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An Open Letter to Christian Leaders in America

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On June 28, 1969 the homosexual political movement, which had previously defined its goal as “the right to be left alone,” took a militant turn. At the Stonewall Bar on Christopher Street in New York City, “gay” activists rioted against police who tried to arrest an underage “drag queen” prostitute. That episode of violent rebellion is now commemorated annually as “Gay Pride Day.”

Their inspiration was Herbert Marcuse, the German-born philosopher and political strategist who headed the “Frankfort School” of Cultural Marxism. From a perch in the highest branches of American academia Marcuse railed against “the repressive order of procreative sexuality” and called for the “disintegration of the…monogamic and patriarchal family.”*

In 1972, two hundred homosexual organizations, representing the entire LGBT movement, met in Chicago to outline their Marcusian agenda: a blueprint for supplanting Biblical morality with sexual anarchy — in essence, the overthrow of family-centered Christian civilization.

In 1973, their “long march through the institutions” began with the political takeover of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to redefine homosexuality as psychologically healthy.

In 2013, after just forty years, the last secular institution to resist LGBT bullying was finally subdued: the Boy Scouts of America.

One last barrier to “gay“ cultural hegemony remains: the Christian church. All of the battle-hardened “gay rights” activists with all of their formidable resources are mobilized for an assault on Christianity itself under the hijacked rainbow banner of “Gay Theology.” Indeed, the process has already begun, like the retreat of the tide before the tsunami.

Recently I debated a young Christian pop star named Vicky Beeching on a British news program. Beeching, an attractive and charismatic woman with a large following among young people, has “come out” as a lesbian to tremendous fanfare by the secular media. She will undoubtedly lead many astray, but, importantly, she is only one agent among tens of thousands poised to lay siege to Biblical truth both from without and within the church walls.

In late 2013 I began working on a simple tool to warn and equip the church to resist the impending onslaught. That finished tool is a brochure titled “NOT Just Another Sin” which succinctly summarizes the Biblical case against homosexuality from Genesis to Revelation. In short, the Bible identifies rampant homosexuality in society as the harbinger of God’s wrath. It is decidedly Not “just another sin.”

This is not a marketing campaign. We are not offering the brochure for sale. We simply want your help to quickly disseminate the brochure to every Christian leader in America. We will provide as many copies of this brochure as you can use at our cost of $.07 per piece plus shipping and whatever donation you feel led to offer.** Alternatively, if you provide us an up-to-date list of pastors or other leaders we will send it to them ourselves (but please provide help with postage). Or if you desire to print your own supply, we will send you the artwork. If for any reason you dislike the brochure, we exhort you to take action in your own way to spread the warning and rally believers against this dangerous modern heresy called “gay theology.”

Finally, if you have the courage to risk slander and persecution for associating with us, I am one of a small group of highly educated and experienced pro-family advocates available on a limited basis for speaking, seminars and Christian media interviews at sdllaw@gmail.com. The “perilous times” of II Timothy 3 have come. Let us stand together in Truth as His remnant,

Pastor Scott Lively, J.D., Th.D.

* Facts cited in this letter are documented in my article “Gay Agenda? What Gay Agenda?” at www.scottlively.net

** Donations should be made out to Abiding Truth Ministries, PO Box 2373, Springfield, MA 01101 or online at www.defendthefamily.com/help/donate.php

Watch Pastor Lively’s debate with unrepentant homosexual and apostate singer/songwriter Vicky Beeching:

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  • Laura

    This woman is pure evil.

    • Reasonoverhate

      This author is pure evil. There, I fixed it for you!

      • ShepherdsLamb

        Isaiah 5:20

        • Halou

          Armaments 2:9-21

          • helligusvart

            Excuse-moi?

        • Gigi

          Revelations 21:8, a special warning for Scott Lively from God: “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

      • helligusvart

        Also wrong. Scott Lively is a godsend.

        • Reasonoverhate

          If Lively is a “godsend” then it must be by the same “god” that is responsible for the beheading of an innocent American in Iraq!

          • helligusvart

            No, the God in question is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as well as Christians everywhere. You don’t like Scott cuz you know he’s right.

          • Reasonoverhate

            Lively is about as far right fringe as you can get. He’s not right about anything concerning sexuality!

          • DennisD

            actually I don’t like Scott Lively because he is warped, irrational, and self-aggrandizing in the extreme…and because he uses Christianity to denigrate & marginalize others while bolstering his own ego and his own bank account.

          • Gigi

            God hates false prophets like Lively. “But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” (Deuteronomy 18:20)

        • Find the Truth

          No, he’s a false prophet distorting the word of God for his own financial gain…

          • Truth Offends

            What do you think of Paul saying that “fornicators” who call themselves “brother” (“Christians”) are “wicked” people who Christians should “put away from among (them)selves,” people who Christians should not even eat with?

          • Find the Truth

            Where in the Ten Commadments did God tell us that homosexuality was wrong? Oh that’s right, God didn’t tell us that…Where in the Two Commandments of Jesus did he tell us that homosexuality was wrong? Oh that’s right, Jesus didn’t tell us that…he told us to love God with all our heart and soul and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Paul never met Jesus, he in fact was a hunter of early Christians, he only became a believer after the fact. Pauls words are his, they do not represent God or Jesus… Paul was a man and deeply flawed like the rest of us…

          • Truth Offends

            Which commandments in the Bible are the commandments you believe Christians should obey?

          • Gigi

            God does tells us not to bear false witness in the Ten Commandments. He also warns us against the sin of bearing false witness in Proverbs 19:5, 19:9, Exodus 20:16 and in Proverbs 6:16-19 The Lord says He hates those who bear false witness, calling it an abomination. In Revlations 21:8 He says that “all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Good luck on Judgment Day Scott.

          • Gigi

            Here’s what Paul wrote about judgmental people like Lively:
            “You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?” (Romans 2:1-3) I’ve addressed his other abominable sins above.

          • Truth Offends

            When did he, according to you, “pass judgment” on others?
            If you truly believe that’s what he did, then you should be able to give at least one specific example.

          • Gigi

            I agree. I didn’t see your comment before I posted mine above.

    • ShepherdsLamb

      I don’t necessarily think she’s evil. She’s deceived, but not evil.

      • thisoldspouse

        Exactly, she has succumbed to evil. But if she persists, she will be culpable in evil.

        • Azima Khan

          If being attracted to women is evil, Scott Deathly is also evil

          • thisoldspouse

            You are a lost cause when it come to thinking abilities. Have you thought about gaming for your full-time occupation?

