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Parents of gay kids: Stop beating yourself up. It’s not your fault.

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I sent an email out to my blog followers a couple months ago, trying to get a better grasp on the biggest questions and doubts that parents with same sex attracted children have struggled with since their kids “came out” to them.  Within an hour my inbox flooded with heart-broken responses from a multitude of guilt-ridden parents.

Is this my fault?

Did I not give my child enough attention?

Did I give my child too much attention?

Was it the divorce?

What could I have done different?

Reading story after story of parents plagued with guilt because of their kid’s struggle with homosexuality left me certain that this is something that needs to be talked about.

Are you a perfect parent? Absolutely not. Are you actually a pretty messed up, sinful individual? Most definitely. Have you done things — even committed sins — against your kids that have had an effect on them? Sadly, yes — every parent has. Every person that has walked this earth (besides Jesus, obviously) has sinned in ways that have negatively affected other people on a daily basis.20100511-grieving-couple-300x205

Part of what makes sin so destructive is the ripple-like effect it has. Ever seen that weird Ashton Kutcher movie, The Butterfly Effect? That’s sort of how I picture the workings of sin. Adam and Eve’s initial sin was enough to throw the entire world into complete chaos. If one sin had such a massive effect, what kind of impact do our daily sins have on the people around us?

I’m not going to tell you that you didn’t do things in raising your child that have helped shape them into the person that they have become. You did good things which have benefited them, and you’ve done bad things which have conversely affected them. We all know this to be true in our own experiences of being raised by our own sinful, fallen parents. I have most definitely been affected by my parent’s sins and failures, as have you. This is just part of the broken reality that we live in.

But does this mean that you are at fault for your kid being attracted to the same sex, or for your kid’s decision to embrace and act out on those attractions? Please hear me clearly: NO!  I assure you with absolute certainty that there are a multitude of parents probably within a fifty mile radius of your location right now that have made the same mistakes and committed the same sins in raising their kids and their kids do not experience homosexual desires. I have a lot of friends that went through the same things — if not worse things — as a kid and they don’t experience homosexual feelings, like I do.

Not to over simplify it (because same sex attraction is far from simple), but the ultimate culprit to blame for homosexual desires is not the sin that happens outside of us or against us, but the sin that indwells us.

Our nature — who and what we are — is sinful, broken, distorted, ungodly, unholy, blemished, stained and damned. Our hearts — the very core of who and what we are — are in opposition to God, bent toward evil, and utterly rejecting of submitting to true reality (reality which is centered around God, not us).

You won’t find that on the back of a coffee mug, but it’s true. 

The concept — the reality — of indwelling sin is far from fully comprehensible. I know that sin plagues us all, but I don’t know why it fleshes out in different ways in different people. I don’t know why there could be two people that are brought up exactly the same way and one have homosexual attractions while the other has heterosexual attractions. I don’t know why there could be two people that are brought up exactly the same way and one have explosive anger tendencies while the other be as meek and mild as Mr. Rogers. I don’t know why there could be two people that are brought up exactly the same way and one have painful depression issues while the other be almost annoyingly happy all the time.

Neither you nor your psychologist nor your pastor nor your doctor will ever fully know why your kid is attracted to the same sex, but you can know that it isn’t your fault.  Yes, you are a sinner and yes, you have sinned against your kids… and yes, you do need forgiveness for that — and you have it fully if you’re in Christ. But don’t blame yourself for their broken sexuality. There are a million different sinful things inside and outside of them (the main three being the flesh, the world and Satan) that have continually worked to shape, feed and further distort their sexual desires.

I know this blog isn’t a fully comprehensive overview of the doctrine of original sin, etc., but I just wanted to briefly tell the parents out there to stop beating yourself up. Please, hate sin and hate all of it’s workings and twistings and distortions in your own heart and in your kid’s heart — but don’t hate yourself for your kid’s sexuality. You are not to blame for this. Pray for you kid. My grandmother prayed and prayed and prayed for me, and the Lord moved on behalf of her prayers for His glory. They may be out and proud and accepting of their broken sexuality now, but I can tell you from my own experience that the Lord can change their minds (and hearts)… and He can do it instantaneously.

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  • marlene

    i disagree. in too many cases, the parents DID infect their kids to turn them away from normal heterosexuality. ways too numerous to mention. bad role models, too accepting or condoning of deviant life styles of homosexuals, left baby or toddler alone with a deviant, and don’t forget the worst criminals against kids: MOMMY’S BOYFRIENDS!

    • Jeanette Victoria

      It’s prolly a combination of things sometimes it is the parents fault sometimes not. It is hard to combat a culture that glorifies perversity

      However it is also becomeing quite “in” for girle in schools to declsre they are lesbian. So you see today it is also can be pop culture that influences someone

      • Patrick

        Those cultural influences are a pretty recent development. How do you explain the existence of gays over the age of 40?

        • Jeanette Victoria

          Homosexuals are predators, do the research a significant number of homosexuals were sexually abused by men as a youth. The rest (which is in the minority) is prolly a combination of predisposition and nurture

          • JamesGnPhilly

            The word you are looking for is “probably,” and where are you doing your research at may I ask? Oh, and I’ve been gay since I was born, have never been molested and had both a loving/caring/nurturing mother and father… And there are three of us, all raised the same and two are gay… Until you are a scientist and have studied human sexuality in great depth, please don’t try to be an arm chair psychologist…

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            She’s not, she’s trying to be an armchair executioner. If we were back even 100 years ago she might have succeeded…

          • Patrick

            Cite your sources (if they exist)

          • Dawn1257

            They don’t. Well, except with those veeerrryyy reliable sources of Tony Perkins and Brian Fischer……of course!

          • johnny boatmann

            your sources don’t exist

          • sylvatica

            Why do you keep your user activity private? Ashamed of all your lies and bigoted comments when viewed collectively?

    • thisoldspouse

      As much as this factor is vehemently disclaimed today, mostly by the homosexual lobby, parental relationships most certainly DO contribute to the nature of sexual development. I know a lot of “out and proud” homosexuals say they had great relationships with their dads, but that is part of the narrative of normalcy that society is supposed to believe.

      • Dawn1257

        How can you possibly call into question a relationship that you were not part of? Is that subjective or objective analysis on your part?

        Never mind. We already know you have no way to be objective.

        • thisoldspouse

          I know that because in their more unguarded moments of candor, perhaps even subconsciously, they’ll reveal what strained relationships they had with their parents.

          How did you get along with your dad?

          • Dawn1257

            Not that it is any of your business. But since you asked, I do get along fabulously with my father. He couldn’t be more happy for me and supportive.

            BTW, he’s a H A R D right conservative, but without carrying the ;’social issue’ stupidity exhibited on this site.

