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12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children

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“Surely you don’t believe all homosexuals are child molesters!” That’s the indignant response to growing concerns about open, proud homosexuals having such easy access to children and teens. New policies granting unprecedented rights to those involved in homosexual behavior connect more and more children to these proud sinners. Outright pedophilia aside, there are still many opportunities for these deviant adults to interact with and negatively influence children.

I write this article with great sadness, because every day that goes by means more vulnerable children are deceived, corrupted and enticed down roads that take them far, far from their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Yet America’s attitude, even that of the Christian church, seems to be, “Oh, well– as long as they play the right sports and have lots of friends on Facebook!” But what happens to our sons and daughters when we don’t confront and expose this danger?

Every time I think of quitting this difficult battle, the Lord gently reminds me about the children. Libertarians act as if all humans are over the age of eighteen, but every behavior we tolerate as adults trickles down to impressionable children. The public debate about “gay rights” often forgets the youngest victims of the deception and the impact on their unfolding lives. We have to keep trying to expose the problems presented by homosexual political activism even as we try to rescue those caught up in this behavior.

Here are 12 reasons why homosexual adults and children do not mix:

1. Adults proudly living a homosexual life are disastrous role models. That lesbian teacher may be a personable expert in her subject, but her immoral lifestyle may mislead children. As she proclaims that homosexuals are always victims, displays the picture of her partner or “wife,” and befriends confused “LBGT” youth, many kids will come to exactly the wrong conclusion: “Ms. Warren seems nice, so the ‘gay’ life must be okay.”

2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. Same -sex- coupled parents live a huge lie, deceiving themselves and the children, because they were not “born this way,” this is not “marriage,” and they are in all probability engaging in physically risky behaviors, like males who have anal sex . Just talk to emergency room doctors to find out the harmful outcomes of “faux” intercourse. These relationships can turn volatile in a second, with higher rates of domestic violence, putting everyone in the household at risk. Homosexual adults are typically high consumers of pornography, another element poisonous to the young.

Children from such homes have more problematic lives as young adults, according to a study by Dr. Mark Regnerus, findings spurned by vocal homosexual activists in America. Still, the study was academically validated by the University of Texas.

3. Transvestite men or “drag king” women are deeply disturbing to children. Gender confusion is deep delusion, denying the obvious while constructing a complicated pretense. It appears scary and phony to children because it is. In public schools, these confused people expect to keep their teaching jobs (like Gary Sconce at Yosemite High School), insisting on their selfish goals regardless of the impact on students. Grade school children are now being taught in programs like “Welcoming Schools” that a schoolmate or teacher dressing and acting as the opposite sex is not bizarre and disordered, but everyone else must adjust and cooperate with the deceit. So in California, boys are now playing on the girls’ softball team and little children are being encouraged to switch genders if they wish.

By law in New Jersey and California, a teen’s homosexual feelings can’t be changed by counseling because it’s “harmful,” but gender remains infinitely flexible. And we wonder why children don’t respect adults.

4. Students are sometimes blank slates for the indoctrination plans of homosexual political activists, teachers and others. These innocent minds are taught to affirm sexual perversion, but often in concert with the entire platform of destructive, leftist causes. GLSEN (the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network) has launched local and regional youth conferences to do exactly this. Mom and Dad may be in the dark, because indoctrination programs prey especially on the neglected child with preoccupied parents. It’s a recipe for creating the low-information junior barbarian with an anarchist, “Occupy Wall Street” mentality.

5. Now to the dynamite question: yes, some homosexually-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “LGBT” adults do this is anyone’s guess. It’s not all of them, of course, but it certainly seems to occur disproportionately more than among heterosexuals. There is a contingent within homosexual circles pushing for adults to gain more access to minors, sometimes disguised as support for “questioning” kids. When allegations about celebrities assaulting youth are made, the left is silent. The major homosexual groups do nothing to discourage those adults among them who would betray and violate children in this way. The latest Hollywood pedophile scandal about homosexual producer Bryan Singer and others is a big yawn for the mainstream media.

And there’s little justice for victimized children. Larry Brinkin, a former San Francisco Human Rights Commission official and “gay” icon, was caught with child porn—men having sex with toddler boys– and will only serve a mere six months of his sentence. Homosexual groups support lunacy like Harvey Milk Day in California public schools. It’s a school event honoring the former San Francisco city official murdered for reasons unrelated to homosexuality, yet still portrayed as a “gay” martyr. Milk had an open preference for underage teen boys.

Community homosexual clubs for youth often accept 13-year-olds (or even younger kids) with no identification or permission from parents required, who then interact and socialize with homosexual adults. To understand how important youth are to the “gay” movement, witness the recent pressure on the Boy Scouts to allow openly homosexual boys in their troops. The activities, reading material and programs of groups like GLSEN and Human Rights Campaign seem to create open doors for sexual violation, even if the groups claim it’s not explicitly encouraged.

Homosexuals scream over such accusations, but all it would take to prevent conservatives from making such claims is to see a visible effort by major “gay” groups to limit access, punish victimizers, and protect children. No such effort is ever done—quite the opposite–so I among others will keep re-stating the obvious: children and adult homosexuals are a dangerous combination.

6. Exposure of kids to pornographic material is fine with these folks. It’s “censorship” if we don’t allow children to explore textual and visual pornography that steals their innocence and seduces some into an early sexual debut. From the American Library Association to health educators, to school counselors who meet with children in private, to advocacy groups, the “LGBT” lobby has no problem with ten-year-olds reading graphic sexual material, attending nudity-laden “pride” events, or mixing with unknown adults who “chaperone” homosexual proms for youth. They essentially don’t care if children become corrupted, probably because many of them were similarly seduced as children.

7. Children quickly learn from homosexual adults that Christians are the “enemy.” Much effort is devoted to smearing and demonizing believers, who form the main obstacle to unrestricted sexual license. For this reason if nothing else, Christian churches should be taking an active and visible stand against homosexual political goals and the interactions of these folks with children. It’s no wonder open homosexuals are taking aggressive, unjust steps to silence or undermine the Christian church.

8. Despite health risks that are well documented by the Centers for Disease Control and other agencies, children seldom hear the whole story in public schools or anywhere else and in fact, are often deliberately misled. The homosexual/pro-abortion network makes sure that sex educators in public schools normalize practices like anal and oral sex, push condom use and even low-dose drugs as the panacea for well-known risks, minimizing the potential life-altering consequences.

9. Parental rights are mocked and dismissed by the adult leaders of the homosexual lobby. The founder of GLSEN, Kevin Jennings, famously said, regarding conservative objections to the promotion of homosexuality to kids, “F*** ‘em!”In many schools where homosexual clubs exist ( often called “gay-straight alliances”), parents are not notified if a son or daughter joins one, and yet within these clubs are often other students advocating and already involved in homosexual sex, and an adult homosexual teacher “advisor” as well.

10. The real experiences of ex-homosexuals are deliberately withheld from students. Talk about the subject of “LGBT” issues as much as possible with teens, but when this angle comes up, there’s immediate scoffing and censorship. Children are quickly told to never take seriously the possibility of change, and to back this up, laws have been passed in California and New Jersey to prevent counselors from helping teens change homosexual feelings. They are free to help a 12-year-old change genders, however.

11. By demonizing conservative views, “gay” activists mount a wall preventing many kids from hearing the whole story. Homosexuals use the cyberspace environment to try to destroy those who tell children and their parents the truth. The Southern Poverty Law Center has named as “hate groups” many responsible, pro-family Christian groups trying to sound the alarm about child-homosexual interactions. Full disclosure: my group, Mission America, is unfairly named among these.

12. By early corruption, homosexuals may put a stumbling block in the way of eternal salvation for many children, one that is often difficult to overcome. God has one message on this behavior and it’s a loud and unchanging “No.” Genesis 19, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, is not a story accidentally included in the biblical narrative, but serves as a shocking picture of where this lifestyle leads. It’s a dire warning, spelling out the grave consequences for societies that embrace or tolerate this conduct.

Homosexuality is called an “abomination” in Leviticus. The Apostle Paul calls it a degrading passion in Romans 1. How can we ignore this? And how can we ignore the words of Jesus in Matthew 18: 6 warning that those who lead children into sin will be punished so severely that a millstone may as well be tied around their necks as they are thrown into the sea? Yet so-called “gay Christians” have growing influence among young Americans.

We may be moving from a time where our biggest challenge was to witness to homosexuals, into a time where our biggest task is to protect the innocent from them. There are exceptions, of course, and I count on all my fellow believers to have the discernment to recognize those opportunities. But what greatly grieves me is that so few see the need for protection that is clearly before us. Too often the approach is to have no fear as we toss our children out in the world with no defense.

Well, the wolves are ready for them. Let’s hope there’s still time to pull them back inside before it’s too late.

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  • Theodore Fenton

    Ms. Harvey admits she belongs to a hate group. Now suddenly it all seems so clear.

    • 19gundog43

      Anyone who reveals the truth about sodomy is a “HATER”. Try to come us with something that is not so worn out Cupcake.

      • garybryson

        You need some new material sugar britches!

        • 19gundog43

          Looks little Gary is out of school for the summer.

          • garybryson

            Thanks cupcake

          • vorpal

            Maturity level: 0.
            Big surprise there.

      • vorpal

        Not at all. I’m all for the truth on sodomy. What about oral and anal copulation would you like to reveal as truth?

    • Cheyenne W.

      Admitting something is the first step toward acceptance. It’s just a shame that it’s not reality that she admits.

    • Jacobus Arminius

      She admits that she has been wrongly called a hater.

      • garybryson

        She is nothing more than a lying vile bigot

        • 19gundog43

          Wow. Brilliant. Looks like the middle school is out for the summer and little Gary has his mothers’ keyboard.

          • garybryson

            Another MENSA level reply from gun troll…LOL!

          • vorpal

            Gundog, congratulations on turning five and a half – at least mentally.

          • penguin_boy

            Replace all reference to homosexuals with “Jews” or “blacks”. It’s vile bigotry.

      • vorpal

        She is the worst of the worst. I would be hard-pressed to think of a life form more wretched, vile, and in need of being doused with salt than Linda Harvey.

        I have been trying quite hard to be more loving, compassionate, patient, and listening in general in my everyday life, both online and offline; however, Linda Harvey is the one person who is so ugly, through and through, that I could never bring myself to experience anything but contempt and pity for her.

    • Linda Harvey

      Theodore, I have never admitted to any such thing. Just more vicious name-calling.

      • Rob T

        Linda, do you care to address your previous false statements about Uganda’s original anti-gay bill?

      • Matthew T. Mason

        Linda, that’s all they know how to do: Insult and slander. These guys take to the truth like a vampire to sunlight, which is why they hate you so much.

        I would take it, of course, as confirmation.

        • Theodore Fenton

          If we’re speaking of insults and slander, I cite the above items 1 through 12.

          • vorpal

            These people fail to recognize that the SPLC has very, very rigid standards about what constitutes a hate group. If you’ll notice, NOM has never been deemed (yet) a hate group, because Haggie Gallagher, for all her flaws, is a very intelligent woman and was quite careful to make everybody toe the line and NOT use lies and misconceptions to elicit discrimination against LGBT people.

            Linda, Bryan, Peter, Tony and the rest of the hate group posse may have wonderful imaginations, but that’s precisely what’s led them to earning their official Hate Group badge of distinction.

          • 19gundog43

            Being on the corrupt and disgusting SPLC “hate” list is a shining badge of honor. Someone please nominate me.

          • Theodore Fenton

            You obviously take pride in your hatred. What a sad individual you must be.

        • garybryson

          You would know as you spend the entorety of your time on here name calling. What a moronic whiner you have become MTM. Poor oppressed pseudo christian

      • vorpal

        Linda! There you are! I thought I felt an evil, spine tingling chill waft over the comments section, and I looked up, expecting the Duchess Bry-bry Fischer, but lo and behold, it had a distinctly aggressive, masculine presence, so I should have known it was you!

      • 19gundog43

        That’s all they have. LIAR, HATER, HOMOPHOBE. It really gets boring after a while. They sound like a bunch of little Pewee Hermans. Funny for the first 10 minutes. Can someone PLEASE give these clowns a new script!

  • fredk

    The reason your little group is labelled a hate group is because you deliberately distort the truth – like saying the Regnerus study was vindicated and linking to an article from 2012, while conveniently omitting that the same group considers the research flawed.

    If only there was a rule preventing Christians from lying – maybe a commandment or something. That would be nice.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      If only there was a way to keep homosexuals from lying. They would be run out of town on a rail, assuming they would even be able to make it out of town alive.

      • garybryson

        you and your ilk spend more time breaking your commandments on here than anyone else. Clean your own backyard sugar.

    • Jacobus Arminius

      So, the school validated that which it also says is flawed. If that’s true, then the real problem is with the school, not Regnerus.

      • garybryson

        The school never validated anything. Actually they have distanced themselves from regenrate. Keep up the lies..makes the rest of us look good..lOL!

      • garybryson

        Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view. However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin. Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families. We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims.

      • vorpal

        I used to feel that these lies and misconceptions were told by the hate groups out of genuine malice, but now I’m honestly starting to believe that they are spread out of genuine belief that they are true and a genuine inability to do basic fact checking, as evidenced by so many posters here who continue to prattle off the same nonsense again and again and again despite being pointed to the facts again and again and again. Regardless, acting like an authority without fact checking is profoundly irresponsible, and has direct and dire consequences, thus making them deserving of the hate group label regardless of their intentions.

      • fredk

        Nope. It’s entirely possible they are *BOTH* flawed. The school may have problems, but that doesn’t mean the study is valid – Regnerus did the research and he’s responsible for the contents and the flaws. During the first review in 2012, the school invited the larger community to discuss and evaluate the study. They’ve done that in spades.

  • Walt NYC

    Linda Harvey is a proven liar. Take, for instance, her statement that Mark Regnerus’ study was “academically validated” by the University of Texas. In reality, Regnerus’ own Sociology Department at University of Texas has issued the following statement:

    “Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view. However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin. Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families. We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims.”

    That is just the tip of the iceberg. In terms of accuracy, this particular article by Harvey would be better suited for The Onion, except there is really nothing at all even remotely humorous or entertaining about it.

    • LeftistsStink

      “university officials said an advisory panel’s report concluded there was
      insufficient evidence to pursue Rosensweig’s (LGBT activist) allegations, noting that it sought the counsel of Dr. Alan Price, former associate director of the Office of Research Integrity in the U.S. Department of Health and
      Human Services, who independently agreed the investigation was conducted properly.”

      • Walt NYC

        Your quote is from 2012, when Regnerus initially published his results. The statement I posted is from March of 2014, when Regnerus took the stand in a Michigan courtroom to testify against same-sex marriage and adoption. Interestingly, subsequent to Regnerus’ testimony and cross-examination, the presiding judge (Bernhard Friedman) had this to say:

        “The Court finds Regnerus’s testimony entirely unbelievable and not worthy of serious consideration. The evidence adduced at trial demonstrated that his 2012 ‘study’ was hastily concocted at the behest of a third-party funder…The funder clearly wanted a certain result, and Regnerus obliged…It is no wonder that the NFSS has been widely and severely criticized by other scholars, and that Regnerus’s own sociology department at the University of Texas has distanced itself from the NFSS in particular and Dr. Regnerus’s views in general…”

        • garybryson

          These people hate the truth, Walt.

          • vorpal

            They LOVE the “truth” though, i.e. what they WANT the truth to be. It isn’t very truthful, but it’s packed to the brink with truthiness.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Who cares what a judge thinks? He is not a representative of UT or any scientific body. He is a man offering an opinion that in and of itself is disingenuous.

          • garybryson

            Very provable. UT has distanced itself from regenerate due to the utter failure of his “research” Even the ASA has debunked his study. Funny how this is all you ahve to fight back against marriage equality? No wonder you lose in every court decision….LOL. Morons

          • Rob T

            Disingenuous? You keep accusing people of lying and then you don’t actually back that up with any facts. It’s a pattern, and it’s an immoral one. You’re breaking on the Commandments you believe in.

          • MDB

            Here’s the statement again, in case you cannot read or follow the threaded discussion.

            ~ ” Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view. However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin. Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families. We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims.”
            UT Austin 04 March, 2014

          • Rob T

            I think you mean that for poor Matthew.

          • MDB

            Ruh-roh….sorry.

          • Walt NYC

            You can also see my statement above which was issued by UT.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            The statements given were in reference to Regenrus’s testimony for a court case in Michigan, not the study.

            The quote given by LeftistsStink is factually correct.

          • garybryson

            Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view. However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin. Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families. We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims. Hmmmm

          • 19gundog43

            He’s also not the Final Judge. Only His ruling matters and He has already ruled!

          • vorpal

            What a shame that your “Final Judge” is nothing more than a figment of your imagination: if he actually existed, I’m pretty sure that the “good Christians” on this site would be burning up in the fiery pits of hell with all us lovely homosexuals.

          • JBenning

            Hey, glad to here you know what Hell is. Then you also know that is a God because God made Hell for Satan and his followers. Ran your mouth a bit much huh?

          • L1011

            Oh I know too that hell exists, I’ve been there once – it was the middle seat, in the middle row (5 seats abreast), at the back of the plane, on completely full United Airlines flight from Chicago to China, seated between two people that wouldn’t share the armrest, and by the time the flight attendants reached our row with the meal-cart, they were out of the choice, and I had to eat some kind of processed chicken roll in “gravy.” It was terrible. I took it as a warning from god to book farther in advance so I can always get a window seat with easy isle access.

          • vorpal

            LOL as someone who just spent a significant chunk of last week flying from Hawaii to Chile (moving), which involved four flights and a combined time of 30 hours of planes and airports, you have my deepest condolences.

          • vorpal

            Try again in proper English this time, please. I can guess what you meant, but I’m not even 100% certain.