          • Azima Khan

            If a man is allowed to be attracted to women it makes sense that a woman be. If you’re a man you understand her feelings fully. If they aren’t “evil” coming from you they’re not evil coming from her. Think about how you’re attracted to women, then try to comprehend how that could possibly be understood as “evil”.

            I thought morality in your worldview was black and white.

          • SouthernPatriot

            There is an Objective Standard that Christians are supposed to live by, not your opinion or mine. That Standard remains the Word of God, also known as the Holy Bible. Numerous scriptures address fornication, adultery, and reprobate sexual behavior. Just look in the Concordance if you are having a hard time.

          • Azima Khan

            There isn’t really an objective standard, if there was who would be the authority? The author of the Bible isn’t here to clear up disagreements about its teachings, that’s why numerous sects of Christianity exist.

          • SouthernPatriot

            Not usually. Usually, a sect branches off due to personality conflicts or following a non-agreeable man or group, sort of like satan when he rebelled against Almighty God and led one-third of the angels in his rebellion.

    • Halou

      Scott Lively is not a woman.
      At least I hope not, the wife would be most displeased if that were the case.

    • helligusvart

      No, Laura, she’s caught up in one the worst forms of bondage known to man. Read Galations 6:1.

    • Patrick

      Laura, you have some pretty messed up priorities if this woman is your idea of “pure evil”. With all the murderers, rapists, drug lords, war criminals, psychopaths, woman beaters, child molesters, corrupt politicians, sweat-shop capitalists, human traffickers, racists, bullies, and heartless individuals out there, how does a lesbian pop-star earn the title of “pure evil”?

      • thisoldspouse

        Evil often parades around with a smile and a handshake. That you are so deceived about the wiles and superficial disguises of Evil reveals how deep in inroad it has made into your thinking.

        • Patrick

          That you are so comfortable labeling someone you know so little about as “pure evil” simply for being open about themselves reveals how easy it must be for someone to earn that title, making it effectively meaningless.

    • jillybean

      Why is she pure evil? She admitted she struggles with same sex attractions which she has not yet acted on. She believes God loves her same sex attractions and all. If this makes her pure evil in your eyes, what words do you have for murderers and rapists?

      • thisoldspouse

        Read further in her narrative; she is approving of homosexuality and claims that God does, too. She freely admits that she wants to change the Church’s teaching on this issue.

  • Mark Davies

    Totally deceived!! We must pray for her!

    • thisoldspouse

      Even worse, she is deceiving. Many young, immature Christians will be influenced toward sin because of her soapbox.

  • Michex

    Except for places such as this, the media will not tell readers about things such as how the homosexual agenda has penetrated (no pun intended) into schools, including the youngest grades. “Brainwash them while they’re young”. By the way I am told that Lively is running for governor. Let’s support him.

    • Find the Truth

      What exactly is the “homosexual agenda” you refer to??? I believe all they want is the same rights the rest of us have and as our Constitution guarantees…

      • Greg

        There never was anything in the constitution or Bill of Rights covering rights for behavior such as perversion.

        • Find the Truth

          You see…YOU don’t get to make those decisions, if you want a country where hate is the central tenet of your religion move to Saudi Arabia and join the religious police. We in America, I’m not sure you live here, believe in equality for ALL people…even you.

          • Greg

            Most do want equality for ALL PEOPLE, but not equality for all BEHAVIOR.

    • DennisD

      what the media needs to do is remind its readers that the opposition to this alleged “gay agenda” (a tired, lazy, and erroneous piece of propagandistic labeling) is being disingenuous if not hypocritical in attacking the idea of so-called “brainwashing” since it is exactly what they want to do, except based on their ideologically-warped, theocratic agenda.

      • Greg

        Kinda like the ones with the agenda, using “homophobe”, “bigots”, “haters”, among many others.

        • DennisD

          well, when someone (whose only “agenda” is to be treated equally under the laws of their country) is confronted with hate, bigotry and irrational dislike for who they inherently are as a human being, they tend to use the correct terminology to define those condemning them.

    • RCQ_92130

      Agree completely. The most evil and foul of all is the targeting, by the GayGestapo, of our youth – brainwashing and indoctrinating them before they have a chnace to develop their own critical thinking skills and discern right from evil.

  • scottrose

    Does Scott Lively know any long term same sex couples? He doesn’t seem to be willing to get to know gay people as human beings. He’s likely a closet case. And however that may be, he thinks of “homosexuals” as twisted caricatures, and not as flesh-and-blood human beings. He should make a good faith effort to become friends with some long term same sex couples. He shouldn’t have an anti-gay agenda with them; he should make a sincere effort to get to know them as friends. Doesn’t fit his current business model, I know; but he would feel so much better if he would shed his unbecoming anti-gay bigotry.

    • Halou

      In his mind, all gay men (specifically, though not lesbians for some mysterious reason) are child killing ultra-Nazis who would attempt holocaust 2.0 the moment they get the chance. Every evil in the world that has ever happened, is currently happening, or ever will happen in future is done solely by the hands of gay men who have an irrational hatred of other gay men (closet case much?). He has gone on public record saying as much, even published a book about it.

      • helligusvart

        You need to slow down, take a deep breath, and start over again, this time using rational thought processes.

        • Azima Khan

          They are, these are all things Scott Lively has actually said. He’s utterly obsessed

    • helligusvart

      You people always like to think that anyone who doesn’t approve of homosexuality is a “closet case.” If this were true, 99% of the people in all of history would have been closet cases.

      • scottrose

        But to look at this another way, if all heterosexuals demonized out gay and lesbian people, then there wouldn’t be major Christian churches with out gay and/or lesbian married clergy, and majority heterosexual parishioners. Bigotry is bigotry.

        • helligusvart

          I haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re saying.

      • Patrick

        Consider the track record that anti-gay activists have. How many times have these guys been photographed in gay bars, or caught cruising in airport bathrooms, or seen on vacation with rent boys? It’s practically a stereotype at this point.

        • thisoldspouse

          Or run an underage “gay” brothel out of their basement… Oops!, not straight, but a congressman.

      • Azima Khan

        Actually more than one study has indicated that viciously anti-gay people like Lively are more likely to be aroused by gay porn than the general population.

        Google it

        • Greg

          Explain why it is, that Scott is vicious.

          • Azima Khan

            “Vicious” according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary;
            – very violent and cruel
            – very dangerous
            – having or showing very angry or cruel feelings

            He’s angry, he’s cruel and he’s dangerous.

          • RCQ_92130

            wow.

