Can a Third Party be Formed Without Helping Democrats Win?


When one speaks with fellow Republicans about the future of the GOP, it is common to receive some negative feedback. This is because many conservative/libertarian Republicans feel the party has simply not done enough to challenge the Obama agenda. There is a widespread feeling among the rank and file that the country is hurtling toward socialism while Republican leaders sit on the sidelines and either do nothing or propose ways to manage socialism more effectively.

And the corruption and illegality of the Obama regime has been breathtaking, making LBJ and Nixon look like rank amateurs. How many people have been indicted for Fast and Furious? Zero. If Bush had used the IRS to harass his political opponents, there is little doubt impeachment motions would have been introduced. But no such impeachment motions have been forthcoming. The Federal budget is completely out of control but all the Republicans do is submit their own series of “earmarks.” We don’t want the GOP to pursue a “socialism-lite” agenda. We want them to go on the warpath and do whatever it takes to stop the destruction of our constitutional Republic.

Moreover, many people wonder if the GOP will have the stomach to repeal ObamaCare if we ever have the political power to do so. Nor does it appear that the GOP is able to hold strong on immigration issues. The border has been out of control for much longer than the current crises and yet all we hear from Republican leaders is various amnesty proposals. We have gangsters and jihadists coming across the border threatening our security and yet the GOP leadership just endlessly mimics all the rhetoric the liberals dish out.

Even more appalling has been the war on the Tea Party/conservative wing of the GOP. The party establishment has been caught numerous times using the party infrastructure to favor RINO candidates over conservatives. Indeed, the illegal tactics used by Senator Thad Cochran to defeat Tea Party favorite Chris McDaniel in the Mississippi primary were beyond the pale. Cochran essentially stole that election and requests for the party to investigate all the irregularities have fallen on deaf ears. We’ve also heard Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell boasting about how he would like to crush the Tea Party.

It has become increasingly clear that the GOP leadership will do everything in its power to prevent the party from being influenced in any way by the Tea Party. I have given up on the GOP and am simply not sure it can ever be reformed. I would never have said this a few years ago, but it may be time to create a conservative Third Party.  Sarah Palin, among others, has suggested doing just this. But how do we do form a new Third Party without handing the Democrats many electoral victories for years to come?

The biggest obstacle to creating a Third Party is the fear conservatives have that by voting Third Party, it will weaken the GOP, thus allow more Democrats to win. And that’s a legitimate fear and is why all Third Parties in existence today receive only a few percentage points every election and have zero impact upon the political process.

However, there is a way to create a Third Party without helping the Democrats win and that involves using the power of the internet to create a Third Party on paper but not launch it until it is strong enough to be competitive.

For a Third Party to be effective, millions of voters need to join it, become active, recruit others and support its candidates. Moreover, millions of dollars would need to be raised to market the party and fight for ballot access changes.  I propose that a website be set up that collects pledges.  By that, I mean a person would log on, register themselves, and then electronically sign a “pledge” that commits him or her to vote for a Third Party when the party officially launches.  Of course, such a pledge cannot be legally binding, but I doubt most voters would go through the process of registering themselves online unless they were serious. Of course, there would be some fraud, but that would be factored in when determining how much support the new party has.

The when part is the key to this effort. When the number of pledges reaches, say, twenty million voters nationwide, only then does the party launch and actually field candidates.  The same kind of tactic could be used to raise money for the new party. When contribution pledges reaches, say, $50 million dollars, the party launches.  No more feeble third parties that get 1% of the vote.

Again, let me emphasize this. A new competitive and viable party will be created only when and if the appropriate number of pledged voters and pledged donations is reached. This guarantees that the party will be a viable force from the first day it launches.

Once the party launches and it is obvious to voters that it will be a viable party, I predict many more voters will pile on. The new party will do to the GOP what the GOP did to the Whig Party 150 years ago: it will replace the GOP as the main party contesting the Democrat Party. We would also need a stable of respected national conservative leaders such as Sarah Palin and others to lead the charge on such an effort. A well-funded marketing plan would be needed with a heavy emphasis on using the social media. Such an effort may take years but even the process of building a viable Third Party may be beneficial. It will send a strong message to the Republican Party that if it continues its liberal drift, it will be replaced. Perhaps even the mere existence of such an effort will possibly save the GOP.

