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HRC Agents Now Sending Me Death Threats

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In the few days since the Human Rights Campaign put out its thinly veiled contract on me and other America pro-family activists I have already received two death threats.

I claimed in my response to its report that HRC has targeted me for murder.

I stand by my accusation and believe these death threats (below) are proof of HRC’s intent.

These two men, obviously deranged, have been incited to action. Much of the blame falls to HRC for this criminal speech and any additional action these and other similarly motivated HRC agents may take.

It is necessary to point out that my arguments against the homosexual political movement have always been in the context of public policy debate. To me, the culture war is about a conflict of ideas, not people. I do not minimize the facts about the danger of homosexuality and other sexual perversions to the people who practice them and to society at large. It is a well documented fact that the Nazi Party was rife with homosexuality. It is a fact that large numbers of homosexual men prey on teenage boys for sex. I refuse to recant or censor the truth about these and other issues out of fear. And I refuse to allow my comments to be misrepresented. I have never said that all Nazis were homosexuals, or that all or even most homosexuals molest children. Those are lies.

Importantly, even in the most heated arguments I have always distinguished the humanity of individuals in the LGBT movement from the inhumanity of their political goals. I care for all people who struggle with homosexual sin and want them all to be delivered from their bondage. I love them enough to tell them the truth, even though they hate me for it.

In contrast, the HRC hit list is not about ideas. It does not even acknowledge the public policy debate. It is just raw hatred for individuals who stand in their way of their goals. We have no humanity in their eyes. We are malignant, evil insects that must be squashed.

Take a lesson from HRC’s own agents from their comments below. Then contrast that with the Foreword and Introduction to my textbook, Redeeming the Rainbow, on how Christians should respond to the “gay” agenda. This is the textbook form of my doctoral thesis in theology: what I teach wherever I go around the world.

None of my comments, taken in context, encourage hatred or violence against homosexuals.

But HRC’s comments are clearly designed to incite both against me.

Where are the cultural gatekeepers in our society to call HRC on its dangerous rhetoric and its hypocrisy? They all seem to be in bed together.

Trusting in God alone for my safety as I continue to speak the truth in love, I am

Dr. Scott Lively

Two Death Threats Incited by HRC:

Lloyd Cooper

boogienights@mail.com

Subject: lively scared of death threats

Message: he should be. please let him know we are waiting for a moment when he is alone. then we will take him to the woods, rip out his throat and show him videos from youtube where he has caused misery and suffering to the gay people of the world. then we will put a hungry rat into his throat and film it on youtube. time is coming soon.

Robert Berger

robertbberger@yahoo.com

Undear Scott Lively (I would never use the term “dear “ with someone as despicable & loathsome as you ) : You are more full of sh*t than all the sewers

of the world combined , and they smell positively fragrant next to you . You are nothing but a self-righteous, bigoted piece of sh*t masquerading as a Christian & a human being .

You have been doing everything in your power for years to spread vicious lies & disinformation about gay people for years , and you are nothing but a filthy thug claiming to be a “man of God “. You are not . You are a man of the devil ! You are pure evil, with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

For what you have done in Africa , Russia and elsewhere to demonize, stigmatize , stereotype and scapegoat gay people, you deserve to be sentenced to life imprisonment in prison , where you will ,I hope be homosexually raped on a routine basis, because you are the lowest scum on earth !

I have far more respect for any rat or cockroach than for human vermin like you !

You do nothing but spread vicious lies & mindless hatred ! In fact, it’s an insult to sh*t to call you this, because sh*t is at least useful as fertilizer . But YOU are nothing but a worthless sack of vomit & pus ! Everything you say about homosexuality & gay people is pure BULLSH*T !!!!

I would love to see an angry crowd kick you in the balls until you rupture , then cut your tongue out with a knife & shove it down your throat !

Then I would like to see a gang of gay men f**k you in the ass until the doctors had to remove your asshole surgically and you needed a colostomy bag for the rest of your miserable, worthless life ! Then I would like to have a hose hooked up to your throat and have you force fed tons of shi*t down your throat ! Then, I would like to see you slowly lowered into a vat of acid !

I make no apologies whatsoever for using a lot of profanity with you, because you deserve it !

Too bad there’s no hell for you to go to when your very welcome death comes . But go to hell anyway ! And take other vicious homophobic

bigots like Matt Barber, Matt Staver, Bradlee Dean , Linda Harvey (may a flaming pole be shoved up her stinking c*nt ) Harvey , Joe Farah ,, Jerome Corsi, and other professional bigots with you !!!!

By the way ,I’m not gay myself . I just loathe homophobic bigots like you . F**k you, f**k you again, and f**k you into the ground !!!!.

F**king as*shole ! F**king idiot ! Pr*ck ! F**king liar ! Bigoted sack of vomit ! F**king hypocrite ! Self-righteous horse’s ass !

You are just as evil as Hitler or the KKK, . May you die a slow, agonizing death from some horrible disease with no one & nothing to help you !!!!

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  • thisoldspouse

    These men making threats are demonically possessed, as is the entire sodomy movement.

    • Red Clover

      “sodomy movement” Awesome!

      • thisoldspouse

        More similar to a bowel movement.

        • Red Clover

          …and just as sexy…

    • vorpal

      OOGA BOOGA!

      • making_pie

        △AIDS-case.

      • thisoldspouse

        And there’s another one.

  • Martin Rizley

    Mr. Lively is not exaggerating about the HRC intentionally “targeting for murder” him and other opponents of the LGBT agenda. I looked at the article in question on their website and was appalled by the blatant way they are clearly trying to incite acts of violence against men like Scott Lively. First, they post distorted, weird pictures of these men with their facial features all out of proportion in order to dehumanize them and make them look like monsters. Then, all around their pictures, they have put “x’s” as if to say– these men are our targets, and “x marks the spot.” The posters look exactly like those “Wanted: Dead or Alive” posters associated wih the Wild West. They are clearly encouraging violence against these men.

    I hope Lively and the other men who appear in this article will bring a law suit against HRC for their efforts to incite violent psychos to murder them. This is a total outrage. The men this article targets are doing nothing but defending the values of Western civilization, which for millennia has upheld the Judeo-Christian view of sex– namely, that God created sex to be enjoyed only within the context of marriage, and that He ordained marriage to be the union of a man and a woman exclusively. Any other form of sexual behavior is condemned by God as contrary to His design. That is what the Scripture teaches and it is the view of sexual morality on which our civilization was built. Now, God-hating atheists want to destroy Western civilization, and they expect people to be silent about their nefarious designs and their assault on truth and righteousness. Moreover, since atheists do not believe in God, they think they can incite others to murder their political opponents without being accountable for their actions. The Judge of all the earth will hold them accountable, however; He will show them that they have no right to assault those who are made in His image and who defend His revealed truth.

    • ricky

      Yes, the HRC hit piece purposely uses images of its targeted conservatives to make them look evil and sinister. What HRC has done is absolutely hideous and has no place in a civil society.

      • helligusvart

        These images merely show what a bunch of whack-jobs the folks at HRC are.

    • thisoldspouse

      If you think the images were scary, look at the blog on their homepage were they have a video version of the article. Outrageously sinister music is really cheesy, but gets the point across to the psychos.

  • tomd

    I am unimpressed. Female bloggers get emails like these on a daily basis merely for existing on the Internet. And I also find it hard to believe Lively has never received such emails in the past.

    I would prefer to live in a world where people do not send such emails, which are encouraged by the anonymity and remoteness of the Internet. However, Lively takes advantage of a similar anonymity and remoteness in this very article – he is able to disavow any responsibility for specific laws or crimes because he is merely speaking, or writing, or “telling the truth”. When other people take his ideas and use them to do evil things, he can then pretend to be horrified at the result.

    • thisoldspouse

      And there you go again with the deflection, “look! Over there! Someone else doing it!”

      Please try to focus on the subject at hand. Do you or do you not condemn in the harshes terms the threats made against Scott Lively?

      • Truth Offends

        He does not condemn the threats.
        He is “unimpressed,” and would only “prefer to live in a world where people do not send such emails.”
        No problem at all with the evil hatred behind the threats, just that the threats were sent via email.

      • tomd

        I do. I don’t understand the motivation of people who make such threats. And Lively should follow up on them.

        And I trust you will condemn similar emails sent to people like Mikey Weinstein for his work on religion and the military. Or any number of gay bloggers who also receive such threats.

    • Ken Faivor

      “which are encouraged by the anonymity and remoteness of the Internet”

      ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

      I do agree with that. Alot of Internet users don’t want anyone seeing their faces, but everything else is okay

    • ricky

      There is no proof he caused anyone to suffer. There are multitudes of proof that people who stand up for marriage and life are constantly the targets of hate, vulgarity, and physical threats. The mayor of Fresno received death threats just for exercising his civil right to vote for marriage. Many, many people in California and elsewhere were attacked and harassed for supporting Prop 8. Free speech in America is on a death watch, courtesy of the radical, extreme Left.

    • Michex

      Lively is a good man whom the homosexuals have vilified because he has exposed their agenda. Homosexuals wish to kill the truth.

    • getstryker

      Well, well . . . I see from the general reaction to your comments that you’ve ‘stepped in it’ again. Hahaha . . . Lively ‘disavows responsibility’ . . . for what? Where are the specific laws or crimes he incites by merely ‘speaking the truth’ . . . Show us one example of anyone that has taken his ‘ideas’ and ‘done evil things’ . . . I’ll bet Dr. Lively can show plenty of ‘evil things’ done by the other side of this argument . . . “Tolerance/don’t bully, blah, blah, blah . . . the mantra of the LBGT community and yet a man speaks ‘truth’ which confronts their agenda and he is shown no tolerance, he is bullied and his life is threatened?? And yet . . . you are unimpressed . . . whew!

      • tomd

        When was the last time you addressed the full parliament of a foreign country for five hours on any topic?

        • thisoldspouse

          Like sodomy advocate Hillary Clinton, SECRETARY OF STATE?!

  • Stacy Lynn Harp

    This is the dark underbelly so much of the homosexual affirming church doesn’t want you to see. Thanks for being a light in the darkness.

    • Nick Ocean

      Just read the transcript of your call to Joe Brummer, Stacy.
      My what an un-Christian potty mouth you have!
      Google search: “So Stacy Harp thinks I am lying”
      Soap please, nurse!

      • Stacy Lynn Harp

        Oh yeah, Nick. That’s nothing compared to what I expose on my daily radio show Bible News Radio. If you consider me telling it how it is, and describing Joe Brummer as a man who sticks his penis in a man’s anus, so be it. That is potty mouth behavior and sickening, indecent, vile, unnatural, filthy… and so on. You’ll love my show! :)

        • thisoldspouse

          They do these things IN PUBLIC and call it “pride.”

          Go figure.

        • Rob T

          Do you really believe that homosexuality is all about sex and that two gay men cannot love one another?

          • Stacy Lynn Harp

            Rob, I believe that the sex is a major part of it for male homosexuals and I also believe it’s because the maie homosexual is looking for completion for their masculinity, due to either abuse that took place in their lives, some form of attachment disruption, possibly an addiction to pornography and in some case development disruption that has to do with bonding too much with females. Obviously there are a lot of answers to your question. However, within the LGBT activist pride movement, sexuality is always focused around the sexual behavior. You see this on homosexual blogs with their ads, you see it in the pride parades with all their nudity and defiant behavior and you see it in the media the LGBT community creates.

          • Rob T

            Please answer the question I actually asked: Do you think two gay men can love one another?

          • making_pie

            Shutup AIDS-case.

          • Stacy Lynn Harp

            I think homosexual men believe they love another another, but I think it’s more lust than what I would call love, and I did answer your question before. :)

          • Rob T

            How sad that you believe something so wrong and dehumanizing — sadder still that you’ve devoted so much time and energy toward it. The fact is, I’ve been with my fiance Will for six and a half years (and many of my gay coupled friends have been together longer). Lust without love burns out quickly and cannot explain the undeniable fact of our relationships.

            If I were motivated by lust I imagine I would be playing the field, not marrying my partner. But I’m not going to get into an extended debate with you on this. I am marrying him on Saturday and I’ve decided this is a good week not to indulge prejudice and ignorance, so I’ll stop posting on Barbwire for a bit as of this morning.

          • Stacy Lynn Harp

            I don’t see how my comments are dehumanizing. I do see how committing the act of sodomy with your male friend is acting like a dog. That’s rather dehumanizing, if you think about it.

          • thisoldspouse

            I cannot imagine, and this has been confirmed in several studies, that you or you homosexual couple friends are remotely similar to normal romantic man/woman couples in that male homosexuals are almost 100% unfaithful in the true meaning of the word as time passes. I know you will deny this fact, but the dirty little secret is well known. If you or your partner are faithful – meaning NO sexual relationships of any kind outside of your relationship, whether “approved” or not – then you are, indeed a strange anomaly, and definitely not representative of homosexual culture. In fact, the homosexual culture (yes, it is indeed a CULTURE if call it a “community”) sees you as quite a freak if you limit yourself to one person to the exclusion of all other possibilities. They’re probably talking about you behind your back as such.

            In doing research, I read an article in a homosexual-oriented medical periodical about “safe” sex and committed male couple relationships. The recommendation was unequivocally adamant that male couple should ALWAYS use a condom, including “monogamous” couples. See, even the homosexual community admits that promiscuity is the standard rule.

          • Sam

            I think that gays have a self control problem. I see that San Francisco has a public nudity problem now because they have been so lax on the perversions that go on there. Imagine nude people walking around in public? It’s sickening. This is what happens when immorality is tolerated or help up as “normal”. The Pandora’s Box is opened.

          • Red Clover

            Amen Sister!

          • making_pie

            Shutup phagg0t.

          • thisoldspouse

            Can we criminalize homosexual sodomy then while allowing gay men to love each other?

            That answer will expose your red herring.

          • Rob T

            Your question exposes nothing. You can criminalize sex while allowing people to love each other whether they’re a gay or straight, a same-sex couple or one that is opposite sex.

            So instead of showing that homosexuality is “all about sex” in a way that heterosexuality is not, you’ve come up with a question that actually shows a commonality between the two orientations.

            You must hate when that happens.