      • Lightning Baltimore

        As usual, accuse everyone who doesn’t fit your preconceived narrative of lying.

    • Patrick

      Better keep mentioning ways, because none apply to my husband or I. Both of us were raised in Christian households by our biological parents, who are still married. I went to Catholic school, where “gay” was either a sin or a slur and didn’t meet a single openly gay person until college. My husband was home-schooled by his stay-at-home mom and his Pentecostal minister father. No abuse, nothing but scorn for homosexuality, no gay role models, and parents that were no more flawed than most, and we’re about as gay as you get. How does that fit your theory?

      • Truth Offends

        “Men” don’t have “husbands”. Thinking they do is (or should be) a sign of some sort of mental disorder.

        • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

          words words words. Did you know that flammable and inflammable mean the same thing even though they sound different?

          Did you know that sensible used to mean sensitive, rather than having sense?

          Did you know that the definition for a black person used to be 2/3 of a person?

          Did you know that by “love” Christians like Matt Moore mean condemnation, disgust, and hatred?

          What a disordered world we are indeed!

        • Lightning Baltimore

          Denying the existence of reality is a form of mental disorder.

        • Dawn1257

          But men can have “many” wives, right?

        • johnny boatmann

          why so? the gay community has had the ability to marry here in the states for quite awhile, although not as widespread as it is now. I would think the mental disorder being that of denying the reality of marriage equality.. It’s in 19 states with lawsuits pending in the others and now direct appeals to SCOTUS. Do you not see the looming future? What are you going to do when marriage equality hits all 50? Run away? Move out of the US? Canada has had it for more than 10years too…..where will you go to get away form all these people who love each other and have committed themselves to each other for life? BTW – the sky really isn’t falling…just sayin

          • Truth Offends

            The entire cause of “marriage equality” is a lie, including your claim that it’s about “people who love each other and have committed themselves to each other for life.”

          • johnny boatmann

            how so?

          • Truth Offends

            Nothing(!) stops people from making lifetime commitments to each other. Two homosexual men do not need to get “married” to make a lifetime commitment to each other.
            And, unless you can tell me that you support the “marriage” of two siblings who do not have sex with each other, or the marriage of a parent and adult child who do not have sex with each other, then you do not support “marriage equality,” or “equal protection under the law”.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Siblings and parents & children are already legally recognized as immediate family.

          • Truth Offends

            Oh, so you don’t support “marriage equality” and “equal protection under the law”! You want to discriminate against siblings who do not have sex with each other, and discriminate against parents and adult children who do not have sex with each other by denying them the same rights and benefits that two “married” homosexual men receive!

          • Lightning Baltimore

            As I said, they are already legally recognized as family.

          • Truth Offends

            So what? Family members do not receive the same rights and benefits “married” homosexual men receive. If you want to discriminate against family members who do not have sex with each other by denying them the right to “marry” and want to discriminate against them by denying them the same rights and benefits that “married” homosexual men receive, then you do NOT support “marriage equality” or “equal protection under the law”!
            Some might call you a hateful, anti-family bigot!

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Sorry, that tired argument is ridiculous and has no merit.

          • Truth Offends

            It is not ridiculous and it does have merit. And you know it–which is why you won’t answer my questions!
            There are plenty of single mothers out there whose brothers are single. Why do you want to discriminate against these two siblings who do not have sex with each other and deny them the same rights and benefits that two “married” homosexual men receive (spousal insurance, inheritance rights, etc.)? Why do you want to deny them the right to live as a family and raise the children with two parents? What about “marriage equality” and “equal protection under the law”?
            If you’re a hateful anti-sibling bigot, just say so!

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Do you support sibling marriage and/or parent/child marriage?

          • Truth Offends

            So, which is it? Are you a hateful anti-family bigot?
            Do you hate single mothers?
            Or do you want to discriminate against them simple b/c they don’t have sex with each other?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            I am not anti-family; your scenarios involve people who are already immediate family!
            I don’t hate single parents of any gender, but I do hate it when people try to keep them single by denying them the right to marry someone who is not already immediate family.
            It’s none of my business whether or not two people are having sex, unless it is me and my spouse or my spouse is cheating on me.

          • Truth Offends

            SO? Do you are do you not oppose two immediate family members (who do not have sex) from marrying and having the same 1,500+ rights and benefits that “married” homosexual men receive?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            I’m sure you think you’re very clever, but you’re vehemently arguing for a position you most likely oppose just in order to attempt to make others look bad. Unless you are 100% in favor of intra-familial marriage, you gain no ground by accusing the LGBT community of bigotry for not supporting it.

          • Truth Offends

            What is so supposedly “clever” about asking an obvious question? If you don’t want two immediate family members (who do not have sex with each other) to be able to “marry” and receive the same rights, benefits, and protections that two “married” homosexual men receive, then you don’t want them to have “equal protection under the law.” You want to treating them as second class citizens unworthy of the same basic civil rights that homosexuals receive! That is bigotry! And it’s hateful.

          • johnny boatmann

            your question is both irrelevant and outright moronic.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            The question is designed as a trap:
            If I say I oppose intra-familial marriage, you continue to call me a bigot.
            If I say I approve of them, you’ll most likely turn around and call me a pervert or any other manner of things.
            I’m not playing your little game.

          • Truth Offends

            Either you support marriage b/w two immediate family members or you don’t. If you support those types of marriage, no one should call you a pervert b/c there are laws against incest, and there is no requirement that people have sex when they get married. And, in America, people are “innocent until proven guilty.”

          • Lightning Baltimore

            You have yet to answer whether you support it or not.

          • Truth Offends

            I asked first! :)

          • Lightning Baltimore

            You asked in an attempt to paint me as a bigot. I responded and you refused to accept it. We’re done.

          • Truth Offends

            No one could paint you as a bigot unless you show yourself to be one by not supporting the “marriage” of two immediate family members so that they can receive the same rights and benefits and protections as two “married” homosexual men receive–you know, “equal protection under the law”!
            Given you apparently are afraid to be “painted as a bigot” tells me that you don’t support the marriage of two immediate family members–and that you probably are a bigot!

          • Lightning Baltimore

            *yawn*

          • Truth Offends

            You can “yawn” all you want. You can refuse to answer my questions all you want. Quite frankly, I don’t care.
            I raised the questions. You heard them. And, you have a conscience. And, only you can choose the way you want to live your life–what kind of person you want to be.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            I already answered. You didn’t like my answer. Drop it.

          • Truth Offends

            You did not answer my question. You only replied with a non-answer–b/c you think if you answer one way, you’ll be (rightly) called a “bigot,” and if you answer the other way, you’ll be (wrongly) called a “pervert.”

            This is what I meant when I called you a “wimp”. You don’t have the cajones to take a stand on “marriage” unless it is for homosexuals. Apparently, all you care about is homosexuals.