There is also the possibility that such an effort could be undertaken in a few states at first, just to see if such a model would actually work. So instead of collecting, say, twenty million pledges nationwide, we collect two million pledges in Iowa and then launch the party in that state. If this model works in a few states, we then expand it nationwide.

However, it will not be enough to create a Third Party and hope that millions of disaffected voters will automatically join it. Some thinking will need to go into creating a party platform.  Voters will not break from the GOP unless the new Third Party has a compelling platform that will unite conservatives, libertarians, the Christian Right, and the Tea Party movement.  These groups all have their differences but I believe we can find a consensus on dozens of constitutional principles such as downsizing the federal government, balancing the budget, reforming entitlements, cutting taxes across the board, defense of the 2nd amendment, the elimination of earmarks and crony capitalism, the development of our natural resources for our energy needs and so forth.

Even on the social issues, I believe a coalition between social and fiscal conservatives could be formed around the issue of eliminating all federal abortion funding, reversing Roe vs. Wade (let the states fight it out), and prohibiting the Federal government from granting special rights to people based upon sexual behavior (laws that almost always infringe on our religious, property, and freedom of association rights). I believe such a platform would unite all factions of conservatives and libertarians.

The internet has been used to unite millions of people for all kinds of causes.  Why can’t it be used to build the infrastructure of a new Third Party?    For this to become a reality, a group of respected leaders from the Tea Party, the Christian Right, and the libertarian right would have to come together to form this new party, agree on a set of principles and then launch the website to be used to college pledges.

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  • junkmailbin

    the answer is your half arsed third party would enable the Democrats to cement themselves as the sole political party in the United States. They would pull of a trifeca of power (president, senate, and House) . This time they would power legislate the country to death with unconstitutional laws, confirm only dedicated liberals to the bench and presidential edicts.
    Better start getting off arses and work at the local Republican level and take control of county and state party organizations.
    Waltz our screechy voiced Palin and you will turn off many possible volunteer.
    You remind me of Glenn Beck. All ego and willing to destroy the country for personaql gain

    • Dawn1257

      What your voice here represents is a small picture of the impossibility that these “third party” dreamers know their concoction would fail by.

      The answer to republican success is really simple. Dump the hard right loons and woo back the blue collar dems.

      In fact I’d enforce a “litmus test”. If you call for enforcement legislation and or restrictions to ANY issues of personal liberties that are currently NOT ILLEGAL then you are not a republican and not welcome to participate in republican activities.

      • Michex

        Yes, personal liberties favored by many homosexuals: like lowering the age of consent so you guys can “love” younger boys who “need it” because “they don’t get it at home.”
        This is “personal liberty” – that is, “if you can do something without hurting someone else, and they consent, why not do it, right?”
        This is what the S and M crowd wants: they consent to inflicting pain on only themselves. Same with underage sex: if the boy is mature, why not let him have an adult homosexual man to guide him, right?
        Who are you to tell a 12 year old boy what to do, Dawn157?

        • johnny boatmann

          again, creepy dude

        • vorpal

          Where do you get this stuff??? Lowering the age of consent? What the hell?

          The S&M crowd is neither equal to nor a subset of the LGBT community.

        • Dawn1257

          When you see disgust in your mind, it’s not from anyone LGBT. It’s from the hatred of the person staring back at you from your own mirror.

          You need counseling. Seriously.

  • Michex

    Maybe a 3rd party can take aim at some Congressman and beat him as a test case.

    • Sams_1

      je pense que OUI Michex, quelque Congressman?

  • Patrick

    I very much support conservatives forming a viable third party. I think it would be very beneficial for the country, and I’m only partially saying that because I’m a liberal who’d like the short-term gains it would provide the Democrats.

    If conservatives do manage to form a hard-right party of their own that manages to reach “critical mass”, I see the long-term situation playing out one of two ways. The first way is that with the wing-nuts gone, the GOP finally stops trying to pander to them and moves back to a place where it can make reasonable compromises with Democrats and actually get stuff done. The Republican party might even drop some of the stances that alienate entire demographics, like how opposition to gay rights completely turns off voters under 30. The second possibility is that the conservative vote is split long enough for liberals to gain ground and reform the district jerrymndering and voter suppression laws, which are the only things keeping Republicans in power.

    Of course, since absolutely nothing in the “party platform” laid out in this article substantially differs from the Republican party platform, it’s far more likely that this third party would just fizzle out entirely.