            But I’m not going to get into an extended debate with you on this. I’m marrying my fiance Will on Saturday and I’ve decided this is a good week not to indulge prejudice and ignorance, so I’ll stop posting for a bit as of this morning.

          • thisoldspouse

            You admit more than you realize, and I guess we should be thankful for your blindness for the exposure of your world view that it affords. You try to admit that love and sex are separate, but the subject that you won’t admit is that this is about erotic love, which must have limits that other forms of love do not have to submit to.

            Your fallacious argument, and one that a whole slew of wantonly blind courts have bought, is that marriage is ONLY about love. That’s why you get tongue tied when we ask how this shouldn’t also apply to blood relatives, multiple marriage partners or even non-human marriage partners. Love may be implied in marriage, but is not even remotely a legal requirement for marriage. Nowhere on a marriage license application are the applicants asked or required that they love each other. And since we are talking about a LEGAL process, as you always like to point out, the language used is the essence of the issue. If love were anywhere relevant in marriage, be sure that it would be marked in bold and signed in blood on a contract of such import.

            Since love can legally be dispensed of, what else do we have to consider in defining marriage? Current familial relationship, regardless of the risk of harm to resulting offspring, is most certainly one. Another is the number of partners and their current marital status. Since there are only two sexes, that is a huge indicator of how many should be involved, and the gender of the two parties.

            Again, love is irrelevant. I know that sounds cold, but it is the most compassionate thing to consider.

          • RCQ_92130

            What a terrific comment and response.

            You might save it for later .. i.e., for an individual whose mind is not sealed shut in perpetuity,.

          • thisoldspouse

            I’m sure Rob T is busy putting on his wedding gown and primping for the big farcical event, so he’ll have to catch the reply after he’s tried “consummating” his “union” after waiting for so long as the pristine virgin that he is (yuc yuc!)

            I wonder who carries whom over the threshold?

        • vorpal

          And heterosexuality is all about a man who jams his penis in a woman’s vagina… and her mouth… and in some cases, her anus.

          Get over yourself.

          • Stacy Lynn Harp

            Nothing to get over here. Heterosexual behavior is the natural function of the human body when a man and woman come together. However, no one is denying that some heterosexuals engage in behavior that is not natural. All homosexuals engage in behavior that is not natural, and that is the difference.

          • thisoldspouse

            The only proxy for heterosexual sex available to homosexuals is an unnatural act. That should be obvious to anyone, but it seemingly flies right over the heads of the morally blinded ones.

          • localhistorywriter

            Missionary position only, right?

          • Sam

            That doesn’t make it right for same sex to do it. Get over your perversions.

          • making_pie

            Shutup pervert.

      • making_pie

        Shutup phaggot.

  • RCQ_92130

    Yep.

    Homosexuals are simply people like everyone else just seeking a life of peace and equality. No hatred at all in them. It’s all everyone else’s fault.

    Now: for the sake of “tomd”, “rob t”, “mic t” …. and whatever other screen names the GayGestapo troll(s) are using here ….

    THAT WAS SARCASM. HOMOSEXUALS ARE THE MOST HATE FILLED PEOPLE ON THE PLANET. HOMOSEXUALS ARE THE MOST VIOLENCE-PRONE, BIGOTED BULLIES OF OUR AGE. THE EVIL THAT HAS OVERCOME HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVISTS IS AS CLEARLY DEMONIC AS ANYTHING WE HAVE EVER WITNESSED.

    • EngineerM

      Read as:

      I LIKE GENERALIZATIONS AND CLAIMS I CANNOT SUBSTANTIATE. I ALSO AM VERY BIASED AND HAVE NEVER KNOWN A GAY PERSON.

      • RCQ_92130

        OOPS! I am so very sorry!

        Clearly, the use of generalizations, unsubstantiated claims, distortions and liues are the sole prerogative of the evil that is GayGestapo. How DARE I think I can use these same tactics?? Why, HRC should take out a contract on my life also!

        Sieg Heil GayGestapo!

        • jimcastro65

          cant you smell the desperation now??? when no other argument exists, just bring up nazis(face palm)

      • ricky

        We have only heard from Mr. Lively. How many of the other conservatives targeted by HRC have also received death threats? HRC is a repulsive, reprehensible organization deserving of much shame.

        • thisoldspouse

          Matt Barber gets death threats constantly, to the glee of many leftist poster here, no doubt.

          Check out his premier articles on this site when you get a chance. matt has posted some of these cute little nuggets of love as examples.

    • Michex

      Indeed, they are hate-filled and inclined to violence.
      Lively is a brave man who has exposed the homosexual movement in his writings.

    • jimcastro65

      you should do stand up….really

    • jimcastro65

      so dramatic

    • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

      Tone it down, RCQ. Make your points civilly, without the personal putdowns. You’re frequently insulting and over the top, and if it continues I will blacklist you. By the way, all caps is a nono.

  • EngineerM

    I will say, as a lesbian, that these death threats are in every way condemnable. I also believe wishing death on someone (while not threatening the person themselves) only serves to promote ill will where discourse and understanding are needed.
    However, I do believe Scott should learn from this. His actions in other countries have exacerbated previous tensions and hostility against gay people. He may not know, or wish, that his words will cause harm to gay people, but they do.
    May love prevail in the world.

    • thisoldspouse

      There’s always a “however,” even in the face of death threats, isn’t there?

      • EngineerM

        In this case? Yes.

        • thisoldspouse

          So, we can make death threats to provide a “learning” experience?

          Are you, or have you ever, been in the Mafia?

          • EngineerM

            When did I ever say that they were okay to make? Maybe I should have posted twice. Once to say that they are not okay, and once to say that Mr. Lively needs to think about the implications of his words.

          • thisoldspouse

            Scott Lively’s words are irrelevant to the making of death threats. He can be taken completely OUT of the equation here. Death threats are wrong, except in direct, immediate defense of one’s life. These cowardly domestic terrorists posted their “brave” little threats from the comfort of their parents’ basement most likely, probably from another state.

            Don’t even try to deflect even a micron of blame from domestic terrorists.

    • RCQ_92130

      Translated into normal-speak:

      “I don’t really support murdering the opposition, but it’s Lively’s fault for not submitting … and, {damn him to Hell!}, for OPENLY OPPOSING US!”

      • thisoldspouse

        That’s about as harsh as they’ll get. A “tsk tsk” should do the trick.

      • jimcastro65

        LOL! sheer desperation folks…..

        • RCQ_92130

          Yeah.

          Oh, and don’t forget the original one: “You must have latent homosexual tendencies and be a closeted gay person.”

          Gay gene = mental retardation.

  • ricky

    These messages display the depravity and the levels of self-loathing and despair that these poor souls have descended to. They are in deep need of prayer from the Body of Christ, that He would free the captives of the evil one.

  • gespin3549

    The two of them are quite silly.

    • Truth Offends

      How very sad that you would characterize death threats as “silly.”

      • gespin3549

        Get over it Truth Offends. These two are extremely silly and if you cannot see that, well, …it’s just soooo sad that you cannot. Writing anything else other than what I wrote would be giving the two buffoons importance and that is the last thing which should be done. They are silly and dismissing them hurts their overinflated egos more than taking them seriously.

        • Truth Offends

          I take death threats seriously.
          If you think these threats against Lively are simply a matter of “over-inflated egos” and cannot see that they are inspired by the spirit of the god of this world (a liar and a murderer), then you must be blind.

          • thisoldspouse

            John Wayne Gaycy was “silly,” then, I suppose. He WAS a clown.

          • gespin3549

            Oh, I do see it for what it is. But it is still quite silly as is the father of this world. A very silly entity indeed!

  • psychic

    This is awful. What a bunch of low-lifes.

    • thisoldspouse

      Just to verify your ambiguous statement, you were talking about the two who sent threatening emails to Scott, correct?

      • psychic

        Of course. I may not agree with what he says, but sending idiotic profanity-laced death threats is not the way to go about anything.

  • Michex

    The homosexuals who post here usually seem to be unaware that there is a homosexual agenda that goes far beyond “equal rights”.
    The agenda involves children, such as brainwashing them in school.
    If you want to see how perverted the homosexual agenda is, go look on the Web at photos and videos of homosexual “pride” marches.
    It’s sickening stuff and illustrative of the “gay movement”.

    • Dawn1257

      Sounds like you watch those videos and look at those pictures often. Should we suspect something hidden in your little closet there Michex?

      • Michex

        My “closet” contains a knowledge of the homosexual agenda and how it targets not just society as a whole but children.

        • gespin3549

          Michex ignore her. She is only a silly libturd. Not as silly as the two terrorists but silly nonetheless.

          • thisoldspouse

            He.

          • Dawn1257

            She. He had it right. And, you’re wrong.

          • thisoldspouse

            Were you born with a penis or a vagina?

          • Progressive Patriot

            Relevance ?

          • thisoldspouse

            LOL!!!!!!

          • Dawn1257

            I was born with……. ahhh, no wait, trick question right? Hahaha you sly dog!

            Would you stop being so interested in my genitals? You’re never gettin’ close to them anyway.

          • thisoldspouse

            The truth makes you break out in hives, doesn’t it?

          • Dawn1257

            No but, flies like you make me swat.

    • Tribune

      Michex, that is true. I bet most homosexuals are not aware of the 1972 gay Rights Platform, which list goals to accomplished. Two stands out that has not been checked off: the elimination of age of consent and the legalization of all forms of prostitution, nation wide. And they called us sick for disagreeing with it

  • Dawn1257

    It’s unfortunate. You stick your nose into the public arena of anonymity and you are likely to be attacked viciously by people who hail “bravery” and institute fear from behind the weapon of a computer screen. It’s despicable.

    Having said that. What do you think makes you so special Scott Lively? My gawd! I’ve been threatened with death (many times) threats too! Not from this web site, but others just as right wing tilted. Do I worry over it to the point that I want to make a grand extravaganza about it? No. Do I hyperventilate with a sound of foreboding trying to “rally” my troops to take up my ’cause’, because “I may not get there with ya” type intonation? No.

    Simply ignore these morons or notify your local authorities if you perceive the threat to be sufficient that action is necessary. Otherwise, it just sounds like you’re crying about a ‘falling sky’.

    • thisoldspouse

      The vast difference, Dawn, is that you have probably not been depicted as in a WANTED poster as a monster who eats babies, leads a muderous inquisition, and pushes wheelchair-bound grannies down steep hills prompting sociopaths to take action.

      • Truth Offends

        People also don’t know Dawn’s real name, or place of employment.

        • thisoldspouse

          Or true sex… Wait….

        • thisoldspouse

          Yes, the “knowThyNeighbor” folks have the public intimidation racket down pat, don’t they?

        • Dawn1257

          It’s Dawn and no you’ll not know my employment. Why should it matter anyway?

        • jimcastro65

          or yours for that matter.

      • Progressive Patriot

        Realistically, neither Lively, nor yourself, nor ANY of the posters on here would give one whit if a member of the LGBT community were injured, killed, or made to suffer by a member of your community. The rallying to their defense of “religious liberty” would be evident in microseconds.

        The HRC does not wish Mr Lively’s death. Never has. Crazy people exist and we all know it. The faux petulance is hardly impressive.

        • thisoldspouse

          What “community” am I in?

          These are completely made-up terms. Well, I guess I’m in the “anchovy-lover community.” Man, have WE been disrespected! I can’t find anyone to share a pizza with these delicious treats on them, if I can even find a pizza place who carries them anymore.

          Talk about discrimination!

          • Progressive Patriot

            (laughing) Big anchovy lover myself. Who knew we could have so much in common ? LOL.

          • thisoldspouse

            Maybe we can add ourselves to the “hate crime” and ENDA list of oppressed groups.

        • roccolore

          Gay fascists like you still think Floyd Corkins is a victim.

      • Dawn1257

        Does the level of hate matter? Is it that Scott Lively having a higher public profile meaning that his life would be worth MORE than my own?

        Not sure if idiots have used my image in effigy or not. Truly I don’t believe that matters. Most of these threats are meaningless and harmless empty threats. Still, if you believe them to be meaningful and real, consult with the authorities to aid in apprehension and prosecution. But, what Lively is doing is sending out a bunch of pointless rhetoric in an attempt to make himself a potential martyr in the eyes of his ‘believers’.

        Yet, what concerns me more? That you would equate anyone who’s been threatened with the loss of their life as lesser in meaningfulness and value than that of any other person. That is disturbing.

        • thisoldspouse

          “Is it that Scott Lively having a higher public profile meaning that his life would be worth MORE than my own?”

          Oh, how deliciously ironic in your hypocritical statement, seeing that “hate crime” laws favoring homosexuals do exactly this.

          • Dawn1257

            Hate crime laws do NOT favor LGBT alone. They favor and work FOR ANYONE who is violated for who they are, and what they believe in based upon directed hatred for that belief or existence.

          • thisoldspouse

            What an asinine statement! Hate crime laws most certainly DO favor certain groups with alleged nebulous characteristics. If that were not the case, then the constant push for adding ever more groups to the list would be silly – everyone is already covered.

            Everyone is “who they are.” what does that even mean? A victim of a crime is a victim because of “who they are,” someone with something someone wants, an easy target, etc.

          • Dawn1257

            Effectively, Scott Lively is looking for a hate crime here because of WHO he is and what he believes. And based upon interaction from others who are HATING his positions and him – personally.

            Were there enough evidence – credible – Federal and/or State(if his State has them instituted) would and could be leveled against the perpetrators.

            That there are legal protections of various orders that might be employed, having a hate crime enhancement is beneficial to the victim. Just as there are varying degrees in assault, robbery or murder, it’s the ‘enhancements’ to the crime once a conviction is achieved that make for a more representative sentence.

          • thisoldspouse

            If all crimes can be construed as a “hate crime,” based upon who someone is, whatever that means, then the classification is meaningless. It’s all just crime, based on the elements of the offense, which are objectively determined. And, as I already stated, a victim being a victim “because of who they are,” is absolutely subjective. Anyone can make that claim.

          • Dawn1257

            As an example, have you ever heard of murder charges like say ‘1st degree with special enhancements’? It’s MORE than just 1st degree murder. The enhancements brings different scrutiny when it comes time for sentencing.