          • johnny boatmann

            you need to drop this rant of yours about immediate family. It’s making you look like an imbecile. The argument is irrelevant. How has marriage equality harmed you or your marriage? Hint: it hasn’t.. You can’t stand thefact that this is happening and you have zero control over it. It harms no one.

          • Truth Offends

            Wimp.

          • johnny boatmann

            how so?

          • Truth Offends

            You don’t have the cajones to take a position on marriage b/w immediate family members.

          • johnny boatmann

            you keep saying that and I don’t think you know what it means

        • Patrick

          That’s your takeaway? I highlight just how completely mistaken your entire concept of homosexuality is and how little you understand us and the only comeback you can come up with is “men don’t have husbands”?

          • Truth Offends

            LOL! You do not know what my “entire concept of homosexuality” is or how much I “understand” homosexuals; therefore, it would be impossible for you to “highlight how completely mistaken” I supposedly am about those things!

      • thisoldspouse

        Maybe going to a catholic school was the very problem that made you a sodomite.

        • Patrick

          So you want to add Catholic school to the things that turn kids gay? If you want to do that, better add home-school as well if you want to explain my husband. I’ve heard a lot of anti-gay activists blame public school, so maybe that also turns kids gay. And of course, any form of higher education has to be a factor. Is there any form of education that’s safe?

      • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

        Do you and your partner still consider yourselves Christian?

        • Patrick

          No. We each have our own long stories as to why not, but one of the big reasons was the holier-than-thou judgementalism from other Christians who thought they knew everything.

          That, and constantly hearing all the people from the Religious Right calling us sick, evil, perverted, child-molesting, filthy, disease ridden, psychologically damaged destroyers of civilization, and then calling that view a “Christian value”. It kind of spoils any possible thought of going back to Christianity. Go figure.

          • Truth Offends

            Did you ever read the Bible to find out what Christianity really is? Or did you simply believe what others (including your family) told you?

          • Patrick

            Yes, I’ve read it, and yes, that has occurred to me. Why is it that Christians always assume that non-Christians are that way because we don’t know anything about Christianity or the Bible? The ones that quote the handful of verses about homosexuality especially perplex me. Do any of them really think they’re saying anything gays haven’t heard a hundred times already?

            BTW, saying that most Christians aren’t “true Christians” is not really making me want to associate with them more.

          • Truth Offends

            I didn’t assume anything, that’s why I asked you the questions I asked. If, as you claim, you actually did read the Bible, then you would know that people who claim to be Christians who are self-righteous, judgmental, hateful, and vile are not true Christians. So why, then, would you call them Christians when you know (or should know) they’re false Christians, and why would you let false Christians keep you away from Jesus Christ?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            It would appear, then, that there are precious few “true Christians” posting comments on this site.

          • Truth Offends

            Nobody’s perfect.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Agreed. Your words betray your character quite well.

          • Truth Offends

            Please. Show me how you think so. Please. Please show what you think would be an example of something I said that, according to you, “betrays my character.”

          • Patrick

            So, I should know that self-proclaimed Christians who display their self-righteous and judgemental character by, I don’t know, trying to invalidate or dismiss my marriage to another man as not being a real marriage are really false Christians?

          • Truth Offends

            You should know that those who, according to you, express a “holier-than-thou judgmental” attitude by “constantly…calling (you) sick, evil, perverted, child-molesting, filthy, disease ridden, psychologically damaged destroyers of civilization, and then calling that view a ‘Christian value'” are really false Christians.
            If you truly read the Bible, as you claim you have, you would (or should) know this. How is it that you don’t?

          • Patrick

            I do know it, however, they seem to be the ones the Christian community lets speak for them. When you hear Christian pundits or leaders using some of the insults from that list, there’s rarely any outcry from “true Christians”. In fact, these days anyone who disagrees with or criticizes a Christian figure who uses one or more of those anti-gay insults gets accused of anti-Christian bigotry.

            Thus, I am forced to conclude that “true Christians” are the exception, rather than the rule. Since I’m sure all Christians consider themselves “true Christians” even though so many are not, I see no reason to identify myself as one.

            If you still need me to justify myself further, answer one question: does the “true Christian” view accept married gay couples as real married couples?

          • Truth Offends

            Oh, please. You’re not fooling me. You’re comments reveal the truth. False Christians aren’t keeping you away from Jesus Christ. It’s you!
            You are keeping yourself away from Jesus Christ at least b/c you hate that God calls men having sex with other men an “abomination” and you, a man, would rather have sex with other men than follow God!

            PS: If you truly read the Bible, as you claim you did, then you
            would (or should) know that most certainly, “true Christians” ARE “the exception, rather than the rule”!

          • Patrick

            Yeah, they are the exception, as you and most of the Christians on this thread illustrate so well. If you guys are true Christians, I’m glad not to be among your number.

          • Truth Offends

            Only God knows who is a “true Christian.”

          • Patrick

            If that’s the case, wouldn’t that mean I might be more of a true Christian than you are?

          • Truth Offends

            LOL!

          • Patrick

            I know, right? I’m sure that laugh of yours had no trace of arrogance, judgement, or moral superiority to it.

            We can go back and forth on this endlessly, but for me it ultimately comes down to one thing: if your concept of God is right and He wants me to spend my life unloved, alone, and miserable for no reason other than just because he says so, then He sounds like a jerk.

          • Truth Offends

            You are completely wrong about what you think about my laugh. I thought what you said was funny. Really!
            (Have you ever heard anyone say that something is funny b/c there is some truth in what was said?)

            BTW: God does not what you to “spend your life unloved, alone, and miserable.” Of course, you would (or should) know this if you truly read the Bible, as you claim you did.
            Hey, why don’t you fess up! You really didn’t read the Bible, did you? :)

          • Patrick

            We read through it in religion class my first two years of high school. Done being called a liar by you. Bye.

          • Truth Offends

            Lighten up!
            I did not call you a “liar”.

          • Patrick

            Here’s you:

            “If you truly read the Bible, as you claim you have, you would (or should) know this. How is it that you don’t?”

            “(That’s something else you would know if you truly read the Bible!)”

            “Of course, you would (or should) know this if you truly read the Bible, as you claim you did…….
            Hey, why don’t you fess up! You really didn’t read the Bible, did you? :)”

            You’re really going to claim you haven’t accused me of lying?

          • Truth Offends

            I called into question the truthfulness of your statement.
            That’s not the same thing as “accusing you of lying”.

            PS: I see that I should have added “or should” in your second example. I’m sorry I did not do that in my original post. I edited that post to correct my mistake. I value truth and try to always be careful to not accuse others of lying.

          • Patrick

            Please describe a feasible way I could be untruthful by saying “I’ve read the Bible” without lying.