            Yes, I’ve had the concept of hell thoroughly hammered into my head by loving hypoChristians who are apparently so full of love for me that they feel the need to remind me again and again and again and again and again and again about what will happen to my soul after I die, because apparently the 20,008th time I’ve been told is expected to be the MAGICAL time that I’ll believe them, unlike the previous 20,007 times.

            No, I’m not interested in your religion. It’s silly and almost anyone who can muster up the testicular fortitude to step outside of it and think about it without the blinders of Christian indoctrination on can see just how utterly ridiculous and nonsensical it is. I have as much or more confidence in the fact that when I die, I will be dead, i.e. over, finito, kaput, no longer existing as you have in the fact that you will find yourself before your god who couldn’t be bothered to put in an actual appearance any time in the last 2000 years.

          • JBenning

            Gee, and I wasn’t even talking to the likes of you. But then I must have hit a nerve huh? What I really can’t understand about people like you, you think that when you are dead there’s nothing else. My real question to you is this…if there is nothing more when I die then what is the use in living? Oh, and by the way, you will meet God one day soon. Maybe tmr, maybe next week or maybe in 20 years or so but you will meet Him. You tell Him all this trash. Then get back with me ok? I want to hear all about it.

          • vorpal

            You replied to my comment, but you weren’t talking to the “likes of me”? Dude, you are confusing the hell out of me. Figure out what you mean and what “likes of you” it applies to please.

            Why is it hard to understand the fact that I think when we die, we’re dead and that’s it? If there is nothing after death, then the use of living becomes infinitely more important than if there is an eternal afterlife, because RIGHT NOW is all that we get.

            Stop telling me I’m going to meet god. It didn’t make me nervous the first 20,008 times I heard it, and it’s not going to make me nervous or even the least bit caring this 20,009th time. I was a Christian for 22 years. I woke up and got better. No intention of returning to the Christian lifestyle unless actual evidence supporting Christianity that is testable and verifiable comes to light, in which case, I’ll happily rejoin the flock.

            Oh, and by the way, you will meet Cinderella one day soon. Live in fear, JBenning!

          • MDB

            So you then ignore the UT-Austin statement as what…. readings from a stale fortune cookie ?

      • MDB

        The University of Texas-Austin has NEVER endorsed Regnerus. In fact after the fiasco in the trials in Michigan, UT-Austin issue the following statement on Marc 4, 2014:

        ” Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view. However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin. Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families. We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims “

    • Guest

      What’s the matter Nawk, upset that people are aware of your pederastic propensity? Finding it hard to chicken-hawk when parents are onto your game? How terribly inconvenient for you.

  • Zohydro

    I think the most disturbing piece of GLSEN’s propaganda is the “GLSEN Jump-Start Guide”—particularly “Part 6 – Creating Youth Adult Partnerships” which appears to me to be a direct assault on parental authority and age-of-consent laws… Google it and check it out for yourself!

    (I’d post a link directly to this, but I don’t want to create any hardship for the moderators!)

    • Rob T

      I just read it. I didn’t see anything at all about age-of-consent laws. Since you couldn’t possibly just be making this up, could you please quote the part that made you think this is a direct assault on age-of-consent laws?

    • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

      You ourght to post the links anyway. We’ll get to them as quickly as we can, and in the meantime, you can post your statement in one comment, say “link is coming,” and post the link in a second comment explaining “Here is the link I mentioned …).

  • Dannyboy

    The homosexual book King and King is assigned to second graders. It shows two men kissing.
    The goal of the homosexuals who push this book is to confuse normal children and make them believe that homosexuality is normal, good, something to be desired, and associated with power and wealth (that is, royalty).
    The book is a form of child molestation. The way that homosexuals push the book is to call it a depiction of “family life” so that if a parent objects, the homosexuals call the parent “anti-family.” The parent is bad, the homosexual is the good fairy.
    Homosexuals wants to brainwash a person at the youngest possible age, when he or she is most vulnerable.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      The book was specifically written with that target audience in mind. The thing is, children shouldn’t know anything about sex at that age (and the homosexual lifestyle exists solely and specifically around sex), so why do it?

      Look up the word “grooming” for the answer.

      • Theodore Fenton

        No more so than the heterosexual lifestyle.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Horsefeathers, Teddy boy. Go hand your BS to someone else.

      • Dannyboy

        True. Homosexuals believe that homosexuality is equal to, or even superior to, heterosexuality, and that procreation is a mere detail that has nothing to do with sex. This is their delusion.
        Though they will not admit it now, homosexuals believe that anywhere heterosexuality exists in society, education, TV – anywhere – homosexuality should exist in equal or greater measure.
        That means that plays in school about Romeo and Juliet must be offset by a play about Bruce and Adam. All sex instruction in school should contain an equal measure of homosexual genital to genital instruction. Homosexuals think this is the only fair way. Listen closely to what they say. They will not admit it publicly yet, but we are far down that road. Equality in every way in every segment of society is what they seek. No more preference given to homosexuality or procreation. In fact, many of them think that homosexuality is actually superior because it is a relationship between 2 equals – a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.

        • Rob T

          Did you make most of that up, or did you get it from someone else who made it up? Citations, please.

          • Dannyboy

            The book King and King is a fact and is in second grade. That’s all we need to know.

          • Rob T

            Dannyboy, you didn’t even mention King and King in the post I was referring to. So I’m still wondering. Did you make most of that up, or did you get it from someone else who made it up? Citations, please.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          You have got that right. I have seen many a person run around madly in here in the face of direct evidence regarding the recruitment of children into the homosexual lifestyle and the sexual abuse of same, saying, “It’s not true! It’s not true!”

          If there is one thing you can always be sure of, it will be a homosexual or an apologist or even both denying anything that is negative about homosexuality. Which tells you to believe the exact opposite.

          • garybryson

            Hey troll boy do you have ANY proof of homosexuals recruiting anyone? Nopers. I love how you continuously run around with your hands in the air screaming the sky is falling yet it hasn’t. Shame none of your predicitions come true.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Go to hell, psycho.

          • garybryson

            LOL!

          • Rob T

            Looks like you’re projecting: Anything YOU say appears to be a cue to believe the exact opposite.

          • Dannyboy

            Yes. If you had asked a homosexual whether there should be a homosexual book in the 2nd grade, he would have said “No, that is inappropriate.”
            But then you show him book the King and King, and he says “Oh, yes, how appropriate and wonderful.” That’s how these people are. No consistency at all. Indeed, they’re rather crazy.

          • MDB

            So shut up an start proving your incendiary and outrageous claims regarding the recruitment of CHILDREN. I want specifics. If you’re going to be this insufferable, then put some ‘verbs in your sentences’ and add some documentable facts !

        • lacideshae

          You really think homosexuals are the only ones who want equality. Last time I checkef theyre human beings and do desserve equality. What about women, or “the blacks” … what about when they had no rights. Should we go back to judging them because they were born as a woman, or born of African descent? Nope.. because we have decided people are equals, and thats how it should be.

      • Steven Schwartz

        (and the homosexual lifestyle exists solely and specifically around sex)

        Only insofar as the heterosexual lifestyle does. So sorry.

        GLBT books in schools serve the same purpose as books with protagonists of different genders and races and occupations — to help kids understand the world around them. And, like it or not, you live in a world where same-sex relationships exist, out in the open — and, indeed, there are kids in school whose parents are in them.

        You can proclaim your religious bigotry at home, but the schools have no need to support it.

      • lacideshae

        How does the homosexual lifestyle exist soley on sex? Theyre people in relationships just like a heterosexual couple.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          That sound you just heard was me falling out of my chair laughing.

          This is a troll post, right? Nobody could really be that stupid.

          • garybryson

            you could and are that stupid with your ridiculous posts about telling on the posters, spewing pure lies about homosexuals, and just being an outright arse

    • Sam Spade

      In the UK, outraged Muslim parents in the city of Bristol demanded (and got) children’s books removed from two public schools that taught about same sex parenting. I believe that one of them was ‘King & King.”

      Funny, I didn’t see any “offended” gays holding demonstrations and kiss-ins outside the city mosque.

  • JC

    The only question this article deserves is: When did Linda go off her medications? She needs to renew her Risperdal and Serequel. Get well, Linda!!

    • mlaperle

      Typical ad hominem non-response.

      • 19gundog43

        What can you expect for people who have their heads up someone’s arse?

        • vorpal

          We seriously need to start a drinking game based on Gundog’s posts about gay sex. We’d be drunk after a couple of pages, no doubt.

          Gundog, are you trying to turn us straight through overexposure therapy, or are you just flirting with us?

          • Rob T

            I make a good living, but I can’t afford that much alcohol.

      • vorpal

        Linda hasn’t given us anything to respond to. It would be like me extolling the virtues of how green the sky is for pages and pages: the proper response to such nutjobbery is simply, “You’re a raving loon.”

    • Cheyenne W.

      I’m afraid that we’re way beyond medication here. Maybe some electro-shock therapy along with intensive counseling would be in order. Ms. Harvey and Laurie Higgins could share a room at the asylum to help save some money, especially since they both need intensive therapy.

  • CajunPatriot

    In my region, a man worked in the local community. Some knew he acted strangely and was very secretive. Some reported his actions to local police, but they were greatly understaffed so they did not follow up.

    One day a family went to the Burger King restaurant. His parents sat about 15 feet away at a table. He went to the restroom. This young boy will never be the same. This man, a 51 year old homosexual pedophile viciously raped the young boy. The young boy has already suffered through 16 surgeries and is scheduled for up to 6 more surgeries at The Children’s Hospital. The young boy is receiving counseling and therapy for mental and emotional scars that will last a lifetime, as well as the physical scars.

    Some will ask what happened to the homosexual pedophile…. His computer and home was filled with child pornography of the most graphic and sadistic perversions.He was fascinated with John Wayne Gacy. Investigations are proceeding to determine if other young boys were assaulted over the years. A psychiatrist appointed by the judge determined the predator to need psychiatric attention so he is housed in a state operated mental institution to the tune of $79K+ each year. The young boy, his family, his friends, his school, and the entire community remains in shock.

    • Theodore Fenton

      In my town a white heterosexual mother shot her own baby for the insurance money and blamed it on two African-American juveniles who were walking by.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        A lie AND a non-sequitur! AWESOME!

        • Mike

          MTM, you pathetic trash. of course it happened, you disgusting fool. Also, it isn’t a non-sequitur but I’m not going to explain why. it will do you good. Now run away and do your homework little boy.

    • vorpal

      Sounds like a right piece of disgusting trash. I’m sorry that he didn’t get what he deserved – life imprisonment without parole – and I extend my deepest sympathies to the victim and his family and hope that they are able to find peace.

  • Rob T

    This is the same Linda Harvey who was here a week or so ago lying about the severity of Uganda’s original anti-gay law. Now that we know she’s willing to lie to advance her “cause,” we should we ever believe anything she has to say?

    • vorpal

      She’s also the piece of trash that wrote the most disgusting book possible, “Maybe He’s Not Gay”, where she finds new and innovative ways to try to inflict her damage and shame on LGBT teens, make their lives a living hell, and ruin families.

      She’s a piece of work.

      • Sam Spade

        “Piece of trash?”
        Gee, how “tolerant” of you.

        • vorpal

          Wherever did you get the idea that I promoted tolerance, especially of hateful nonsense designed to hurt and demonize people? I don’t tolerate Linda Harvey’s evil endeavours to harm vulnerable gay youth, and similarly, I don’t tolerate racism or sexism.

          This idea that some of you on the right have that the left somehow promotes a universal idea of tolerance simply because we’re advocating for civl rights and equal protections for LGBT people under law (which requires neither your acceptance nor tolerance) is completely erroneous.

  • Cheyenne W.

    Another day, another story about the evil gays…. So nothing new… However, a random check of your sources, Ms. Harvey indicated nothing that was peer reviewed, and most were links to sites such as AFTAH, Mass Resistance, and Boobwire, among others. I guess when you head up a certified hate group the only sources left to cite are other hate groups. I’m beginning to think that Ms. Harvey writes this drivel so that one of her cohorts will have something to cite next week. It’s all one big circle, with not a stitch of intelligence.

    • Jacobus Arminius

      Because there is NOTHING new. You guys have an evil agenda. PERIOD.

      • Cheyenne W.

        Yes, I get out of bed plotting each day what I’m going to do to be evil and overthrow the heteronormative elements of society. NOT. today the evil agenda is going to involve servicing mowers and changing blades so that tomorrow I can work my butt off to pay for some of the 1,000 + tax breaks you get for being a blessed breeder.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Yes, I get out of bed plotting each day what I’m going to do to be evil and overthrow the heteronormative elements of society.

          Thanks for the admission.

          • garybryson

            You’re a moron sugar.

          • ErickMN

            What? No whining about what OTHER PEOPLE do in bed? You’re slipping!

          • MDB

            It was sarcasm, good fr’n. grief.

        • Dannyboy

          Yes, it’s all scare talk.
          Homosexuals would NEVER push a homosexual book onto 6 year olds. Homosexuals are so MORAL when it comes to children and sex. They LOVE kids. Why, they were kids themselves once! Good kids too.

          Oh wait, they HAVE pushed the homosexual book “King and King” into the second grade.

          • vorpal

            LOL have you even seen this book, or are you speaking out in ignorance like you do about everything else, bubba? I went and read this book after hearing your histrionic screaming about it for months on here, expecting to see full-on pornographic pictures of gay lovemaking, but lo and behold, it’s a story about a gay king self-actualizing, which ends in a kiss that’s covered up so that it can’t be seen anyways.

            If you take your kids out of the house, they run the risk of seeing two men ACTUALLY holding hands and possibly kissing in public.

            Oh, the shocking atrocity and indecency of it all!

          • Dannyboy

            Oh, yes, Vorpal, men kissing each other is so wonderful and so widely accepted. Parents just LOVE to be out in public with their children and see men kissing each other and occasionally groping each other’s crotches. Why, what could be more natural than two men sticking their tongues in each other’s mouths and elsewhere?
            In fact, why not show kids what happens AFTER that kiss when the two go to bed and snuggle up and start to do things? After all, they can see those things on websites so why not in a children’s book?
            Yeh, Vorpal, I am sure that homosexuals’ being so MORAL there will never be anything in elementary school that goes BEYOND homosexual kissing. Good to know you guarantee that. After all, we know that homosexuals’ demands stopped years ago and that they are now satisfied.

          • vorpal

            I have been out in public with gay men plenty, and I have never seen two men (except possibly at Gay Pride) groping each other’s crotches or sticking their tongues “elsewhere”.

            You are loony, Dannyboy. You seriously live in a world of your own delusions. Kids’ stories are full of men and women kissing, and it ends there. It doesn’t progress to full-on sex in the bedroom. Your insistence on engaging in these absurd straw men and slippery slope arguments is not becoming: it either indicates serious holes in your education, or serious shortcomings in your inability to recognize ridiculous thought processes.

            There are some gay people that are immoral, just as there are some heterosexuals that are immoral. That is why we have laws to protect children, and I support those just as much as you do, Dannyboy. I care about children and their well-being, too: I just don’t feel the need to demonize a whole group of people or run around screaming that the sky is falling in order to do so.

          • Dannyboy

            The demands by homosexuals are endless. Any idiot can see that. A few years ago homosexuals did not kiss much in public. Now they do it on TV too and much more.
            To stick it in parents’ and kids’ faces, homosexuals now have a Gay Day at Disneyworld.
            I guess you live in the Amazon rain forest and are not aware of these things.

          • vorpal

            Oh dear, imagine that: gay people want to get together and have fun at Disneyworld. If I remember correctly, there are also Christian celebrations (at least one) at Disneyworld. This isn’t new, by the way: it’s been around for years and years now.

            This idea that gay people have orchestrated some big coup where they’re forcing you to watch them kiss is absurd. The media reports gay people kissing because people like you make it a big deal and thus newsworthy. As for gay people kissing on TV shows, deal with it: gay people are a part of society, and TV shows are dramatic or comedic fictional representations of society, and including issues from current events sells shows. Again, given that your side is making such a hoopla about homosexuality, this sort of thing sells and attracts viewers.

            You do not have the right to watch TV and not see things that offend your dewicate widdwle itty bitty Chrwistian sensibilities, just like I don’t have the right to watch TV or go out in public and expect to not have to be subjected to your vile and wicked religion of hatred and lies.

            Oh, and I’ve been kissing dudes in public since around the year 2000, and I fully intend to keep holding hands with and kissing my husband in public. I’m not ashamed of who I am or of my 10 year marriage, and the fact that you think I should be has no bearing on me. Showing ourselves as a normal, healthy gay couple (which we are – everyone thinks we’re brothers until they’re told or shown differently) has positive effects on eliminating the culture of shame that has been built around homosexuality and might just, in some way, help an LGBT youth who feels alienated and utterly alone in the world. If I can provide that service to even one teen, I will know that I have made the world a better place.

          • Dannyboy

            The point is, a sexual group, homosexuals, feels that it must stick its finger in the eyes of parents and kids at Disneyland. There is no heterosexual day at Disneyworld.
            The place is not about sexuality. But for homosexuals, it must be made into sexual time.
            But yes, homosexuals are oppressed. They can’t find bakeries to bake and decorate their wedding cakes. Imagine, thousands of bakeries and not one will bake a cake for them. The horror of it all.

          • Steven Schwartz

            I don’t know how many days a year it’s open — but I’d say that that number -1 are the “heterosexual days” at Disneyland. I’ve heard about some of the PDAs that the staff there have to deal with.

          • L1011

            Gay days at Disneyworld is not a Disney sponsored event. It’s no different than when I attended a planned outing to an indoor waterpark a few years ago. About 50 of us showed up. We saw several families pack up and leave because of us, but oh well, it just made the lines that much shorter.