            I think I’ve explained it enough already.

          • thisoldspouse

            The “enhancements” are already included in law, that’s why there is a RANGE of penalties specified in a sentence. And these considerations are not predetermined, but based on a case-by-case basis, which can vary by extreme degrees of culpability. A man who steals a loaf of bread because he needs to feed a hungry family will obviously not receive as harsh a sentence as a willful kleptomaniac who does it for kicks.

            But these were good enough for the professional victims.

          • Dawn1257

            Thank you. You just made the case for why there is a need for hate crime laws. Not all of these crimes have ALWAYS had the enhancements. They’ve developed over time to eventually be included.

            You like the concept of deterrence, right? You believe capital murder should carry the death penalty, right? Why?

            The perception of deterrence.

            Having the penalty of a death sentence is not at all necessary, but , it does mete out a perceived level of justice for the victim and for society too. That being some measure of a deterring effect. Well, the same holds true for hate crimes. Sometimes just ordinary everyday assault or murder charges simply aren’t enough to satisfy the level of the crime. Hate crime enhancements are more or less seen as carrying a deterring effect directed at others to take notice and not commit said crimes based upon actions from prejudice.

          • trueWorldview

            So-called hate crime laws act essentially as liberal thought police officers.

            Think a certain way that is not politically correct, then you are guilty of a crime.

            If you are such an advocate of hate crime laws then you should rise up to push for the apprehension of the two homosexual-rights activist who are pouring hate on Scott Lively.

          • getstryker

            Man . . . is the sky blue on the planet you come from??
            Go tell any ‘middle-class white man’ in American today that :hate crime laws work for anyone who is violated’ and see if any of them agree with that statement. I read about black on white crime (eg: knock-out game) and I don’t see Al or Jesse or DOJ Holder running to their side with offers of help and justice. Seems ‘hate crimes’ only occur if your Black, Brown or Gay

          • Dawn1257

            Yup! Just asked my neighbor in the building next door. He said he feels comfortable that his “white privilege” is secure by having hate crime laws in place. No threat to him whatsoever.

          • getstryker

            Well, Zippa-dee-do-dah . . . that settles it for sure

          • Dawn1257

            Well, you said to ask “any” white man. I simply heeded your request.

            As far as I’m concerned, yes, it’s settled.

          • roccolore

            Please. Where were the hate crime charges over the murders of Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising?

          • Rob T

            That crime, as heinous as it was, didn’t fall into the category of hate crime because it wasn’t motivated by hatred of the child’s race, religion, etc. That doesn’t make it any less horrifying; it just means it wasn’t a bias crime.

          • thisoldspouse

            They were motivated by hatred from the people committing them. Otherwise they would have been innocent accidents.

            Is the object of the hatred then relevant somehow? Does that mean that all hate is not equal, based on the claims of the victim?

            Unequal protection if ever there was any.

          • Rob T

            Yes, “hate crimes” is an unfortunate term. “Bias crime” is clearer and better. Meanwhile, I don’t know what you mean by “unequal” protection. Who was being treated unequally when, for example, sexual orientation was added to federal hate crime laws.

          • getstryker

            Yeah . . . you tell ’em 😉

      • localhistorywriter

        You mean the way Operation Rescue depicted Dr. Tiller?

    • getstryker

      WOW – you’re our hero . . . facing death and disfigurement with all the bravado of a ‘braying @ss.’ Excuse me . . . are you so ‘obtuse’ that you don’t see that the threats and nastiness towards Dr. Lively attempts to incite someone to commit a serious crime against him for merely speaking his mind? Where are the stalwart guardians of the law to protect Dr. Lively’ right to speak out? . . . where are those who would arrest and incarcerate anyone who has communicated a threat or takes any evil actions against one who opposes the agenda and goals of the homosexual community? Why is there no outrage, no law enforcement investigations and calls for calm and civility among the leadership of the LGBT. Martin Rizley’s previous comment shows that there is a website conspiracy to harm, incitement to act and actual threats have been made and yet there is NO apparent action against the instigators . . . and the best you can come up with is some BS about ‘falling sky’ . . . pathetic – do we assume you will cheer if or when they kill him?

      • Dawn1257

        Perhaps you should first direct your questioning to Mr. Lively for an answer as to whether or not he has forwarded his concerns to Law Enforcement? It would appear to me that he has not only an obligation to do so, but, also a duty to report them in order to protect his family if he in fact believes these threats to be credible.

        And, again, As I said in my opening paragraph, making these type of threats is “despicable”. Never have I condoned such and never will I.

        The rest of your post is just hyperbolic drivel that deserves no response beyond this.

      • thisoldspouse

        FreeKate.

        That’s the Sexual reprobate’s response to the prosecution of criminals.

  • Progressive Patriot

    Guess that monthly donation to HRC is definitely doing some good.

    • Truth Offends

      To you, “Progressive Patriot,” death threats are “good.”

      • Progressive Patriot

        No, of course not. They are deplorable and heinous and any reasonable person rejects them.

        HRC is a GREAT organization and the work they do is critically important for the future of the country. Marriage equality and protections for the LGBT community are essential. That is their mission, not endorsing death threats by some loser lunatic.

        • Truth Offends

          In the comments section to a column in which Scott Lively exposes how he is receiving death threats, in a stand alone comment, you wrote:

          “Guess that monthly donation to HRC is definitely doing some good.” ~Progressive Patriot

          No. Your comment reveals the truth. You DO think death threats against Lively are “good.”

          • thisoldspouse

            I wouldn’t be surprised is PP really is Lloyd Cooper or Robert Berger, the gay terrorists.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Someone should call Sister Mary Nunchakus about that frightful display of poor grammar. But, oh yeah, someone from an “idolatrous cult” might just be a bit off-putting.

          • Progressive Patriot

            I stand by that statement. HRC did not send him death threats. Some disturbed persons did. HRC does not condone violence any more than any other organization does.

            HRC is exposing Mr Lively’s heinous actions in Uganda and other nations which directly impact the lives of LGBT citizens in that country. Again, when one of them is killed, Mr Lively will not shed a tear, nor will he care. He will likely have a party to celebrate.

          • trueWorldview

            HRC does not officially condone violence. HRC officially disclaims any responsibility of the disturbed persons.

            But on the side, HRC…

            Wink, wink, nod, nod…

          • vorpal

            Yes, just like Scott Lively did not condone the death penalty for gay people in Uganda. Wink, wink, nod, nod…

          • trueWorldview

            Apparently you have not read Scott Lively’s prologue. Lively is a man of truth and compassion.

            Disagree with on his views but he is a person of moral character.

            Unlike HRC, which seeks to bully anyone that disagrees with them.

            HRC would use an illegally obtained NOM donor list for widespread distribution, for the purposes of intimidating such donors into silence!

            All with the help of an IRS employee, no less!

            HRC has been proven to use unethical means to support their end goals.

            When immorality is promoted, ethics abuse and bullying is small potatoes.

          • vorpal

            Scott Lively has the moral character of a demon-possessed cockroach. Of course, again in your complete backwards mind, you view what the HRC does as “bullying” and what Lively does (e.g. mischaracterizing Nazis as violent ubermasculine gay men) as “moral character.”

            The irony is utterly fattening.

          • trueWorldview

            What irony! You have it completely backwards!

            You have not been the victim of HRC’s bullying and intimidation tactics.

            And you have grossly mischaracterized Lively’s views. Intentionally or unintentionally, I do not know.

            But it is time for you to step out of the echo chamber so that you do not merely repeat the HRC talking points.

          • making_pie

            Shutup Fahggot.

          • helligusvart

            “Fattening?” Is that a typo, or just an expression I’ve never heard before?

          • vorpal

            It’s a real word: it simply means either to make something fat / gain weight when used as a verb (to fatten), or something that makes one fat (when used as an adjective).

            Examples:
            Verb: The farmer was fattening up his cattle for slaughter.
            Adj: Fattening ice cream, being rich with cream, is usually the most delicious.

          • helligusvart

            I know it’s a real word, but “the irony is utterly fattening?” I’ve never heard that before.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            You know that that’s a gross misrepresentation of Lively’s position. Kindly warning, Vorpal — you’re welcome to rebut or comment on the substance of an article, but if you continue to repeat falsehoods or drag in irrelevant information in order to discredit our writers, I will blacklist you.

          • making_pie

            Shutup AIDS-maker.

          • helligusvart

            C’mon, pal, you don’t really think Mr. Lively would celebrate someone’s death, do you? Get real.

          • vorpal

            I find it entertaining that when the HRC’s publications elicit some nut jobs to make death threats, it’s the HRC’s fault.

            And yet when Scott Lively goes to Uganda and preaches viciously against homosexuality, and then the country considers the death penalty for homosexuality, it’s clearly NOT his fault.

            Oh, the double standards: how they do pile up and up and up.

          • making_pie

            Shutup fffffaggot.

          • Truth Offends

            Please provide a link to something that would show exactly what Lively preached that, according to you, was “vicious.”

            Also, please provide a link to something that would show that it was Lively’s preaching that directly led to Uganda considering the death penalty. (It is my understanding that Lively objected to the death penalty.)

            But, if you cannot provide links to Lively’s “preaching,” or to a credible source (e.g. Ugandan government official) saying his preaching led the gov’t considering the death penalty, then please do not respond. I’m only interested in truth, not propaganda.

        • trueWorldview

          HRC is a group that promotes immorality in our nation.

          The furthering of immorality is NEVER good for a society or country. In fact, it is morally destructive!

          • Progressive Patriot

            Well, we can agree to disagree on this one. HRC has been on the ground fighting for marriage equality all across the nation.

            In fact, right now they are working on a strategy to effect change in Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas. In many cases, partnering with local faith organizations and multiplying efforts to reach communities.

            Same-sex marriage is a reality in many states and will continue moving forward. Demographics is destiny.

          • trueWorldview

            “Demographics is destiny.”

            I agree with the above statement.

            The pro-homosexual movement will demographically die out since they cannot reproduce children.

            By contrast, the pro-traditional marriage movement birth rate is much greater.

            Home schooling families have been known to have 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 or even more children. All taught with a biblical worldview of marriage.

          • Progressive Patriot

            (laughing) Might want to check reality again, instead of talking points. Remember, the pro-LGBT community is not just composed of members themselves, but friends, allies, and acquaintances who all support equal rights.

            Also, with the increase in gay adoptions nationwide, there is a new generation of children being raised by loving same-sex couples. Those children might be straight, go on to get married, and so on. Why would future generations support rolling back rights to discriminate against grandpa and his husband ? That is just mean-spirited and WRONG.

            Oh, and the Hams of Arizona have adopted 12 children. A dozen future voters raised by two loving fathers.

            Thankfully, demographics IS destiny. LOL.

          • trueWorldview

            Gotta get your facts straight.

            You could not adopt children fast enough.

            One more thing, immorality never passes by without spiritual consequences.

            The spiritual principles of sowing and reaping apply to all humans.

            One will eventually reap what one sows.

            So go ahead, laugh, live carefree, and mock the moral principles of our a Creator.

            Our Creator is a God of love AND holiness.

          • Progressive Patriot

            (laughing) You got it !

          • trueWorldview

            Easy to laugh in the comfortable surroundings when life is good.

            When life is in the crisis mode, as for all of us inevitably, one might be laughing a different tune.

            At that time, one will be crying out to our Creator, when our lives are beyond our control. When our days are numbered.

            And we look back, with regret…

          • Progressive Patriot

            Nope. Not likely. But, makes for a good fictional narrative. Keep up the good work. 😉

          • trueWorldview

            “It is appointed for a man to die once, and afterwards comes judgment.”
            –The Bible

            You can ignore it if you wish, my friend. It is entirely your choice!

            Take a gamble, if you like. It is entirely your eternal destiny! Not anybody else’s but yours.

            After one dies, then it is too late!

            Choose wisely!

            Peace.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Blah, blah, Pascal’s Wager, blah, blah. Was there a point ?

          • trueWorldview

            Thank you, my friend, for acknowledging that my point has been received.

          • Progressive Patriot

            You are quite welcome.

          • JPT

            I’ve seen Death’s stare twice now, and that’s not been the case for me, at all.

          • trueWorldview

            Again, so confident that twice an experience guarantees a similar third response.

            Besides, being on this side of death does not mean we have experienced any personal knowledge of the OTHER side of death.

          • Dawn1257

            I was beaten at the hands of six men. In the hospital for three days. Lost enough blood that I nearly needed a transfusion. They seriously thought they were going to lose me.

            Though all of that and facing death, I never once reached out for nor cried out for our “creator” to help me, or save me. I’m still here simply because of my determination to live

          • trueWorldview

            Congratulations that you were able to successfully pull through the savage beatings. Your determination to live is admirable!

            Having said that, it is still within the realm of possibility that God allowed you to live, by His Grace and in His sovereign plan.

            It is easy to think that it is all “you.”

            Perhaps, the truthful reality might be that it is all “God.”

            Just because you did not perceive it, acknowledge it, or perhaps even deny and repress it, does not necessarily invalidate such a possible reality.

          • Dawn1257

            And just as “perhaps” God had NOTHING to do with it. I feel no special relationship with a God as portrayed by most “Christians” – especially of the variety who visit hear.

            I’m perfectly comfortable that when I do finally pass from this existence, I’ll have my opportunity to make my case and that it will NOT involve me having to heel at the alter of an omnipresent “God”.

          • RCQ_92130

            Missing in your understanding is this simple fact:

            God is perfect. We are not. Even the most noble of us are like dirty rags to God.

            The important conclusion – that you completely do not grasp – is that there is nothing – not a thing – we can do that will “impress” God and make Him think we are cool and deserving of anything but conviction.

            Salvation isn’t about what you have done. It’s a free gift – one you reject.

            Good luck with that.

          • Dawn1257

            What I reject is your opinion and version of reality. I substitute it with my own, as was once quoted by someone I don’t know.

          • RCQ_92130

            Yes, of course.

            I could simply repeat what I said, but you are deaf to reality and cannot hear. Not my problem.

          • trueWorldview

            Again, it is your eternal destiny, not mine.

            Believe and choose what you want.

            Be as comfortable as the frog sitting in a simmering pot of water gradually getting hotter.