          • Truth Offends

            I do not know of any “feasible way you could be untruthful without lying.”

            The Bible is comprised of 66 books. For your statement (“I have read the Bible”) to be true, you would have needed to have read the entire Bible. But, if you did not read the entire Bible, that would not necessarily mean you were “untruthful,” or “lying”. Whether or not you were truthful would depend on what you believe it means to “have read the Bible” and on what your intentions when you said that.

            For example, let’s say (for the sake of this discussion) that you have read only the New Testament. Even though the
            truth would be that you read only “part” of the Bible, you might still believe you have read the Bible—in which case you would not have been “untruthful,” or “lying” when you said you “have read the Bible.”
            But, if you intentionally omitted (the hypothetical fact) that you did not read the Old Testament with the intent to deceive me into thinking you actually read the entire Bible, then that would have been “untruthful,” or “lying.”

            Lots of truthful people say they have read the Bible when the truth is that they have read only part of the Bible. So,
            when you said, “I have read the Bible,” I didn’t think you were necessarily lying.

            I called into question the truthfulness of your statement (that you read the–entire—Bible) only b/c you gave the impression that you did not know some very basic truths found in the Bible (e.g. God wants you to be happy and loved).

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            So, do you believe or attend any kind of church at all?

          • Patrick

            I do very much believe in the divine, I just don’t believe the divine only revealed itself to one group of people at one point in time. I believe there is more to the divine than can be understood in its entirety by any one religion. I believe each religion has its own insights and its own limitations in understanding and relating to the divine. Not sure what to label that as.

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            Patrick, with all due respect, stop focusing on “religion” and focus instead on Jesus Christ. There’s a big difference. Religion is man’s attempt to please God. Jesus Christ is God’s outreach to all mankind for all time. His atoning work did it all. I think you know this from the way you say you were raised, but it sounds like you were also privy to a defective downside by people who mishandled the faith.

          • Patrick

            It’s kind of hard to avoid focusing on religion when the way certain Christians decide to practice their religion can determine whether or not my husband and I are rudely kicked out of a store or denied a job.

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            That’s not what I’m talking about. Christianity is not religion. It’s relationship with Jesus Christ. Have you ever read “More than a Carpenter” by Josh McDowell, or “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis?

  • thisoldspouse

    Seriously, I think there is a chemical component in the environment that is affecting the way people are developing in the past one or two generations. Perhaps the birth control wastes being flushed into our water supply are finally bearing their putrid fruit?

    Men today seem physically a lot more effeminate than past generations. Just look around you. Do WWII era vets (other than the age differences) compare at all to the chestless, scrawny, beardless metrosexuals that seem to be churned out today?

    • Michex

      Homosexuals in the fashion industry subtly introduce homosexual fashions to men. People don’t notice it because it is not labeled as homosexual. These things seep into the culture in various ways – jokes, behavior, and sexual activity. Slowly, gay ways become accepted as normal.

      • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

        And thank goodness LGBT people are being accepted as normal. It’s like white people treating black people equally. It’s only invidious to those who wish for their own bigotry that the treatment remain unequal.

        It’s much more nuanced with gay people, though. You can’t be a ‘closet’ black person, you can be gay of any race, and just like this monster, Matt Moore, think that if you just say “oh I’m not gay” (despite a grindr profile) that the hostile majority will accept and love you. Just look at Alan Chambers, George Rekers, John Paulk, Ted Haggard, Marcus Bachmann.

        Them uppity gays! Next thing you know we’ll have to close the swimming pool so we don’t have to share our space!

        • Lightning Baltimore

          There is a term known as “passing,” for very light skinned people of color that can pass for white, and the excellent 1934 film “Imitation of Life” is an exploration of it.

      • Steven Scott

        LOL.

    • Dawn1257

      Well, BY GOD! We’ve got to have burkas and beards all around! We can’t have “scrawny” men and especially ‘exposed’ women!

      • Truth Offends

        Today, men can even be women!

        • Dawn1257

          Well at least I’m a woman. Actually.

          • thisoldspouse

            You were born with a penis; you just had it whacked off (or perhaps not.)

          • Dawn1257

            Once again, why the fascination with my genitals. BELIEVE ME, you ain’t gettin’ there.

    • Michael C.

      Beardless metrosexuals? What city are you living in these days?

      • thisoldspouse

        A large one, filled with beardless, effeminate vestigial men.

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  • Michex

    There will be more homosexuals created because the homosexual movement is in schools with LGBTQ clubs and homosexual books like King and King that encourage minors to:
    experiment, be broadminded, “you can love both sexes,” “don’t listen to your heterosexual, anti-gay parents”, “both sexes’ body parts are lovable; they just have different shapes”, “you can stick your body parts in any orifice your heart desires..”

    • billJohnson19D

      interesting, so how long do you think until the percentage of
      the population that is gay starts to increase?

      • thisoldspouse

        If it is even 0.1%, that is significant. That is thousands of children exposed to behavior that is proven to be deleterious to health.

        But we’re not talking about “orientation,” but behavior. When children are developing, they’re prone to experiment with what is pushed on them. “Geh” or not, even if they try homosexuality in their confused years, that doesn’t peg them as “geh” even though they practice homosexuality.

        • billJohnson19D

          So is it your contention that public acceptance will lead to
          an increase in homosexual behavior but not homosexual orientation because Michex is contending that public acceptance will lead to an increase in both. My question
          is how big of a increase are you/Michex predicting and how soon?

          • Michex

            It is happening already. Obviously one cannot know the % or the time frame.

            Homosexuals know very well that all sexual *behaviors* can be socialized into a person through peer pressure, media, drugs, molestation, etc.

            But when it comes to homosexual activity, they scoff at the idea. Thus, homosexuals say stupid things like “Yes, a person can be brought into group sex under peer pressure etc. but that group sex can never involve homosexual behavior. In group sex, a man will never even touch a man”.

            That’s how dishonest and stupid homosexuals are. They take stupid pills.

          • Dawn1257

            WOW! Where the heck do you come up with this nonsense?

            Do you have repressed feelings of ‘wanting’ to be in an orgy with other males, or what?

          • Michex

            Where did YOU “come up” with same sex marriage?
            You’re just like the rest of us who thought it was ridiculous years ago. Your parents and grandparents thought so too.
            Where did YOU “come up” with the idea of prosecuting a baker who did not want to bake a gay wedding cake? No sane person would ever have believed you homosexuals come up with such crazy ideas, yet you do.
            What is the next nutty homosexual idea – tell us all.

          • Dawn1257

            Where do I come up with same sex marriage?

            It’s a good question. I didn’t.

            I won’t bore the audience here with the full journey of my personal epiphany. It’d take too long. However, when I found myself facing the question of what my own marriage meant to me and realized that, that same feeling could be shared by two people of the same sex as that of two opposite sex, it was easy to understand how a same sex marriage could be real, and should be.