          • Dannyboy

            Yes, we are all convinced that Gay Day at Disney was created not to be in the face of traditional families but because homosexuals just love Mickey Mouse, Alice in Wonderland, and the great food.

          • vorpal

            Seriously, some of us do. Alice in Wonderland is one of my all-time favourite stories: you might have noticed that from my user name, which is from the poem “The Jabberwocky” in the sequel, Through the Looking Glass:

            He took his vorpal sword in hand:
            Long time the manxome foe he sought.
            So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
            And stood awhile in thought.

            Disneyworld is a huge amount of fun for people of any age. Gay people are not exempt from that. Believe it or not, we don’t sit around trying to figure out how to best invest our time to maximize our effrontery to heterosexuals and traditional families. I grew up in an awesome traditional family (mostly – my younger brother was adopted) with heterosexual parents and I have great respect for heterosexual couples who make traditional families work.

          • vorpal

            Aaaand once again, you ignore the majority of my post, make some ridiculous claims (i.e. that Gay Day at Disneyworld is about sex, which it isn’t), and then change the topic. You are consistently unable to have a discussion of any substance, because you’re simply here to rant and rave and confirm what you already think. Ranting and raving is fine – heck, I do it here, too – but if that’s ALL you’re here to do, and never engage in an actual discussion of back and forth exchanges where we stay on topic for more than two messages (your claim and my rebuttal), there’s really not much point.

            Edit: I’m clearly genuinely interested in what you might have to say, as evidenced by the fact that I looked up this King and King book you keep talking about and read it. It would be nice to have the favour returned, and to actually have you stay on point and explore your thoughts in depth instead of acting like a semi-automatic weapon of anti-gay rhetoric.

          • Steven Schwartz

            Now they do it on TV too and much more.

            OMG! Homosexuals want to be allowed to kiss on TV, like heterosexuals! How *dare* they.

          • Steven Schwartz

            Why, what could be more natural than two men sticking their tongues in each other’s mouths and elsewhere?

            Well, considering how many heterosexual PDAs people are subjected to, I would venture a guess… ;)

            But really, that is the point here — you object to anything portraying GLBT folk at all positively, and then complain that any such portrayal immediately leads to full-on porn in schools. Your crying wolf would be highly entertaining, were the actions of you and your kind not so damaging.

          • Dannyboy

            There are reasons that homosexuality was placed at a lower level of legitimacy than heterosexuality since the dawn of humankind.
            Homosexuals think it was all a big accident or prejudice. I don’t think it was or is that simple. That is what it boils down to.
            Heterosexuality is unique and shared by all peoples down through the ages. That homosexuality did not reach that level seems to be lost on some people because they do not wish to consider the sociological, biological, and emotional reasons for this. You figure it out.

          • Steven Schwartz

            Heterosexuality is unique

            *blink* *blink* What? How is “heterosexuality” unique, while “homosexuality” or “bisexuality” are not?

            shared by all peoples down through the ages.

            Point me, please, at a culture that demonstrably did *not* have same-sex sexual attraction. My guess is you can’t; partially, I’ll admit, because proving a negative is hard, but also because it’s always there too.

            consider the sociological, biological, and emotional reasons for this.

            This also addresses neither of my actual *points*, but appears to be a vague attempt at justifying special pleading for heterosexuality as a hand-wave.

          • Dannyboy

            If you can’t figure out why heterosexuality is unique, I can’t help you.

          • Steven Schwartz

            Unique compared to *what* is my point — and if you can’t explain it, then you don’t really understand it beyond its use as a slogan.

          • L1011

            I don’t think I have ever been out on the street and seen men grope each other; at a bar a few times yes, but that’s about it.

          • Rob T

            What is your problem with “KIng and King.” It doesn’t talk about sex at all.

          • L1011

            They haven’t either, and that’s why they probably think its a graphic, smutty, romance novel.

      • ErickMN

        Anything that makes you miserable is worth doing.

      • vorpal

        Yes, we know that you think we have an “evil agenda”. We think that YOU are the ones with the evil AND anti-intellectual agenda that defies rationality and logic. Clearly, we’re doing something right, given that support for us is rising and support for you and your “loving” extremist forms of Christianity is circling the drain.

    • vorpal

      Watching Linda’s descent into sheer, stark raving mad insanity is both simultaneously terrifying and entertaining. I’m not sure whether to pop some popcorn or get the poor woman a Thorazine.

      • L1011

        If you ask me, with her being so light headed, and by light headed I mean missing most of her brain, I would say she has a chronic case of the vapors.

        • vorpal

          LOLOL! I love that saying and haven’t heard it in ages. Thanks for reminding me a gem.

          • L1011

            ;-)

      • Cheyenne W.

        I’m not sure that Thorazine is strong enough in her case.

    • IvanRider

      Why does everyone get a say here, except the kids that actually were molested by pervertsexuals?

      It’s kind of like how everyone got a say in the Holocaust except the Jews. Or how everyone gets a say on abortion except the unborn.

      The actual victim never gets a say. Human Nature 101.

      • Steven Schwartz

        Why does everyone get a say here, except the kids that actually were molested by pervertsexuals?

        They can have a say; I feel sorry for them, and hope them the best in their recovery.

        However, when they are used as weapons against an entire class of people, neither they nor the truth are well served.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        They do get a say, as long as they don’t knock homosexuals. Otherwise they get put on the back of the bus.

  • Matthew T. Mason

    Of course, people already are trying to portray Linda as the anti-Christ, only because she refuses to bow to homosexuality and homosexuals and actually tell the truth.

    “You have enemies? Good. That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.”–Winston Churchill

    • Rob T

      No, she has a documented history of lying, right here on Barbwire, in fact.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        No she doesn’t Rob. You are not going to try and slander Linda. Your attempt to portray homosexuals as being on par with Jesus Christ is not going to work. There is absolutely nothing positive about the homosexual lifestyle or agenda. That is a statement of undeniable fact.

        Now, I am going to ignore you. Please go away.

        • Rob T

          No, Linda Harvey is a liar. She recently wrote this here at Barbwire:

          All Out is one of the groups behind the hysteria that falsely labeled a proposed law in Uganda, the “Kill the Gays” bill.

          The original Uganda legislation to counteract the influence of outside homosexual activist groups did include the death penalty, but it was for homosexual molestation of minors, or for knowingly infecting a person with HIV.

          In fact, the bill mandated the death penalty for anyone convicted multiple times of having sex, even if it was consensual with another adult and not involving HIV.

          AND it mandated the death penalty for some people who are convicted multiple times of not turning in their friends for having gay sex. You didn’t even need to have gay sex to be put to death under the law.

          Linda Harvey spreads falsehoods. There’s no doubt about it.

        • garybryson

          Did you get your little feelings hurt troll boy? She’s a super bigot and liar for christ. Nothing more.

      • Jeanette Victoria

        Ah the big Nazi lie, repeat the lie often and some will believe it well it doesn’t work here

        • Rob T

          Sorry, but I pointed out the lie below.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            No in fact it is YOU who has repeated a falsehood!

          • garybryson

            Talk about sheeple….

          • Rob T

            Jeanette, have you read the original version of the proposed law? Have you confirmed for yourself that Linda whether Linda is lying or telling the truth?

          • garybryson

            People like jv hate the truth and facts like most fundies here on boobwire. They hate the facts….

          • Jeanette Victoria

            LOL you don’t even know what a fundie is

          • vorpal

            Trust me, toots: as a gay person, I probably have more experience with Christian fundamentalists than most Christian fundamentalists do.

          • garybryson

            Look in the mirror sugar

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Fundamentals are protestants I’m not a protestant and never have been.

        • garybryson

          The uneducated allways bring up the nazi’s. Typical…

    • 19gundog43

      Truth to homosexuals is like sunlight to vampires. Truth-tellers are always “HATERS”!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. More pink shirt BS.

      • garybryson

        IS that the best troll you’ve got gun pup? If so you need some new material honey…LOL!

    • aCultureWarrior

      Excellent quote Matt! Or as a good friend of mine would say: “Linda Harvey has all the right enemies.”

    • Jeanette Victoria

      The God-Haters always do that, they redefine “Christian love” to mean must accept all sin no matter what.

      • Zohydro

        Matthew 18:6?

      • vorpal

        Nope. Not at all. However, when one is genuinely loving, it comes across in their interactions with others. You can call me a sinner and tell me you think I’m going to hell and do so with love. You can also do so with hate. It’s clear from the demeanours of the majority of the Christians here which camp they fall into. I would say, for example, that there ARE some Christians here who are clearly far, far more loving than others, while still sharing the same beliefs as the rest of the Christians here.

        There is nothing loving about calling someone a faggot, a rump ranger, etc.

        • lacideshae

          Exactly! These people think its a sin to be a homosexual but its not a sin to hate homosexuals or lie.

  • 19gundog43

    The Rainbow Reich hates it when their game plan is revealed. They have been following this blueprint since 1987. Wait for the rage and denials. LOL!
    The Gay Manifesto First Published in Gay Community News, February 15-21,
    1987

    We shall
    sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams
    and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in
    your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your
    seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army
    bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of
    Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions
    and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave
    and adore us.

    Women, you
    cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you
    unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall
    take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will
    embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other
    instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men
    pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one
    man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth
    and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

    All laws
    banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be
    passed which engenders love between men.

    All
    homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically,
    philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only
    when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual
    enemy.

    If you dare
    to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and
    defile your dead, puny bodies.

    We shall
    write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly
    caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will
    replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual
    infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues
    of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks,
    your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with
    paintings of graceful, naked lads.

    Our writers
    and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will
    succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual
    liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are
    skilled in employing.

    We will
    unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be
    shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your
    industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your
    film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are
    not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be.
    We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of
    homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk
    from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

    There will
    be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are
    the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never
    settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

    We shall
    raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the
    world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and
    honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek
    soldiers.

    The family
    unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence –
    will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs
    free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the
    genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the
    control and instruction of homosexual savants.

    Your
    churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We
    adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and
    banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual
    conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure
    imagination. For us too much is not enough.

    The
    exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets.
    One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of
    homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with
    heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All
    males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual
    courts of justice and will become invisible men.

    We shall
    rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and
    distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and
    thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and
    intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is
    a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

    We shall be
    victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed
    who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual
    shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the
    barricades of the ultimate revolution.

    Tremble,
    hetero swine, when we appear before you without our
    masks.

    • Rob T

      You left out the part where it says it’s a satire. How convenient of you.

    • Walt NYC

      Nice try. “The Homosexual Manifesto” was written by Michael Swift in 1987, at the request of The Gay Community News. Originally entitled “Gay Revolutionary,” it is intended as satirical “proof” of the so-called insidious and perverted “Gay Agenda” that conservative right-wing Christians were claiming. Religious conservatives still, to this day, quote the text but, as you have done, they omit the VITAL FIRST LINE, which sets the context for the piece:
      “This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.”

      No one has used it as a blueprint for anything.

      • 19gundog43

        It’s been the blueprint for the Rainbow Reich since 1987. Nice try Skippy. Thanks for fulfilling my statement that denials would fly by your side. DENY,DENY,DENY. And you call Christians liars. LOL!

        • Rob T

          Really? Any denial, any attempt to point out a falsehood, is just evidence that the falsehood is true? What a strange world you live in.

          • 19gundog43

            “What a strange world you live in”. Really! I don’t live it the world where I believe another’s man’s arse is my playground. Where, if I am born a male I mutilate myself to become a woman and wear dresses, and visa versa. I don’t live in a world where as a man I call another man my “wife” and have a faux “marriage” Right, my strange world. WOW, the responses are dropping to 8th grade level. LMAO

          • ErickMN

            But you do live in a world where you endlessly obsess about how OTHER PEOPLE live their lives and what OTHER PEOPLE do in bed. Get a life of your own and you wouldn’t have time for that foolishness. Sheesh.

          • vorpal

            Awww, Gundog, one day you’ll find a boyfriend. Don’t give up hope!

          • L1011

            But it’s got to feel good on some level knowing that you live in a country that has so much freedom that you could sleep with other men, or you could have sex reassignment surgery and wear dresses.

        • Walt NYC

          Not all Christians are liars. But, you are.

          • 19gundog43

            Right…just the ones who are not afraid of your threats and will stand up to the homo thugs. You clowns need to get a new script. Liar, hater, homophobe are really worn out and people aren’t afraid of being called names anymore. Soooooo, bite me Cupcake!

          • Walt NYC

            Seems like you do more than your share of name-calling, Junior. And, whether or not you care to admit it, you are lying about “The Homosexual Manifesto.”

          • vorpal

            Please draw an X on the area you’d like us to bite.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      I find it funny when liars and morons such as Rob T who apparently hasn’t taken Reading Comprehension 101 keep turning up like cockroaches to vilify any and everyone that doesn’t back the homosexual agenda without question.

      They are much, much more on par with pedophiles than angels, primarily because of the connection that everyone knows exists and yet the homosexuals consistently lie about.

      • Rob T

        Matthew, can you please show me anything I’ve said that you think is a lie, and offer evidence showing that it is a lie? Because otherwise you’re just bearing false witness against me.

      • Rob T

        Most men who molest boys have no history of sexual contact with men. They have sex with women and boys. In other words, to be frank, they have more in common with you than with me.

        • Jeanette Victoria

          So boys are a different sex then men <boggles at the mental gymnastics homosexualists jumps though)

          • garybryson

            Your brilliance is underwhelming…

          • Rob T

            Boys are different from men. Girls are different from women. If you think being attracted to a child is in the same category as being attracted to an adult, then you shouldn’t be allowed around children.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Wow the denial is strong with Rob T. Boys are still male just as girls are still female I suggest you get yourself a biology book and READ it.

          • Rob T

            Wow, so you do think being attracted to a child is in the same category as being attracted to an adult. That’s certainly eye-opening….and very disturbing.

            Meanwhile, speaking of denial, let me ask again the question you’ve ignored: Have you read the original Uganda anti-gay bill so you can decide for yourself whether Linda Harvey is lying about it?

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Rob T your are projecting your perversion onto me I’d be careful ’cause it is looking like Matthew is right about you.

          • Rob T

            Jeanette, you better be careful yourself. Desperate responses like that make it clear you’ve run out of actual arguments.

          • vorpal

            She can barely spell “argument”, much less assemble one.

          • vorpal

            You know what’s fun? Answering yes or no questions. Try it sometime, unless you’re ashamed of the answer.

          • MDB

            Read my reply to your comment re: pedophilia above. I can’t wait to hear your uneducated snarky reply.

          • ErickMN

            With every post, you seem more and more unbalanced. Quit while you’re ahead, hater.

          • vorpal

            Honey, you keep proving that you have the IQ of a common house fly. Quit while you’re ahead and let the big boys and girls play. I’m sure there are OTHER things that you’re good at.

          • ErickMN

            Why don’t you trade your bizarre obsession with homosexuality for something useful, like macrame or decopauge? Sheesh.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Jeanette, Rob is playing games with you, pulling out the “there are no homosexual pedophiles” myth as an argument as limp as his wrist.

            When someone seems as determined as he to deflect from known, proven facts, you have to wonder just what LEOs might find on his computer hard drive.

          • garybryson

            And what might be on his hard drive troll boy? More baseless accusations from the village idiot?

          • Rob T

            See, there you go. A personal attack without even an attempt to address what I’ve actually said. Makes it clear you don’t have anything to say.

          • ErickMN

            “known, proven facts”….Hilarious! Any researcher in the field of human sexuality would laugh you right out of their office. But then they’d invite you back to explore your bizarre obsession with homosexulity and the sex lives of OTHER PEOPLE.

          • vorpal

            Your ability to willfully ignore facts to support your ignorance and confirmation bias, despite facts repeatedly being supplied to you, is truly shocking. I’m not sure if that’s an accomplishment of stunning intellectual gymnastics or complete and utter mental retardation. I’m willing to bet money on the latter, though.

          • garybryson

            Thanks Mr Wizard

          • vorpal

            We have sex with grown men.

            Heterosexual men have sex with grown women.

            These “homosexual pedophiles” tend to have sex with grown women and young boys (and often young girls, too).

            So whereas we don’t have sex with any of the same groups that they do, heterosexual men DO (i.e. grown women), and thus, they have more in common with these “homosexual pedophiles” than homosexual men do.

            How is that hard for you to grasp?

          • MDB

            Pedophiles (almost exclusively ADULTS) rape, molest, abuse, control and manipulate babies, children, kids and teens. Sex is used as the ultimate weapon of power, control and manipulation; just like rape is used as a the ultimate weapon against women. The GENDER of the pedophile perpetrator, whether man or woman, and the gender of the child or teen, is really irrelevant. The “sex” you continually focus on is the ultimate of all the weapons of power (but NOT the only weapon in the arsenal of a pedophile) manipulation and control, that are constantly in play. I know because I am a survivor. Get educated about the subject. Good God, do I have to draw you pictures too?

      • garybryson

        Harvey is one od the biggest liars for your christ on boobwire..LOL! Her opening salvo about regenrate is a lie. No need to read any farther as she can’t seem to follow her own commandments…LOL!

        • Jeanette Victoria

          TRUTH is the new hate fact!

          • Zohydro

            The author must have struck a nerve here… I see the comments on this post exploding with homosexualist trolls!

          • Rob T

            Yes, when people are falsely accused of being a danger to children, it does touch a nerve. Vile deception is quite inflammatory. Does this surprise you?

          • Zohydro

            I rest my case…

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Nothing false about it the facts were well presented.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Yup vacuous name calling, strawmen arguments, you know the usual homosexulaists smears

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Homosexuals cannot seem to be honest about a single, solitary thing. Whatever they say, believe the opposite.

          • Rob T

            Funny you say that. You’ve called me a liar without establishing that I’ve lied about anything. You seem to be the one who has a problem with truth.