            Just sounding the alarm. It is your decision to jump out or continue sitting there.

            Peace.

          • Ken Faivor

            I have noticed the variety you speak of, I’m so sorry.

          • JPT

            being on this side of death does not mean we have experienced any personal knowledge of the OTHER side of death.

            …or any personal knowledge of a deity.

            Again, so confident that twice an experience guarantees a similar third response.

            After seeing only a handful of your interactive stylings, I’m fairly confident that contemplating mortality would be far more pleasant and edifying than being in the same room as you.

          • trueWorldview

            Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

            Who knows? I might be someone that you already know.

            God works in mysterious ways…

          • Michex

            If their children see dad put his penis up dad’s anus, what will they think is the purpose of that, and where does that act lead?

          • Progressive Patriot

            Bizarre comment. Try to keep the voyeuristic fantasies in check there. Ha ha ha.

            Clearly, just as in straight families, personal activities between married parents are not for public consumption. Nice try, though. Weird, but understandable considering the source.

          • Michex

            Is there a point to anal sex? Procreation?

          • Rob T

            Do you only have sex when you’re trying to procreate? And when you’re having sex, is procreation the only benefit you can imagine? If so, I feel sorry for your partner.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Could ask all the opposite sex couples that engage in the practice as well as male-male same-sex couples. In fact, as part of the abstinence message put forward by the religionists to preserve sexual “purity” anal and fellatio are the two approved substitutes suggested to young men and women.

            Remember, intercourse is not just for procreation. It is when two adults love each other and … 😉

          • Greg

            So what you are saying is that the push for more and more immorality, corruption, and the ultimate destruction of this once great country, is inevitable?

          • Progressive Patriot

            More precisely, the LGBT community will not, WILL NOT, under any circumstances be relegated any more to second class citizen status and be treated with disfavor under the law. Discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity will no longer be tolerated.

            Patriotic, tax-paying citizens who are upstanding members of the nation will no longer have their lives ruined and turned upside down by theocratic jackboots who trample rights with their thuggery. Pluralism is the hallmark of our diversity and strength and this genie cannot be put back into the bottle.

          • thisoldspouse

            Too bad your “pluralism” doesn’t respect a Christian world view.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Well, it actually does. What pluralism does NOT support is one particular variant of Christianity over all others and to the EXCLUSION of all others.

            Your side wants a buffet where there is only ONE choice in each of the chafing dishes. Pluralism states that there can be multiple choices and the individual is free to choose. It is that freedom to choose, the fact that it is NOT restricted to comport with your view of religion that is so galling to you and your ilk.

            Shockingly, you will have to share this country with unbelievers, idolatrous cultists, apostate Christians, and a HOST of others who could not disagree more with your side’s viewpoint of the LGBT community and civil rights. Guess a civics class is in order. LOL.

          • trueWorldview

            In your echo chamber, religious liberties are respected.

            But those with a heart for religious liberties would respectfully disagree.

            We experience the discrimination and repression of our religious freedoms that you know nothing about.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Would that be the “horror” of actually having to see a round blue sticker on a business stating “If you’re buying, we’re selling” and a pride flag showing solidarity ? That egregious discrimination ?

            Wow, wonder when the support group is going to be formed. All that PTSD. All that hurt. (sniffle, sniffle).

          • trueWorldview

            Living in your echo chamber, it is easy to be clueless about the religious discrimination that others are experiencing.

            One day, you may understand. In God’s timing…

          • Progressive Patriot

            (Yawn.)

          • Michex

            So if I want a homosexual baker to make me a cake saying “same sex marriage is bad for society”, and he has that stupid sticker up, then he is required by law to make that cake for me?

          • Progressive Patriot

            Hard to say.

          • helligusvart

            “Hard to say?!!” So if it’s a Christian cakemaker being asked to bake a cake for a same-sex couple, is it “hard to say” whether that cakemaker has the right to refuse to bake the cake? And if not, why?

          • helligusvart

            We don’t seem to have a problem with this. Sounds more like you’re describing militant homosexuals than us.

          • trueWorldview

            The answer is yes.

            Promote immorality at all costs, for all selfish reasons, without regard to the good of our nation.

            And as a side consequence, repress the religious liberties of those who disagree in the name of their “noble” cause.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Not sure whose liberty is being “repressed” as we all have full knowledge of your position. What is galling is the REJECTION of your position. Or, that your position does not have “most favored” status or is the ONLY position.

            And, reasonable people can disagree as to what is “good for our nation.” Many would state that equal treatment under the law is precisely what is good for our nation. Absence of discrimination. Equal pay for equal work. All that stuff.

          • trueWorldview

            The sound bites appear reasonable, fair, and just.

            But the logically consequences of the legalization of same-sex marriage have not been rationally and fully thought out.

            Once marriage has been redefined, the floodgates of marriage permutations are legally permissible.

            Polygamy is the next frontier of legalization.

            After that, marrying a cow may be next. Yes, you can google that too.

          • Progressive Patriot

            LOL. Ah yes, the “floodgates” argument.

            Never gets old. Ha ha ha.

          • trueWorldview

            Apparently, a case of willful ignorance may be at issue.

            Google…polygamy, Utah legal cases.

            And I presume that you did not even bother to google the woman who wanted to marry her cow.

            Yes, living carefree in the echo chamber. It beats needing to make any substantive rebuttals.

            It is easier just to “LOL” everything and let that substitute for the absence of rebuttals.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Nah, those are all nonsensical arguments that do not rise to the level of being worthy of a reply. Also, they are not the issue at hand.

            If the polygamists and bovine lovers want to make a case to the electorate, they are certainly welcome to do so. Absent any political groundswell to allow such couplings, they are merely the feeble attempts of the desperate to try to stop the juggernaut of same-sex marriage and subject every single citizen to the theocratic jackboot of tyranny.

            Meh. So predictable. Really ? What is next ? Will we be forced under penalty of law to say NICE THINGS about the religionists ? Vow fealty in order to vote or own property ?

            We know it is coming. The theocrats want NOTHING LESS.

          • trueWorldview

            There are already legal attempts to invalidate the laws prohibiting polygamy.

            It is not theoretical; it is a reality.

            Their attempts are bolstered by the legalization of same-sex marriage, which opened the floodgates of marriage redefinition.

            Once opened, there is no reasonable legal logic to stop only at the marriage of one man and one man or one woman and one woman.

            The fact that one woman would even try to marry her cow only points to the reality that all types of bizarre desires exist.

            Whether, such an attempt was successful or not is irrelevant at this point. My main point is that the floodgates argument is valid

          • Dawn1257

            A cow? And did said, cow, agree to this marriage? And did said, cow, sign an application for a wedding license?

            See how easy it is to beat back these red herrings?

          • trueWorldview

            You did not even try to google it.

          • Dawn1257

            Uum…. yeah, actually I did. It doesn’t even show up.

          • trueWorldview

            I am sure you tried really hard.

          • trueWorldview

            Just for argument’s sake…
            Whoever said that consent from a cow was required?

            An unborn baby can be aborted without his/her consent.

          • Michex

            On BeyondMarriage DOT Org homosexual leaders endorse polygamy (“more than one conjugal partner’).
            This is well-known.

          • Michex

            On BeyondMarriage DOT Org homosexual leaders endorse polygamy

          • trueWorldview

            In your willful ignorance of the legal cases pending in court, the floodgates argument will seem unlikely.

            But then, again, laughing is merely an old tactic to deflect from the lack of a substantive rebuttal.

          • Michex

            On BeyondMarriage DOT Org homosexual leaders endorse polygamy.

          • trueWorldview

            Thanks for the link.

            More evidence that the floodgates argument is valid.

            Once marriage is redefined, all future permutations of marriage may be possible by law.

          • Dawn1257

            The practice of your “nobility” is the bane of my own beliefs.

            Constitutionally then, how is it that your beliefs should trump that of mine, or vice verse?

            You’re are simply an egocentric selfish person. A direct reflection of your first premise.

          • trueWorldview

            We shall agree to disagree. Ad hominem attacks merely reflect poorly on yourself.

          • Dawn1257

            Misrepresented conclusion.

            That was not an attack. It was a redirected view point meant to show that your position is not the ONLY position that can be right. That’s all.

          • trueWorldview

            Yes, now trying to rationalize your comments.

            “You’re are (sic) simply an ecocentric selfish person.” was not meant as a personal attack against me.

            It was merely expressing a public policy position respectfully.

            Please spare me.

          • Dawn1257

            Seriously?

            It was no more an “attack” than what you posited in your OWN comment:

            trueWorldview: “Promote immorality at all costs, for all selfish reasons, without regard to the good of our nation.”

            It was a parallel track of thinking. If you don’t know the difference between an Ad Hominem attack and a parallel to ‘undermine’ your thoughts – which is NOT and Ad Hominem, well that’s just too sad for you, I’m sure.

          • trueWorldview

            My comments were directed towards no one in specific but rather towards a general group of leftist activists.

            By contrast, your comments were directed specifically towards me, and then you had the audacity to deny that it was a personal attack.

          • Dawn1257

            Read into it whatever you wish. I know what I meant and I believe it is a clear example of parallel thinking from an opposing point of view which was only to serve as an example of how absurd your position was.

            Now I suppose you’ll take that, too, as a “personal attack”?

            Truly, grow a thicker skin.

          • trueWorldview

            Hands got caught in the cookie jar? Now trying so hard to back track.

            Not a matter of growing a thicker skin, my friend.

            Just high-lighting the weak attempts of rebutting, which includes tactics of ad hominem attacks directed personally.

          • Dawn1257

            No backtracking here.

            Mine was a statement of factual interpretation of a non- factual statement that was also illogical – that would be yours. Hence no Ad Hominem could exist.

          • trueWorldview

            Wow! That’s a desperate attempt to cover and explain away one’s ad hominem attack.

            It also had more twists in logic than a pretzel.

            Simple Conclusion: your statement contained an ad hominem attack.

          • Dawn1257

            BTW – make no misunderstanding. I most certainly am NOT your “friend”. That is such an overly cliched and misused idiom.

          • helligusvart

            Only one position can be right. All others are false. Simple logic.

          • Dawn1257

            Okay, so we’ll follow your ‘logic’. He’s wrong therefore I’m right……. by default.

          • helligusvart

            No, he’s wrong because the Word of God says so.

          • Dawn1257

            Yes, that’s pretty much what I said, but if you want to invoke “the word of God” to reinforce my point, who am I to argue?

          • helligusvart

            I was not referring to Scott Lively. Mr. Lively is right on the money. I was referring to your hypothetical “He’s wrong therefore I’m right…….by default” statement. I can see where my comment could be misconstrued. My point was that the Word of God is the standard, and that all other viewpoints are therefore wrong.

          • Greg

            So again, you are saying, that Americas ultimate destruction is inevitable, because unhindered immorality is a right?

          • Progressive Patriot

            Well, would disagree with the premise of the question. LGBT rights are very, VERY unlikely to diminish in this country or worldwide for the next few decades at least.

            Respecting the pluralism of our nation is an important element of our success. Religionists are free to have their opinion and viewpoint, but they are no longer the ONLY determinants of civil rights for all our citizens.

            What some consider immorality, others consider morally acceptable. The two viewpoints will continue to coexist with equal validity.

          • Truth Offends

            That’s not true at all. Two viewpoints cannot “coexist.”
            For example:
            In public schools across our nation, school children are taught that homosexuality is perfectly normal and acceptable–and school children are not permitted to speak a word against homosexuality without fear of punishment.
            Another example,
            Homosexuals are unwilling to “coexist” with small business owners who are willing to serve homosexuals anything they want except serve their so-called “gay weddings”.
            Oh, and of course,
            Homosexuals are certainly unwilling to “coexist” with the viewpoint expressed by Scott Lively!

          • Progressive Patriot

            Well, that position seems to directly contradict the overused trope of “focusing on the debate” with regard to issues such as evolution v. creationism. In that particular case, two viewpoints do, indeed, coexist.

            As for the other nonsense examples cited, they are straw men and not truly representative.

            The “other side” is already, clearly known. No person alive in the modern age is unaware of the religionist perspective. Everyone has seen the Westboro Baptist signs at funerals. Pretty much obvious what one side thinks.

            Both coexist. What galls your side is that you have to share the microphone with others. The thing sticking in your craw is that there are a multiplicity of viewpoints.

          • Truth Offends

            LOL!
            You said “two viewpoints (on homosexuality) will continue to coexist with equal validity.” I point out three examples of how that is not at all true…and you call that..”straw-man” arguments! How ridiculous.

          • trueWorldview

            Whoops! The rebuttal that tried to rebut but could not address the points at all.

            It is called a “non-rebuttal.”

          • Greg

            I wonder how well Islams viewpoints will coexist once they make their final push for Sharia Law in this great land of pluralism and multiplicity? I’m thinking something like Iraq and Syria

          • jimcastro65

            In public schools across our nation, school children are taught that homosexuality is perfectly normal and acceptable It is…problem?

            school children are not permitted to speak a word against homosexuality without fear of punishment. citation please?

            Homosexuals are unwilling to “coexist” with small business owners who are willing to serve homosexuals anything they want except serve their so-called “gay weddings”. Keep on beating the dead horse. P-U-B-L-I-C A-C-C-O-M-O-D-A-T-I-O-N L-A-W-S 40TH verse…..

            Homosexuals are certainly unwilling to “coexist” with the viewpoint expressed by Scott Lively! Wrong again, only unwilling to let his garbage go unchallenged

          • roccolore

            Gay fascists like you are anti-Christian and never protest against Islam. How’s your friend Floyd Corkins?

          • Progressive Patriot

            LOL

          • vorpal

            How are your friends in Center City? How are your friends Jessica Dutro and Ronnie Paris Sr?

            I have no less loathing for Islamic extremism than I do for Christian extremism.

          • helligusvart

            Those two cases are heartbreaking. What I’d like to know is, how does one determine that a three-year old “might be gay?” Obviously the elevator didn’t go to the top floor for these two.

          • vorpal

            I really don’t know, and I suspect that the people involved in both cases were completely nuts. That being said, I’m not going to rule it out as impossible for them to have strongly suspected that their sons were gay as they may well have been non-gender conforming, which is one of the biggest predictors of homosexuality. (I knew, for example, that I was gay when I was four, but I never told my parents and have always been very gender conforming, so there were few signs.) Of course, non-gender conformance doesn’t indicate that they necessarily were gay.

