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My Twitter dialogue with Charles C. W. Cooke of National Review

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On Saturday, I had the privilege of engaging in a lengthy Twitter discussion with Charles C. W. Cooke, a writer for the nominally conservative National Review online. You can see our discussion on his Twitter feed here.

Two things are striking to me about our dialogue. One is that a website as conservative as National Review claims to be would feature a writer who so aggressively supports the entire homosexual agenda. He considers the views of those of us in the pro-family movement to be “abhorrent.” With friends like these…

Second, he has little or nothing to say in reply to the facts and the research I bring forward. His strategy, when he has no answer, is to change the subject.

The discussion began when I explained to someone else on Twitter that the Republican Party came into being to fight two battles: “to prohibit…those twin relics of barbarism, polygamy and slavery.” Thus the GOP was founded to fight for the protection of one-man, one-woman marriage.

Charles C. W. Cooke

So, by all means find Fischer’s views on homosexuality abhorrent. I do myself. But let’s not accuse him of “lying” when he’s not. (Note: he wrote this in response to the accusation that I was lying when I said the GOP was founded to protect one-man, one-woman marriage.)

Seamus

It appears support of homosexuality has creeped in to the conservative ranks. Misguided, at best. @charlescwcooke @BryanJFischer

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke @SeamusTx The normalization of homosexuality should be opposed on public health grounds alone.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer @SeamusTx Do you hope to ban alcohol?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke @SeamusTx No. Drinking in moderation is not a risk to public health, but drunkenness is, e.g. while driving.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer @SeamusTx Should we outlaw consensual drunkenness in the home?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke @SeamusTx Nope, but we shouldn’t celebrate it either. Leads to domestic abuse and destroyed lives.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke Since health risks are similar, our public policies toward substance abuse and homosexuality should be similar.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer And those should be . . .?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke Let’s consult with the leading experts in helping people overcome substance abuse and learn from them.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer What is your view on the private ownership of firearms?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke Same as the Founders. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer What about the 30,000 people per year who die from suicide (two thirds) and murder (one third)?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke If folks are bent on suicide, they will find a way, guns or no guns. You want to ban the private ownership of rope?

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer Point is, other organizations say there’s no good side to alcohol or firearms. You’re putting your finger on the scale.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke Drinking in moderation is fine. Firearms are for self-protection. But Homosexual behavior is self destructive.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke People protect themselves every day in their homes from lethal assault with a privately-owned gun.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer True. That’s the upside, among others. There’s upsides to drinking too. But you don’t factor any in with homosexuality.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke That’s because there is no “upside” in homosexual behavior, any more than there is in IV drug abuse.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer Except for the liberty and happiness of millions of people.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke But the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association says LGBTers are at elevated risks of anxiety, depression and suicidal ideation.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer I’m tempted to say that your sort don’t help with that. But either way, that’s not an invitation to deny them liberty.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke The same problems exist in Scandinavian countries where homosexual behavior has been celebrated for decades.

Charles C. W. Cooke@charlescwcooke

@BryanJFischer You seem to believe that this is a choice? Is that a fair assessment of your position?

Bryan Fischer@BryanJFischer

@charlescwcooke Sexual behavior, except for victims of rape, is always a matter of choice.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer 88,000 people a year die from excessive alcohol use. 30,000 from firearms abuse. How many from homosexuality?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke You can check with the CDC on that. Men die tragically every day from HIV/AIDS, acquired from having sex with other men.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer How many? You said it was similar to alcohol. What’s the number?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke CDC: “An estimated 13,712 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012,” total since epidemic began: 658,507.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer On its face that’s one-sixth of the alcohol-related deaths. And how many of them contracted it through gay sex?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke What, in your view, is an acceptable number of deaths caused by men having sex with other men? For me, the answer is zero.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer Except in extreme cases, I think that people must be free to make their choices and to face the consequences.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke I agree. But that doesn’t mean we should give society’s highest endorsement to self-destructive behavior.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer I will note for the record that you didn’t answer my question. Also, again, you seem to apply this standard inconsistently.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke My view is entirely consistent. As a matter of public policy, we should not celebrate any behavior that is self-destructive.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer That, of course, is because you disapprove of homosexuality. That’s fine. But playing the externalities game is dishonest.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke I disapprove of homosexuality for the same reasons I oppose intrvenous drug abuse, the 2nd highest risk factor for HIV/AIDS.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer What is “society’s highest endorsement”?

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke Calling marriage based on the “infamous crime against nature” the equivalent of natural marriage.

Charles C. W. Cooke@charlescwcooke

@BryanJFischer I’m tempted to say that your sort don’t help with that. But either way, that’s not an invitation to deny them liberty.

Bryan Fischer@BryanJFischer

@charlescwcooke No one is denying them liberty. The problem is the insistence of the gay lobby that society approve of what they do.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer You keep flitting between society and the state.

Bryan Fischer@BryanJFischer

@charlescwcooke There is no difference when the state demands that all of society approve of homosexuality.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer Okay. We’re going around in circles. As I say, all you’re arguing is that you see no value in one but do in the others.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke And I am saying biology, genetics, social research and the laws of nature and nature’s God should be our guide.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer If this is to be our standard we will end up subjugating our liberty to the latest studies. This is not how America works.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke Our policies should be guided by the laws of nature and nature’s God. Research simply confirms what God has already said.

Charles C. W. Cooke

@BryanJFischer That’s putting your hand on the scales. We’re just going around in circles. I’ll wish you a good Saturday and duck out.

Bryan Fischer

@charlescwcooke And may you have a good Saturday as well!

(Unless otherwise noted, the opinions expressed are the author’s and do not necessarily reflect the views of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.)



 

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