            THAT passes as an explanation and as proof in the world of GayGestapo?

            How quaint.

          • Azima Khan

            What would it be proof of? I was asked to explain why I used the word vicious, I responded with the definition of the word vicious.

          • RCQ_92130

            you defined the word and then expressed an OPINION. Please – you claim to have brain cells. Use them.

          • Azima Khan

            Proof he’s angry? Look at how much time he dedicates to ruining lives. Proof he’s cruel? He inspired a law that would have called for the MURDER of gay people in Uganda, proof he’s dangerous? Refer to previous point.

    • James

      “Make a good faith effort to become friends with some long term same sex couples”?

      That sounds dangerously like loving gay and lesbian people as Christ loves them… and there’s obviously no place for that in Mr. Lively’s movement.

      • thisoldspouse

        Lively took a gay man into his home to live with his family during his last days dying from AIDS. Watch your lying mouth when making hateful assumptions about Scott Lively’s associations and familiarity with homosexuals.

    • thisoldspouse

      Please define “long term.” Two weeks?

    • David

      that “he’s likely a closet case” BS is so tired.

      • scottrose

        Let’s see: Reverend Ted Haggard, huge anti-gay preacher, discovered to be gay; Bishop Eddie Long, huge anti-gay preacher, discovered to be gay. Et cetera. Not to mention that the psychological underpinnings of the phenomenon have been well described and documented.

        But beyond that, closet case or no, what is Lively’s excuse for demonizing gay people and gay couples without knowing any deeply as friends?

        How can you howl and scream against gay couples’ rights when you don’t even know any same-sex couples as friends?

        • David

          I don’t disagree at all with your last sentence. Lively is particularly vicious and I don’t know why. I believe it is possible to disagree with some of the things happening in the area of LGBT/conservative Christian relations without being ugly. If one keeps in mind that we are all people due respect it changes the playing field as far as I’m concerned.

  • Truth Offends

    Paul called sexually immoral professing “brothers” (Christians).…”wicked”.
    (1 Cor 5:1-13)

    • thisoldspouse

      Very true. The “welcoming at all costs” heresy is demonic. Even Christ removed himself, or threatened to do so, from those who refused to bow to his lordship. “You shall have no part with me.”

  • ArBeAfrica

    She seems quite angry and beyond reason…totally consumed and driven to her own end. She’s taken the throne of her life and thrown Christ off.

  • Find the Truth

    Interesting to note that a “Christian” like Lively believes he can cast aspersions on other Christians that don’t fit his “view” of the Word. Interesting to note that Lively believes that he can speak for God himself, if God had considered homosexuality a sin surely God would have prohibited it when he gave Moses the Ten Commandments, yet God didn’t, but little Scott thinks God is wrong. Jesus also gave us Two Commandments…one of them called the GREATEST COMMANDMENT which says that we must love God with all our heart and soul. The Second Commandment from Jesus was to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Little Scotty forgot to mention anything about the Commandments in his little brochure of hatred towards his neighbors. Perhaps Scotty is misinformed because he went to a law school that the American Bar Association DOES NOT RECOGNIZE… He calls himself highly educated, he isn’t, he’s just another hater and false prophet out to fleece the sheep.

    • RCQ_92130

      Yep. God screwed up big time.

      He forgot to include homosexuality, kleptomania, pedophilia, home invasion, carjacking, stalking, kidnapping, DUI, election fraud, mumbling something non-complimentary about homosexuals, possession of an unregistered weapon, manufacture & sale of drugs, racketeering, pollution/hazardous materials, public drunkenness, spreading AIDS, manufacturing pornography, bulimia, hypochondria,….

      and other self destructive behaviors.

      What a bone head that God fellow is, huh?

      • Find the Truth

        Homosexuality isn’t a crime committed by individuals…most of the rest of the things you listed are crimes. Don’t try to cofuse the issue, if God didn’t want homosexuals, he wouldn’t have created homosexuals…yet he did. Lively is the bonehead false prophet using hate for financial gain, in direct violation of the Commandment to love your neighbor as yourself…Scott doesn’t love anybody, only himself and his reflection in the mirror.

        • RCQ_92130

          God did not create homosexuals any more than He did alcoholics, murderers, satanists, etc.

          Each homosexual may have his or her own story of abuse or neglect, leading them to the world of homosexuality. but each such individual is, today, personally and individually responsible for their decision to STAY in that world today, tomorrow, and for each succeeding day of their lives.

          No one — NO ONE — has a gun to your head.

          • Find the Truth

            You are deceived by the false prophet…don’t let him lead you straight to he!!…homosexuality isn’t a crime or a disease. It occurs naturally…in other words God creates a small percentage of homosexuals in every batch of humans delivered to the world. The idea that all homosexuals have been damaged by abuse is just flat fiction created in the minds of those who wish to find a reason to hate. Scott is one of those haters and you must be too…

          • RCQ_92130

            sigh.

            47% of all adult gay men were molested when a child, per the NIH. There is no stronger correlation between a possible causal factor and the result.

          • shepetgene

            That’s probably not “per the NIH” that’s probably per a study housed at PubMed which is maintained by the NIH. To be clear.

          • Find the Truth

            Bull…

          • RCQ_92130

            Yeah, well one thing is critical and vital —

            DO NOT exercise your Google skills and learn, because you DO NOT want your little brain thingie to be polluted with contra information or anything. THAT would be unbearable.

  • DennisD

    I say we should be thankful Scott Lively exists so we have someone in charge of sitting in judgement and deciding who gets to be called a Christian and who doesn’t. I wonder if he has a certificate or a license or something official that proves he is THE ONE who confers and approves the status of Christian? then again, as he so arrogantly reminds us in his self-serving final paragraph, he is part of a “small group of highly educated and experienced pro-family advocates” … so I assume that’s the thing that makes him THE ONE (as long as we ignore the other members of that select group).

    • Find the Truth

      Exactly…Lively is a modern day Henry VIII who has decreed himself THE ONE who sits in judgement….and to think, these are the individuals who claim they are being persecuted…all the while plotting to become the persecutor.

    • RCQ_92130

      It’s sad someone with your intellect so misunderstands such simple and basic issues!

      Pastor Lively does no sit in judgment. Pastor lively does not determine who is or is not a follower of Christ. Christ does.

      No one needs a certificate or license to follow Christ. We have his Word.

      Read it. Study it. Return to the light.

      • DennisD

        when Scott Lively publicly criticizes other Christians because what they believe and/or the way they express their faith does not meet with his approval, then yes he is sitting in judgment. and don’t worry, I read and studied the Word for years…but I do not find any of the Light of which you speak in “Pastor” Lively’s warped and self-serving application of his faith.