  • Progressive Patriot

    There are many who are SCREAMING for the Tea Party crowd and others to form a national third political party. It would return the GOP back to the party of Reagan, Goldwater, and … sanity to be used as a foil against the more lunatic aspects of the Democratic Party.

    In the interim, formation of such a party would allow the Supreme Court and entire federal judiciary to be finally packed with progressive jurists who can provide some element of reasonable jurisprudence to the law. The Tea Party crowd could finally learn a little Poly Sci 101 and that politics is about the “art of the possible” and abandon their jihad against “compromise.”

    Establishment of a third party would further expose the nihilist, anarchical elements that completely saturate the Tea Party constituents who robotically and reflexively ALWAYS favor destruction and dismantling rather than constructive repair. Over time the masses will see that the Tea Party is no different from a pure anarchy party abandoning the rule of law in favor of a singular interpretation of our founding documents which makes governance impossible.

    Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome is PRECISELY what Tea Party advocates envision as American governance. It will be nice to give them a chance to demonstrate it to the world.

    • Blinknone

      There’s a reason Goldwater got thumped. And the country is far more liberal today than it was then.

    • Warren Dew

      Pure anarchy would be better than what we have now.

      • Sams_1

        DEW tell WARREN, lets have more of your PURE ANARCHY ideas

  • vorpal

    You talk about uniting some conservative groups, and then insist it be done under your social agendas. By that point, you’ve already alienated those groups and sunk your own idea.

  • James Lopure

    Christian theocrats combining with the far-right Tea Party types to form a third-party would destroy the GOP and the influence of conservatives everywhere but the most socially backwards areas of the country, perhaps forever. I say go for it.

    • Sams_1

      Please give ex or define “far right and then far right wing Tea Party
      and now Christian theocrats. Wow you are just some work but I do not expect an answer

  • Gabriel Ewing

    “Voters will not break from the GOP unless the new Third Party has a compelling platform that will unite conservatives, libertarians, the Christian Right, and the Tea Party movement. ”

    This is why this idea fails. This is just infighting in the current GOP coalition, dividing up the same slice of pie. A third party needs to appeal to both the disenfranchised on the right (the tea party) as on the left (Occupy).

    Obviously these two groups can’t merge, but elements of their agendas aren’t dissimilar. Both sides feel their party is beholden to and corrupted by corporate overlords. Both sides feel that the current powers that be are lining their pockets at the countries expense.

    What I don’t think works as a third party are culture warriors. We have spent years with a disfunctional congress, people that go to Washington to be heroic martyrs in a losing battle just add to the status quo. A washington that deals with its problems with planning and clarity is preferable to a washington passes a 10 month transportation bill with accounting gimmicks.

    • Donovan

      Well said.

  • tchowski

    I very much support Teapublicans splintering their party into radical wings – the hater bigots in one corner and the billionaire corporatists in the other! Ensure a democratic presidency for decades to come. I mean, the poor fundies have been voting Republican for decades now, but once Republicans get into power, they don’t really do anything for them. Abortion is stilla Constitutionally-protected right of all American women, despite the Radical attempts of some states to force their mythology onto everyone else. And the ignorant poor keep voting for the corporate billionaires because they don’t understand economics, so they cannot link the falling fortunes of the middle-class with the policies of the parasite billionaire class and their cronies in Congress. Please, oh please make a new party with Sarah Palin as your intellectual leader. Sure, you’ll win all the racist’s votes, but hey, you’ve already got those votes. I mean, it’s not like ALL Republicans are racist bigot haters, your just “pallin’ around with” them, as your queen of ignorance would say. Keep it up Teabaggistan, The more you spew your vile hatred of women and gays and blacks and mexicans and science and other people’s voting rights and observable reality and the working poor and rich people paying taxes, the more a changing America turns from you in annoyance and disgust. Palin/Jesus 2016! Because really, what other choices do you have?

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  • NathansExplosions

    I support any efforts to build a national political party that features Sarah Palin.

    Let’s do this!!!