          • vorpal

            We ARE talking about a group of people who have decided that 2000 year old mythology is truth, right?

          • ErickMN

            But you’re honest about your fixation with the sex lives of OTHER PEOPLE.

          • 19gundog43

            They have their own little homo response team waiting to spring into action from their parent’s basements. Sad little creatures. They have their pre-written script in front of them. LIAR, LIAR, PANT’S ON FIRE. CHRISTIAN MEANIE, HATER,HATER. Typical responses everyday. Really gets boring after a while.

          • vorpal

            Come on. Admit it, gunpuppy, you can’t get enough of us and our big gay sodomy lovin’ ways. Anal lovemaking for all!

          • Rob T

            You are the reason your side is losing.

          • 19gundog43

            You may win a few skirmishes but my side will win the Final Battle. The one in the book you side likes to call ‘a book of fairytales”. So keep thinking that if it lets you sleep at night Spanky.

          • Rob T

            Can you provide any evidence that you are correct?

          • Mike

            Do you mean Harry Potter? Yeah, harry wins. Sorry to spoil it for you.

            Of wait, do you mean the Bible? And you actually think it’s real?

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a moron!

          • Mike

            What a fool. This is so simple yet you fail to understand. Here are the facts. If you reject them, it just means you are an idiot, not that they aren’t true.

            1. Your religion is false. There has never been one iota of evidence for it. Believing in a thing for which their is no evidence is illogical and wrong. if you believe in the bible but not Santa, you are a hypocrite.

            2. The only reason you trash hate homosexuals is because of the hateful teachings of christianity, which as shown above are irrelevant. Your hatred of homosexuals is unreasonable and directed at a class of people so it is unabashed bigotry.

            3. Because of your bigotry, christians spread blatant lies. You say homosexuality is immoral when it isn’t. You say homosexuals are a danger to children when they aren’t. The list goes on.

            4. Because of your bigotry, you want to deny equal protection under the law to some American citizens because you dont like them. That is immoral and illegal. It indicates a basic contempt for America values and reveals you to be hateful anti-American trash.

            There are your real responses. Now, lets hear what lies you tell to try and handwave them away, you contemptible scum. You aren’t good enough to lick the dirt from the bottom of my shoes.

          • 19gundog43

            Homosexually and the entire LGBT menu was
            categorized as mental disorders but was taken out of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders because the American Psychiatric Assc. was bullied and terrorized by homosexual thugs to delete all forms homosexual and “transgender” mental disorders without one bit of scientific evidence in the early 1970s. This and all homosexual perversion is STILL an abomination before
            God no matter how you unhinged reprobates scream and froth at the mouth and soil your pants. So thanks for proving my point beyond a shadow of a doubt Cupcake.

          • Mike

            You are a deranged fool. Nothing you say is true. Stop listening to religious sources. they, like you, are all liars… like you.

          • vorpal

            Pop! Boom!

          • Mike

            Poor little christian scum. the big mean smart people aren’t letting you poor little idiots get away with you lies. Isn’t that a shame. i guess you think we should just let you say whatever disgusting, illogical thing you want and let it go because you are simple little fools.

            Sorry, no, but you filth are trying to intrude yourselves into the rwal world with your haterd and delusions and you don’t get to do that.

          • garybryson

            are you off your meds?

          • ErickMN

            You fable book instructs women to be silent. So go sit down, shut up and stop bothering people.

          • Cheyenne W.

            You really are the “village idiot.”

      • ErickMN

        Well, look who’s back, whining and moaning about gay people for the zillionth time. Do we get to see more of your silly posts about what OTHER PEOPLE do in bed? Enjoy your self-imposed misery. We sure do!

        • Matthew T. Mason

          I notice you have nothing to say about the subject. No surprise there.

          • ErickMN

            Your fixation on the sex lives of OTHER PEOPLE is a much more interesting subject than Harvey’s tired drivel. So what’s with that? Do you picture the acts in your head, too? Please, tell us!

          • Mike

            An excellent point. You are truly obsessed with sex with children. I hope there are none in your care… you are a danger to them. Please let me know your location so I can inform local authorities about the threat to the children in the area.

    • ReidDA

      you missed a part: “This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption
      of inner rage on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the
      oppressor.”

      • vorpal

        But that part has such big words!

    • MDB

      DO you not understand the concept of critical SARCASM ?

    • Bob Greenpoint

      Real men think about v*g*nas, not gay men.

      • 19gundog43

        That makes me a male lesbian, because I love women. Now where can I get me special “rights”

  • Eric

    “1. Adults proudly living a CHRISTIAN life are disastrous role models. That CHRISTIAN teacher may be a personable expert in her subject, but her immoral lifestyle may mislead children. As she proclaims that CHRISTIANS are always victims, displays the picture of JESUS or “HER SAVIOR,” and befriends confused CHRISTIAN youth, many kids will come to exactly the wrong conclusion: “Ms. Warren seems nice, so the CHRISTIAN life must be okay.”

  • Jeff Noncent

    its affected everybody its not just the children, everybody is going to be affected by it

    • Theodore Fenton

      Oh my, what ever will you do?

      • Jeff Noncent

        I don’t know my friend

        • ErickMN

          You could start with a giant hissy fit, followed by a good cry. Does that help?

          • Jeff Noncent

            maybe

  • aCultureWarrior

    Excellent article Linda! Using the words of Matt Barber from his article “Sexual Anarchy”:
    “Make no mistake: Children are the target of what I call the “sexual anarchy movement.” Whether it’s the movement’s pedophile wing that seeks to literally rape children, or its radical pro-abortion, homosexualist and feminist wings, which seek to rape the minds of children, the larger sexual anarchy movement has a shared goal: Attack, corrupt and destroy God’s design for human sexuality. Children are just collateral damage.”
    Psalm 144:1

    • 19gundog43

      If you can’t reproduce, you recruit. Wait for it. LIES, LIES, LIES. HATER, HATER. There I did the work for you rump rangers. No need to reply.

      • Rob T

        Okay, so help me out here. How do you think a person should handle it when someone lies about you? If you’re not allowed to call call out the lie, then what do you do in such a situation.

    • ErickMN

      And yet YOU are the only one posting about sex with children. Just YOU, freak.

    • Mike

      You are a either a fool or a liar. Matt Barber is an insane bigot. Nothing you say is of any value.

  • iconoclast12

    Would like a follow up article on the dangers of leaving little boys with Catholic Priests.

    • Zohydro

      You mean homosexual Catholic priests, right?

      • Rob T

        Not according to an investigation by the Catholic Church itself.

        • Jeanette Victoria

          What have you been smoking? These priest preps were homosexuals who molested teen boys

          • iconoclast12

            What is the source, Jeanette?

          • Jeanette Victoria

            zenit

          • iconoclast12

            It must be hidden, how about one specific page.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            It’s waiting to be approved

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church by Michael S. Rose

            He describes a homosexual “subculture” which came to dominate some seminaries in the 70’s and 80’s Which was confirmed to me personaly by my Roman Catholic Priests friends

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Priesthood in Crisis by Father Matthew Despard

            accuses church leaders of covering up powerful homosexual cliques in the priesthood was pulled because of pressure from the Roman Church

          • 19gundog43

            Stop with the facts! You’re burning their eyeballs.

          • 19gundog43

            I know what they are smoking but it’s to gross to mention.

          • ErickMN

            And ANOTHER post about gay sex. Is that ALL you think about? Sheesh.

          • Rob T

            Again, not according to the Church’s own investigation.

      • Jeanette Victoria

        That is the problem with the Roman Catholic Church to day the gay mafia

    • 19gundog43

      Are referring to homosexual Priests. I agree.

      • Mike

        No, they are self heterosexual pedophiles. Until you ignorant trash learn that homosexual and pedophillic are two different things, you will never have anything to say worth listening too.

        • 19gundog43

          Looks like the second shift of the sodomite response squad had shown up. Riiiighhhht heterosexual are always attracted to boys. Liar!

          • Mike

            You are simply an idiot in denial of facts that you don’t like. grow up. Until you admit that you are an idiot and need to beg on your filthy knees for education you will never be a worthwhile human being.

          • 19gundog43

            Six days for the little perv to come up with this
            incoherent irrational rant. Must have been a busy time in the park restrooms and bathhouses, huh, Cupcake. LMFAO.

          • Mike

            Six days of better things to do then engage with you, you disgusting, moronic little bigot.

            I know it arouses you to imagine I am gay, you sad closet case, but I am not. I am merely a moral upstanding American speaking out for equal protection under the law for my countryman. You, being without morals or any sense would clearly have trouble identifying that when you see it.

  • ErickMN

    Linda Harvey is a vile, hateful, lying piece of sh*t. May she be miserable about gay people every single day of her hateful life. And then spend eternity in h*ll.

    • 19gundog43

      And another 9 year-old jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth. You must be cute on the playground, Spanky.

      • ErickMN

        As usual, you’re posting about children. Yuck. Get therapy, and get it now.

        • vorpal

          Yes, it seems that Gundog’s life is spent obsessing about guns, gay sex, and children: are you as disturbed as I am?

          • garybryson

            You can add spouse and matthew t moron to that same list. Always obsessing over child sex. Wierdos..

      • Matthew T. Mason

        Homosexuals despise Linda Harvey because she says something they refuse to: The truth.

        It doesn’t even matter what Linda says. She could write an article about how the sun is round and yellow, and these unhinged faggots will come out of the woodwork to dispute even that.

        • ErickMN

          And you despise homosexuals because they elicit a powerful emotional reaction in you. Wonder why? Hmmm…..

        • Rob T

          Matthew, I’ve pointed out where Linda Harvey has lied before. So let me ask you the question Jeanette doesn’t seem to want to answer: Have you read Uganda’s original anti-gay bill so you can see for yourself whether Linda Harvey is lying?

        • 19gundog43

          Indeed!

          Solomon knew these reprobates back then.

          The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of
          Israel:

          22 “How long, you simple ones, will you love
          simplicity?
          For scorners delight in their scorning,
          And fools hate knowledge.
          Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my spirit on you;
          i will make my words known to you.
          24 Because I have called and you
          refused
          ,23 I have stretched out my hand and no one
          regarded,
          25 Because you disdained all my
          counsel, And would have none of my
          rebuke, 26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
          I will mock when your terror comes,
          27 When your terror comes like a storm,
          And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
          When distress and anguish come upon you.

          28 “Then they will call on me, but I will not
          answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find
          me.
          29 Because they hated knowledge

        • vorpal

          Surprise, surprise: he breaks out the f word. Remind us again of just how Christ-like you are, MTM.

          • garybryson

            He’ll just come up with some crazy reason that the bibull supports name calling!

          • vorpal

            He’s clearly doing it out of Christian “love” to show us the error in our sick and twisted anal lovemaking ways! What these people fail to realize is that we’ve lived a lifetime full of shame and overcome it, and if they think that words like “faggot” are going to hurt our widdwe gay feewings, hilarity will ensue.

          • IvanRider

            He could be throwing tables at you…

          • Rob T

            The only time we know of Jesus throwing tables at someone was when people were abusing religion to make money. Sort of like Matt Barber.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          This site has rules. You have been flagged.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Awwww. Poor wittle baby upset because I said a word you don’t like?

            Build a bridge and get over it. Or better yet, stop being one.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            No, I’ve heard the word before, brother. But you disgrace your Christian witness by using that word against the very people Christ called you to reach.

        • Mike

          You are a contemptible liar, Matthew. You have been told the facts so you can’t just claim ignorance any more. You are a filthy liar, a bigot who so hates his betters that he will say any foul thing to justify his hate.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Thank you for that lovely tune, that funky music will drive us to the dawn. Let’s go, let’s boogaloo ’til we puke.

          • Mike

            You are beneath contempt you filthy bigot.

    • Cheyenne W.

      Being a bit harsh are we? Clearly she’s insane or at least delusional. Actually I feel sorry for her, since reiterating tired points is all that she has left. Wishing that someone would spend eternity in hell is a bit much just for holding an opinion that is contrary to yours.

      • ErickMN

        I see your point. But Harvey is not just another hater with an opinion. She has devoted her life to persecuting gay people. An eternity in hell is too good for her.

    • Jeanette Victoria

      Yawn the usual sand box name calling devoid of substance did you spray spittle on your computer screen when you typed that?

      • ErickMN

        Again, the bible tells women to be silent. So go sit down, shut up and stop bothering men.

        • IvanRider

          It tells women not to assume authority over men on positions of doctrine, as in: don’t be a pastor and don’t cast votes in church elections directly. It does NOT mean they have no voice, say, or representation. And this is an open forum, not the Church. So you are 100% out of line, ErickMN.

          • MDB

            So what of all the thousands and thousands of ordained Christian women serving all over the world, in many different Christian faith traditions? Surely, your are such the extremist to say that their ordinations and ministries are then somehow invalid or moot ?

          • Rob T

            That’s ridiculous, MDB. Any sensible person would know that the real extremists are the ones treating women as if they were people.

          • MDB

            God save us when we actually treat everyone with dignity and respect. ;0

      • iconoclast12

        Timonty 1 2:12, I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Please Jeanette, go back to scrubbing floors.

        • ErickMN

          LOL! I laughed out loud. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

        • Jeanette Victoria

          LOL your biblical exegesis is wanting

          • vorpal

            Imagine that – contradictions in the bible.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            It’s not a contradiction context is your friend

          • Rob T

            I love how the Bible is perfectly clear when it says what you want it to, but requires contextual interpretation when it doesn’t.

          • IvanRider

            Projection. You clearly don’t know how to read with any level of maturity, because it’s only ever about what you want.

          • Rob T

            Thanks for the response, Ivan, but would you like to supplement that insult with anything factual or substantive?

          • Mike

            Oh, Ivan, you poor little fool.

          • Red Mann

            Somethings are supposed to be metaphor and some literal, too bad there’s no way to tell which is which.

          • Mike

            Yes, you silly fool, it is a contradiction.

          • iconoclast12

            I hope God forgives your effrontery.

          • Mike

            Oh, so the Bible contradicts itself? When will you silly children learn that that book is a collection of myths?

          • MDB

            Ooooohhhh. it can read. Well, NOW. I. am. impressed .
            /NOT/

      • 19gundog43

        Funny how the rump rangers like to quote a Book they do not believe in or follow . Hypocrites !

        • ErickMN

          Funny how every one of your posts contains graphic references to gay sex. Every single one. Why do you think about that all the time?

          • 19gundog43

            Here’s a clue. Maybe because I’m dealing with sodomites ?

          • ErickMN

            So that makes you think about gay sex 24 hours a day? Do you picture the acts in your head, too? Why?

          • IvanRider

            He doesn’t think about the Septic Bloods 24/7. Only when dealing with them on open forums.

          • vorpal

            I suspect that you think about gay sex more than I do by far.

          • Red Mann

            Nope, probably because you’re a hateful bigot.

        • vorpal

          Funny how Christians can’t seem to LIVE their lives by the book that they purport to follow, and yet love to screech like constipated banshees about how other people (who often don’t even care about your stupid 2000 year old mythology) aren’t living in accordance with hypoChristian (im)morality.

          You love to slap us upside the head with your book of anti-intellectual nonsense, so we figure you need gentle reminders yourself as to just how successful you’re being at your hypoChristian faith. If anything, we’ve realized how much hypoChristians love to judge, so we’re just trying to extend our hospitality to you and create an environment that makes you feel at home.

    • IvanRider

      I hear more hate in your words than hers.

      • 19gundog43

        Outstanding!!

      • Mike

        No, you don’t. You are just foolishly deaf to what real hatred and contempt are.

  • Zohydro

    Have any of the major gay rights organisations (GLAAD, HRC, GLSEN, e.g.) expressly supported, and unambiguously endorsed and affirmed age-of-consent laws yet?

    • http://expatriato.blogspot.com/ Muscato

      “When did you stop beating your wife?”

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      One of the clearest examples of “logical fallacy” I have ever seen! Kudos! Now, what is the point you are trying to make?

    • fredk

      Actually, the only group I know that seriously advocates for exemptions to consent laws are churches who want to allow people to get married before the age of consent. These are usually codified in law. Are you willing to endorse and affirm the removal of these laws?

    • Mike

      What on Earth makes you think that is significant in any way, you damned moron?

  • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

    You completely lie about the University’s view of the Regenerus study. Here’s what they said verbatim:
    —————————————————–
    Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view. However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin. Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families. We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims.

    ——————————————————

  • lindairish

    Schools are no longer safe for your children. They are being taught misinformation in History and many other subjects. Unfortunately it is now up to the parents to combat this instruction. If you are a Christian, you will have to combat the teaching of homosexuality as a normal lifestyle. You will have to combat the graphically sexual sex ed that many school boards think is acceptable. I took my children out of school and taught them at home, because I found it harder to undo what was taught in the school setting than to start fresh and teach them what I wanted them to know. That is YOUR right as a parent. They’re trying to tell us that we are teamed up with the government in the teaching of our children. NOT. We, as parents, have a God given responsibility to train up our children. And we can do it. Make your children aware of what might be taught to them concerning, homosexuality, history, constitution, and whatever you, as the parent, see as important for them to know. Then monitor what goes on at their school. If there are really inappropriate things being taught, then opt your children out of those things. THEY ARE YOUR CHILDREN.

    • Jeanette Victoria

      Responsible parents will not let their children go to public schools nor will they let them have access to pop media.

      • Rob T

        Seriously, Jeanette, are you ever going to tell me whether you’ve read Uganda’s original anti-gay bill? You did call me a liar, after all, and I’d like to know if that was anything but a baseless accusation.

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        Nice swipe at every parent who can’t afford it. Let them eat cake!

        • Vicky Fisher

          My daughter is not a fan of public schools or common core and she is very liberal.