        • RCQ_92130

          So … despite your claim to have “studied the Word for years”, you can’t recall a single instruction to reproach unrepentant sinners, flee from immorality, not add or subtract a single word, etc etc etc. How odd.

          Lively does not criticize other “Christians” because his and their beliefs are different. He does so because others, without repenting and in open denial, refuse to follow the Word. It’s really not more complicated than that.

          ps: by “the Word” I am not referring to, as an example, the progressive distortion of the bible crafted by the Episcopal ‘church’ so it better fits with the modern day desires of the flesh. Just so you know ….

          • DennisD

            I don’t arrogantly presume to know whether another person is repentant or not; nor do I judge their individual morality against the doctrines of a faith they may not have chosen to follow (though others may expect that they should). and along the lines of adding & subtracting, I also do not selectively, publicly, and politically rail against one sin or abomination while intentionally and conveniently “forgetting” to be just as adamant about all the others.

          • RCQ_92130

            So your personal groundrule is this: If one does not speak out about each and every sin, he or she is not permitted to speak out about any sin.

            Odd. I never read Paul saying this.

          • DennisD

            no…but please…this is not just a matter of someone deciding not to speak about the other sins. when one’s outrage is obstinately limited to one sin, that is a political agenda not piety or fidelity to religious beliefs.

          • RCQ_92130

            says … oh, you.

            I’m happy for each and every individual who has taken up the cross to speak about any particular sin. It’s not like we have a shortage.

            One difference, though: I have not heard of the AdultryGestapo, seeking to convince others that adultery isn’t really a sin and is hunky dorey.

          • SouthernPatriot

            Or Murderers Anonymous forcing their view on everyone, so they can continue whatever they want to do. It is a puzzle, isn’t it? hmmm.

          • RCQ_92130

            Anyone who does not support the demands of Murderers Anonymous for equality and equal rights is a hater and a bigot.

          • DennisD

            that’s partially my point: perhaps if the people taking up those crosses were equally vehement and fervent in their social, political, judicial, and legislative attacks on adulterers, you might see a response. though I don’t imagine the level of their response would warrant a cheap & lazy comparison to Nazis.then again, since we do not live in a society where we are required to live by the definitions of sin as your religion sees it, the point may be moot.

          • RCQ_92130

            I think the comparison to Nazis is because of the Naziesque tactics and hatred so often evidence from the gay activist community.

          • Greg

            I don’t know why God has called Scott to focus on this one sin, but it could be that at this point in time, it is the most devastating and destructive to the Kingdom of God.

          • Find the Truth

            God didn’t call Lively to focus on this…God loves, he doesn’t hate…Neither you or Lively should make the mistake of believing that you are speaking for God, that’s blasphemous.

          • RCQ_92130

            Who said Lively hates?

            God does not love sin, BTW

          • Find the Truth

            Yet God himself is the judge, he didn’t appoint you or Lively as a stand in…I say Lively hates, you can’t talk about a group of people the way he does without hating them. Of course, Lively may just be performing or playing a role in order to fleece the sheep of their life savings…You can’t tell me that ANY man who calls himself a man of God can speak the way Lively does. On Judgement Day…Scott will have many sins to answer for, it won’t be a good day for him.

          • RCQ_92130

            Correction: He specifically called us to reproach sinners. Read up.

          • Greg

            What exactly did Lively say, that conveys hate?

          • DennisD

            how?

          • Find the Truth

            Paul was just a man…he may have been converted by Jesus but that doesn’t make everything he said valid or correct.

          • RCQ_92130

            I have no idea how you know of anything Paul said … other than what is recorded in the Bible. Have you sources of Paul’s words from other sources?

            What is recorded in the Bible IS valid and correct —- or do you believe God is a liar?

          • Gigi

            Paul said this in Romans 2:1-3, “You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?”

          • RCQ_92130

            Correcting the sinner is not ‘being judgmental’ – it is an essential work of charity. Those who worship the flesh have improperly latched onto Rom2:1-3 as if it were the entire Bible, using it as a club against Christians to force them to “go along” with any and all sin. The “Judgment” Paul speaks about is one of salvation, which is reserved to God only. but we are SPECIFICALLY instructed to rebuke and admonish those in sin:

            1 Timothy 5:20. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

            2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

            2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

            Titus 2:15 Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

            James 5:20 Let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

            Luke 17:3-4 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to
            you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”

            There are may similar passages.

          • jillybean

            I agree that correcting the sinner is an essential work of charity. There seems to be no shortage of eager volunteers apparently competing with one another to provide gays with the most scathing, angry, and contemptuous corrections.

          • RCQ_92130

            Yes and no.

            YES: Of course, some are angry and contemptuous in any group (incl. Christians), but in the main Christians are not vile toward gays. HOWEVER … I have seen myself react with anger, not patience, when certain gay activists trolling here become insulting and especially wicked. So, yes – this happens on occasion.

            NO Many homosexuals, when faced with Scripture, become angry and claim “Bigot! Hater! Scathing! Contemptuous!”. This, of course, is because homosexuals do not wish to face the evil in their behavior and rail against those who hold the truth up for them to see. This should NOT deter Christians from holding the truth up for them to see.

          • jillybean

            Of course there are gays who argue in unpleasant and unfair ways, just as there are Christians who do the same. But I was not applying the terms scathing, angry, and contemptuous to people who quote Scripture in the hope of convincing gays that God has condemned sodomy–along with every other sexual sin. I am talking about people who apply vile (not Biblical) names to gays, who say they are happy about people dying from AIDS, and who say they can’t wait to watch gays be pitched into the lake of fire. There is no shortage of people who do this apparently believing that they are doing God’s work. It is hard for me to believe that people who talk like this are primarily motivated by concern for sinners. It is even harder for me to believe that these people understand that they too are sinners in need of a merciful Savior.

          • RCQ_92130

            Clearly you bump into people who behave differently than those I bump into. Yes, there are one or two every once in a while who behave as you describe. But what I see are: statistically, almost zero. And those few we see appear to be embittered by the rampant, pernicious and intolerant gay activism. That in no way excuses it, but – as with an abused or neglected child – makes the reaction more understandable.

            on the other hand … the amount of hatred, bullying and venom from gay activists ………….

            geesh!

          • Mark Austin

            Just as everyone should force Christians who eat pork, cut their hair, wear mixed fibers, get divorced, eat shrimp, or do anything else in Leviticus to face their Scriptural sins. We should force them to repent and stop their evil ways (like watching football on Sunday), or be damned forever in the fires of hell for eternity.