  • Jack

    3rd party or not the GOP has made it plenty clear to me that they do not welcome the likes of myself in the Republican Party. In many ways the GOP Establishment Party is even more socialist than the Democrats. One thing the Democrats have going for them that the Republicans lack is a spine. The Party of “I fear you’ll call me a Racist” does not welcome me and does not welcome anyone else who is not afraid of Holder and Obama. Far as I’m concerned this Party of “please don’t call me a Racist because it hurts my feelings” can go their own way. I used to think the Democrats ate their young. Boy was I mistaken. The Republicans are morally corrupt in as much as they are afraid to stand up for what is right, what is truth. The Republican leadership is only interested in getting more morally corrupt Republicans elected to office and could care less about right and wrong, truth and Justice. They only want to get elected and they think that will give them power, and that truth and Justice can be sacrificed over and over as long as the GOP Establishment and the Chamber of Communist gets their way. Good bye to all you unprincipled GOP. Maybe we’ll meet again in the next life.

  • Arthur Adams

    Please, please let this happen. Please, create a third party where the Christofascists are isolated by themselves. Then maybe the adults can run this country again.

    • Sams_1

      Hey…. “isolated by themselves” whoa THAT kind of isolation huh

      .Lordy that is just what Christ needs right now you foooooooool
      Adults can run this country again you need your mommy?

  • elpinche

    Yes, please do it! Let’s contain the stupid and crazy in one place.

  • elpinche

    What should we call it? The Quitter Party ? The Patriotard Party? The “Let’s Split the Vote and Make Conservative Lose Elections Forever” Party?

    • Sams_1

      That would be yo mama.This is a new plan dummy

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  • mike hunt

    The right uses violence because they are unable to participate in the normal debate in politics, which requires you to be at least open to the possibility that your opponent may be correct on a particular issue. The right-wing media (and to a lesser extent, the left as well in their own way) has poisoned the debate by making obama, democrats to be “traitors”, “terrorist sympathizers”, “socialists”, people who should be forcibly removed from power rather than negotiated with.


  • Groty1

    Read Angelo Codevilla. He thinks that what you’re suggesting is inevitable.

    Approval ratings for Congress are at an all time low. Only 31% of people polled are willing to identify themselves as Democrats. Sounds bad, until you realize that only 26% consider themselves Republicans. Independents are the fastest growing group, at 42%. People are fed up with Congress and with both parties. If you happened to follow the elections in the UK, an upstart party called the United Kingdom Independent Party (UKIP) came out of nowhere and turned the national electoral politics in the UK upside down. When people are fed up with the status quo, as approval ratings of Congress and party identification numbers suggest, it can happen here. But the problem with what you are suggesting is that you sound like you want to split the Republican Party in two. That is suicide. It can only work if you can tailor the appeal broadly enough to canibalize a sizeable minority of voters from BOTH the Republican and Democrat parties. I’ve considered Ralph Nader to be a gadfly for the past 35 years. But what he is saying now makes some sense. He argues in his new book that the “far left” and the “far right” now agree on several issues (he listed curtailing the NSA surveillance state, breaking up the “too big to fail” banks, auditing the Federal Reserve, and several other issues as examples). So if you can create an agenda that appeals to both the “far left” and the “far right”, it may work IF it is well organized and well funded. The two establishment parties have a monopoly on power and they don’t like sharing it with others. So organization and money are at least as important as political philosophy. But whatever happens you can’t simply divide the Republican Party and cede total power to Democrats. Democrats have demonstrated they can not be trusted to govern. With less than two years of total control they nationalized the health insurance industry, banking and came within a whisker of nationalizing energy. Giving Democrats total control again will be national suicide.

  • Deonne Williams

    As stated by a friend in response to this being shared on Facebook: I could get behind this. It would allow you to compartmentalize crazy stupid and package it’s irrelevance into the trash can where it belongs. I could respect those that embraced the empress of wingnut flying monkeys of weaponized stupidity and wore that straight jacket like they owned it rather than hide in the folds of putrid fat that is the Republican Party. It’s them that have ruined the party trying to make it something it’s not and using the two party monopoly to take advantage of party donations and funding. Let them be their own clown car of the ridiculous running on a platform of legitimate rape, medieval civil rights, misogyny, pseudo science and theocratic belligerence. This way we could see who their donors were and they couldn’t hide under the umbrella of the GOP.

  • rarey4

    Go ahead form a third party and stop associating yourself with Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower and all the other Republicans you hate.

  • James Knauer

    The GOP will be kept off the electoral college map until some significant disruption occurs, and that will not yield results until 2024, soonest.