          • vorpal

            Nothing wrong with that. I think OMHO’s objection, though, was to Jeanette’s claim that if a parent is responsible, he or she will not let their child go to a public school, which is logically equivalent to saying that if a parent lets their child go to public school, then that parent is irresponsible. This is not true and not fair for parents who cannot afford private school or the luxury of homeschooling.

      • Mike

        Responsible parents don’t want their children to grow up to be hateful bigots who so hate their betters that they are willing to cheat their children out of their future. That is you, you piece of filth.

        Teach them that the world is six thousand years old and that evolution didn’t happen and that gay people are evil. Go ahead, ruin their lives as your has been ruined. A parent should want their child to do better then they did, you want to drag your children into the same shitty abyss you live in.

    • L1011

      You will have to combat their rejection of Noah’s ark as literal and factual. If your children are over 16, good luck with that.

      • Guest

        Easily done, as evidence of the deluge is everywhere.
        You don’t see it because you don’t understand science,
        but that’s your own problem.

        • vorpal

          LOL. Thanks for the laugh. I’ve spent quite some time familiarizing myself with the “creative” interpretations necessary to support a “great deluge” perspective, and they don’t come about by taking an unbiased look at the evidence.

          • Guest

            Nobody really cares what you think.

        • L1011

          Well somebody had better let the Chinese and Egyptians know then, because they have been recording history longer than 6000 years and yet they have no record of this “deluge” other than parable’s that ironically match much of the story of Noah’s Ark.

          • Guest

            No they have not been recording history longer than 6000 years. Where do you get such stupid ideas? The geological evidence of the flood is all over the world. But like I said, you don’t understand science, so I’m not going to waste time on an ignorant pervert like you.

          • Mike

            Again, you are simply ignorant. It is shameful in a country with free public education that fools like you exist.

        • Mike

          Your sciebntific ignorance is stunning. Try learning how science works and maybe then you will be able to tell the difference between it and the inane bleating of fools.

    • Mike

      You can “combat” whatever you want but all it does is make you a hateful, bigoted, pathetic little mothing.

      You “taught” your children at home? I pity those poor kids, harangued by a demented fool and not allowed to really learn anything. You have stunted them and probably destroyed any chance they have at a decent life.

      • lindairish

        What you don’t know, is a lot. My children are all grown, with children of their own. They graduated from college and are good citizens. By the time they got to college, they weren’t subject to the anti-American, left leaning, pro-homosexual agenda that most professors push, because, as parents, we took the time to teach them. Our motto has always been, ” teach them correct principles, and let them govern themselves.” Unlike you, we aren’t into name calling and do allow everyone their own opinion.

        • Mike

          I am guessing that they have been brainwashed into being as hateful, ignorant and bigoted as you are. The ironic thing is that you think of that as success. You have destroyed their potential as human beings as surely as yours was.

          You are no fit parent and any children should have been removed from your abusive care.

  • ConservativeSurge

    Awesome article. It should have the sodomites calling for her head by the 200th comment.

    • Rob T

      Lately on this site it’s been the anti-gay folk calling for people to be killed.

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      Official Comment #200: Linda, I am calling for your HEAD……..to be examined by a professional.

    • L1011

      No, I just feel sorry for her. She’s like an old goat bleating for attention, but she doesn’t get any outside of places like Barbwire. I actually think she loves arguing with gay people; it occupies her time.

    • Mike

      You are incorrect. There are more then twenty comments and no one has “called for her head”. Now, will you admit that you are wrong or will you take the cowardly christian way out and lie and deny the truth? Come on, you hateful trash… let’s hear it.

    • Mike

      Many posts now, you disgusting liar. Not one person has “called for her head”. Will you admit you are wrong? Everyone here knows that you are, but being a conservative, the truth doesn’t matter so I won’t be surprised if you hide from your own dishonesty or tell some other lie to try and cover up.

  • L1011

    1. Adults proudly living a homosexual life are disastrous role models. – Yeah tell that to Michael Sam. He was raised in poverty, in a broken home, brothers in jail, and yet he over came it to graduate college, and was drafted by the St. Louis Rams.

    2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. – Some gay people are bad parents, just like some straight people are too. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with quality of parenting. Come to where I live, half the straight parents are collecting a government check and addicted to pain pills, with their children left largely unchecked.

    3. Transvestite men or “drag king” women are deeply disturbing to children. – It’s because people like Linda Harvey tell them to be disturbed; it’s amazing how children can wrap their heads around things like this rather easily. Also, most people that live a trans-life work hard to blend in. Drag Queens and Drag Kings are performers and purposely dress over-the-top. If you don’t want your kids around drag performers, then don’t bring them to a drag show or a pride parade then.

    4. Students are sometimes blank slates for the indoctrination plans of homosexual political activists, teachers and others. – I wish there was a GLESN when I was in high-school. It would have made coming to terms with myself so much easier, and saved me a lot of my own money from my high-school job on the councilor I was privately seeing through my senior year.

    5. Now to the dynamite question: yes, some homosexually-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. – Yes and some heterosexually identified people also have sex with underage teens; what’s your point?

    6. Exposure of kids to pornographic material is fine with these folks. – I have posted here many times that pornography is too easy to see. I have even advocated for a separate triple X domain to be created where all pornographic material would be relegated too, thus making firewalls and parental blocks much more effective. I have also advocated for the government to crack down on the more graphic and violent genres of pornography as well – straight, gay, and bisexual films.

    7. Children quickly learn from homosexual adults that Christians are the “enemy.” – Can you even support this claim with evidence? There are even several Christian denominations that are accepting of gay people, and participate in pride events. If you are basing this claim on the lack of teaching Genesis in science and biology classes as fact, well…then you got me I guess. But Genesis shouldn’t be taught as fact, because it’s not.

    8. Despite health risks that are well documented by the Centers for Disease Control and other agencies, children seldom hear the whole story in public schools or anywhere else and in fact, are often deliberately misled. – Well, you wanted it this way Linda. Sex education in several states is “Abstinence Only.” Most teenagers do know what sex is, and it is a great disservice to them that they aren’t presented with a more in-depth and comprehensive sex education to know how they can protect themselves, and to identify early signs and symptoms of STD’s thus making it easier to treat and/or cure.

    9. Parental rights are mocked and dismissed by the adult leaders of the homosexual lobby. – Again, I wish there was a GLENS club when I was in school. It would have saved me a lot of trouble and money from seeing a therapist – which I also did without my parents knowledge.

    10. The real experiences of ex-homosexuals are deliberately withheld from students. – That’s why GLESN plays such an important role, and why it’s good that gay teachers and school faculty members are open, so questioning children can talk with these people. Furthermore, as a supporter of free-speech, I don’t believe it is right to prevent people from seeking change therapy. However, these programs should be closely monitored by the APA. Shock therapy is not valid treatment. And before children are admitted into these programs, they should undergo two separate sessions with two separate physiologists to determine if the child truly wants to change, or if he is being forced or cohered by his guardians.

    11. By demonizing conservative views, “gay” activists mount a wall preventing many kids from hearing the whole story. – It’s a free-speech issue. I don’t know what else to say. Gay people have the SPLC, and conservatives have Barbwire. One of the consequences of living in a free society, with free-speech, is differing views and opinions. If you want your children to have deeply conservative and fundamentalist Christian views, then raise them that way.

    12. By early corruption, homosexuals may put a stumbling block in the way of eternal salvation for many children, one that is often difficult to overcome. – America, especially today, is a secular nation. There are many religious people in America, but America supports differing views. Again, if you want your children to enter adulthood with deeply conservative and fundamentalist Christian views, then raise them to hold those views. You will never succeed in turning America into a Christian Theocracy, so I don’t understand what the point of your article is, other than to demonize pay people to people that also demonize gay people already. This battle you are fighting, as good intentioned as you believe it is, is a losing battle for you; and this gay rights battle you are fighting, is just one battle in a much larger war – the war to retain and gain people in the fundamentalist Christian faith. Last year over 3500 churches closed their doors in America. Young Americans by and large are shucking off old-school Christianity. The churches that are thriving are either large mega-churches with more modern views, and Catholic Churches that are benefiting from the influx of Mexican immigrants. The rest are just kind of “hanging-on” while their congregations age. Young people, by and large, don’t accept much of the bible as literal or factual. In an age with satellite telescopes, drills that can pull ice-cores from miles deep, submarines that can reach the deepest depths, and a whole host of technologies, along with more complete and factual global historical records that can be viewed and shared by everyone via the internet, it’s hard for young people in this world to accept the idea that the Earth is only 6000 years old, and Noah took 2 of every insect, animal, reptile, etc. onto the ark. So if these “biblical facts” can be doubted, then so too can the fundamentalist views on sexuality. You are an old woman, with old school ideals, living in a world that is passing you by; no wonder you are mad.

    • vorpal

      You are our big gay secret weapon, L1011. I never fail to be amazed at your patience to refute these absurdities calmly and rationally. I just can’t be bothered anymore after years of doing so, especially when they reach this level of the cray-cray.

      • L1011

        Oh I’ve wanted to let this old goat have it for awhile now. It’s been building up, HAHA!

        • Joshua T. Calkins-Treworgy

          Your last lines to her made me think of Stephen King’s ‘Dark Tower’ series, specifically, one phrase that comes up repeatedly: ‘The world has moved on’. Bravo, sir. I’d almost wonder if you’d like to give this sort of logical, rational and thoroughly constructed deconstruction to the nimrods over at Infowars. They could use a spot of being ripped apart with logic and reason.

          • L1011

            Oh boy, WND and Barbwire are enough. Arguing with a group of conspiracy theorists would be like begging to be punished. At one time, I did think Alex Jones was sort of credible, as I too find 9/11 to be fishy, but those loons on infowars are in another world what with all their ideas about HAARP, water fluoridation, FEMA camps, Agenda 21, etc. And over the last 5 years, it’s like Alex went from being a loud-mouth jerk to an insane, paranoid schizophrenic on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

          • lindairish

            You doubt agenda 21????

          • marlene

            probably in denial…

      • marlene

        your position has as little depth as L1011. morality goes way beyond a few shallow excuses. it actually holds up in real debate. Your pride is determined by your sexual orientation. too bad. there are more important character traits and principles to consider. but you’re on a mission and don’t want to hear it. i don’t care. i’ll tell you both this, though: you’re dangerous to all children, especially ones you claim you love. if you really loved them, you’d change your lifestyle instead of depriving them of a mother (female) or a father (male). methinks the fag dost protest too much. and statistically, you’re speading venereal and bacterial diseases at a greater rate than non homos. this article is great. your comments are pathetic.

        • L1011

          fag…? Well I could reduce myself to your level and call you a foul mouth ( unt, but I won’t. Instead I’ll continue to use logic, reason, and THE LAW to counter your filthy mouth.

          • marlene

            fag, filthy – haha. welcome down!

          • L1011

            HA HA HA, You know what is really fun? Watching your religion slowly dying. I expect to hear more name calling form your kind. But I take heart in thinking how awesome some of those old cathedrals will be as bars, dance clubs, condos and restaurants.

          • marlene

            bring in the clowns. i don’t have a religion. i have a faith. and it’s not in myself, like you, and it’s not in my sexual preferences, like you. and didn’t you know? fag is the new gay because i don’t think you’re happy and you probably cry a lot. my gay friends call each other fag – so sue me. anyway, i’ve had enough of your peaceful happiness and joy in your lifestyle – oops! that’s me! bye.

          • marlene

            oh by the way – unt you too. funny how your curse words center describe your sexuality. seems you’re pre-occupied with yourself. well, good luck with that.

          • L1011

            Oh, and fag isn’t? And I didn’t call you a ( unt, I would have except I’m better than you. But I still think you have a filthy mouth.

        • samantha d

          children do not need both a mother and father to succeed. you are disgusting. this life is not meant to be lived for others. what the hell is there to live for if you aren’t who you want to be and you aren;t doing what you want to do? you are seriously a sick lady and you have to realize this world is far more complex than you think it is.

    • mlaperle

      1. Tell that to Jerry Sandusky. He lived an outwardly normal, even successful life. Big deal! There are plenty of sick, deviant, or otherwise troubled individuals who appear to be fine in public. I don’t have time to bother with the rest of your fallacies.

      • Rob T

        What does Jerry Sandusky have to do with people “proudly living a homosexual life”?

        He’s a perfect example of what many studies have shown: It’s safer to leave your son in the care of an openly gay man than with men who say they are straight.

      • vorpal

        Yup. The Christian religion is full of them, as are heterosexuals.

        Nothing to see here. Move on.

        • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

          Most molesters are actually pederasts. Men who identify as homosexual are disproportionately responsible for such crimes terms of their percentage in the general population. The same holds true for the transmission of AIDS and other STIs.

          • Rob T

            No, actually, men who identify as straight are disproportionately responsibility for these attacks on boys (think Jerry Sandusky). Studies have shown you’re safer leaving your son in the care of an openly gay man than with a man who says he’s straight.

          • RJLigier

            All pedophiles are homosexual bisexual men and women. Heterosexuality is not bestowed upon you when you get married except in the bizarro world of the homosexual bisexual community.

          • Rob T

            This makes no sense (a male pedophile who abuses girls exclusively is a homosexual?). And your second sentence has nothing to do with what I wrote. Is this comment some sort of joke?

          • John

            That is just factually incorrect.
            You know about Google don’t you?

          • MarcoZandrini

            Huh? Link please.

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            Well, if said openly gay man was a victim of homosexual sex abuse while growing up, then I would be hesitant about leaving my son with him. I want to leave you a quote from “Homosexuality & the Politics of Truth” by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover -
            “..careful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals. The greater absolute number of heterosexual cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males outnumber homosexual males by approximately 36-to-1. Heterosexual child molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only 11-to-1, implying that pedophilia is more than three times more common among homosexuals.” p.64-65.

          • Rob T

            And the bulk of those “homosexual” cases were committed by men with no sexual history with adult men. Most of this molestation is done by men who either aren’t attracted to adults at all, or who are in a sexual relationship with one of the boy’s female relatives.

            So, again: Studies have shown you’re safer leaving your son in the care of an openly gay man than with a man who says he’s straight.

          • Mike

            Mr. Santinover was published by an evangelical press, not any academic outlet because his findings did not pass scientific muster.

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            Not true that his findings aren’t scientific. I met him at a clinical conference for mental health professionals. “Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth” was published for the general public. He cites and explains in layman’s terms research that was published in academic journals.

          • Mike

            You are a fool. Cite all these academic publications. You’re going to have a hard time… he has none. he is a bigot with an agenda, like you, and is about as well regarded by real academics as Mark Regnerus.

          • MDB

            That is utter bullsh**. Prove any of what you have stated.

          • L1011

            She won’t.

          • vorpal

            You mean exercising her imagination to feed her confirmation bias ISN’T proof?

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            You mean you’ve never heard of NAMBLA? The North American Man/Boy Love Association? Google it. The website is chilling.

          • Mike

            Your statistics are simply wrong. Now you know, having been so informed by one of your betters (me) so you are obligated to retractt your lies and apologize. Do so now or admit that you are an unrepentant liar and insane bigot.

          • Mike

            No. This is such a well known falsehood that ignorance can be no excuse. You are simply a filthy liar.

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            I want to leave you a quote from “Homosexuality & the Politics of Truth” by Dr. Jeffrey Satinover -
            “..careful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals. The greater absolute number of heterosexual cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males outnumber homosexual males by approximately 36-to-1. Heterosexual child molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only 11-to-1, implying that pedophilia is more than three times more common among homosexuals.” p.64-65.

      • MDB

        Sandusky is a seriously twisted (heterosexual-oops) serial pedophile…so what’s your point ?

        • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

          Sandusky homosexually molested teenage boys, so how is he a heterosexual pedophile?

          • MDB

            Ask his wife. Sandusky began his reign of terror long before these boys would be considered teens. Did it continue into their teen years, yes. Does that always happen, no. You obviously know nothing about pedophilia. It is the rape, molestation, power, abuse, manipulation and control over a child, ANY child. Sex is used as the ultimate weapon. The genders involved are really, irrelevant. Do your homework.

          • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

            Here is the correct vernacular.
            hebephile – a sexual preference for children at the cusp of puberty, between the ages of, roughly, 11 to 14 years of age.
            ephebophile – preference for those who have arrived at puberty, 15- to 16-year-olds
            pedophile is the desire for the pre-pubescent
            So, Sandusky was not a pedophile. Since he lived a double life as married-with-kids, he’s on the “B” part of the LGBTQ concoction – with emphasis on pederasty.
            The salient question that no gay advocate wants to explore is how many of his victims are now struggling with same-sex attractions as a result of this creep and his molestations? To go there would mean they’d have to admit homosexuality is not inborn.

          • Teri Simpkins

            Based on what you just wrote, Mr. Sandusky was NOT bisexual.. A pedophile is attracted to pre-pubescent, meaning he’s not necessarily attracted to the gender but to the age.
            As for your question that his victims may now be struggling with their sexuality because of his molestations, it is interesting. But the truth is as varied as people are themselves. I don’t think you could pinpoint any struggles as just from the attacks. I think you’d find that some of them had been struggling before the attacks and the attacks just allowed them to verbalize them more honestly.

          • Jessica

            No you ding bat, hetero men molesting little boys isn’t gay sex it’s f in child rape. Sandusky is the perfect example of a straight man that molests boys. And per 40 years of government statistics men that molest kids are 98.2%straight men.

            Your kid really is safer with a gay person vs. a straight man.

        • http://www.4simpsons.wordpress.com/ eMatters2

          so he was bi.

          • MDB

            Are you really that dense???

          • MarcoZandrini

            Link?

    • Matthew T. Mason

      5. Now to the dynamite question: yes, some homosexually-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. – Yes and some heterosexually identified people also have sex with underage teens; what’s your point?

      The point is you have no problem with this, probably because you are doing it yourself.