          • RCQ_92130

            I really wish homosexuals and atheists would read something other than The Gay Times or The Atheist Gazette, and do something other than pick up talking points instead of actually learning. Your age-old intentional misinterpretation of Leviticus is really, really boring.

            How about you actually STUDY that you use as references for your beliefs so you KNOW what you are talking about? Just for a change of pace ….

        • Greg

          Have you not read, followers of Christ are told that when they see a fellow believer falling into sin, to confront that believer and encourage them to repent.

          • Gigi

            We would rebuke Lively but he’s proven time and time again that he’s not a follower of Christ. This is my message to him,
            “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44)

          • Greg

            What are the lies that Scott has been telling?

          • Gigi

            Have you heard of Google? It’s all there.

          • Greg

            Just as I thought. You can’t mention any, because it’s really all the Truth.

          • Gigi

            See above.

          • Greg

            Like I said above.

    • John Byde

      Exactly wrong. It’s not Scott sitting in judgement, he’s just retelling what the bible says.

    • Martin Rizley

      Until very recently all branches of professing Christendom have been absolutely unanimous in their understanding of human sexuality as designed by God; namely, that God designed sex to be enjoyed solely and exclusively within the sacred bonds of marriage defined as the lifelong union of a man and a woman. Scott Lively is simply echoing the unanimous declaration of all Christian churches throughout history until the very recent past; and those so-called ‘churches’ which have embraced a redefinition of marriage have, as a general rule, abandoned many other biblical teachings prior to that. So it is not that Mr. Lively, as a lone individual, has authority to define what is Christian, from a biblical and historical standpoint. It is that words mean something. Unless you are willing to say the word “Christian” is meaningless or has as many different meanings as there are people in the world (which amounts to the same thing), then the burden of proof is on you to show how Mr. Lively’s understanding of marriage is sectarian in terms of the larger Christian community. The fact is, it is not. Different churches have disagreed on many points of doctrine, but until quite recently, there has never been any disagreement on what marriage is essentially– the union of a man and a woman. There has never been any historic controversy over that assertion. All branches of Christ’s church have upheld the same understanding. Abandon that, and you abandon the historic teaching of the church. You certainly abandon everything Jesus Christ Himself taught on marriage.

  • JPT

    “In 1991, Lively assaulted Catherine Stauffer, throwing her against a wall and dragging her across the floor of a Portland church, at an Oregon Citizens Alliance (OCA) event she had been trying to film.” ~ from the Wikipedia article on Lively.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      Flagged. Not only irrelevant, but slanderous.

      • Azima Khan

        This entire site is nothing but slander.

        • RCQ_92130

          I am happy you will no longer sully your little feathers by visiting this abhorrent site.

          • Azima Khan

            It’s good for a laugh though.

          • RCQ_92130

            As long as you are long gone …….

          • Azima Khan

            Do you value the comments section of this site so much that pro-LGBT people being banned would have a positive impact on your life? That is twofold silly; firstly for seeing any value at all in this site, secondly for seeing any value in the comments section of a site.

          • RCQ_92130

            Noooo — “banning” people is the tactic of the GayGestapo. YOU of all people, should know that. I have no desire or interest in quelling free speech.

            Obnoxious trolling, on the other hand, is quite obnoxious.

          • Azima Khan

            You do realise you’re accusing us of quelling free speech in an article written by a man who participated in the elimination free speech in both Uganda and Russia, right?

            He helped make it illegal to voice the opinion that being gay is okay. He fought against free speech.

          • RCQ_92130

            You do realize that one person’s attempts to quell free speech are in no way affected by any other person’s behavior. YOUR efforts to ban free speech stand on their own diseased legs.

          • Azima Khan

            What efforts have I made to ban free speech? I’m all for free speech. I do think people should be held accountable for promoting violence as Lively has, though.

          • RCQ_92130

            Sigh.

            The use of the word “YOUR” here implies a group, not any individual (since, in context, we are speaking about the desire of GayGestapo – a GROUP – to silence opposing views.

          • Azima Khan

            And what has the pro-LGBT side done to quell free speech?

          • RCQ_92130

            I’ll not pretend with you that you are so ignorant or clueless.

          • Azima Khan

            Every time I ask you to back something you said up with a quote or proof or a study or anything, you say something along the lines of “I’ll not pretend with you”.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Then why are you here, except to troll?

          • Azima Khan

            I thought I told you before, it’s a nice way to relax while taking a break from things that require actual thinking skills. The things said on this site are so absurdly basic and stupid that it doesn’t require effort to see through them, and it’s a bit fun too.

          • RCQ_92130

            I think we all are surprised you exercise such skills elsewhere. Why not here?

          • Azima Khan

            There’s no way to exercise critical thinking skills on this site. The fact is that the two sides of the argument are very distinct, and nothing comes from your side that is worth considering. Your side is fortified against any sort of logical and sensible argument that could make you reconsider, so there’s no serious effort to be made in convincing you of the truth, it simply won’t happen.

            Really you could say our side is equally stubborn, but in our case we actually know what we’re talking about.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            It’s comments like this that convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt you are just trolling. The things you have said in the past have absolutely no reflection on fact or reality.

          • Azima Khan

            I never said I wasn’t, and I was very clear about why I do it too. It’s a nice way to relax.

          • RCQ_92130

            “There’s no way to exercise critical thinking skills on this site. ”

            >> for you.

            Of THAT I have no doubt.

          • Azima Khan

            So what on this site has made you think critically and really worked your brain? Every article is simply regurgitating your own beliefs back at you. You’re not learning new things from them, they’re simply enforcing what you already think.

          • RCQ_92130

            Not true.

            I realize you know everything. I realize there is no need for you to hear, read, listen or actually communicate because you … well, you are GAY!

            Not I.

          • Azima Khan

            Then what on this site has really worked your brain? Also, I’m not gay, that’s a silly thing to assume.

          • RCQ_92130

            You are TG. That is gay. Cowboy up and deal with it.

          • Azima Khan

            The words of one uneducated bigot on the internet don’t change my life or reality in the slightest.

          • RCQ_92130

            sigh.

            As i said, prince and princesses of denial.

          • Azima Khan

            Denial of what exactly? You’re an uneducated bigot and your opinions don’t affect my life. Am I denying that your opinions do affect my life? Because they don’t.

          • RCQ_92130

            denial. That you are wrong, that you are responsible for the mess you have made of your life, that others are right.