            Honestly, I’m certain my grandparents never gave the concept a first, let alone a second thought. But, then a hundred and fifty years ago, who’d have given a thought to the concept of women having the right to vote? Who’d have even considered that airplanes would exist, or seeing a persons face from across the world could appear on your laptop?

            It takes vision and contemplation. It takes courage to stand up for an idea that others would rather beat you down for. Not so much different than what our Fore-Fathers experienced at the hands of their oppressors.

          • Michex

            Any idea how marriage started thousands of years ago? Care to guess why it was between opposite sexes? Please, no more slavery comparisons.

          • JamesGnPhilly

            Yes, marriage was made as a way to transfer ones property to another family. Marriage was made to stop wars between kings and queens. Oh, and marriage between a man and a woman and another woman and his concubine was also accepted (King Solomon and David come to mind)…. People have defined marriage throughout the ages as they saw fit! It was a recent and modern definition that allowed people to marry the person of their choice for love! Children were not even brought into the picture (hence no marriage law has ever decreed that children must be born of the marriage).

          • Michex

            Like most homosexuals, you are clueless.
            If property was the main motivation or reason for marriage, powerful men would have married powerful men.
            If preventing war was the reason,military men would have married men.
            Homosexuals are completely clueless about procreation, the birth of children and the continuation of the human race.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Did you type that last paragraph with a straight face or while giggling uproariously at your cleverness?

          • Dawn1257

            You’re a half-wit aren’t you? At least you only half-read.

            Just where in my last comment did I express a comparison to slavery?

            Marriage has been an evolution of concepts through human time. From the earliest (and I can only go on what the cartoons show here) when man clubbed his mate on the head and drug them to his cave claiming them as “his”. Now I don’t know if it was one male and one female, or if occasionally he’d take another male. Just don’t know, and neither do you.

            From there we can move to some of the Polynesians cultures. Marriage was ONLY reserved for Royalty. It didn’t have the same meaning it does today. It was status more than it was about sex. Homosexuality was not forbidden and who knows how many lived their lives together, committed to each other ’cause no one cared one way or the other.

            Now, in later stone age and on into the iron age and throughout the middle ages and carrying to the late nineteenth century in many places, marriage was about power, control and alliances more than it was anything to do with procreation and love and bonding.

            In later times before Pope Innocence III there was no sanctified sacrament called marriage for religious contexts. In the year 1208 he decreed matrimony to be a condition of bonding for the Church to exact tighter controls of it’s flock. And the sheep went right along with it.

            That leads us to our “modern era”. Once more the concept of marriage is on the cusp of an evolutionary change. inclusion of those from partnerships of the same sex.

            Ain’t it great!?! And look! Nothing in there about slavery…….again!

          • tomd

            Citation please for the increase in homosexuals.

          • thisoldspouse

            Yes, of course.

  • junkmailbin

    homosexual behavior is a perverted thought process. the person has the ability to choose but makes the conscience decision to engage in homosexual behavior. As a defense, they want to say it is genetic. Genetic abnormalities tend not to favor that which does not enable the species to grow and be stronger. A action that does not procreate would be a negative.
    If you choose to smoke poles and are male, you are a pervert. If you are a female that likes rug, you are a pervert.
    The 2.5 percent needs to be firmly told that we have had it with their sh_t

    • tomd

      Ahh, but if homosexuality is entirely learned, then perhaps one *can* blame the parents.

      But it’s good to know you accept evolution.

      • Michex

        Nice try.
        Sexuality can be complex but one thing is for sure: any sexual behavior can be socialized, just as any other behavior can be.
        That is, things like environment, peer pressure, molestation, media, prison, mental illness, and other factors can lead one to engage in sexual activity that one might not ordinarily engage in.
        Homosexuals, the liars that they are, deny ALL that because even though they know it is true, because they want to be able to inject gay culture, homosexual books, LGBTQ clubs, etc. into schools and then say “Oh, look, it won’t make ever make your kid engage in homosexual or bi-sexual activity.”
        Really? So being inundated with homosexual culture has no effect on sexual behavior?
        Homosexuals are dishonest.

        • tomd

          Well, it could be worse. One thing that *is* learned is religion. And we have lots of evidence of religious people trying to infiltrate schools to convince kids about religion. You know, with Christian culture, books, and clubs. And they’re quite open about about wanting kids to engage in Christian culture. It’s perverted when you think about it.

          • Michex

            Religion can be a force for good, even if it sometimes falls short.
            Ever notice that every society has religion?
            As for Homosexuality – is that a force for good? No.

          • tomd

            Homosexuality just *is*. It’s like asking if a tree or your kneecap is a force for good. And it’s no more controversial than that.

          • Michex

            I see. So two trees can get married? Hey, why not. If homosexuals can, anyone can.

          • tomd

            Except that marriage involves a contract between humans. Trees are not human. Therefore trees cannot marry.

            But perhaps you were molested by a tree when you were a child. That would explain your fascination with tree marriage.

          • Dawn1257

            First homosexuality IS NOT A RELIGION. So, it should not be compared to a “force for good”. It just is what it is, as you are what you are.

            Second. Let’s talk about the “force for good”. Any time some one tells me it’s for my own good and they want to “force”/compel me to do something, one of my eyebrows raises with trepidation. It doesn’t matter whether it’s religion, food, medicine. I know what is and isn’t good for me without someone else’s insistence.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Michex, tomd is trying to change the subject by injecting religion into this. Stay on topic and don’t let him.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            The article itself “inject[ed] religion” into it!

          • tomd

            That’s right. No one *ever* discusses religion on this site.

          • johnny boatmann

            thanks mr moderator

        • rustywheeler

          One wonders how kids with exposure to nothing but church, Jesus, prayer and scripture end up gay.

          • Truth Offends

            If you’re wondering that(!), you might want to read the column above this comment section!

    • Dawn1257

      Really? Sooo, tell us when you “went” gay by deciding to be gay. And then tell us how you made the “choice” to be straight. What age were you precisely? What was the conversation you had with yourself in your head that said “Today, I choose to be a straight man/boy and like only girls”?

      • Truth Offends

        When did you decide to become a woman?

        • Dawn1257

          Always was.

  • billJohnson19D

    See now I am confused. Ex gay groups have said for years that people
    are gay because: they had distant fathers, overbearing mothers, or some other
    issue with their parents, so a huge part of their argument has been about
    blaming parents and saying that the parents didn’t do the right things to make
    their kid be heterosexual. One need look no farther than the infamous book: A
    Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi to see the parent
    blaming that is imbedded in the ex-gay ideology. So for this piece to come
    along and say “parents it’s not your fault” is incredibly disingenuous, if you believe
    it then tell it to NARTH.