            All that being said, it is not fair to judge an entire group based on the actions of a few insane people. Judging LGBT people and the efforts of the HRC and SPLC on the actions of idiot trash Floyd Corkins is no better than comparing all of the Christian right to people like this.

          • Truth Offends

            It’s the objective.

          • kktex12

            hrc is fighting for and promoting immorality. They also are promoting pedophilia.

        • roccolore

          Then why isn’t the HRC denouncing them? Because they’re the ones sending them. Gay fascists would be demanding hate crime charges if Chad Griffin were to receive a death threat.

    • thisoldspouse

      It’s paying exorbitant salaries. That is all.

      • Progressive Patriot

        Pffft. It’s just 250k base pay and some bonuses. Rounds out about 360k. And, that’s for the director, Chad Griffin, who earns the max.

        Yawn. Nothing to even write home about.

        Worth every penny. Unless of course, one thinks that being denied access to dying loved one by a hospital or religionist personnel is acceptable and legal behavior.

        Edie Windsor likely thinks it is a great investment, as do all the other families marginalized and economically burdened by the animus-driven theocratic agenda which is costing so much money. Actually seems like a bargain by comparison.

  • Tribune

    If the emails from these two gaystapos are across state lines, it should be federal. I am almost certain that making threats between states should warrant a criminal complaint.

    • thisoldspouse

      Eric Holder will get right on it,

      • Tribune

        I am so sure.

        • Michex

          Some of Lively’s superb books are free on the Web on his website.
          Notice the name HRC – Human Rights Campaign. Ha! One would think that its purpose was to protect the “human rights” of people in countries with repressive regimes.
          But no, it’s just about homosexuals.
          They knew a name like Homosexuals and Bisexuals United would not be welcome so they chose to fool people with HRC.

          • RCQ_92130

            If only HRC was that benign (about ONLY protecting homosexuals). It is not.

            HRC is a Pit Bull attack organization whose mission is to destroy the opposition. True – the opposition is (only) all who disagree with anything spewed by GayGestapo. But the mission isn’t to “protect” but, rather, to destroy.

            It is an evil and hate consumed organization, perfectly matched with GayGestapo.

          • Progressive Patriot

            All the more reason to donate frequently. Federal Club is a doable level. Have been doing it for years now. Since the move to a permanent location on Rhode Island.

            Great organization. GREAT organization !

          • trueWorldview

            You are welcome to waste your money.

          • Progressive Patriot

            Meh. Money given to HRC has yielded a fantastic ROI. Repeal of DADT, marriage equality in 19 states and the District. ENDA passage through the Senate, possibly later through the House. Prop 8 down the tubes.

            Dunno. So many thousands of families have been personally positively impacted by HRC contributions that it seems almost amoral to stop the donations.

            There are a plethora of LGBT charitable organizations. Quite the cornucopia of tax-deductible groups.

          • trueWorldview

            Pride cometh before the fall…

          • Truth Offends

            Pride goeth before destruction,
            and an haughty spirit before a fall.

          • trueWorldview

            Thanks for expanding on my paraphrase!

          • Truth Offends

            :-)

          • JPT

            Are haughty people aware they’re haughty?

          • roccolore

            The HRC paid for the defense fund of Floyd Corkins the FRC shooter.

          • Rob T

            Do you actually believe that or are you deliberately lying?

          • roccolore

            So do you still think Floyd Corkins is a victim?

          • Rob T

            I never believed he was a victim. That’s another of your lies (since you didn’t answer my question, it’s likely you’re deliberately lying).

          • trueWorldview

            Broad is the road to destruction…

          • roccolore

            You think that any group that defends Floyd Corkins is a great organization.

          • trueWorldview

            Great for the HRC corporate leaders to fatten their own wallets!

          • Progressive Patriot

            Not as much as one might presume. But, great way to set aside reserves to tackle theocratic animus from every quarter.

            (laughing) A couple that legally married in California moved to Texas and now one of the wives is unable to get a driver’s license because the state does not recognize her name change off her legal CA marriage license.

            Gotta love it. Nah, it’s not “hate” at all. Not one little bit. LOL.

          • trueWorldview

            I get it now.

            Perhaps, you are benefitting from all the “charitable donations”

            No wonder, LOL is used so often!

          • Progressive Patriot

            Nah, but good thought.

          • trueWorldview

            Gotta come clean. Denial can be emotionally unhealthy.

      • trueWorldview

        Yes, get right to being negligent in his duties as the attorney general.

  • oldsalt35

    This is proof of how the liberal, socialist , progressives, try to influence the out come of the operations of our gov. Yet no one of these groups of people ever condemn them for their threats, and obnoxious actions. Hold to your Faith Sir.

  • Tribune

    I am sending money to Scott Lively, and nobody can stop me. I am pledging a DONATION FOR EVERY threat made in this comment section to Scott or anybody that have a valid opinion. I suggest everybody to do the same. If not Scott, then anybody who is fighting against those rabies infested gaystapos should warrant getting a donation.

    Join me..

    • thisoldspouse

      Already done. And please consider supporting his candidacy for Governor of Massachusetts as well.

      • Progressive Patriot

        (laughing) Like a loon such as Lively has a snowball’s chance of getting elected in Massachusetts. Good grief.

        • Dawn1257

          Thank goodness they’re a minority. Err……maybe I should thank their God?

          • Tribune

            It is not a threat, but I’ll make an exception anyway. I’ll make the donation under dawn1257.

          • Dawn1257

            Hahaha! Sure, be my guest! Waste your money any way you see fit.

          • Tribune

            Hahaha!! I’ll be happy to make another donation for you. You are too generous with my money!!!

        • thisoldspouse

          So do most of them.

      • Tribune

        He’ll have my support.

    • RCQ_92130

      You raise a great issue.

      Homosexuals are generally in lock step as contributors to their evil causes. The amount of money this tiny sliver of society raises among themselves to further the devastation of children, the destruction of institutions (marriage, military, etc), and the luring of as many people into eternal damnation as possible …… well, let us just say they are REALLY committed.

      Not so all the rest of us. We traditionally have avoided confrontations with the forces of evil under the banner of “love everyone” and have been loath to fork over our cash to oppose the enemy army.

      If we are now — finally — really awakened to this march of demons, then it will show up in our contributions.

      • Dawn1257

        An oft used statement from P.T. Barnum comes to mind here.

        • RCQ_92130

          No doubt ALL the time for you.

          • Dawn1257

            As in relation to you and your kind? Yeah.

      • Tribune

        RCQ – Thank you for your reply.

        Fiscally, we are diffferent than the homosexual. We spend mony on Family, Home and Church so we do not have much disposable income (we can thank the homosexual cheerleader in the White House for that). But, collectively we can out donate them becasue these groups really rely on big contributers while for us it is the reverse.

        Once The Lie is exposed more and we get a fair shot in the sock-puppet, lame brain, Ted Baxter run media we can actually sweep these deviants groups aside. You are right to point out that we have avoided confrontation. We all should spread the word to change that. If you agree, I am sure HRC will find a way to harm us for doing right.

  • trueWorldview

    Bravo to Scott Lively for his courage in speaking the truth with love!

    May God strengthen him with power, grace, wisdom, and peace in the midst of hateful rhetoric and death threats.

    • RCQ_92130

      Yes, indeed!

    • marlene

      amen

  • JC

    These aren’t death threats, they are wishes he would die. Lively sure is a drama queen and lying liar.

    • thisoldspouse

      The first most definitely is a threat: “we will…”

      The second is so violent and hate ridden, pathologically so, that it is easily being spewed by a loose cannon. I think the case can easily be made by implication.

      • helligusvart

        I think your earlier comment calling them demon-possessed was more to the point. Although I would personally prefer to say “under demonic control.” The two are not one and the same thing.

        • thisoldspouse

          Fair enough, though I do have my own thoughts on demon possession as found in the New Testament.

          The deranged, super-human, seemingly out of control behavior of those brought to Jesus for deliverance from demons (why won’t professing, Jesus-deferring “Christian” Leftists even admit to this irrefutable teaching of Jesus, that demon possession is real?) were those who were inwardly resisting the demon. That was the cause of the conflict that manifested in bizarre behavior. That conflict was exactly why Jesus was able to deliver them.

          Those who are willingly compliant with the possessing demon appear as normal functioning humans, except for their warped, demonic world view.

          Volition is everything.

    • RCQ_92130

      OK.

      So I’m wishing YOU die an horrible, painful, slooooowwww death – maybe some rare form of cancer that eats away your organs, but so slowly you linger in excruciating pain for years and years.

      Now — THAT’S a FINE thing to say …. right?

      Or are you a lying liar, drama queen and homosexual. But I repeat myself …

      • JC

        Untouched by your wish for me. You must be Barbwire’s newest troll.

        What is the matter, did your drunk daddy slap you around and call you a “sissy” when you were a little boy?

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Have any mirrors at home? Because it sounds an awful lot like projecting….

        • RCQ_92130

          Nah. I didn’t go gay ~~~ that’s YOUR failing ~~~ so daddy slapping you around and conscripting you into his world of homosexuality is YOUR trauma. The rest of us didn’t suffer such things.

          Pity for you, that.

          • JC

            Funny how you call me gay, when you know nothing about me, and I never stated so. You are projecting on me your hatred of your own homosexual self. I pity YOU for that. I giggle at all of your posts. So angry you are. We’re done, troll.

          • RCQ_92130

            The statement you just made is one of the most stereotypically homosexual-esque comments any homosexual has ever made.

            You wear your perversity on your sleeve, gay man. On your sleeve.

            Better to fess up and own what you are.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            More projection, huh, JC?

      • vorpal

        It’s better than the Christians here slavering over the thought of gay people burning and suffering in hell for all of eternity.

        • kktex12

          I do not know of any real Christian who wants to see anyone burning and suffering the most unimaginable terror ever in hell. God loves the sinner but not the sin. He would not have sent His Son to die on the cross if He didn’t love the sinner. Therefore the unrepentant sinner will never see the pearly gates. Their choice and not His.

        • making_pie

          Enjoy your one way trip F-A-G-G-O-T.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      Message: he should be. please let him know we are waiting for a moment when he is alone. then we will take him to the woods, rip out his throat and show him videos from youtube where he has caused misery and suffering to the gay people of the world. then we will put a hungry rat into his throat and film it on youtube. time is coming soon.

      Yeah. That’s sounds exactly like an expressed desire to see someone dead, and not an outright threat.

      And you wonder why sodomites don’t have credibility.

      • JC

        “That’s sounds exactly like an expressed desire to see someone dead”

        Yes, to see someone dead. It is just hyperbole. Not a direct threat. FBI would ignore this. Are you angry much or all the time? Did you get dropped on you head? We’re done.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          For you to say the same thing in the face of the presentation places you in the same league as AlGore and the mother of Damian Williams: You choose to live in a state of denial. I cannot help you with that, but maybe a mental health professional can.

  • roccolore

    Gay fascists would be demanding hate crime charges had one of their goons got death threats.

    • Dawn1257

      It’s perfectly within the realm of legal rights that Mr. Lively pursue the same representation. If these are verifiable and true threats and/or if they are acted upon. It doesn’t have to be just those who are LGBT that harness legal strategy.

      • thisoldspouse

        Please, there’s a snowball’s chance in Hell that this would ever be pursued as a hate crime. You know it as well as anybody.

        With which enumerated victim group would Lively identify to activate hate crime enhancements?

        • Dawn1257

          Look at Federally, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.

          For State specific, well that will depend upon what state.

      • thisoldspouse

        Still waiting. With WHICH enumerated victim group would Lively have to identify to activate hate crime enhancements?

        Anyone?

    • RCQ_92130

      Yes – and the GayGestapo trolls would be all over the message board, spewing filth and indignation at the horror and injustice of an homosexual being bullied and threatened.

      How odd these same zeros are so “OK” with this when done against a non-homosexual.

      Well ……….. I take it back. Since all homosexuals are 101% self obsessed, self absorbed, selfish, narcissistic haters it’s not at all surprising they either support violence against Dr. Lively or condone such with their silence. Lively isn’t among their cabal of evil. Therefore, Lively is fair game.

      Kind of reminiscent of ISIS and Christians …. isn’t it?

    • thisoldspouse

      Are you kidding?! They demand hate crime charges when even a homosexual-concocted HOAX is reported.

      • roccolore

        Gays are known to fake hate crime, but once the hoax is exposed, it seems to go away. Read about Charlie Rogers.

        • thisoldspouse

          Charlie Rogers STILL got a sodomite rally after she was exposed as the fraudster, because “it could have happened.”

  • marlene

    Name them, jail them and throw away the key. In the meantime, we need to raise money for Mr. Lively to hire constitutional and criminals lawyers to bring these scumbags to court – and to pay for an appeal since I don’t believe obama’s evil, corrupt activits judges will rule honestly or fairly under the preponderance of any evidence.

  • Mic T.

    Wow… Lively sure is a little rat, isn’t he?

    Why should he blame the HRC if people start sending him death threats? Granted, sending death threats is never right, but he should have expected something like this to happen by now. Also, I seriously doubt that the death threats started after the HRC report. They had to have been going on long before then. He just wants to find a single gay organization to blame for his “suffering.”

    Also, never in the report did HRC ever release personal information about you; they didn’t disclose your address, phone number, not even your email. And yet you disclose the names AND emails of the people who send you death threats? Talk about hypocritical!

    • Sternenberg

      He’s such a pathetic individual with a very sad background. If those texts are real the police should investigate, but unless some official source confirms it I see no reason to believe they are authentic given Mr. Livelys reputation. They could easily be fabricated, whereas the damage his “work” is doing in Russia and Uganda is very real.

    • thisoldspouse

      See my newest post on the latest threat by HRC: “Today HRC is putting Robert Oscar Lopez and Scott Lively on notice. These Americans are part of a network of extremists working tirelessly to undercut LGBT people around the world at every turn.”

  • RCQ_92130

    “HRC AGENT”…

    Perhaps more aptly “HIV AGENT”.