            As for your claims about me: I am probably far more highly educated than are you, am almost without a doubt far more successful in earthly terms than are you, have done far more to support people different than me (women in business, etc) than I am guessing you have ever done.

            You, madame, are the bully, the bigot, and the ignorant dolt here. Your denying that simply because it is distasteful to confront and acknowledge does not change reality. only your perception thereof.

          • Azima Khan

            My life is far from a mess. I’m quite happy. You’re telling me I’m in denial about being unhappy? Because first you’re not OMNISCIENT or a mind reader or know anything at all about me or my life. I am happy, and you have no reason to believe otherwise.

            Educated in general doesn’t make you educated about LGBT people, in fact you’ve only shown to be the opposite of educated about LGBT people. Trying to throw in moral high ground with supporting business women is nothing more than a smoke screen. It has nothing to do with anything we’ve discussed.

            Whom have I bullied and what would qualify me as a bigot? I know reality better than someone who thinks that Scott Lively is anything but a psychopath.

          • RCQ_92130

            Unfortunately, for you, written words leave a trail which expose your lies.

            You (verbatim):

            “You’re an uneducated bigot”

          • Azima Khan

            That’s a factually true statement, not a lie. A bigot is someone who “views other groups with fear, distrust, prejudice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.”

            Do you not distrust LGBT people? You just proved you do by calling me a liar.

            You’re uneducated but you know very little about LGBT people, the people towards whom you are bigoted.

          • RCQ_92130

            You being a liar (you are, BTW) says nothing about anyone else, about the activist group you so closely identify withy, or about any other group. You are a liar because you lie.

            As for ‘distrust of LGBT {sic} people’.

            That, also is a lie. I dislike and distrust gay activists (the GayGestapo, if you will). They have EARNED my dislike and distrust by virtue of their odious and offensive behavior. This, again, says not a thing about others – including others who believe they “are homosexual”, or those who dress in lingerie and solicit men as if they were women. it DOES, however, perfectly describe you.

            You see, much (nearly all) of what you say is dishonest, distorted, and disingenuous. I suppose it’s your nature.

          • Azima Khan

            You’re contradicting yourself now. Calling me a liar then saying you don’t distrust LGBT people. A fine, fine example of Doublespeak right there. You don’t even know it is doublespeak do you? That’s quality indoctrination.

          • RCQ_92130

            Low I.Q. ???

            Simply because you are a self-proclaimed member of alphabet soup, and I find you to be a liar, does not mean i find all other human beings who also describe themselves by the same letters are liars. This is not rocket science, and an omniscient god such as you should be capable of grasping the matter.

          • Azima Khan

            But your belief that I’m a liar is rooted in my being part of that group. Everything I’ve told you is truthful, you simply don’t believe me because I’m part of a particular group you’re bigoted towards.

          • RCQ_92130

            PLEASE PAY ATTENTION

            You are a liar because you lie. Period.

          • Azima Khan

            I’d hate to break it to you, but I haven’t told you a single lie. I’m sorry you aren’t educated enough to see the truth when it’s written out in front of you.

      • Halou

        What JPT referred to was a real thing that actually happened and so cannot be slanderous.
        It is no more slanderous to Lively as saying that Pilate permitted Jesus’ execution is slanderous to Romans, or blaming Oliver “defender of the faith” Cromwell for the slaughter of over 40% of Ireland’s population is slanderous to Oliver Cromwell.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          What JPT referred to was a real thing that actually happened

          Is it? Why do I doubt it?

          • shepetgene

            http://www.publicationsdotojddotstatedotordotus/docs/A121481dothtm

            Here’s the court document. It’s not slander.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Still not relevant to what Lively is writing about.

            If you have anything to say about the subject at hand, please do. But personal attacks against Lively will be flagged.

          • Azima Khan

            It’s totally relevant, it reveals Lively for the aggressive, physically violent and cruel person he is. When compared to his claim that he’s a man of god, it’s also proof that he’s a liar.

            Really, Scott Lively is a psychopath who disguises himself as a Christian so people will stroke his ego instead of shunning him as they should.

    • thisoldspouse

      Such should be done to all resistant trespassers.

    • Greg

      What’s your point? Have you ever heard him say he was perfect and without sin? There is not one person who is perfect and without sin, except Jesus.

      • RCQ_92130

        Gay activists have heard Pastor lively say anything and everything. Their imaginations have no limit … when it comes to character assassination, that is.

        • Azima Khan

          Actually, pro-LGBT people have extensively cataloged what he said so he can’t pretend he didn’t say it. We point out the evil things he said because we know the evil things he’s said.

          • RCQ_92130

            As I said, …………

      • Halou

        The way he’s casting stones, you’d have thought he was either without sin, or that he thinks himself to be better than Jesus. And since you’ve precluded the former, then the latter must be the truth.

        • RCQ_92130

          Nope. He is simply doing what the Lord instructs us to do: reproach sinners. Doing so does not imply we are not, ourselves, sinners in need of such help from others.

      • JPT

        It’s instructive how we’ll consign such exculpatory notions to our own scoundrels but not so readily to opponents. If that incident were part of Barack Obama’s history, we’d likely see it referenced frequently.

        [I see the quote has been deleted. Sorry, I didn't realize it would be a problem.]

        • Greg

          No idea what you are saying.

  • RCQ_92130

    Thanks to Pastor Lively for having the courage, faith and strength to stand up against the GayGestapo juggernaut.

    As clear as Scripture is, even WITH it’s clarity the forces of evil [press on with distortions, claiming, “Oh, Jesus never said homosexuaity is bad, so that means it’s good” …. and many weak-minded individuals become convinced and are lead away from Christ.

    With the overwhelming control the GayGestapo has assembled over the media, every single member of the media still right thinking and willing to stand up for truth should be celebrated and supported. It’s an uphill battle at this point (because we have remained so passive for so long). But it’s a battle well worth fighting!

    • John Byde

      It’s a battle they won’t win now matter how powerful they seem. Evil always wins…until it loses. It’s time for a bit of pushback, without hurting homosexuals.

  • EvanHurst

    Why did you post the video, Scott? She makes you look quite stupid. If I were you, I wouldn’t be drawing attention to that performance.

    • Greg

      How so? While Scott remained calm, both Vicky and the host interrupted and talked over Scott.

      • Azima Khan

        He was oblivious to what she was saying, he came off as incapable of comprehending it. She directly told him how much his views and his message hurt her, how she struggled for years with the damaging things coming out of his mouth and how her personal experiences told her what he was saying was a lie based on second-hand information.