  • Dawn1257

    What a bunch of crap!

    This is just a really poor way of extending the concept that people are NOT born gay.

    To parents who feel ‘guilt’ for their failures as parents to keep their child from “turning gay”, IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT! You had NOTHING to do with your child being gay. He, or she …..just is. Thats all there is to it.

    What you SHOULD feel guilt for is not embracing your child when they have the courage to tell you, by telling them ,”it’s okay” and that your love hasn’t and will not change. If you you don’t do that and your child leaves you turning to the ‘streets’ for guidance and support, then the fault is ON you for turning them away when they needed you most. Then, they will enter a new phase of darkness and depression falling victim to predators, drugs and……. worse.

    Instead, stay with them, support them, keep them close to you and your heart, your family. Listen to them. Listen to their story. Understand that they didn’t become who they are from any failing on your part. That who they are is no less a product of who you are when you were born into this world…..just a person.

    • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

      Queerdom is still wrong on all levels. You weren’t born queer. Male or female…nothing more….nothing less. The rest is made up fantasy that is killing you and you are too retarded to understand the word “quit”. Oh well, I don’t have to bury you….the other queers can do that. Oh, wait, they won’t because they don’t care about themselves let alone anyone else.

      • Dawn1257

        Tell you what. You likely have much more to worry over concerning yourself than you should to worry over me.

        Myself, I couldn’t be in better health, happier or better off, personally.

        Why don’t you just “quit”, ’cause nothing in your rant makes any sense……….at all.

  • ShepherdsLamb

    Well, sadly, there are some parents who are to blame. But some homosexuals had great parents. There are several things causing the increase in homosexuality in this day. The culture, peer pressure, the disgusting pop culture we have today, curiosity, girls trying it for something new, a new fad, rejection from the same sex, etc.

    No one should ever turn away from their child for any reason in my opinion, unless the child is violent towards them. But, no, no one is born homosexual. The science is not there to back that belief up.

    The truth is, homosexual attraction comes from the enemy of our souls. It’s temptation. It can’t be easy to be trapped in any sexual bondage, whether is this, or pornography, or any other. But it is possible, through Christ, and the battle is so, so worth it.

    If it wasn’t “learned”, then there would not be people who live heterosexual lives for decades and suddenly decide they are homosexuals.

    • Lightning Baltimore

      They didn’t “suddenly decide” they were gay. Rather, they decided, likely after many years of self-denial and self-hatred, to come out of the closet and live honest lives.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        How do you know this?

        • Dawn1257

          Ask them.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            I have. I happen to know a few.

          • Dawn1257

            Well, then why ask us?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Since I wasn’t asking you in the first place, why did you assert yourself into this conversation?

          • Dawn1257

            Well smarty pants, I just looked and didn’t find where you or the moderators said this was a private forum.

            BTW, ever hear of free speech? And, are you against that?

            If so, why?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            There also is not something that says I cannot make a specific statement to a specific person and not expect a response from that person, other than someone else.

            I did not ask for your opinion. So shut it.

          • Dawn1257

            I’ll be kind here.

            No. I won’t “shut it”.

            If I see something I want to comment on, believe me buster brown, I’ll make that comment. Including to your posts.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            And I will tell you to shut your mouth, freak. It works both ways, and very well, I might add.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            “Freak?” Did I accidentally end up on a grade school news site?

          • Dawn1257

            Ouch! Ohh! You hurt me! Who should I run to and tell?

            BTW, I don’t do “both ways”. Sorry.

          • johnny boatmann

            internet tough guy…probably wither and melt in person

        • Lightning Baltimore

          Personal experience, for one. Plus, I have yet to meet anyone who came out later in life who claims to have been completely straight prior to coming out.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            That’s because you have no idea what you are talking about, as you are implying those who became homosexuals as a direct result of sexual contact from (usually much older) members of the same sex enjoyed being sexually abused. And, yes, those people I know who have, admit it.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Your response shows you are the one with no idea what you are talking about. It would appear that you are desperate to cling to the widely discredited notion that gay folks are the result of molestation.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            It would appear that you are desperate to cling to the widely discredited notion that gay folks are the result of molestation.

            Don Lemon of CNN admitted on national television that he had been sexually molested when he was a child. Are you going to tell him to his face that not only was he born that way, but he actually enjoyed the abuse? And will you be willing to accept the a**-whoopin’ you’d get as a result?

          • rustywheeler

            Molestation is neither necessary nor sufficient to ‘make’ a person gay.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Liar.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Thank you for admitting you are a liar, Matthew.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            LOL is that a troll? FAIL.

          • johnny boatmann

            prove it

          • Truth Offends

            How do you know that young boys who, for years, are sexually molested by men won’t have homosexual desires as an adult?

          • Dawn1257

            How do you know that men who molest young girls won’t make those girls have heterosexual desires as an adult?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Dumbest comment of the day: August 8, 2014.

          • Dawn1257

            Then you should stop.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            But it fits your narrative directly! Thanks for admitting that there is no molestation/sexual orientation connection.

          • johnny boatmann

            are you the arbiter of all that is?

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            Fallacious question, you’re framing as a 1/1 correlation between molestation and homosexuality. From your language it doesn’t appear your accept the idea of sexual orientation since you talked about homosexual desires instead. How do you know a gay boy or girl who is molested won’t be a gay adult? How do you know a straight boy or girl who is molested won’t be a straight adult? Why is there some magical cross-over that occurs as a result of this trauma, or are you just parroting Antia Bryant, Bryan Fischer, and Peter LaBarbera. If you assume that homosexuality doesn’t exist, only homosexual desires, which are the result of molestation, your theory is self-confirming.What about heterosexual adults who were molested as children? Or maybe, do you think that gay children who are molested will be straight?

            So let me ask you this – isn’t, by your model, the Catholic church the largest homosexual factory on the planet? I would think Christians like yourself would want to do something about that!

          • Truth Offends

            So, I take it that you don’t know that young boys who, for years, have been molested by men won’t have homosexual desires as adults.
            Are you opposed to “change therapy” for children who have unwanted homosexual desires?

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            So, you did not read my previous answer, nor reply to the questions put to you; you don’t know that a gay boy or girl who is molested won’t be a gay adult. You don’t know that a straight boy or girl who is molested won’t be a straight adult.

            We cannot agree to terms, therefore anything remotely constructive is impossible. If you refuse to acknowledge the existence of homosexuality as a sexual orientation, and will only acknowledge it as a traumatic disorder, there is no answer I can give that will not have you circling back to your foregone conclusion. You don’t know that a young boy (it’s always boys, I’ve found, who are the topic of conversation. The misogyny that plays out in the anti-gay conversation pervades every level. Gay men are the primary target of hatred because they appear to threaten masculine norms, and women are largely excluded from the conversation because male homosexuality is somehow more of a threat, very obviously relegating women to a position of less importance), as I was saying, you yourself do not know as fact that a young boy who is molested is either heterosexual or homosexual. Not only because you cannot know this, but because you do not believe a child CAN be either homosexual or heterosexual. In your world a child is be heterosexual until there is a disruptive force which changes that.