      • vorpal

        Where do you get the impression that we have no problem with it? I’m absolutely against it. We don’t have to spend our lives apologizing for or condemning the bad behaviour of a subgroup of our minority group in order to be against said bad behaviour. I don’t do that, and I’m not going to grovel pathetically to atone for every bad thing a gay person has ever done. When you start apologizing for the utter stupidity of venomous snake-handling Christians, Catholic priests who molest children (who ARE Christians, despite what you might say), etc, then you may have a leg to stand on. I’m not counting on it, though.

      • garybryson

        Why the obsession with pedophillia? Somethng we should know?

      • Red_Ruffensor

        Thanks, that comment really adds to the discussion. Why not say “Your mom wears combat boots” while you’re at it?

      • MarcoZandrini

        Please go back to Dumbfuckistan.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          So you won’t even try to deny it. That speaks volumes.

      • John R

        Who says we don’t have a problem with this? It’s wrong anyway it’s done, straight or gay. However it’s kind of sad that the majority of your posts, no matter the subject on hand, your comments are almost always about pedophiles. I suspect that maybe something deeper is going on here and that maybe at some time in your life you might have been a victim of a sick person. I this is the case I am truly sorry, if I am wrong, fine, so why the obsession of pedophiles?

      • Mike

        You are scum, matthew. The fact that you would make that kind of claim about another human being removes you from any shred of humanity. You are a rabid beast, mindless and viscous, just barely of enough cognitive ability to engage in spiteful hatred.

        I appeal to the mods. Is this kind of dishonest, immoral discourse allowed?

    • maccamcfc

      Well said mate, when you have logic, reason and facts on your side you cannot lose, no matter what other nonsense people say.

    • LeftistsStink

      There is a reason you have the overwhelming need suppress truth to validate yourselves. You are wrong. Good luck disproving logic, natural law and The Holy Bible.

      • Mike

        You are clearly incapable of applying logic, based on your foolishly stupid nickname, your clearly bigoted and ignorant ideas about homosexuals and your belief in that most clearly of mythic books, the Bible.

    • Emma Duncan

      as a former “blank slate” I can assure you, as far as I know, I had no gay teachers, and my parents and siblings were/are straight, and yet despite all their influence, I turned out gay…shocking!

      • thisoldspouse

        You were born into sin. That’s the only reason.

        • Mike

          That particular piece of christian myth is among the most repugnant. The idea that an infant is already doomed to , and is deserving of, permanent torture is disgusting and anyone who believes it is a pathetic, worthless sample of the worst of humanity.

          • marlene

            i’m with you. .thisoldspouse is misinfomed about the bible. no, they’re NOT born that way because each of is born with the spirit of God in us. some of us acknowledge Him and some don’t.

    • marlene

      i didn’t bother to read all of your rant. i’ve already taken the side of morality. seems you have your gay friends on this comment section with you.

      • L1011

        Um…okay.

  • concern00

    MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN.

    • Guest

      Your kingdom has been measured, your kingdom has been weighed and found wanting, your kingdom is divided from you?
      What are you trying to say?

    • Red_Ruffensor

      *UPHARSIN

  • Dannyboy

    A quote from the book, The Born Gay Hoax, that exposes homosexuals with their own words:

    Barbara Gittings, homosexual Activist:

    “It was never a medical decision—and that’s why I think the action came so
    fast…It was a political move.”
    “That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.”

    • vorpal

      No idea who Barbara Gittings is or what she’s talking about, but guess what, Dannyboy? One person doesn’t speak for all of us. I honestly believe with all my conviction that I have been gay all my life, because some of my earliest memories that left a big enough impression on me to actually remain as memories – going back as early as four – are about realizing that my feelings about other boys were not in line with anything I saw anywhere, and although I had no idea what “gay” or “homosexual” was and didn’t learn the terms until quite a few years later, I knew that I was wildly curious about other boys, wanted to marry a boy when I grew up, and had little childhood crushes on my guy friends.

      I don’t claim to know what causes homosexuality, because we honestly don’t know yet (but that being said, we also have no clue what causes left-handedness, either, so that’s not really much of a surprise), but I certainly never chose to exclusively experience same-sex attraction and find the very idea of opposite-sex attraction to be completely distasteful and alien.

      • Dannyboy

        The point of my post was that the psychiatric associations changed how they categorized homosexuality due mainly to arm-twisting and some nasty tactics, not science. This is documented in the book The Born Gay Hoax, and is just one of many interesting things it documents. I don’t claim to know all about homosexuality.
        The arm-twisting is continuing in the outrageous effort to outlaw reparative or change therapy. Society does not outlaw talk therapies. It is a new and nasty tactic. That’s what this is about. The force applied by homosexual organizations in various realms. That is what people are up in arms against.
        No one really cares much what someone’s sexuality is as long as they do not push it in society’s face. This is not understood or homosexuals don’t care.

        • vorpal

          You’re wrong, and I’m pretty sure I’ve told you this at least once before. Was there political pressure on the APA to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder? Absolutely, especially in light of the burgeoning gay rights movement. Was this solely responsible for the declassification? Absolutely not. See the research by Evelyn Hooker and the vast importance that it held in changing the ideas of the psychiatric and psychological climate of the time, which held misconceptions about homosexuality due to extremely limited exposure (i.e. generally only to homosexuals seeking therapy, usually for unwanted same-sex attraction or emotional issues stemming from growing up homosexual).

          What you FAIL to understand is that every time a girl whines about her boyfriend, every time a husband talks about his wife and kids, every time a heterosexual couple holds hands in public, every time someone puts a picture of his or her opposite-sex partner on their desk at work, etc. etc. etc, these are overt heterosexual displays that no one complains about. When gay people do the EXACT SAME THINGS, they are told that they are SHOVING their DISGUSTING LIFESTYLE and SEXUALITY in everyone’s face. If you cannot appreciate that this is a double standard, I really don’t know what else to say to you.

  • Dannyboy

    Another great excerpt from the book The Born Gay Hoax:
    Another lesbian, Rita Mae Brown (author of the best‐selling lesbian book
    “Rubyfruit Jungle” and a former lover of tennis pro Martina Navratilova) also
    declares that her lesbianism is the result of her repugnance for the social standing
    of men. “I became a lesbian because the culture that I live in is violently antiwoman.
    How could I, a woman, participate in a culture that denies my humanity? To give a man support and love before giving it to a sister is to support that culture, that power system.” (Lillian Faderman, Odd Girls andTwilight Lovers, p. 207)

    • 19gundog43

      Stop scaring the troll here with all these fact. You are a liar and a hater according to them. Any proof even if it is from their own side is lies. What a pathetic bunch.

    • vorpal

      It’s becoming more and more well-known that the causes of lesbianism might actually be – at least in some cases – different than those of male homosexuality, and that female sexual orientation might have some fluidity to it for some women, whereas male sexual orientation tends to be pretty rigidly fixed and unchangeable.

      Yes, interestingly, it does seem that there ARE some women who choose to be lesbians, often because of bad relationships with men, sexual abuse by men, or resentment towards the idea that society is patriarchal. You don’t really see this with men, though: men don’t become gay because of bad experiences with women. Well, I actually met ONE guy who had “decided” to become gay because he had spent years and years being rejected by women and couldn’t take it any more, and didn’t want to live a life of celibacy. He was a really nice guy, and used to hang out with my old group at the gay bars back in the late 90s. He met a couple of guys that he hit it off with and went out on a few dates with, but when it came time to engage in any romantic expressions such as kissing, he just couldn’t get into it, and finally had to admit to himself that he was a heterosexual through and through and couldn’t choose – despite his very best efforts – to be gay.

  • portertx

    Linda – as a gay parent of 4 now adult children which are all self sufficient and BTW heterosexual – You do not know what the heck you are talking about. But continue your rant…it is quite comical.

    • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

      Well, that is a subjective assessment. In your case, maybe they turned out okay DESPITE having a gay parent. Not knowing the circumstances which caused them to be raised sans their opposite-sex parent, it’s impossible to say. Either way, it does not logically follow that Linda Harvey does not know what she is talking about, or that your particular case should serve as a paragon of virtue.

      • L1011

        Linda Harvey is about as qualified to make assessments about children raised by gay parents vs. straight parents as that ridged horse faced Elaine Donnelly and her self important Center for Military Readiness is qualified to make assessments on military issues; that’s right, neither are qualified.

      • portertx

        And Linda Harvey assessment is not subjective? Please. And just what makes Linda Harvey a paragon of virtue? Her B.A. in English? That makes an expert? She is just some one who rides the anti-gay gravy train to the bank,.

        • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

          No, her assessment is not subjective because she is not speaking from personal experience. She documents. You may not like it that she documents, but her concerns deserve a fair hearing.

          • portertx

            I disagree it subjective hyperbole. Actually she does have personal experience and being rebuked by the LGBT community which hurts her sincerely held beliefs….. she even states that there are no homosexuals yet we exist.

          • Mike

            Incorrect. She recycles idiotic lies and illogical claims… as do you.

      • MDB

        Good grief, you would even damn Christ himself for healing someone on the Sabbath. Are you always so hypo-critical and ignorant ??

        • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

          Nothing at all hypocritical or ignorant in my response to portertx.
          Your comment about the Lord is way off base.
          If you’re going to be judgemental, then please do it properly (ie.basing your assessment on FACTS) as Jesus taught via the Gospel of John.
          (I’ll let you look up the Scripture, since you know so much.)

          • Mike

            Yes. You are an ignorant hypocrite. You assume that homosexual parenting is somehow wrong and that being gay is a negative outcome, both of which are ignorant lies that originate with your false and hateful Christian religion. You personal delusions about what your imaginary friend in the sky said to you through that book of mythology are irrelevant.

    • Red_Ruffensor

      You sound very proud of them, and your parenting was obviously successful, except you forgot to indoctrinate them correctly as the gay agenda demands. Yes, that last bit is sarcasm; I say that in case some of the good folk here couldn’t tell.

      • portertx

        Oh we did I sent them to gay camp – and “fabulous: therapy – Each one of them came to us over time and said they were heterosexual – but we still loved them, no matter how much were were disappointed – I needed those four toaster ovens – they make great wedding gifts. (sarcasm)

        We actually very proud of them – they are wonderful and a joy to be around. 1 married to a great man, 1 engaged to be married next year to another great man. The other 2 will hopefully meet the loves of their lives – We raised them to think for themselves – to question everything and not to accept the so-called status quo. If they want to follow a certain tradition, a religion, etc they were free to as we have a very diverse set of family and friends.

        • Guest

          cool story bro
          sounds like total crap though
          like everything else you post

          • portertx

            Well that means a lot coming from the likes of you – I must be doing something that gets you pissed off enough to comment. So thank you.

            BTW “guest” why not grow up can get a profile. I have yet to see you post anything beyond your lame drive by blabbering.

        • Red_Ruffensor

          That’s great. As for me, I have two daughters, but used to have a son and daughter. We love them both immensely, and the trans one is still the sweet soul she has always been. The other is bi, but nothing bothers us anymore, I’d still like to get them moved out of the house, though, but their schoolin’ still comes first. We’ve had some bewildering times, but at least life isn’t boring.

    • thisoldspouse

      Did you raise the with your homosexual lover, or with a former spouse/mother?

      • portertx

        They were raise in a household with same-sex parents.

  • Jeff Baker

    Actually, Dan White ( a Born-Again Christian) had plenty of problems with Milk’s orientation. Things like this, plus the deafening quiet of groups that squealed like pigs when confronted with signs that say “Happy Holidays” but are mum at hateful funeral protests could fill a site-long rebuttal to #7. (Right Wing Watch generally has this stuff covered.)

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  • penguin_boy

    Change every reference to homosexuality to one pointing to Judaism. Translate to German.

    Now read Mein Kampf.

    Pretty much the same charges.

    • Guest

      FAIL.
      Do you rape penguins too?

      • penguin_boy

        Ah, the ever-popular one word dismissal with personal attack attached.

        The fact is that Harvey’s little rant is pretty much the same thing as used by the Nazis to attack Jews. They’re perverse, coming for our children, will destroy our culture.

        Reactionary conservatism depends on fear to survive. Fear of change, fear of progress, fear of the different, fear of the alien. Linda Harvey is a master of making people afraid with one hand while taking their money with the other.

        Now, do you have any actual comments?

        • Guest

          You fail again. So, about those penguins?

          • penguin_boy

            The name comes from the fact that I’m known in RPG circles for introducing – humorously – penguins into a set of combat rules for the game _Traveller_. I’ve been fascinated by penguins since childhood. No sexual attraction, mainly because a. they stink, and b. I’ve been complete asexual for years after cancer treatments.

            Happy?

            The entire tone of this article is textbook “fear the outsider, they are coming for you children!” used by reactionaries for centuries. Study history much? This same rhetoric was used by both sides in the European Wars of Religion ( ca. 1524 to 1648). It was used to attack Jews, Roma, Moors, and Greeks. In the Americas, it was used to attack Natives, Irish immigrants, former slaves, Jews, Italian immigrants, labor activists, African-Americans (as distinct from the attacks on former slaves), Asians, Latinos, Catholics, intellectuals, Muslims, and yes, gays.

            The common thread is fear of the different and demands that some sort of purity be maintained through strict repression or expulsion of the suspect class. Problem is, even if you do manage to suppress that group, reactionary conservatism needs an enemy; so a new threat becomes the focus. When the Indian Wars ended, there was a blossoming of hysteria about Italians.

            Don’t bother responding if you can’t form a coherent argument.

          • Guest

            It is you who has no ‘coherent’ argument. Your appeals for sympathy fall flat, like your face. I don’t pity you. You are vile.

          • penguin_boy

            Actually, I make a pretty good argument. You simply have trouble reading it.

            Why exactly am I vile?

          • penguin_boy

            What appeal for sympathy? The asexual thing? Beats being dead, which was my other option. I’m living a great life. So, why am I vile?

          • penguin_boy

            Interesting that my last two replies to you were deleted….

    • Bob Greenpoint

      Don’t forget “The Protocols of Zion”!

      • penguin_boy

        Which is a proven forgery by the Russian Czarist police based on two older manuscripts, The protocols were constructed from the Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, an 1864 political satire by Maurice Joly and a chapter from Biarritz, an 1868 novel by the antisemitic German novelist Hermann Goedsche, which had been translated into Russian in 1872.

        No one but bigoted idiots seriously cite the Protocols anymore. It has been thoroughly debunked.

    • penguin_boy

      Interesting.. an entire discussion has been cut. Wonder why….

      • Mike

        The mod Brian Fitzpatrick has been deleting my posts to him and falsely claiming I used “bad language”. In reality, it is clearly because he knows he is wrong and won’t admit it.

        This is a Christian forum so the last thing we can expect is an honest debate.

        • http://barbwire.com Brian Fitzpatrick

          Now, Mike, you know perfectly well that the five posts of yours I deleted were not in conversations between you and me. I deleted them because you used four-letter words in them, as I explained to you.

  • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

    Hey, Mike, I’ve just deleted five (5) posts in which you use unacceptable language. Normally you don’t behave this way, so I’ll cut you some slack, but if it happens again, I’ll have to blacklist you.

    • Mike

      You are going to blacklist me for using accurately descriptive words that you don’t like while there are any number of filthy, hateful scum posting here who say every vile thing about other human beings yet that’s ok? Of course it is, because you agree with them, you cowardly hypocrite.

      Are you a child that you are afraid of words? Are you one of those fools that thinks that using certain words indicates limited vocabulary? Limiting the expressiveness of language because of a silly timidity is just pitiful.

      Like so many petty little theists who are given a little power, you are more then willing to use it to silence what is right so I will abide by your ignorant little rules. Are you proud and happy? Do you feel like a real christian man?

      • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

        I’m glad to hear you plan to abide by the rules. Personally, I love words, I don’t fear them. I’ve spent my whole life as a writer and editor, and my favorite comedian is George Carlin, who also loved words, and employed the choice Anglo-Saxon ones brilliantly. I also appreciate good manners and cogent argument, neither of which is served when people are slinging filth at one another.

        • Mike

          You do fear words. Any time you limit their usage because some people don’t like them, you are becoming the exact sort of awful people Carlin was so skilled at lampooning.

          It is ironic that you say you support good manners. You tolerate the most vile, hateful, and patently false claims that the christians around here make about homosexuals. You do that because you agree with them. Then, you use a transparently foolish standard to stifle comment you don’t agree with. You are a hypocrite and no fit mod.

          It is also ironic that you claim to support cogent argument when I have been trying to get you to make one for weeks. You think that circular argument and appeal to authority are valid argumentation. You don’t know what a cogent argument is.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            Regarding the circular argument, would you please explain how it’s a circular argument when we begin with the premise that men are incapable of making
            specifically detailed prophecies of events centuries in the future. Then we note that a writer named Isaiah makes a number of specific prophecies in approximately 700 BC. Next, we note that several writers in the first century AD report that they witnessed the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecies And therefore, we conclude that Isaiah must have been guided by a supernatural actor.

          • Mike

            I have explained it to you multiple times but you have simply been too stubborn and stupid to understand it but I will try again. Ii is because the question is the validity of the bible and using the bible to prove the bible is a self-referential circle and completely invalid. You are simply to foolish and set in your delusions to see the truth. That is truly pathetic.

            I note that you also handily duck discussing your deep hypocrisy regarding stopping my expression when the christians here repeatedly voice vile, hateful lies about homosexuals and the fact that you allow it because you agree with them.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            What you don’t seem to understand is that the Bible is not a single book, it’s a collection of books written over a period of thousands of years. Therefore the self-referential argument fails on its face. That’s why I call the circular reasoning argument “the fool’s wheel” — only fools try to ride on it.

            I allow offensive remarks from both sides all the time, Mike. You stepped over the line by using a series of four-letter words, which nobody can get away with.

          • Mike

            Incorrect. It is a single book compiled by a committee. There is no reason to engage on this with you. You simply are to brainwashed and moronic to actually engage. Unless you can provide evidence from outside the bible to support it, you will always be a failure.