  • thisoldspouse

    Okay, guys. The outrage has just been notched up a few rungs by the HRC. THIS, on their most recent blog posting:

    Today HRC is putting Robert Oscar Lopez and Scott Lively on notice. These Americans are part of a network of extremists working tirelessly to undercut LGBT people around the world at every turn.

    “Put on notice?” Really?

    From the Oxford Online Dictionary:

    put someone on notice (or serve notice)
    Warn someone of something about or likely to occur, especially in a formal or threatening manner

    If this isn’t inciting violence, I don’t know what is. Those are fightin’ words!

    Suggested strategy – the HRC’s blog site is open for Disqus account posting. I encourage all conservatives reading to inject a little sanity on this blog site.

    • Truth Offends

      I would do that if I didn’t have a self-imposed rule to comment only on BarbWire.

      • thisoldspouse

        Then pass it on to a fellow conservative who doesn’t have that rule.

        • Truth Offends

          I hope you took a screen-shot of the “notice” that you could send to Lively.

          • thisoldspouse

            Good idea. Doing now.

    • Mic T.

      Okay, now this is getting ridiculous. Did you see the example that the Oxford Dictionary site gave as an example?

      “We’re going to put foreign governments on notice that we want a change of trade policy.”

      So, by your way of thinking, I assume that means they would do that through nuclear warfare? If you have to literally pick apart the language used in a report, then that is the ultimate sign of desperation on your end.

      • thisoldspouse

        What part of “threatening” do you not understand?

        • Mic T.

          I believe the definition, as you said, was “in a formal OR threatening manner.”

          In this case, there is no doubt that it leaned more towards the former.

          • thisoldspouse

            Possible. But how are the psycho, super-activists going to view it?

          • Mic T.

            Probably the same way I viewed it: that the HRC is drawing attention to the harmful actions by Lively, Lopez, and their ilk, and hopefully make those people realize just how harmful their work really is.

          • Truth Offends

            What do you think HRC means when it says,
            “On Notice: It is Time Scott Lively and Robert Oscar Lopez End the Export of Hate”

          • Mic T.

            It means to draw the attention of Lively and Lopez to their own harmful campaigns.

          • Truth Offends

            No. HRC did not say, “ATTENTION.”
            HRC said, “ON NOTICE”

          • Mic T.

            On Notice: Having received notification. Once you are “on notice” you cannot claim that you were not aware of the matter. For example, when you receive a Court Summons, you are “on notice” that you must appear as ordered.

          • thisoldspouse

            And if you don’t appear “as ordered,” what happens to you?

          • Mic T.

            I see what you’re doing here. Can’t you see that even though they claim to be Christian, they have produced more bad fruit than good? They should spend their days and their funds actually doing good for the world, like helping to build schools in third-world countries.

          • thisoldspouse

            As if they don’t help to build schools in third-world countries?

            I believe MOST schools, hospitals, health facilities and other benevolence concerns are financed and manned by biblical Christians around the world. Sorry, that deflection won’t fly.

          • Mic T.

            So why have I yet to see or hear about Scott Lively donate money to a similar project? Just because there are others doing it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t.

          • thisoldspouse

            You obviously know nothing about Scott Lively. Please stop while the display of your uninformed ignorance is still in its early stages.

          • Mic T.

            So he has donated to a project like that?

          • thisoldspouse

            The “notice” implies a course of action must ensue, or else.

          • Mic T.

            Yes, it implies that they must change their ways or else they will continue to have the blood of hundreds of men, women, and children on their hands.

          • thisoldspouse

            That would be HIV infected blood, and no, they don’t.

          • Mic T.

            I’m not even going to argue the HIV statement, but how can you even say that because of their stances regarding gay people, gay people around the world are being attacked and killed for the way they are?

          • thisoldspouse

            Which “gay” people have been killed due to Scott Lively’s activity? I have yet to hear of any.

          • Mic T.

            All of the men and women who have been killed and attacked in Russia and Uganda because of their anti-gay laws, which were inspired by speeches he gave in each of those countries.

          • thisoldspouse

            Which would those be? You are being intentionally vague. Names, dates, details – or it never happened.

          • Mic T.

            November 23, 2013 – a gay club in Moscow called Central Station was gassed by unknown attackers.

            May 2013 – in Volgograd, a gay man was tortured, raped with beer bottles, and had his skull smashed with a rock.

            Last year, a Russian man was stabbed and set on fire because a group of men suspected he was gay.

            A Russian group known as Occupy Paedophilia spends their time finding gay men on dating sites, lures them to fake dates, and tortures them while filming the whole thing.

            In August 2013, Russian paratroopers attacked Krill Kalugin, a gay rights activist.

            In April 2012, a father sent his gay son to a rehab clinic after an exorcism wouldn’t “cure” his homosexuality.

            In four cases in Uganda, men accused of being gay were reported to have been kidnapped and tortured. There were 29 incidents where the media “outed” individuals who were later subjected to further persecution.

            A 17-year-old Ugandan boy killed himself by swallowing rat poison and pills on 3 April because he felt his life had no further value.

            …Need I go on?

          • thisoldspouse

            Do you have links? Or are these from “gay” activism sites?

            Killing yourself can be for any reason. The “gay child” suicide meme is an absolute farce.

          • Mic T.

            I have all of the links necessary. I’m simply waiting on the site to approve them.

          • thisoldspouse

            Thanks. I’ll honestly look at them.

          • Truth Offends

            Would you mind copying the link and posting a comment to me with that link?

          • thisoldspouse

            I have a sneaking suspicion that most of these references are from the Intellectual Poverty Law Center.

          • Truth Offends

            I’m willing to bet that Lively is not at all responsible for ANY of the crimes listed, and that he probably was no where near the scene of the crimes!

          • Mic T.

            Of course he’s not going to be the perpetrator for the crimes.

          • Kara Connor

            Scott Lively is too clever to be directly involved. He, the AFA and FRC simply keep issuing lies like “gay = pedophile”, funding and advising on anti-gay laws in Africa, opposing legal equality in the US, and encouraging thugs on the ground by giving their cause faux-legitimacy. All they have to do then is sit back and wait for anti-LGBT violence, then act surprised. I suspect I’ll be waiting a while for anyone on here to condemn the pastors calling for our deaths in the earlier post I made.

          • thisoldspouse

            I’m also willing to bet that these were crimes where the victim just happened to be “gay.”

            The only name that has been put forward related to Scott Lively is David Kato, and that story has turned out to be an outright LIE, which the Gaystapo STILL runs with. (he was killed by a homosexual lover.)

          • thisoldspouse

            On the contrary, 100’s of thousands have been killed through homosexual activity.

          • Mic T.

            If you don’t count AIDS, which I don’t consider having much to do with the gay rights movement, there have been few to no deaths.

          • thisoldspouse

            Wrong as can be. There have been THOUSAND of deaths not even related to AIDS. Domestic violence is through the roof in homosexual households. Look up “gay violence” and “hammers” if you don’t believe me.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            And how do you prove any of those things have anything to do with Lively or Lopez? You can’t. Because it is BS.

          • Mic T.

            Obviously, the perpetrators aren’t going to say “in the name of Lively.”

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Actually, in order to be able to prove your sophistry, they indeed need to name drop Lively or Lopez.

          • Truth Offends

            Which of these crimes are you placing blame on Lively?
            Or, do you believe in your twisted mind that Lively is to be blamed for ALL crimes committed against ANY homosexual?

          • Mic T.

            It goes back to him, though. He planted the seeds in the minds of the Russians and Ugandans that homosexuality is something that must be eliminated.

          • Truth Offends

            So, you blame him for ALL crimes committed against ANY homosexual.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            That’s exactly what he is doing. And he actually thinks he can get away with it.

          • Mic T.

            No I’m not. But he definitely has a hand in it.

          • Truth Offends

            How do you “definitely” know that?

          • Mic T.

            Because he had a hand in creating the anti-gay policies, which in turn led to “vigilantes.”

          • Matthew T. Mason

            He didn’t do a bloody thing. That’s pure horse manure, and you know it. Stop slandering Lively.

          • Rob T

            You mean traveling to a country and lobbying their legislators and then bragging that he dropped a “nuclear bomb” against the gay “agenda” counts as “He didn’t do a bloody thing.”

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Proof he said that. With links.

          • Rob T
          • Matthew T. Mason

            From the website:

            On the positive side, my host and ministry partner in Kampala, Stephen Langa, was overjoyed with the results of our efforts and predicted confidently that the coming weeks would see significant improvement in the moral climate of the nation, and a massive increase in pro-family activism in every social sphere. He said that a respected observer of society in Kampala had told him that our campaign was like a nuclear bomb against the “gay” agenda in Uganda. I pray that this, and the predictions, are true.

            Emphasis mine.

            You mean traveling to a country and lobbying their legislators and then bragging that he dropped a “nuclear bomb” against the gay “agenda”

            Except he didn’t say that. He was relating second hand information. And there is absolutely nothing about it that’s incendiary anyway.

            Once again, we have a sodomite being disingenuous in a (rather lame) attempt to slander Scott Lively. Big shock.

          • Rob T

            Ah, let’s see. Suppose I grant you that minor correction. You claimed, “He didn’t do a bloody thing.” I’ve shown that he went to Uganda, did work there, and then prayed that his efforts amounted to a “nuclear bomb against the ‘gay’ agenda.”

            So yeah, I’ll grant you a minor correction. But even with that, you remain wholeheartedly wrong in saying, “He didn’t do a bloody thing.” Lively himself “prays” you are wrong.

          • Truth Offends

            Do you or do you not blame Lively for all crimes committed in Russia and Uganda against any homosexual?

          • Mic T.

            No, not all of them. But that, in no way, shape, or form, does that mean that he wasn’t the catalyst behind the attacks. The rate of anti-gay hate crimes rose after Lively appeared in Russia, and they rose even more after the “gay propaganda” law.

          • Truth Offends

            How do you know which crimes are ones you would blame Lively and which crimes you would not blame Lively?

          • Mic T.

            You’ve got to be kidding me. This issue is not black and white. Lively and all he has done in both Uganda and Russia has played a role in what has occurred in both countries. If you can’t see that, then you are truly blind and ignorant.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Oh, horse manure. Absolute horse manure. Sodomites consider him a threat because 1) He tells the truth about the homosexual agenda and 2) The sodomites have been unable to silence him thus far.

            Sodomites want absolute control over the information that is disseminated to the huddled masses, regarding the homosexual agenda. If it doesn’t jibe with their propaganda and lies, it must be silenced.

          • Mic T.

            You’ve got to be kidding me, Matty.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            I don’t see you disputing it.

          • Mic T.

            There is no truth to anything that Lively has said. Most of his information comes from antiquated studies and reports.

            The LGBT community doesn’t want to silence all opposition. But there is no reason that the anti-gay crowd should have any influence over governments.

          • thisoldspouse

            Why should the gay crowd have influence over governments, then?

          • Mic T.

            They don’t. Governments have simply realized that it’s pointless to prevent a group of people from doing what they want if they aren’t inflicting harm on anyone.

          • thisoldspouse

            Fining a family farm $13k is definitely harm in my book.

            If you don’t agree, please wire me $13,000 from your personal account.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            There is no truth to anything that Lively has said.

            Such as?

            The LGBT community doesn’t want to silence all opposition.

            That’s the lie of the day.

    • Truth Offends

      HRC Website: Posting what appears as Wild-West Wanted Posters:
      “ON NOTICE: It is Time Scott Lively and Robert Oscar Lopez End the Export of Hate”
      “HRC needs your help to stop Lively and Lopez from spreading their hateful mission worldwide.”

      HRC also said to, “Send the message below and join us in helping to spread the truth about these American extremists,” but that does not “STOP” or “END” Lively and Lopez supposed “exporting of hate”!

  • thisoldspouse

    If Lively and Lopez are “extremists,” then who are the tens of millions of Americans in 31 states who overwhelmingly defined true marriage in their state constitutions? Who are the state executives and lead attorneys who are appealing court activism to improperly redefine state definitions on marriage? Who are the majority of legislators who are blocking a federal ENDA?

    • thisoldspouse

      In other words, how can the vast majority be “extremists?”

      • Rob T

        But opponents of same sex marriage are a minority in the US. Surely you know this.

        • thisoldspouse

          That has not been proven. The relatively few court judges are hardly a majority. Rigged “polls” can be managed any way that is politically expedient.

          The record that stands is the Constitutional votes of the majority of citizens amending their state constitutions. So far, none of these amendments have been undone by similar votes.

          • Rob T

            Maine voters banned same sex marriage on November 3, 2009 and then reversed that on November 6, 2012.

            Your side hasn’t been able to win at the ballot box for a couple years now.

            It’s hard to dismiss polls as rigged when they’re backed up by the voters.

          • thisoldspouse

            Maine, a tiny inconsequential state without election integrity laws. And I did say “constitutional amendments,” not just pushing back a redefinition law passed by the legislature.

            When you overturn, by majority citizen vote, a state’s Constitutional Marriage Amendment, get back to me.

          • Rob T

            Now you’re just being silly. The case of Maine shows that people are changing their minds. The unbroken string of victories for us at the polls demonstrates that change is happening. What evidence do you have that the “vast majority” of Americans oppose same sex marriage?

          • RCQ_92130

            I recall as if yesterday the wonderful example of homosexual kindness in Maine, 2009.

            The night of the election, when it was reported the State had turned DOWN the out-of-state swarm of Stormtroopers who invaded and tried to bully voters into approving the measure, the Chairman of the pro-gay-marriage initiative said to the Bangor press:

            “I WILL NOT REST UNTIL I HAVE THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF EVERY ONE OF THOSE VOTERS!!”

            Here we have the HRC institutionalizing this lynch mob behavior.

          • Rob T

            What does ANY of that have to do with what RCQ and I are talking about?

          • RCQ_92130

            HomoLogic:

            Opponents of same sex “marriage” {sic} are in the minority if GayGestapo can get enough judges to decree ‘there shall be gay ‘marriage’ {sic}”

            Interesting spin on the notion of ‘logic”, isn’t it?

          • Rob T

            How did you get that from what I said? I didn’t even mention judges. I talked about polls and elections.