        He didn’t just make himself look quite stupid, he looked like an outright psychopath.

        • RCQ_92130

          “If you do not agree with me and support/defend my proclivities, it will be very damaging and hurtful to me”.

          So?

          • Azima Khan

            Her and children, which she was when the lies he repeats hurt her. The suicide rate of LGBT people is because of people like Lively and what he says. It’s abuse, straight up abuse. LIvely is a psychopath who promotes child abuse.

          • RCQ_92130

            That is demonstrably false. Though there IS some component of the self hatred many/most homosexuals feel that is caused by the actions of others (rejection, condemnation, criticism, lack of support), that has been shown to be a very minor component. The largest causal factor, by far, is the guilt and self hatred that comes from within – from one’s own heart. It’s the result of each individual KNOWING what they are doing is horrible and wrong, yet doing it anyway.

          • Azima Khan

            It’s not demonstrably false at all. Study after study has proven that depression and anxiety in the LGBT community is caused by bigotry. Ask LGBT people and they’ll tell you from personal experience this is the case as well. What sort of evidence do you have that not only suggests otherwise, but proves beyond a doubt that both these studies and the first-hand experiences of LGBT are false?

            Beeching even says it in the video, yet it’s “demonstrably false” that she’s mistaken? LGBT people don’t legitimately feel “guilt”, that guilt is wholy manufactured by bigots. That’d be like feeling guilt for breathing.

          • RCQ_92130

            Homoseuxals are, in general, the princes and princesses of denial. EVERYTHING they suffer is caused by someone or something else – gay gene, haters, God, anti-gay violence, etc etc etc. There is scant record of homosexuals taking personal responsibility.

            Yes, there are many “studies” that purport to support this or that pro-gay position. There are studies that “show” there is tremendous anti-gay violence (though the vast majority is perpetrated by OTHER GAYS, not by normal people!). There are studies that “show 10% (or even more!) are “gay” {sic} (though reality is 2+/- percent). And so on. The APA even has a formal group (Division 44), staffed entirely by gay activist members, who pump out absurd study after study, under the banner of the APA, supporting whatever it is the GayGestapo is currently battling for.

            Homsoexuals may believe these things ~~~ YOU apparently buy such things without bothering to exercise your brain ~~~ but that does not make them true, factual, legitimate or worthy of other than propaganda value.

          • Azima Khan

            Not everything, but bigotry they face is logically a source of depression and anxiety. Imagine if your parents hated and abused you for no logical reason, you’d be depressed too. It’s not just a logical argument though, it’s been proven by the very studies I mentioned.

            The only source that claims violence against gay people is performed by “OTHER GAYS” is Lively himself, but he’s a liar and it’s provable that he’s a liar.

          • RCQ_92130

            Yes, and imagine if, for example, people so hated Mathew Shepard because of the simple fact he was gay they strung him up on a rural fence, beat him up, and left him to die.

            Of course, that is a fantasy.

            But don’t let those pesky ‘reality and truth” thingies stand in the way of your bigotry and hatred.

          • Azima Khan

            You don’t believe that happens? Because it totally happens. It happened to him and it happened to many others. The same way black people got lynched just for being black. The same way Christians are being killed in the Middle East by ISIS just for being Christian. It’s a reality of humans that they’re willing to murder people simply for being different.

          • RCQ_92130

            Yeah. So in your arrogance and closed-mindedness you actually do not KNOW what happened to Sheppard?

            really???

          • Azima Khan

            I do. And I know your side has tried to reframe it as gay-on-gay violence, which it wasn’t. Your hatred of gay people is so massive that you’d desecrate the story of a victim of violence to promote hatred against that very victim.

          • RCQ_92130

            So you do NOT know.

            Why am I not surprised.

            And imagine what my not being surprised at your ignorance says about you and your reputation, such as it is.

          • Azima Khan

            I do. And I know your side has tried to reframe it as gay-on-gay violence, which it wasn’t

          • RCQ_92130

            so you do not know.

          • Azima Khan

            Then what, according to you, actually happened? And what proof do you have that your version of events was the real one and not what has been taught about this case up until now?

          • RCQ_92130

            Do your own farking research, lazy one. Find out if the killer knew Shepard (for years), and in what way. Find out what the dispute was all about. Learn about the killer the night of the murder.

            Geesh.

          • Azima Khan

            As I said (based on my research), Matthew Sheppard died because of a hate crime, and your side has tried to sell the story that it was because of an angry lover, which is a lie. See, I not only know the truth, but I know of an attempt to distort the truth.

          • RCQ_92130

            Hate crime?????

            WHAT hate crime?

            Drug dealer kills druggie over unpaid drug debt. Druggie had been paying “through services rendered”, but drug dealer – in a meth rage – objected and killed the guy.

            I suppose that qualifies as hate, but not in the deceitful and dishonest way GayGestapo wanted to portray the victim (as a faux martyr – sort of like Milk).

          • Azima Khan

            This is the version you were taught by people who were deliberately seeking to change the narrative to fit their world view better. If you have solid evidence your version of events is the true one, and not the one that has been widely accepted– that it was a hate crime– please present it.

            Of course you don’t have proof though, you’ve yet to provide any.

        • Greg

          Wow! I don’t see any of that. The problem I see, is you are either viewing the video and the world through rainbow colored glasses, or you have no knowledge or idea of where Scott’s beliefs come from, the Bible.

          • Azima Khan

            I know where his beliefs come from, that doesn’t make them any less harmful, abusive, factually incorrect or cruel. The Bible says a lot of things, many good things, some gray area things and some bad things. It was his decision to dedicate his life to a vicious, abusive, factually incorrect and cruel interpretation of the Bible’s words.

          • RCQ_92130

            “I already know what he believes and will say — I have no need to actually watch and see”

            Yep.

          • Azima Khan

            I’ve been following Lively for a while, I know all about his psychopathy.

          • RCQ_92130

            Yep. You are now omniscient and have no need to read, listen, or learn. Why … you ARE god!

            “… wise in their own eyes”

          • Azima Khan

            I’m not god, it just so happens that there are people who document Lively’s evil deeds, and then post them on the internet. It doesn’t take a god to see the crap he does.

          • RCQ_92130

            yep. I guess to you, being omniscient, all these things are clear, true and self evident.

          • Azima Khan

            Did you at all read what I said? There’s no omniscience involved, just the internet and people who document what he says and does.

          • Halou

            You do realize that you’re talking to people who have been trained since their days as a fetus to rely solely on a single book, never questioning what the priest says it says and never thinking outside of it.
            Expecting them to use the internet as a source of information is like fitting a camel through the eye of a needle.