            You are a failure as human being, of course, and you always will be but I did have hope for you at one time. that is done… you are beyond saving. Go live in your hateful, demon haunted world. Keep allowing hateful vindictive lies because you agree with them while condemning honesty and truth because you fear words.

            You are a child trying desperately to navigate a world you are afraid to understand/

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            The Bible is a collection of books, and each book was individually approved either by the ancient Jews or by the Christian church. The elapsing of seven hundred years between the writing of some of the prophecies and their fulfillment rules out the circular reasoning argument. Still, I tried to accommodate your circular reasoning argument by providing you with an article on the other thread that demonstrates the fulfillment of a Biblical prophecy, the destruction of the city of Tyre, recorded by extra-biblical sources. Have you read the article yet?

          • Mike

            You are a simpleton with no respect for your betters. I am done with you trashy scum. Your arrogance and ignorance are untouchable by either facts or sound reasoning. You are not worth any further effort on my part.

          • Mike

            I note that since I called you on it, you reinstated my posts. nicely done, coward.

          • Mike

            How simple and foolish you are. I have explained this to you several times but here we go again… I do have the tendency to tilt at windmills of deliberate arrogant ignorance like you. The question is the validity of the bible.

            You can’t use the bible to confirm the bible. If you can’t understand something that simple then I must stop this because I have been berating a mentally handicapped person.

            I note that you provide no defense for your inane, childish editing of my words because you are afraid of them. Am I to assume that you accept the point or are you just hiding it as you so often hide from the truth?

          • Mike

            I would be happy to if you would stop deleting my posts. You really can’t take being shown how weak and foolish a person you are, can you?

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            I deleted five of your posts in one evening, Mike, because you were using four-letter words, which I explained to you at the time. None of those posts was addressed to me. If you go back to the cursing, I’ll have to start deleting your posts again.

            Something has happened to you in the past couple of weeks — you’ve gotten really angry and aggressive, not just with me but with others as well. I hope you’re okay.

          • Mike

            Brian, I can only assume you are lying. The only posts that don’t come up are the ones addressed to you. Now, isn’t that a coincidence? It is common for christians to lie in a futile attempt to defend their hateful, bigoted views. It seems you are doing so. You are not an honest person or an honest debater.

            What has happened to me? I have been exposed to a vast unending deluge of insane, bigoted delusions from the posters here. Appeals to logic, reason, and morality are wasted on the scum who post here. They are beneath contempt for their disgusting lunacy and they deserve to be told.

            Then there is your pernicious influence. Christian posters say that homosexuals are pedophiles, a blatant lie, and you do noting. Christian posters voice the most vile and hateful things imaginable and that’s just fine. Then I use honest language and you edit me. It’s disgusting that you are fine with awful thoughts and deeply hateful and immoral lies… those are just fine but using profanity to call out evil is unacceptable.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            I have no reason to lie to you, Mike. If I feared or hated your posts, I could easily blacklist you. Instead I’ve gone out of my way to warn you about your language, so I wouldn’t have to blacklist you.

            I’m not the only person moderating the site, and I suppose it’s possible somebody else may have deleted messages you sent to me. But I doubt it, unless those posts included four-letter words, as we let pretty much anything go that doesn’t contain cursing and threats. I think you’re just mistaken.

  • Matthew T. Mason

    Once again, we have homosexuals and their apologists attacking the messenger instead of the message. And those that dispute the message, only do it because of the messenger.

    But it is par for the course. Homosexuals are after children. Period. And they are not even hiding it anymore.

    • L1011

      Didn’t you just refer to us as fa%%0t$ a little bit ago? So go f^(k yourself.

    • Red Mann

      That’s because the message, and the messenger, are completely and utter wrong.

      Why do you self-identified Christians spend so much of you time spreading hateful lies like this “Homosexuals are after children”. This is one of the many deceitful lies you loving Christians use in your vile campaign agaisnt your fellow humans, all based on the Big Book of Fairy Tales you call the Bible.

    • garybryson

      Lying troll for christ. How pathetic you’ve become. Your desperation is showing in how pitiful and hateful your comments have become. Sad actually as your holy man wouldn’t condone your actions.

      • L1011

        It is sad, and it brings out my bad side; I have a temper. I just told him off, but sometimes Gary I just can’t hold it in. It’s like I’m “that guy” that will lower myself to their standards while everyone stands around telling me to stop. LOL, oh well, I try to keep my composure here, but it’s hard.

        • Guest

          BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

        • vorpal

          The people here have helped me learn a LOT about patience and composure – also the fact that sometimes I genuinely enjoy telling someone just how stupid they are, especially if we can do so and still have a great discussion as the end result of it. (And my skin is pretty thick, so I have no trouble being called stupid, both when I am being stupid and when I’m not.)

          • Guest

            Be not a baker if your head be of butter, freakazoid.

    • ErickMN

      Once again, YOU are the only one posting about children. Just YOU. Get some help, and get it now.

    • Mike

      Wrong, you hateful scum. I am neither gay nor am I an apologist. You are clearly too stupid to know what apologist means so I will explain it to you. It is a half-baked pseudo-intellectual who tries to handwave away the foolish lies of Christianity.

      Homosexuals opposed to your hateful bigotry are your moral and intellectual superiors who can see you sullen, childish rage for what it is and don’t stand by and let you tell your filthy lies.

      I am also your moral and intellectual superior and I will not stand by and let filth like you lie unopposed. You are nothing but lying filth not good enough to lick the dirt off the bottom of my or a gay man’s shoes. Do you know why? Because you nothing. You are beneath contempt, part of a thankfully dying breed. You hate America and the principles it stands for. There is nothing good about who you are or what you do.

  • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

    Also, the Old Baptists are doing their best to honor God in their conduct in church, even though their position, though Scripturally defensible, is not shared by most Christian denominations. Still, honoring God is not a bad way to live, and they’re not just making it up. Making up your own moral code is the province of the left.

    • Mike

      You still act as if you unfounded, illogical views are relevant. Provide some evidence asI have challenged you in other forums here or have the good character to withdraw your claims.

      If you want to to take the infantile and stupid position that morals come from your god, first show that your god exists. You won’t try, of course, because you know that you can’t.

      I never said she couldn’t, just that she shouldn’t on account of her bigoted stupidity.

      • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

        Sure I can, but it’s too complex a topic to address effectively in this forum. Again, are you willing to consider the evidence that God exists and communicated to us through the Bible? Read Josh McDowell’s books, Evidence that Demands a Verdict and the condensed version, More than a Carpenter. Pay particular attention to the hundreds of Old Testament prophecies whose fulfillments were recorded both in Scripture and secular history. Human beings are incapable of describing in detail events that won’t take place for hundreds of years, so the fulfilled prophecies are very persuasive evidence that a supernatural actor is communicating through the Bible.

        • Steven Schwartz

          Sorry to interrupt, but since I have gotten a copy and read it, I figured I should let you know: I fear that the McDowell book did not prove particularly convincing, on any particular front.

          Specifically on the prophecies, I did some digging, and became ever more convinced that there were many cases of shaping the prophecy to fit the subject, or calling “”prophecies” things that were only taken later to be so. For example, he repeatedly cites translations from several hundred years post-Christ in order to justify textual readings that, on the face of them, have nothing Messianic about them.

          When one can pick and choose one’s prophecies, or create them where they seem fitting, they lose significant persuasive value.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            Not at all, I’m glad to see you obtained the book, but I can hardly believe you read it through in a day or two.

            Regarding specific prophecies, did you pay much attention to Isaiah 53? What strikes me about it, in addition to its accurate prediction of half a dozen details about Jesus’s crucifixion, is that these details appear within a neat summary of the Christian doctrine of substitutionary atonement, that Jesus died to pay the price for our sins. This doctrine was quite inconsistent with ancient Jewish practices, which required animal sacrifice for the atonement of sins and repudiated human sacrifice. Isaiah 53 not only predicts the crucifixion, it explains exactly what the crucifixion means in God’s plan, at least according to the New Testament perspective. And there can be no question that the prophecy was written after the event. Isaiah is generally accepted to have been written about 700 BC, if memory serves, but we have a physical copy of the text of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which predates the crucifixion by 150 years according to carbon dating.

            It isn’t surprising that some of the messianic prophecies about Jesus were not understood to be messianic prophecies before the crucifixion and resurrection. God sometimes conceals the meaning of Scriptures and allows us to understand them at the proper time Isaiah 53 being an excellent example, as the image of a Messiah being mistreated the way the man was in Isaiah 53 conflicted sharply with the common understanding that the Messiah would be a conquering king. Jesus made a point of calling attention to several prophecies while he was on the cross, and after he was resurrected, he made a point of explaining to the disciples how Biblical prophecies pointed to him.

            Also, you might look carefully at the Ezekiel 26-28 prophecy about God’s judgment of the city of Tyre, whose fulfillment was recorded in secular histories, rather than in the New Testament. People often assert that the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies in the Gospels was contrived by authors who added details from messianic prophecies to their accounts of the crucifixion in order to bolster the case that Jesus was the messiah. I don’t think this is a very credible objection, but whether it is or not, it cannot apply to Tyre. There’s a very good article about the Tyre prophecy on the Apologetics Press website, “Tyre in Prophecy.” I’ll put the url in a followup post, but you can easily find it in a web search.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            Here’s the Tyre url: http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1790

            It may take a while for the filter to intercept the post, and then for a mod to approve it. I just found one of my own posts hung up in the filter 22 hours after I posted it and saw it on the page.

        • Mike

          Are you willing to admit in the face of no evidence you must reject a proposition. Are you willing to admit that using one your foolish “Fulfilled prophecies” are not evidence or are you simply too dense? Will you ever understand what a circular argument is and why it proves nothing? Are you capable of understanding that despite your slavish fascination with the infantile writings of Mr. McDowell that they are poor sources of information?

          You are so deeply wrong. I have told you the facts and the correct way to think so now ignorance is no excuse for you. You are simply an arrogant, childishly stubborn fool. I have told you in the past that I am famaliar with his book but I am also familiar with far deeper and more serious theology (which still fails).

          It is becoming more and more apparent that you are simply incapable of real understanding. You are one part brainwashed slave, one part fool, and two parts moron. You are pathetic.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            I’m definitely dense, no question about it, but I am also perceptive enough to see when somebody is absolutely terrified of confronting evidence that would undermine his worldview. Sorry, Mike, I didn’t mean to frighten you.

          • Mike

            You don’t frighten me, you pathetic nothing of a man. You enrage me with your ignorance and your arrogance. You have the gall to think that I have not seen all the claims that you refer to? You have the gall to think that I haven’t considered them? You are an exasperating child that I am trying to help in spite of himself and nothing more.

            Now, we will start very simply in deference to your limitations. Do you understand that in the face of a lack of evidence, a proposition must be rejected? This is a basic rule of logic and any ability to reason is destroyed by not understanding it.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            You have no reason to be afraid of me, Mike. I’m not threatening you. It’s the evidence you’re afraid of. You haven’t proven that the fulfilled prophecies do not constitute valid evidence; all you’ve done is deny them without even looking at them. Because you’re unwilling to engage with McDowell, let me give you an article describing the fulfillment of a Biblical prophecy that was recorded not in the Bible, but in secular history, Ezekiel’s prophecy about the destruction of Tyre. There can be no question of circular reasoning, so you have no excuse for not reading about the Tyre prophecy. http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1790

          • Mike

            I have proven it, repeatedly. You are simply too stupid to see it.

            I have engaged with McDowell. he is as big a fool as you.

          • Mike

            How about this, Brian, you intellectually dishonest hypocrite. I am going to write two books:

            Book One: In the next book I will say “BLEARGH!”

            Book Two: BLEARGH!

            Now you must worship me, moron.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            If you published your two books seven hundred years apart, I would definitely have to worship you.

          • Mike

            What a damned fool you are. If you can’t accept so simple a fact as that you can’t verify a text’s viability by using the same text, you will never be a thinking human being.

          • Mike

            You don’t frighten me. You pitiful little pseudo-intellectual maundering is tiresome and exasperating at worst. I am trying to teach you something in the most likely vain hope that you can learn.

            Your false modesty is a good example of your dishonesty. You haven’t enough character to really admit how misinformed and foolish you are. Why add an obvious lie to your many flaws?

            You refuse to admit that not only do you not think, you refuse to learn how when I present it. You are simply pathetic.

  • regexp

    1. Anyone can be a disastrous role model. Case in point – Linda Harvey.
    2. The highest rate of divorce in this country is among evangelicals. So by Linda’s logic we should be removing children from any household that has “found Jesus”. Incidentally the lowest rate of divorce in the US is in the state that legalized SSM first.
    3. Mostly lies. And Harvey doesn’t give enough credit to kids and their ability to understand and adapt.
    4. See point 3. I can’t imagine how awful a parent Harvey is.
    5. Having sex with children isn’t straight or gay. Its pedophilia. And your child is more likely to be abused by someone they know of a different gender than any other group. I rather have my kids hanging out in a gay coffee shop than going on a church retreat.
    6. The most obscene event I can imagine taking my kids too is an NFL football game. But apparently Harvey is fine with violence and the incredible obscene activity of its fans.
    7. Harvey playing the victim card. We don’t “demonize Christians”. We plainly point out bigots who attempt to take away the pursuit of happiness from people that aren’t like them.
    8. More lies. But comprehensive sex education regardless of sexual orientation has proven more effective than any other method is lowering
    9. This paragraph makes less sense than the rest of this incoherent article.
    10. The real experience of roughly five people suppressing their sexuality is irreverent.
    11. You were named hate groups because you knowingly spread lies and deceit to marginalize or harm groups that are different than you.
    12. Translation: “if you spend your entire life in pain and misery you may get to meet a magic sky fairy and live out your life in happiness.”

  • JBenning

    No surprise here. We’ve known for a long long time that gays (aka: Queers) are out to get our children involved in this despicable lifestyle.

    • Mike

      No, they aren’t you filthy, worthless liar. How stupid can you be. Your betters, me included, have told you repeatedly what the facts are but you are just to arrogant a child to admit it.

      • JBenning

        Filthy worthless liar? Look in the mirror. It happens on a daily basis but you are the one too stupid and ignorant to know it. I’m a grown man 60 years old and you are………..what……..12?

        • Mike

          OK. I will look. What do I see? A middle aged man, well preserved but sadly never all that handsome. Married with two kids all of us thankfully free of the taint of religion. Financially stable. A community volunteer. Someone morally and intellectually so far superior to you there really is no comparison.

          You, Jbenning are a lying piece of filth. You are stick on one idiotic delusion and you are too stupid to ever be moved off of it. The fact is, homosexuality and pedophillia are two very different things. The fact that you are too simple minded to understand that is your problem.

  • JBenning

    This one made my blog. Sorry queers but you are failures. Have a nice day.

    • vorpal

      OH NOES. Not your blog!

      However will I muster up the strength to go on as a homosexual now that I’ve been blogged about and given an F– by the illustrious JBenning?

      • JBenning

        G’nite vorpal. Sleep well.

        • vorpal

          You too. Have a great night! (Despite my snark, I sincerely mean that.)

    • Mike

      You have a blog? What a wasteland if moronic ramblings and incoherent unreasonable hatred that must be. You are a pathetic, hateful little nothing of a man. You are a cowardly, un-American little piece of filth and you do not deserve the blessings of liberty in this great secular republic.

      • JBenning

        Hey Mike! Guess what little man….I served my nation so asshats like you can open your mouth and spout your opinions. The only hate here is from you. Now, get off the puter and let others do the talking.

        • Mike

          Stop lying. You never served. Cowardly, right wing scum like you always claim that to add some moral force to their lies and hateful unAmerican claims. Why do you do that? Can you not speak the truth in any way?

          Shame on you for comparing yourself, lying little filth that you are, to real patriots. You hate what America stands for and deny it’s deepest principles and then try to stand there and claim honors it is painfully clear you never earned. Get out on my great secular republic. You don’t deserve it’s blessings of liberty, you scum, willing as you are to take them from others.

        • Mike

          Are you going to tell the truth for once and admit your disgusting lies? What a filthy coward you are.

  • Guest

    Of course homosexuals molest children.
    That’s been well established for thousands of years.
    It’s how they make more of themselves. They don’t care about anyone’s rights,
    they destroy children. They’re monsters.
    Is America just realizing this? Better late than never.
    The ox is slow, but the earth is patient.

    • vorpal

      LOL. Just LOL.

      • Guest

        No, I don’t think so.

        • vorpal

          It’s too stupid, utterly false, and entirely unsubstantiated to reply to with anything but a “LOL” and a “Nuh-uh!”

          No one outside of far-right hypoChristian circles believes such blithering nonsense. Virtually everyone knows gay people today, either as friends or family members, and they know that these people were not “created” through molestation. I have never in my life been molested and I am as gay as a guy can get (in that my romantic experience with the opposite sex is, happily, limited to a couple distasteful kisses forced on me by girls as a teenager at parties, and not in that I fall into any stereotypes).

          • Guest

            TL;DR, not interested in your nonsense anyway. Ciao.

    • John

      What a crock!
      98% of pedophiles are men
      90% of pedophiles are heterosexual
      so obviously heterosexuals don’t care about anyone’s rights,
      they destroy children.

      You’re an idiot!

      • Guest

        It’s absolutely true. Cry about it.
        98% of people are heterosexual.
        The 2% that are homosexuals commit a third of the molestations.
        Math is not your bag, flailer.
        You lose.

  • truth or consequences

    Homosexual acts are a perversion of the natural order. Teaching children that unnatural sex is normal is shameful and even criminal.

    • lacideshae

      Criminal?