          • RCQ_92130

            Nearly every state that now mandates gay “marriage” {sic} has come to that absurd position through judicial corruption, not the ballot box. Take California, for example …..

          • Rob T

            A number of states have achieved equality through legislatures and direct votes by the people. And do you have evidence of “judicial corruption”?

            But none of that changes the fact that your reply to me had nothing to do with what I said (not of which you actually refuted). Let’s call that “HaterLogic.”

          • RCQ_92130

            Your very words:

            “opponents of same sex marriage are a minority in the US”

            Which is both a lie and an unsubstantiated claim.

          • Rob T

            Not a lie. And easy enough to verify through a number of polls. Meanwhile, of course, you still haven’t explained what your reply to me had to do with what I was writing. I said nothing about “judges” in what I wrote. You added that from your own imagination.

          • RCQ_92130

            Meanwhile, your false claim that perversion is now the majority ..

            well, that remains simply a lie and totally unsubstantiated.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Not a lie. And easy enough to verify through a number of polls.

            Everybody knows you can get any answer you want depending on how you ask the question. Try again.

  • tomd

    “HRC Agents Now Sending Me Death Threats”

    Does Lively have any proof that these people are actually “agents” of the HRC? Are they connected to the organization in any way?

    • thisoldspouse

      The threats were made within days of the HRC hit list release.

      I guess if activists can blame alleged violence against openly proud homosexuals in Russia and Uganda on Scott Lively, this is just as valid a charge.

      • tomd

        That doesn’t make them “agents”. Does Lively have any proof that these individuals are connected to the HRC?

        • thisoldspouse

          You know, I have to agree with you here. I’m not sure if Scott Lively has information that he didn’t reveal in his piece. If not, he needs to issue a retraction on the title.

      • RCQ_92130

        HomoLogic:

        “We own the judges now ….. and if you don;t get evidence past our judges proving in a court of gay law, you do not have an argument.”

        You see, Old Spouse ~~~ silly notions of morality, truth and reality are not withing seeing distance of your basic GayGestapo trooper.

        • Rob T

          Your now posting responses to comments that have nothing to do with the comments you’re responding to. Time to step back, take a breath, and maybe a nap.

  • RCQ_92130

    I just read MicT’s list of alleged hate crimes against poor defenseless homosexuals in Russia. Shades of the “Poor Matthew Shepard” and “Poor Harvey Milk” false martyr claims we are so familiar with.

    According to GayGestapo, any time an homosexual individual, or an homosexual bath house, is assaulted it MUST BE AN ANTI-GAY ACT OF VIOLENCE. That despite the reality: most violence against homosexuals is done BY ANOTHER HOMOSEXUAL

    Yes, folks, “gays” are extraordinarily vicious and violent towards their ilk, especially within the confines of a gay “partnership”. If an homosexual is beaten up, killed or has his body parts eaten in an act of cannibalism it’s a safe bet the perpetrator was another homosexual.

    Additionally, GayGestapo would have us believe there are no homosexuals beat up or killed for any reason OTHER that the poor, innocent gay victim reason. NONE are over drug deals. NONE are because of some non-gay-related animosity. They are ALL hate crimes.

    Geesh. This gets SO tiring!

    • Rob T

      You just made all that up. No one here has ever said such a thing.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        Uh…yes they have.

        • Rob T

          Proof?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Start with Mic T. In this very thread.

          • Rob T

            I see nothing to justify RCQ false rant.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Of course you don’t. You are being willfully blind.

          • Rob T

            Your attempt at a riposte would be more effective if you simply pointed to someone saying that. So why didn’t you? Oh, yes, because you can’t.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Yes, I did. I specifically named Mic T. And RCQ did one better: She resposted the comments in question. You have deliberately chosen to ignore both.

            If you think you are so right, you wouldn’t need to play games like this.

          • Rob T

            You mentioned Mic T. But you didn’t point to him saying that.

            As for RCQ’s quotes, even she has backed off. But I’ll repeat what I said to her: You can’t seem to see the difference between saying, “Gays are assaulted out anti-gay bias” and “All assaults on gay people are due to anti-gay bias.”
            There’s a huge difference. RCQ quoted people saying the first thing, but you’re claiming they’re saying the second. Where?

            And I don’t know what you mean by playing games. I’m being very specific and direct while you’re…well, you’re not.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            You mentioned Mic T. But you didn’t point to him saying that.

            Because I thought you had basic reading and comprehension skills. Perhaps I was wrong.

          • Mic T.

            I, in no way, said that ALL attacks and murders of gay people were the result of hate crime. I am still trying to figure out how you came to that conclusion.

          • Rob T

            Because their deep hatred of gay people makes them unable to see anything against the talking points they’ve been fed. They are immune to reality, impervious to facts, undismayed by their ability to back up what they say.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Because their deep hatred of gay people

            Of course. It’s not that we don’t agree people who identify themselves by their sexual behavior should be given special treatment, it’s because of hate.

            What you have said is hands down one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

          • Rob T

            No, I don’t think that everyone who doesn’t like homosexuality is filled with hatred for gays. But you and RCQ sure seem to be.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Nope. Not at all. I do not care what consenting adults do in their own bedroom. You wouldn’t hear a peep out of me if it was kept there.

            But that isn’t what’s going on, and you know it.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            You suggested all of those attacks were because of Scott Lively. Something you have not retracted, even though it’s silly.

          • Rob T

            That’s not what we’re talking about in this subthread. We’re talking about RCQ’s much broader claim that we say ALL attacks on gay people are the result of anti-gay animus and no other reason.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            But that is what I am talking about.

          • Rob T

            Then you should have alerted us early on that you were barging into a conversation to discuss something different from what we were talking about. You could have saved us all a lot of trouble.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            And you would still be wrong.

          • Rob T

            I would still be wrong? Do you seriously not between saying, “Gays are assaulted out anti-gay bias” and “All assaults on gay people are due to anti-gay bias”?

            Mic T said the first. RCQ claimed he said the second.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            I am saying as you are a sodomite, you are wrong, and will remain wrong until you admit homosexuality is wrong and embrace the love and salvation of Jesus Christ.

          • Rob T

            In other words, you and RCQ are wrong about what Mic T said, so you’re…changing the subject.

          • Mic T.

            The rate of crimes against the LGBT communities in both Russia and Uganda went up exponentially after Lively’s appearances, and rose even more after the laws were put into place.

          • RCQ_92130

            You claimed these were gay hate crime attacks ~~~ without justification.

            Presumably you did NOT read Russian language newspapers to gather these, but instead got the,m from The Gay Times. Given that (and similar) are the single most dishonest and blatantly lying propaganda pieces on the planet, prudence would urge caution. but you simply spouted the list out, as if ALL were anti-gay hate crimes. Heck – we not only do not know if THAT is correct ….. I wouldn’t be surprised if the list was a complete fantasy!

            But let’s assume these assaults actually happened. you have no proof they were anti-gay-hate crimes. Were any over drug deals, like Matthew Sheppard? Were any over politics, like Harvey Milk? Were any gay-on-gay violence, like MOST anti-gay violence?

            You don;t know and do not care. You presented your list as if actually hate crimes.

            Lies.

          • Rob T

            Regardless of whether he claimed the Russian instance were all hate crimes, he did not say ALL attacks and murders of gay people were the result of hate crime.

            If you think he did, then prove it.

          • Mic T.

            No, the reports can be found in the Huffington Post, the New York Times, the Baltimore, and even Russia Today.

            Also, it has been confirmed that all of the attacks were over homosexuality. Court rulings and the natures of the attacks confirm this.

            I had the links to prove this, but this good ol’ site decided not to post the links. Just use Google to find the reports.

          • Kara Connor

            Please gve your citations and data to back up your assertion that most anto-gay hate crimes are “gay on gay” attacks. Otherwise we’ll have to conclude that you are an apologist for and supporter of violence against gay people.

          • RCQ_92130

            No problem.

            1. Reality. Violent anti-gay attacks are rare according to the FBI. Of the 1,376 reported hate crimes (sexual preference), only 36.1% were violent (almost 51% were property damage or ‘intimidation-non-violent). Thus – for the FULL YEAR, EVERY STATE, only 497 cases of violence against gays were reported.

            fbi dot gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2012/topic-pages/incidents-and-offenses/incidentsandoffenses_final

            2. Gay-on-gay violence is abundant. The CDC, through their 2012 NCAVP program, recorded 2,679 cases of domestic violence among gay ‘partners’. Forty four percent of all lesbians reported being raped or assaulted, 35% of men (lifetime).

            theatlantic dot com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-sex-domestic-violence-epidemic-is-silent/281131/

            cdcdot gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_victimization_final-a.pdf

            3. Under-reporting is prevalent in BOTH categories, but is thought to be especially so within “partnerships”

            4. Thus, gay-on-gay violence outdistances anti-gay violence by over 5 to 1!

          • RCQ_92130

            Or you may enjoy reading this:

            ——————————————

            GAY ON GAY VIOLENCE THE BIGGER THREAT

            April 25, 2014

            The following excerpts are from the article “The True Legacy of Matthew Shepard” by Chad Felix Greene on the American Thinker website: “We now know that Matthew Shepard died in a drug deal with his gay lover that cold October night in Wyoming. We know the drug was crystal meth and we all know the terrible consequences of using that drug. His death was cruel and unjustified, but it was not a hate crime and it certainly was not a brilliant light shining down upon the ugly realities of a hostile and violent heterosexual population threatening gay people. Yet why do gays still hold so tightly to this narrative?”

            “The liberal mindset seems to be perfectly comfortable with emotionally gratifying lies as long as they serve a purpose. The incident emboldened the gay left to push for aggressive hate crime laws, and despite being one of a small handful of gay bashing violence in the entire decade, the story has been continuously used as justification for gay fear of violence.” …

            “The FBI Hate Crimes report for 2011 shows 1,256 hate crimes against gay people in the U.S. That is about 0.01% of the gay population, roughly one in ten thousand.” …

            “According to the 2010 CDC report titled: The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, Sexual Violence by a non-intimate gay man was reported by 40.2% of gay men. Any violence by an intimate same-sex partner was reported by 26% of gay men. Lesbians reported 43.8% in that same category. In fact, 28.6% of heterosexual men who reported being sexually assaulted were assaulted by other men.”

            “Where exactly is this vast threat of heterosexual violence against gay people coming from again? It seems more logical to conclude that that the biggest threat of personal violence a gay man faces comes from other gay men.” …

            ex-gaytruth dot com/gay-politics/gay-on-gay-violence-the-bigger-threat/

          • RCQ_92130

            A few fun facts:

            ——————————

            The Journal of the Family Research Institute using data from the U.S. Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics and the Center for Disease Control concluded that “married men who are not separated are at least 25 times less apt to be domestically attacked than a homosexual male in an ‘on-going relationship.’ Even if we include all married and separated husbands, the risk of domestic violence in a male-male homosexual relationship is still at least 18 times greater.”[6]

            Another study indicated that 83% of homosexuals report they have been emotionally abused by homosexual partners. [7]

            The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Domestic Abuse Fact Sheet states that “11% of women in homosexual relationships and 23% of men in homosexual relationships report being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by an intimate partner”.[8]

            A study published in The Journal of Family Violence reported among its participants that “Emotional abuse was reported by 83%” of its participants.[7]

            A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical abuse. [9]

            A 1985 study of 1109 lesbians by Gwat-Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier reported that slightly more than half of the respondents indicated that they had been abused by a female partner.[10]

            Coleman, in a 1990 study of 90 lesbians reported that 46.6% had experienced repeated acts of violence.[11]

            A study of 113 lesbians reported (1994) that 41% said they had been abused in one or more relationships.[12]

            In their book, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (1991), Island and Letellier postulate that “the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.”[13]

            The Journal of Social Service Research reported in 1991 that survey of 1,099 lesbians showed that slightly more than 50 percent of the lesbians reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner, “the most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse.” [14]

            A study of lesbian couples reported (2000) in the Handbook of Family Development and Intervention “indicates that 54 percent had experienced 10 or more abusive incidents, 74 percent had experienced six or more incidents, 60 percent reported a pattern to the abuse, and 71 percent said it grew worse over time.”[15]

          • thisoldspouse

            Here’s the catch-all excuse for all this violence between homosexuals: it’s all ‘homophobic’ society’s fault – somehow.

          • RCQ_92130

            An interesting fact you should be aware of:

            * One out of three same-sex relationships has experienced domestic violence.

            * By comparison, one in every four heterosexual women experiences domestic violence in her lifetime.

            scribd dot com/doc/57833573/Domestic-Violence-in-the-LGBT-Community

          • Rob T

            And still you continue to fail to point to anything he actually said. RCQ wasn’t able to do that. Apparently neither can you.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            This is what RCQ said:


            I just read MicT’s list of alleged hate crimes against poor defenseless homosexuals in Russia. Shades of the “Poor Matthew Shepard” and “Poor Harvey Milk” false martyr claims we are so familiar with.

            It is that, and only that, I have been responding to.

            If you wanted specifics, I would have provided it if you merely asked, but then RCQ already did it.

          • Rob T

            And as I said to RCQ, citing these instances is not the same as saying along the lines of, “any time an homosexual individual, or an homosexual bath house, is assaulted it MUST BE AN ANTI-GAY ACT OF VIOLENCE,” or “there are no homosexuals beat up or killed for any reason OTHER that the poor, innocent gay victim reason.”

      • RCQ_92130

        Why are all homosexuals such liars? In your DNA?

        Here, from 1 hour ago:

        ————————————-

        November 23, 2013 – a gay club in Moscow called Central Station was gassed by unknown attackers.

        May 2013 – in Volgograd, a gay man was tortured, raped with beer bottles, and had his skull smashed with a rock.

        Last year, a Russian man was stabbed and set on fire because a group of men suspected he was gay.

        A Russian group known as Occupy Paedophilia spends their time finding gay men on dating sites, lures them to fake dates, and tortures them while filming the whole thing.

        In August 2013, Russian paratroopers attacked Krill Kalugin, a gay rights activist.

        In April 2012, a father sent his gay son to a rehab clinic after an exorcism wouldn’t “cure” his homosexuality.