            I am deeply opposed to adults whose understanding of human sexuality is fundamentally negative forcing their religiously-indoctrinated views and in the process irreparably damaging their child. I have two names for you: Kirk Murphy and George Rekers. As a legal adult, if you have been inculcated with the belief that you should hate yourself because of your own sexual orientation, nothing can really stop you from consulting the charlatans and predators that engage in this quack practice. Richard Cohen’s another good name to look up for an utter buffoon. Not to mention the 9 ex-gay leaders who signed a statement condemning the very hoax therapy they practiced for years.

          • Truth Offends

            You oppose “change therapy” to help minor boys who have unwanted homosexual desires–that may or may not be the direct result of sexual abuse by men. You truly are despicable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            Hope you have your sick-bucket standing by. After all, the truth offends.

            Anaphora does not make your argument more convincing nor does the fact that you have spoken PAST everything I have said. We cannot agree to terms, but your self-satisfaction makes it obvious you did not have any interest in doing more than parroting the idea that gay people were all molested, a correlation-causation fallacy which it is your burden to prove true, not mine to prove false.

            And you never did answer why you don’t want the Catholic Church shut down. By your reasoning, they’re practically a greenhouse for growing homosexuals.

          • Truth Offends

            To those who may be interested, I would like to say that contrary to what “dsqus_oCvsL4SBJH” says, I did not ever say or believe that “all gay people were molested”. Those are his/her words. Not mine.
            And, nearly everything he/she said was just a distraction. That’s why I did not address those things.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            Molestation is the only thing you have suggested as bring the cause of homosexuality. Do you believe there is any non-traumatic reason for homosexuality? It’s not like the core of your argument is not that homosexuality is pathological. My questions have been valid transitions of your theory and you refuse to answer them. I’m amused by your address of the full community. I suppose I’m getting the “talk to the hand” treatment.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            What have I said time and time again? These people are not only sick and despicable, they are also unbelievably selfish. If someone is miserable because they are in the homosexual lifestyle and wish to get out, the response the get from their fellow sodomites is, “Tough. We know you are miserable, and we want the misery to continue.”

            And if the person in question commits suicide, guess who gets the blame? Christians do.

          • johnny boatmann

            takes one to know one

          • Matthew T. Mason

            How old are you? 5?

          • johnny boatmann

            just trying to stay at your reading and comprehension level

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Trolling me is not going to work.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            What is selfish is a parent saying “I NEED my child to be straight, and I will do whatever it takes to make my child straight.” Families who have done that have lost children because of it. Kirk Murphy’s family will never get their son back, but it wasn’t until after their son was dead that they realized they should have just loved him for who he was. Selfish, much?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Nice attempt to change the subject. FAIL.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            When you so obviously slander a community, what can one do but change the subject to an actual instance of selfishness?

          • Michex

            Homosexuals in general seem to have never taken biology in high school. The value of procreation to the human race is not something they understand.
            They think marriage came about so that men can dominate others, that is, women. If that was the reason for marriage, men would have married wimpy men.
            Homosexuals are hopeless. Something happened to their brains.

          • Goodboy

            ..or maybe you and your fellow hypocrites are the root of the problem by continually calling them names and making them miserable. Yes. You do deserve 100% blame.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Your anecdote has no relevance. Furthermore, I would never tell someone they must have enjoyed being molested, nor would I suggest that anyone’s basic sexual orientation was altered by molestation.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Your anecdote has no relevance.

            I can assure you it is highly relevant to Mr. Lemon.

            I would never tell someone they must have enjoyed being molested

            Your own words say otherwise.

            nor would I suggest that anyone’s basic sexual orientation was altered by molestation.

            And when you don’t, you are either ignorant or a liar.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            Hypothetically, if we accept your absurd premise, should not almost all Catholic churches be shut down to prevent the molestation of children, and, continuing to work within the hypothetical, to prevent future homosexuals?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Don Lemon has stated publicly that he was born gay and that his molestation had nothing to do with it. Done lying, yet, Matthew?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Prove it. Links.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            I posted a link to an article on The Huffington Post, but BarbWire automatically flags comments with links for approval, so it may not show up for a while, if at all. You can find the article quite easily if you go to their website and search for “Don Lemon born gay.”

          • johnny boatmann

            people like matty hate the truth

          • Truth Offends

            How could someone possibly know they were supposedly “born gay”?

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            How would someone supposedly know they’re “born straight”? Scare quotes really don’t enhance your point. Did you ever think “okay. I’ve decided. I’m straight.” Assuming you are actually straight, did you even think about the identity label of your attractions until someone brought up a different identity label in contradistinction? A gay person doesn’t know they’re “born gay”, a gay person is attracted to people of the same sex, and society says “okay, that means you’re gay, because straight people are attracted to people of the opposite sex, and you’re attracted to people of the same sex.” The gay person says, “well, then, by these rules I’m gay.” It’s the label, the common currency by which we exchange ideas. If what you’re asking is “how can a homosexual person know his or her sexual orientation is innate?” the answer is simple: the same way a heterosexual person can know his or her sexual orientation is innate. The difference is that no one tells heterosexual people “your sexual orientation is definitely NOT innate, it’s an evil mental disorder or the result of molestation!”. Homosexual people get told that all the time. I’m sure more people will be told that because of Matt Moore’s activities, despite Matt’s own checkered (maybe I should say splattered) record – the blood of any children harmed by deceived parents will be on his hands.

          • Truth Offends

            It is despicable that you would place blame on someone who merely speaks words–to blame him for the spilt “blood” of children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            I wager there is almost nothing about me for which you wish I was not ashamed of myself. Kirk Murphy and George Rekers. Anyone who peddles the rhetoric that results in an LGBT child’s death, by fear and hatred like the woman who beat her 4 year old to death because she thought he was gay, or by driving their child to suicide is complicit in that child’s death. Matt Moore IS ashamed of himself, that’s why he feels he must shame others.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Posting a link at another site doesn’t mean much to me. How about here?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            My apologies if I was unclear. I posted the link here, as requested. BarbWire does not let comments with links go through automatically, however, so I told you where the article which I linked could be easily found.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Not the point. You post the link here. Capice?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            I posted it here, and, last I checked, BarbWire had not yet approved it. Capice?

          • johnny boatmann

            love it when you talk tough like that matt

          • johnny boatmann

            by whom/?

          • tomd

            None of the gay people I know were molested as children.