  • WildBill0283

    Conservatives need to fight dirty. They need to create a mock “Green” party solely to take votes from the Democrats.

    • Honey Badger

      They already did that. It was called “the Green Party”.

      • Donovan


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  • Michex

    I favor the creation of a third party made up of homosexual Democrats and independents.
    This party would be called the HOMOCRATS.
    It would not only adopt the Homosexual agenda, but would advance it light-years ahead.
    For example, the HOMOCRATS would push for affirmative action for homosexuals, bisexuals, and the kinds of people who frequent gay pride parades: the S and M crowd, guys who go around exposing their butt-cheeks, drag queens, bull dykes, and the occasional child molester.

    The Homocrats would push for mandatory homosexual sexual intercourse for high school kids who were otherwise sexually active.
    Homosexual sex toys would be given to poor families who otherwise could not afford them.

    Come to think of it, why create the Homocrats when you already have basically the same party: Democrats.

    • johnny boatmann

      your obsession with sex between gay people is really creepy

      • Sams_1

        read with impunity I am sure

    • vorpal

      Unlike you, WE don’t need to make our own political party, as unlike you, we have the support of sane people all across the country.

      Your ideas about gay people are utterly ridiculous. I have never met a gay person who supports child molesters, and I’m not sure how deep you had to delve into your well of the stupid to find a gem like, “mandatory homosexual intercourse for high school kids…”

      Wow, dude. Get a clue. Seriously. Actually, don’t: your histrionics win us more allies all the time, since nobody wants to be associated with loony madness.

      • Sams_1

        vorpal , your cat is very sanguine but should know a joke when”she ” sees one

        • vorpal

          It’s a he, and trust me, Michex is not joking.

    • karenann

      Dude, you really need to come out of the closet. We know you’re embarrassed that you’re gay. Come out! Come out! It’s all right!

      • Sams_1

        a sling shot form the playground rapidly fells “it”

    • Sams_1

      …and independents? Pour quoi, mon la la land?

  • Warren Dew

    I think the Christian Right is already pretty well represented by the Republican party.

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  • Progressive Patriot

    Followed the link, what nonsense. Anti-NAFTA ?!?!? What sort of lunacy is that ? Take an econ class and get back to us. Maybe read some Hayek, Milton Friedman, and others. Free trade is good for all involved.

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  • Arationofreason

    A nice discussion of what is needed to launch a conservative party. Caution, using Sara Palin as a leader in the effort because she has been perceived by the public to be too inexperienced and dare I say Intellectually limited to be the Reaganesqe figure which is going to be required. I respect Palins patriotism this is merely a practical matter of her lack of full support in some quarters and vulnerability to attacks from the left.
    Carry on with the third party efforts apparently the survival of the Republic is at stake.

  • Roland W. Bailey

    Sarah Palin is to adult conversation as a potted plant is to nuclear physics lectures.

    • blowingoffgodot

      And even then, the plant has the decent manners to not interrupt.

      • Sams_1

        which is what YOU just did

    • Sams_1

      That is what they told you to say. That is why she is form the start celebrated by serious Conservatives- and even during the McCain abuse of her image for questionable reasons after all ,-has survived and invited to CPAC year after year and writes mobilizes and functions as a states-person more able than had she been VP..
      And YOU are

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  • Donovan

    About a 100 things in there that you assume guilt for have either been debunked or not even serious. IRS? They’ve already revealed they targeted liberal groups just as much. Lack of moderation is why Republicans didn’t win against Obama.

    Please, please make a 3rd party. Make a liberal happy.

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  • haMhanded

    Please please please create a Palin lead party. Might want Bachmann to be ready for when Sarah quits in the middle of her duties. Steve King would be great at heading up minority outreach and Todd Akin can tell all the ladies what they want. This would be funnier then a Benny Hill sketch and the music would be much more appropriate. Comedy gold.

    • Sams_1

      to you the lonely -now get off moms ‘puter shes comin home with your back to school stuff

      • haMhanded

        Awwww did I hut someones feelings.

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  • Sams_1

    Lets call it a new Independent part (no caps yet) OF
    MCDANIEL AND WOLF AND CARR.. But IT SEEMS the evil in now in the Rino camp of huge bankrolled take down of true American statesmen -whom I can imagine , one and all being humiliators of us all being found in batrooms with a “wide stance”

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