        In four cases in Uganda, men accused of being gay were reported to have been kidnapped and tortured. There were 29 incidents where the media “outed” individuals who were later subjected to further persecution.

        A 17-year-old Ugandan boy killed himself by swallowing rat poison and pills on 3 April because he felt his life had no further value.

        …Need I go on?

        No one ever said that???????????????

        • Rob T

          Sure someone said that. But citing these instances is not the same as saying along the lines of, “any time an homosexual individual, or an homosexual bath house, is assaulted it MUST BE AN ANTI-GAY ACT OF VIOLENCE,” or “there are no homosexuals beat up or killed for any reason OTHER that the poor, innocent gay victim reason.”

          You simply made that up.

          • RCQ_92130

            Come on. I get your gay gene inhibits mental functioning. but really ….

            Your namesake spewed out these claims in the context of “all those poor innocent gay victims of hate crimes” My point: homosexuals do this all the time. ANY TIME an homosexual is assaulted it’s falsely represented as a hate crime for political fodder. It nauseating.

            If you STILL cannot grasp this simply matter – or are unwilling / incapable of being honest enough to admit to it – , please do not respond as this childish game of not-able-to-understand is too boring for me to continue with.

            Thanks in advance.

          • Rob T

            You can’t seem to see the difference between saying, “Gays are assaulted out anti-gay bias” and “All assaults on gay people are due to anti-gay bias.”

            There’s a huge difference. You’ve quoted people saying the first thing, but you’re claiming they’re saying the second. Where?

          • RCQ_92130

            Yes, gay-gene-impaired one. I generalized …. from the incessant and tedious stream of whining from your GayGestapo trolls here (and elsewhere) who go on and on and on and on about homosexuals being beat up all the time, murdered all the time, etc etc etc.

            THIS was the ;point Mict was trying to make by listing his little list of supposed (not proven) crimes against people who just may have happened to be homosexuals … as if proof all the poor little homosexual victims in Russia were victims of a hate crime. Nauseating.

          • Rob T

            No, you made stuff up.

          • RCQ_92130

            Yeah, OK, fine.

            Since between us an adult conversation isn’t possible, let’s just agree we shouldn’t try and avoid futile attempts.

            OK?

            Thanks in advance.

          • Rob T

            Sorry, but how am I not being adult in this conversation? I quoted you, pointed out the flaw in what you said, showed that your evidence did not back up your claim…these are all very adult things.

            Of course, having written that, I can see why you’d rather I not engage you. It never — and I do mean never — turns out well for you.

  • Rob T

    So I have polls and election results. You’ve called me a liar. Back up that accusation. What do you have to show that I am lying?

    • RCQ_92130

      Oh.

      You DO have actual data showing those not supporting HomoMarriage are in the minority in America?

      Can’t wait.

  • Matthew T. Mason

    This is a non-sequitur.

    • Kara Connor

      So you don’t deplore calls for violence against LGBT people, as I condemn threats against the author?

      • Mic T.

        Don’t worry about him. His favorite word is non-sequitur, even though he doesn’t seem to truly understand what it means exactly.

        • Kara Connor

          So it would appear. Isn’t it funny how he’s concerned enough to claim my perfectly relevant comment was a “non sequitur”, but insufficiently concerned about death threats aganst, and concentration camps for LGBT people, to actually condemn that.

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  • Sam

    The left can pound me and my family all they want with their evil propaganda on how homosexuality is “natural and normal”. It wont’ do any good. We know what god says about the behavior and we don’t believe it is right.

    • Mic T.

      I’m sorry, but the Bible is not a relevant source for hate against a community. Especially since it is not the original text. And the holiness of the text is highly subjective.

      • trueWorldview

        Gross misunderstanding of the Bible.

        Sounds like parroted talking points.

        • Mic T.

          No, I do understand the Bible. I just know that 1) after centuries of editing and translations, it bears little to no resemblance to the original text, and 2) the fact that the writer says they were inspired by God doesn’t mean that it actually was.

          • trueWorldview

            Have you read the entire Bible, first-hand?

            What is the original text?

            Are you familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls?

            Do you know how many manuscripts there are of the Hebrew and Greek texts?

          • Mic T.

            I have read books of the Bible to learn the full context of the verses that people so often quote.

            Yes, I am familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls. I’m wondering if you know what they are. More proof of the multiple editings of the Bible and the effort to eradicate all traces of the scripture that was not accepted as canon.

            There is no single text found that made up the very first collected works of the Old and New Testament. The oldest Biblical collection dates to the first century B.C. Which is why you can’t honestly say the modern Bible is accurate to the original.

          • trueWorldview

            In other words, you have not read the entire Bible yet. Is that correct?

            Reading the verses “to learn the full context of the verse that people so often quote” sounds like you are reading to use the verses to defend your viewpoint. Is it safe to presume that you have not read the entire Bible yet?

            If you haven’t yet, I encourage you to read the Bible from cover to cover with an open mind. No agenda. Nothing to prove or disprove.

            Just let the words of the pages speak to your heart.

            Take it as a Bible challenge to satisfy your curiosity.

            You might be surprised about what you might learn first hand.

            Peace.

          • Mic T.

            You know, I probably shouldn’t have answered that question about reading the Bible, because that seems to have given an excuse to completely ignore the rest of my comment. Please address the rest of my questions.

          • trueWorldview

            You do have some familiarity of the Bible. Wonderful!

            However, the credibility of your critical analysis can increase after you have had direct first-hand experience with the text.

          • trueWorldview

            Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability

            by Matt Slick

            The New Testament is constantly under attack, and its reliability and accuracy are often contested by critics. If the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better-preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy . . . and they are very consistent.

            There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament.1 If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.2

          • Mic T.

            And how accurate are the Greek texts when compared to the days when they were translated into the Romantic languages?

          • trueWorldview

            The accuracy of Greek manuscripts forms the foundation from which other languages are translated from. If any doubts, then go back to the Greek manuscripts.

          • Mic T.

            But several words had no literal translations, so the monks who translated the scriptures simply used words that they assumed meant the same thing, when in reality the real word was completely different. Look up the word “arsenokoitai,” and you’ll know what I mean.

          • trueWorldview

            Thanks for bringing up the point regarding the word “arsenokoitai.”

            It is important that an interpretation of such a word be done in the proper context of the whole Bible. Without such a critical foundation, it can be quite easy to misinterpret the word in its valid context.

            It becomes akin to what is known as “pot-luck dinner” interpretation. In other words, it can simply be an intellectual exercise of picking and choosing what one wants to believe, instead of letting the text speak theological truth into our minds. Also known as proof-texting.

            It is our common human tendency to seek justifications for our sins by using Scriptural verses to give us a way out. Adam and Eve started to shift the blame in the book of Genesis for their sin of disobedience. That inherent sin nature has caused mankind to continue the same sin patterns throughout the ages.

            Here’s an article that may help to give additional insights into how the word “arsenokoitai” is to be properly interpreted.

            Is Arsenokoitai Really that Mysterious? Taken from: equip dot org

            Not Such a Mystery. Clinical psychologist and theologian Stanton L. Jones10 admits that White effectively invokes “the mystery of arsenokoitai,” the unusual word Paul uses in 1Corinthians6:9 and 1Timothy 1:10 that is commonly translated “homosexual sin.”11This, however, is not such a mystery, he argues, and its unraveling reveals a more complex picture of Paul’s use of Leviticus.
            Leviticus18:22and 20:13 forbid a man lying with another man as one would with a woman. Leviticus was originally written in Hebrew, but Paul was a Greek-educated Jew writing to Gentiles in Greek, the common language of the day, and probably was using the Greek translation of the Old Testament available in that day, the Septuagint, or LXX, for his Scripture quotations.
            The Greek translation of these Leviticus passages condemns a man (arseno) lying with (koitai) another man (arseno); these words (excuse the pun) lie side-by-side in these passages in Leviticus. Paul joins these two words together into a neologism, a new word (as we do in saying database or software), and thus he condemns in 1Corinthians and 1Timothy what was condemned in Leviticus.
            Jones believes, then, that the most credible translation of what Paul is condemning in 1Corinthians6:9 is a person doing exactly what Leviticus condemns: engaging in homosexual sex (a man being a “man-lier”). Far from dismissing the relevance of Leviticus, Paul is implicitly invoking its enduring validity for our understanding of sexual sin, and drawing on it as the foundation of his teaching on homosexual conduct. He is saying, “Remember what it said not to do in Leviticus18:22and 20:13? Don’t do that!”
            Sparse and Ambiguous Evidence? Theologian John H. Elliott, Professor Emeritus of Theology and Religious Studies at the University of San Francisco, has written one of the most thorough studies of 1Corinthians6:9-10 to date.12 He concludes that “nothing in 1Corinthians, or for that matter in any other biblical writing, speaks directly of the biological or psychological condition of homosexuality or homosexual ‘orientation’ as this is understood today and as it concerns believing Christian gay persons intent on worshipping and serving God.”13
            A Dubious Hope. Elliott’s argument does offer additional backing to White’s argument. However, we need search no further than theologian Robert A.J. Gagnon’s excellent rebuttal to the type of argument put forth by Elliott.15 Space constraints will not permit the development of the details of any one particular proposition he puts forth, but a summary of the most prevalent points makes a case strong enough to call in to question Elliott’s support of White’s argument and, in turn, White’s argument itself.
            Proposition 1. To broaden the word arsenokoitai to include exploitive heterosexual intercourse appears unlikely in view of the unqualified nature of the Levitical prohibitions.16
            Proposition 2. In every instance in which the arsenokoit word group occurs in a context that offers clues as to its meaning (i.e., beyond mere inclusion in a vice list), it denotes homosexual intercourse.17
            Proposition 3. The term arsenokoitai itself indicates an inclusive sense: all men who play the active role in homosexual intercourse. Had Paul intended to single out pederasts he could have used the technical term paiderastïs.18
            Proposition 4. The meaning that Paul gave to arsenokoitai has to be unpacked in light of Romans1:24-27. When Paul speaks of the sexual intercourse of “males with males” (arsenes en arsenes) in v.27, he obviously has in mind arsenokoitai.19
            Based on these propositions and others he explores, Gagnon boldly states that “others would have us believe that it is an open question whether arsenokoitai in Paul’s mind would have applied to all forms of same-sex intercourse, including the kinds of non-exploitative forms allegedly manifested in our contemporary context,” but “this dubious hope has to be maintained in the face of many additional obstacles.”20 Gagnon concludes that 1Corinthians6:9 confirms that Paul’s rejection of homosexual conduct is just as applicable for believers as for unbelievers and that it is self-evident, then, that the combination of terms, malakoi and arsenokoitai, are correctly understood in our contemporary context when they are applied to every conceivable type of same-sex intercourse.
            Having more closely documented the particular use of the word arsenokoitai and its consistent witness in the NT, we have discovered that homosexual sin in 1Corinthians6:9-10 isn’t as culturally relevant as many who support the pro-homosexual agenda to normalize aberrant sexual behavior would have us believe.
            – C. Wayne Mayhall

          • Mic T.

            Many Biblical scholars agree that arsenokoitai referred to men who took advantage of another person sexually.

          • trueWorldview

            Thus, “arsenokoitai” was properly interpreted as “homosexual sin.”

          • Mic T.

            Uhhh…no. Wrong. Next.

          • trueWorldview

            Unfortunately, not having the vantage point of the entire Bible in perspective can obviously skew one’s ability to properly interpret the verse.

            Again, try reading the Bible from cover to cover with an open mind.

            It is the world’s best selling book.

            It is the one book banned in many countries.

            Many have died or been in imprisoned for being caught having possession of the Bible.

            The Bible is one of the most hated books in the world.

            But the Bible is also one of the most loved books in the world.

          • trueWorldview

            As you can see, there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.

            Almost all biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the First Century. If Jesus was crucified in A.D. 30., then that means the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned–people who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts.

            Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing (John Rylands Papyri A.D. 125). This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing, and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document.

            Below is a chart with some of the oldest extant New Testament manuscripts compared to when they were originally penned. Compare these time spans with the next closest, which is Homer’s Iliad, where the closest copy from the original is 500 years later. Undoubtedly, that period of time allows for more textual corruption in its transmission. How much less so for the New Testament documents?

      • Sam

        Who said I hated gay people? I just don’t like their nasty behavior. Don’t confuse the two.

        • Mic T.

          Define “nasty behavior,” please.

          • thisoldspouse

            I think it would be easier, and more instructive, if YOU would define “nasty behavior.” (If you even can.)

          • Mic T.

            Well, the term “nasty” is such a vague word with many different connotations, but for now I’ll assume you mean sexually speaking. Well, I consider nasty behavior to be anything that is not consensual or not between two un-related adults. I, and many other people, also know that sex is something not to be taken lightly. If two people love each other with all their heart, then their relationship should not be criticized or judged.

          • Sam

            two men or two women having sex with each other is pretty nasty.

          • Mic T.

            That’s only your opinion. I find nothing wrong with it. In fact, I find it quite beautiful. At least, no nastier than sex between a man and a woman.

          • Sam

            you have a perverted view of what is true and good.

          • Mic T.

            No, you have a very narrow-minded, almost childish view of good and evil.

          • Sam

            I go by what God says is evil. I don’t believe in humanism, where people make up their own morals. Hitler and Stalin thought they were right, too, and they made up their own morals.

          • Mic T.

            Humanists don’t “make up” their own morals. It’s not that simple.

  • http://love1st.wordpress.com/ Rev.Gerald Palmer,MSW

    Didn’t Scott receive death threats before the HRC report? Is the HRC report not accurate? How does he know that these men are HRC agents? People who send death threats are sick and I wouldn’t want anyone to go through that. As a straight ally to the LGBT community I have faced death threats and physical and verbal confrontations from other Christians.

    Lastly, I agree with HRC list. Scott Lively is truly the worst of the worst and still he deserves love and respect even though he doesn’t give the same to those in the LGBT community. His work is the proof.

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  • localhistorywriter

    That second comment doesn’t qualify as a death threat. The writer is saying what he’d LIKE to see done, not what he’s going to do. I find it interesting, though, that the Scott Livelys and Matt Barbers of the world never blamed their companion organizations for inciting the assassination of Dr. Tiller. Wonder why.