            Therefore, by the holy power of the anecdote, I hereby nullify your argument.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            None of the gay people I know were molested as children.

            And that means…what?

          • tomd

            Sure. It means that the intersection of the set of “gay people I know” and the set of “people who were molested as children” is the empty set.

            Does that make it clearer?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Maybe it would help if you drew a Venn diagram for him.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            I could draw a diagram of my middle finger for you as well.

          • johnny boatmann

            flagged for your overt display of christian love!

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Awww…you get your widdle feewings hurt? Call a waaaaambulance and grow the flip up.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            And you’ll know who’s not Christian by their hate, by their hate.
            Yes, you’ll know who’s not Christian by their hate.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            So, whenever you look up the word, “retarded” in the dictionary, are you surprised when you see your picture next to the entry?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Desperate to prove me right, aren’t you?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            1) You do not get to define Christianity for me or anyone else.

            2) I have no tolerance for willful, gross stupidity, namely yours.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            What an ugly show you put on on the ‘net. And to think you were complaining on this same board about ad hominems.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Excuse me, but will you just shut up? If you think for so much as a second I was put on this earth to wholeheartedly agree with and never question the sexual perversion that is homosexuality, you are going to get your heart broken.

            If you had even the vaguest modicum of intelligence you would simply let this drop. But no, you have let this go on for 38 frickin’ minutes.

            Do you think I am impressed?

          • johnny boatmann

            not here to impress anyone, esp you. are you mentruating? need a midol?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Funny, I do not remember asking you that question.

            Unless you and Lightning are one and the same.

            Flagged for possible duplicate account/sock puppet.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Do you find it that difficult to believe that there may just be more than one person who disagrees with you?

          • johnny boatmann

            public forum. I can respond to any post out there. Your type doesnt care for those with opposing viewpoints do ya? flagged back for whining

          • johnny boatmann

            your outpouring of true christian love is an example for all to see and revel in

          • johnny boatmann

            you should recognize the post as it is a spittin image of some of your postings

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Is “You are a liar” clear enough to you?

          • johnny boatmann

            None of my gay friends were molested either. You must be reading the discredited work of paul cameron or some other junk scientist doing their brand of research like pete labarbera.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            None of my gay friends were molested either.

            You can say that all you want. That doesn’t mean it is true.

            You see, if there is one thing I have learned in conversing with sodomites, it’s that you can tell when they are lying: Their lips move.

          • johnny boatmann

            the same can be said for your posts also. just because you say so doesn’t make it so.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            So all gays were molested and any who say they weren’t are liars. How do you sleep at night?

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      If you’re trapped in sexual bondage, you should have done it with a partner who could help untie you. Solo bondage comes with perils!

  • Lamont Cranston

    You’re kinda stupid. I like that in a man. Wanna get a drink?

    • Drew2U

      …Moore already was caught in 2013 with a Grindr profile. According to his last tweet today, he found a vein popped up in his bicep. So that new Grindr profile should be up any time now. And THIS is the guy with the unmitigated gall to school anyone.

      • thisoldspouse

        How would you know he has a Grindr profile unless you found him with Grindr?

        • Lightning Baltimore

          Someone with a Grindr profile saw Moore’s and notified reporters of his blatant hypocrisy.

          • thisoldspouse

            Homos lie – all the time. I’m betting this is just the latest one.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            *yawn*

          • johnny boatmann

            google is your friend. he even asked for forgiveness on-line. no need to lie to prove a point.

    • Benjamin

      I liked that comment :)

  • Lightning Baltimore

    Parents are 100% to blame! If opposite-sex couples completely stopped having children, homosexuality would be gone within one or two generations.

    • TampaDink

      As would the rest of the human race.

      • Lightning Baltimore

        Sacrifices are sometimes necessary for the greater good.

        • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

          That’s what exgay advocates think about the gay kids who kill themselves. Exhibit A: Kirk Murphy

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Sickeningly true, pretty much. :'(

  • Michael C.

    Hey Matt, can you unlock?

  • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

    I wonder, Matt Moore, do you think that if you can get other gay kids to kill themselves or if you can get other parents of gay kids to hate their children that god will love you? Do you honestly think that pretending to be cured of being gay will make these Christians love you? Do you think that damaging other people’s lives, that making a career out of manipulating parents through an appeal to their religion will allow you to finally love yourself? It won’t. You’re a hypocrite. And you are accessory to murder in the deaths of any LGBT children whose parents believe what you have written. You are a monster who worships nothing but the destruction which you believe your own God wishes upon you. And you are still. Totally. Gay.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      What does this have to do with the article in question??

      • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

        What did Ted Haggard’s pronouncements on gay people have to do with his own sexuality? What did Reker’s have to do with his sexuality? Larry Craig? Alan Chambers? John Paulk? Moore is just another in a list of gay, self-hating ex-gay-therapy proponents or demonizes of LGBT people. He has no regard for the damage to LGBT children his words may cause.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          The only thing you are doing is attacking the author of the piece without addressing anything he actually wrote.

          This is what is commonly known as the ad hominem argument. And only those unable to make a real argument would do this.

          • johnny boatmann

            Not too bright are you? he’s showing the author to be the hypocrite that he is.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            I have demonstrated, by his own hypocritical behavior, that he cannot be an authority on this subject. He is peddling a snake oil solution. Every legitimate sociological, psychological, pediatric, and medical instution agrees that attempting to change one’s sexual orientation is ineffective and harmful to the children who are subjected to it. Moore’s own ‘lapses’ evince this inefficacy and yet he encourages parents to not accept their LGBT children’s orientation in the hope for change? He can’t even change himself.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            I have demonstrated

            that you are intellectually weak if you cannot talk about the article.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            Ad hominem. You refuse to see the relation between my comments and the article because you don’t like my comments.

    • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

      Sounds like someone who is completely retarded and hasn’t learned how to read. And again, what does this have to do with the article in question? ANSWER: NOT A DA** THING!!!

  • Benjamin

    I agree with disqus. A predictable load of glib theistic nonsense with foreseeably (and wrongfully) harmful effects on third parties, mostly young ones, and mostly by way of reinforcing the uncomprehending herd bigotry of their parents. Nonetheless, I guess I have to admire the cognitive dissonance of a fire-and-brimstone original-sin obsessed Augustinian who peddles this sort of stuff while simultaneously reaching out for some non-self-loathing gay friends via Grindr. I hope you keep trying, on the latter score, and that eventually – following in the footsteps of many a religiously indoctrinated ‘ex-gay’ before you – you eventually find both friends who’ll accept you for what you are and somebody to love and be loved by (ambitious though the latter order is for an app, admittedly…). I just hope you don’t waste your whole youth before getting to that point, because you don’t get a do-over. Good luck!

  • Lester Scates

    Sorry Mom and Dad no grand children for you.

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