          • Azima Khan

            I do, but convincing them isn’t the goal, because that goal is impossible. They don’t want to learn, they’re scared of knowledge.

          • RCQ_92130

            Ooooo.

            I read it on the internet on a gay website.

            Got it.

          • Azima Khan

            Actually much of it is from sites like this, direct sources, as well as audio recordings and videos– like the one he provided in this very article.

          • Greg

            He wasn’t allowed all that much time to speak, but what little he did say was The Truth.

          • Azima Khan

            He’s said much more than he has in that interview, and none of it is the truth. She is telling him that she’s gay, he’s telling her that she’s not. Which one knows her better? Him or her? Obviously her.

          • Greg

            That is the Truth. She is not gay, as in God creating her that way. If you understand the Bible, you would understand what she is doing. She hasn’t crucified her flesh (her body). She has allowed her flesh, which is of this sinful world, to determine her beliefs on this issue, rather than her true self (The Way, The Truth, and The Light) that resides in all believers.

          • Azima Khan

            What if I told you a very very old book said your name wasn’t Greg and that was “the Truth”? You’d say that’s bullocks. Because it is. As is the idea that she’s not gay, because she said, and she says so. She knows herself better than the men who wrote a book 3000 years ago.

          • RCQ_92130

            You don’t know “the bible” very well, do you.

          • Azima Khan

            I know what I need to about it.

          • RCQ_92130

            Life’s hard.

            It’s harder when you are stupid.

            …………………….. John Wayne

          • Azima Khan

            I’m sure my life would be much harder if I were stupid then.

          • Greg

            Well that explains your view. You don’t believe in God or His Word (the Bible). I’m just suggesting, but if you do value your eternal life, read the Bible (Gods Word).

          • Azima Khan

            I’ve read enough of it to stand by my beliefs about it. If your God is real and fair, he won’t punish me for using my brain.

          • Greg

            Again I suggest reading the entire Bible so that you understand the ENTIRE nature of God. If you truly believe in God and His Word, you will realize there is only one God, therefor we are both talking about God. I don’t have my own.

          • Azima Khan

            What I read was unconvincing, do you think I’ll somehow change my mind by reading more of it? I don’t believe in a personal god. I look at the world around me and I can’t believe that there is a god who cares. One book telling me there is doesn’t change what I see.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Greg, Azima is just trolling, and has admitted as such. Hopefully the mods will act accordingly.

          • SouthernPatriot

            Romans Chapter Two:

            26 “God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.

            28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That’s why they do all sorts of indecent things. 29 They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to get along with. They gossip, 30 say cruel things about others, and hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do evil.

            These people don’t respect their parents. 31 They are stupid, unreliable, and don’t have any love or pity for others. 32 They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.”

          • Azima Khan

            Would you respect the wishes of a parent if they told you to stop being you? Of course you wouldn’t, it’s impossible to respect the wishes of someone who ask you to do something impossible that is damaging to attempt. It’s like if they told you to get straight As in school by injecting heroin.

    • thisoldspouse

      She looked desperate to me. Desperately defending her sinful position.

      • Truth Offends

        Behind her beauty, I saw hatred.

  • SouthernPatriot

    People who name the name of Christ and claim to be Christians must be followers of His Word. Fornicators and adulterers as well as abusers of mankind have no part in the Kingdom of Christ. In Romans 2 verse 26 following: “God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.

    28 Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That’s why they do all sorts of indecent things. 29 They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way. They want what others have, and they murder, argue, cheat, and are hard to get along with. They gossip, 30 say cruel things about others, and hate God. They are proud, conceited, and boastful, always thinking up new ways to do evil.

    These people don’t respect their parents. 31 They are stupid, unreliable, and don’t have any love or pity for others. 32 They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.”

  • RCQ_92130

    What’s with all the deleted comments??? Is this a left wing blog or something? Allow the idiots to air their idiocy.

    • thisoldspouse

      Idiocy has its limit.

  • Gigi

    Scott Lively is an ABOMINATION. It’s not me saying it, it’s God.
    “There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

    • thisoldspouse

      Scott Lively has done NONE of these, but he HAS pointed out these deeds committed by homosexuals.

    • RCQ_92130

      I can say YOU did all of these things, but that does not make it true any more than your saying Lively did them makes it true.

      • Carlos Santerro

        For someone who feels as strongly as you do, you don’t seem willing to put your real name and face t your opinions. THAT says a lot about you.

        • RCQ_92130

          What a compelling, irrefutable argument. THAT is what passes as “logic” in your little world?

          • Carlos Santerro

            Not an argument. Just a fact. :)

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  • thisoldspouse

    And that is the window dressing that has been sold to the public for decades. If same-sex couples have been together for many years, and this is a VERY small percentage which are paraded around, it does not happen without the almost universal practice of “open monogamy.”

    No, homosexual couples are absolutely NOTHING like naturally bonded opposite-sex couples. Repeatedly saying so is just perpetuating the lie and ignoring the empiracle data.

    • scottrose

      You are reinforcing my point, that an anti-gay bigot like you does not at all know gay people as human beings and/or especially as friends.

      You were raised with anti-gay prejudice, so false and severe that you could not possibly form a true friendship with a gay or lesbian person.

      Many heterosexual people today who in the past nursed these ugly prejudices opened their minds and discovered that gay people are actually human. The more open the heterosexual’s mind, the more available they are to become friends with gay people and with gay couples.

      Once somebody has been friends with a long-term same-sex couple, they do not spout such hateful junk against their friends.

  • Truth Offends

    This video in your post is vile, vulgar, and profane. Flagged.

    • Gareth Willis

      So this is you: “If my truth offends you, tough luck. But if what you say offends me – even if it’s clearly satirical – I will try to get it banned.”

    • Booya Bible

      Unfortunately you refuse to read your Bible for what it really says.

  • Truth Offends

    The video in “Booya Bible’s” post is vile, vulgar, and profane. Flagged.

    • thisoldspouse

      It almost seems like a parody of the argument. If not, the deception is indeed deep.

      • Truth Offends

        It’s not a parody. It contains the same arguments the Vines and his followers make. I just cannot believe BarbWire allowed it, and I am very disappointed it did. While I was watching it, I wanted to throw up.

    • Booya Bible

      He’s only speaking the truth. You should read the Bible.

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  • Mark Austin

    I met Scott Lively in the airport bathroom. Tap Tap Tap went his feet.

    I am glad there are no cameras in the bathroom.

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