      • truth or consequences

        Absolutely. When someone lies to tell a child that sexuality is anything but what is healthy and normal between one man and one woman in real marriage is causing great harm to that child. Therefore it is criminal. Children are being robbed of their innocence and childhood. The people that are perpetrating this evil on the heart of a child are passing their perverse heart on to that child. Let the children alone to learn their abc’s and good manners and how to count and color between the lines. Let them be children.

        • ErickMN

          Every major medical, psychological and psychiatric organization in the western world calls your comments GARBAGE and you a LIAR.

    • http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com/ Emelye Waldherr

      How is it unnatural when it’s found in nature among the lower animals as well as humans? I suspect you equate everything that makes you feel icky as being unnatural. Is that the case or am I mistaken?

      • thisoldspouse

        Cannibalism, infanticide, unfettered sexual promiscuity and a host of other decidedly anti-social behaviors are also ubiquitous in the animal kingdom. Should we emulate all these as well?

        • Mike

          Only you christians. It would improve you. The rest of us are a bit more advanced and actually have a moral sense.

        • http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com/ Emelye Waldherr

          You just moved the goalposts. The post was about calling it unnatural, not if it is desirable or not. Of course, cannibalism, infanticide, unfettered sexual promiscuity is harmful and thus immoral, in my view. Being gay, however, is not. Your reply, since it did not address the subject at hand, is irrelevant.

  • lacideshae

    You’re a disqusting human bring. Im not s homosexual, my parents aren’t, but I support them. Doesn’t the bible say not to judge, and what are you doing… judging and making ridiculous assumptions. I’m a christian, I grew up in church and attended a private baptist school, and yet im not a hsteful judgemental witch like you. As Christians it is our job to tell others about god and let them mske their decision from there. It had and never will be your job to criticize anyone else.
    So gay marriage is an abomination, well then divorce must be too.
    What about unwed mothers? Im 24 and have a 2 year old son and im not married. Am I going to hell. No, im not.

    I do however feel like the day you are judged by God you will see how wen wrong you truly are. You have no right to judge people and post hate sbout them.

    People like you make me sick.
    So go shelter your kids from all of us that choose to live in the 21st centure , not the stone ages. And realize youre the ony hurting your children.
    You arent preparing them for life, for the real world.
    How do you keep a job or grocery shop ordoanything around non crazy people?
    Do you walk through the grocery store judging people .. hey thats a sin !
    Do you hate these people.. hey thats a sin too.
    Do you post blogs, and teach others lie after lie…sin too.
    Im noticing a pattern.

    You are a sinner, just like the rest of us.

    Shame on you for being so hateful.

    • Guest

      Liar, you’re no Christian.

      • Red_Ruffensor

        Good comeback — you sure fixed her wagon, didn’t you?

        • Guest

          I can fix yours too, poindexter.

          • Red_Ruffensor

            It looks like your best shot is “You’re not a Christian.” I know I’m not, so you’ll have to think of something else.

      • lacideshae

        Actually I am. My relstionship with God is my business and I dont need to prove it to anyone. How can you tell someone they’re not a christian, thats not very Christian of you.
        Im sorry that I choose to accept people for who they are. God makes everyone the way he wants them to be, he doesnt make mistakes.
        I’m going to do some serious prayer for you people because you need it.

        • Guest

          Like I said, you’re no Christian. Your prayers are worthless.

          • portertx

            Oops my mistake you must be GOD trolling the board since you are saying their prayers are worthless…

      • John DeGraffenreid Jr.

        You know that whole “judge not lest ye be judged” thing? Yeah. What you’re doing right now is the very thing Jesus said not to do, judging another person’s relationship with God and the status of their soul; something only He can do.

        • Guest

          You know that whole ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ thing?
          Yeah, you only want to read that part. Read the rest of it,
          then go play in traffic. You’re no Christian either.

          • John DeGraffenreid Jr.

            Actually I am a Christian and have been for many years, not that I have to answer to you about it. Also it’s really quite interesting that you’re the one hiding behind a guest account and basically telling people to kill themselves, which denotes cowardice and holding anger in your heart toward your brother the latter of which Jesus said was murder in the eyes of God.

            Not much can be done about the former but I forgive you for the latter. Have a nice day and God bless.

          • Guest

            Your sophistry does not impress anyone. Your ‘forgiveness’ is neither necessary nor possible. You are NOT a Christian.

          • John DeGraffenreid Jr.

            You seem awfully adamant about that considering you don’t know me from Adam. My relationship with God and Jesus Christ is pretty much the only reason I’m even still alive after what I’ve been through. However I’m also not interested in a vain debate with someone who’s only interested in sowing discord and making people angry with comments like “go play in traffic”.

            I hope you find some peace in your life man and that you find a way to let go of all that anger. It’s not healthy and it’s it’s an awful way to live. Trust me. I know from experience.

          • portertx

            So you are the final judge of who is or isn’t Christian — Jesus is that you — trolling the boards?

      • portertx

        And neither are you.

    • vorpal

      Thank you for the support. It is easy to forget that there are Christians out there that are accepting of LGBT people since the voices of the anti-gay Christians are usually so loud, so please speak up more often.

    • thisoldspouse

      No, the Bible does not say “not to judge.” You are believing the falsehoods of the God-hating Left.

      • Mike

        It doesn’t matter what the bible says you absolute moron. It is a book of myths that only fools like you believe in. You are worthless bigoted filth and that hateful book and your hateful religion are the reason why.

        You are a brainless follower, mindlessly accepting the lies of christian and conservative demagogues. Grow up.

  • james

    America in general is a dead nation…We are about the go the way of Rome….When 51% of kids are being raised in single parent homes, when homosexuality and Gender Identity disorder is promoted as normal, when porn floods our cities like open sewers, and abortion takes the lives of over 50 million preborn babies it is a sign the judgment of God is about to fall…All you have to do is realize we are well on our way as a nation to owing china and other nations over 17 trillion dollars…We should know one day soon, their going to come collecting and then its not going to be happy days are here again!!!!!

    • L1011

      You don’t understand monetary policy or how our currency works at all.

      • http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com/ Emelye Waldherr

        He doesn’t understand LGBT people either. But then again, neither does Linda Harvey.

    • portertx

      “America in general is a dead nation…We are about the go the way of Rome….When 51% of kids are being raised in single parent homes’en

      And yet you blame the LGBT community for this failing – and you focus so much time and effort on us – when the problem from what you describe is in your own back yard…worrying about a spark hitting my house when your own house is buring to the ground….Odd.

      BTW

      We owe most of the money to ourselves.

      We owe a big chunk of the money — about $5 trillion — to the Federal government. So if there ever were a default (hopefully there won’t be) the government would also be stiffing itself.

      We owe about $5 trillion to other countries, including China.

      The total debt to China is only $1.3 trillion. So we’re not in hock to China as much as some people think we are.

      Yes, it’s a boatload of debt. But the experience of Japan, the U.S. after World War 2, and other countries, suggests that it’s a manageable amount, as long as we eventually get our long-term entitlement spending under control.

      • L1011

        Keep in mind that the debt held by the American people is financed at an interest rate just slightly higher than 0% and is sitting idle in banks as reserved – it’s not circulating – in fact the amount of currency in circulation has only grown about 3% annually after the stimulus. Just growing the GDP will pay that debt down over time. And a lot of the debt owned by China is also at nearly 0%. I can’t remember where I read this, like Forbes or Business Times, but the federal government has assets that total over 100 Trillion, so we are fine; there won’t be a default because the government could always hand over assets in an emergency. I’m not saying that the debt isn’t something we should be concerned with, but it’s much more important that the GDP grows rather than focusing on paying down the debt. Because debt is money (Bonds, Treasuries, T-Bills, Securities), we will never pay off the debt, otherwise there wouldn’t be any money in circulation, but the debt should be about 75% to 85% of the GDP rather than the 110% it is today. In my opinion, we should be stimulating the economy with several large infrastructure project (like China did), but unlike China that overbuilt, America’s infrastructure in crumbling, and there are several productive and useful things that would benefit our future.

  • Jarhead

    Queer is queer…f you think otherwise you are!

    • Mike

      Jarhead, you are filth. You are beneath contempt. There is nothing good about who you are or what you do.

      Stop using the name “Jarhead” as if you served. You are far too stupid and delusional to get in. Shame on you for your self-aggrandizing lie.

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  • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

    Ready for a long one? It might be easier to print it out — and by the way, how do you get italicized type to show up in these comments? I have to use quote marks.

    “I refer you here for Isaiah 53: http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Isai…”

    What I’ve read so far of AISH is quite interesting, but I haven’t completed
    it yet. I’ve noticed a couple of problems thus far.

    I have completed the 10/42 article, and I agree with you that it demolishes the 10/42 apologetic. The article does
    contain a major error: it assumes that the authors of the gospels are not the “traditional” authors — a very problematic assumption—and consequently asserts that there were no contemporary eyewitness accounts of Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection. I think it’s safe to say if there had been no eyewitnesses of the resurrected Christ, there would never have been a Christian faith in the first place. Christian faith is very evidential. Establishing or disestablishing the authenticity of the gospels was beyond the scope of the 10/42 article, of
    course, so I’m not condemning the author for failing to prove the unprovable assumptions of higher criticism. Just registering my exception.

    I hadn’t heard of the 10/42 apologetic before you mentioned it. Obviously it is merely a rhetorical flourish.
    The folks promoting it have acknowledged their errors, as well they should, but this particular apologetic is no more an article of biblical Christian faith than the Shroud of Turin. I do, however, cling to my authentic nail from the Cross, which I purchased from a very well connected street urchin in Rome. Seriously, though, I was surprised to find there were so many extra-biblical literary sources discussing Jesus, on the same order of magnitude as the number of references to Tiberius. The sources that count, though, are the inspired NT authors.

    Speaking of inspiration …

    “It isn’t surprising that some of the messianic prophecies about Jesus
    were not understood to be messianic prophecies before the crucifixion and resurrection.

    “Here’s the
    problem; if they were not known to be beforehand, then speaking of
    “fulfilling” them is meaningless; and what is more, they lose *all*
    evidentiary value.”

    Why should this be so? We’re getting into the intricacies of divine inspiration of Scripture here, which nobody, frankly, knows much about, as it hasn’t happened for 2000 years, and none of the inspired writers ever let us know how the process worked. Apparently God sometimes used men to record messianic
    prophecies without realizing what they were doing, and other facts about which the inspired authors had no direct knowledge. For example, Moses recorded details of much older Near Eastern cultural customs he could not have known about himself, but his accuracy has been confirmed by archaeology. Similarly, inspired authors made observations about the natural world
    that weren’t discovered by science until the past couple of centuries. I believe McDowell addresses this material in detail.

    For our purposes it is clear that a book written seven centuries prior by an observant Jewish prophet, Isaiah, contains a description of a human being who died
    as a sacrificial lamb for the sins of the people, which is the essence of Christian doctrine. Isaiah 53 adds specific details about the lamb’s torture, his conduct during the torture, his death, the circumstances of his burial, all of which are consistent with Jesus’s suffering
    as recorded in the gospels.

    The Gospel writers were fully aware that Jesus deliberately fulfilled several prophecies with his words on the cross. John 19:28: “After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill
    the Scripture, *said, “I am thirsty.” (Psalm 22:15) Jesus also pointed to Isaiah 53 when he said, while suffering for us on the cross, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34), personally fulfilling Isaiah 53:12: “Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and
    interceded for the transgressors.” Or if you’d prefer an exact quotation, Jesus pointed directly at Psalm 22 when he quoted Psalm 22:1: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34). Matthew points to the same verse (Matt.27:46) and adds a reference to Psalm 22:18 (Matt. 27:35, NKJV):

    35 Then they
    crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots,[f] that it might be fulfilled which was spoken
    by the prophet:

    “They divided My
    garments among them,

    And for My clothing they cast lots.”[g]

    “God sometimes conceals the meaning of Scriptures and allows us to
    understand them at the proper time

    “And this
    runs us into the old problem: Allows *who* to understand them? Because
    certainly, Jews have their own, equally valid on the face of it, interpretation
    of verses like Isaiah 53. There is nothing to prevent people who wish to cherry-pick
    from doing so, if meanings are concealed and supposedly later revealed.”

    God allows whoever he wishes to understand them, but typically his followers. The AISH article stumbles into one
    illustration while making a different point. Luke 9:43-5:

    But while everyone was marveling
    at all that He was doing, He said to His disciples, 44 “Let these words sink into your ears; for the
    Son of Man is going to be [y]delivered into the hands of men.”
    45 But they [z]did not understand this statement, and it was concealed from them so that they
    would not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this statement.

    I can’t explain why He does this. You’ll have to ask Him. But do note Romans 1:18 and following, where
    God repeatedly darkens men’s perception because of their growing rejection of His authority and commitment to sin.

    “Please note I
    am not accusing the Gospel writers of deliberate dishonesty; confirmation bias
    is an *incredibly* powerful force.”

    Understood, and I appreciate your forbearance, but
    confirmation bias works both ways, and it is unlikely at least as far as the Gospels are concerned. McDowell does a good job of explaining how carefully the inspired texts were preserved by Jewish and Christian scribes alike, because they thought they were handling God’s
    own word – and how the individual books were rigorously tested before they were accepted as genuine by the early church. No book written after John’s Revelation, AD 90 or so, was accepted by the church as inspired. Thus there were actual eyewitnesses present who would have exposed false accounts, or sounded the alarm against efforts to add inaccurate details to the
    true accounts, universally accepted by the early church as God-inspired, of the crucifixion and resurrection.

    Much of the academic community, however, assumes the “low view” of Scripture, that it is man-made rather than divinely inspired. Therefore they have to interpret all evidence in accordance with their theory, so they dismiss all records of miracles. Even though the authors claimed to be eyewitnesses themselves, or that they were consulting eyewitnesses, the critics are forced to assume the gospel writers picked details out of messianic prophecies and plugged them into the crucifixion accounts to make it appear Jesus was the prophesied messiah, and on top of that, simply lied when they said they personally witnessed the resurrected Jesus. I could understand adopting this position if the critics had physical evidence to support the “low view” theory, but to date such evidence is lacking. Nobody has produced the “Q” document, or any compelling reason to doubt the traditional authorship
    of the texts, such as versions of the originals with alternate authors. There are no alternative versions with
    substantially different accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection, or anything else for that matter – the only disputed passage I know of that’s more than a few words in length is the last 13 verses of Mark, and I personally
    agree with the critics that this passage was distorted or invented by a very early redactor. Therefore I refrain from swallowing poison or handling snakes.

    The low view asserts that the gospel writers started from
    the position of belief, then contrived the gospel accounts to bolster their doctrine. Why would they do this, when
    they were trusting their own eternal destiny to the truth of what they taught? And if the “traditional” authors knew their documents were false, why did they die almost to a man defending the beliefs? There is no record that any of the original disciples and eyewitnesses recanted, so it makes sense to assume they were sincere in their beliefs. Obviously their sincerity by itself doesn’t prove they were factually correct. Still, I think it’s more logical to accept that they started by witnessing miracles, developed faith from watching Jesus heal people and bend the laws of physics at will for three years, and recorded the miraculous events for the benefit of future generations. As Luke explains (Luke 1:1-4):

    Inasmuch as many
    have undertaken to compile an account of the things [a]accomplished among us, 2 just as they were handed
    down to us by those who from the beginning [b]were eyewitnesses and [c]servants of the [d]word, 3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having [e]investigated everything carefully from the
    beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
    4 so that you may know
    the exact truth about the things you have been [f]taught.

    And John 20:30-31:

    30 Therefore many
    other [a]signs Jesus also performed in the presence
    of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been
    written so that you may believe that Jesus is [b]the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing
    you may have life in His name.

    “I will look into Tyre; but you must
    understand that one prophecy, out of a huge book, does not, again, a convincing
    case make. One *can* believe it, but it does not compel belief.”

    Fair enough. Nothing compels belief; we all have free will. I will finish reading the AISH document and let you know what I think.

  • Sam

    There is one good reason to stay away from homosexuality. It is a sin and God hates it. If you do it anyway, then you are practicing idolatry. Gays are their own gods and it will come back to bite them.

    • Mike

      There is one good reason to stay away from Sam. he is a christian and hates people because his stupid god tells. He worships the hatred and violence of christianity and one day it will bite him back.

      • Sam

        You deviants will say anything to justify what you do. Just keep your perversions to yourself. I am tired of the left winging liberals working to trash our society. Now the pedophiles are screaming for their “rights” because they were “born that way”. Pandora’s Box is opened.

      • Sam

        You don’t know right from wrong, Mikey. What is moral about homosexuality?

        • Mike

          Nothing, you moron. The important things is that their is nothing immoral about it. What is immoral is the hatred and bigotry of christians towards them. What is evil is the desperate need of some scum like you to deny them equal protection under the law or to push through hateful laws allowing discrimination against them in businesses.

          • Sam

            I never said I hated gays. I do hate the behavior. Does it make you feel better about yourself to call me names and take up for sodomy? Gay have the same rights as anyone else. They want special rights to marry same sex. Why didn’t they go for civil unions? I tell you why. Because they are caught up in the devil’s game. It is YOU who needs to learn to recognize evil. Homosexuality is an evil behavior. It takes people to the dark side.

          • Mike

            You told that tired old christian lie. Does anyone believe that tripe anymore. Pathetic.

            You are an idiot. Heterosexuals have the right to marry the one, nonrelated consenting adult of their choice. Gay people don’t. That is unequal protection under the law. End of story, moron. You might think differently but you’re an idiot.

            “The Devil’s Game?” What a crock. You are a deluded fool. Your god is a myth and so is your devil. Until you grow up and realize that, you will never be a worthwhile human being. Homosexuals wnat equal rights because it is the just and moral thing. Hateful bigots like you have no right to deny that to them.

            I do recognize evil, you simpleton. I see one group that says “Lets us live like eveyone else” and another group says “No, you can’t because I don’t like you.” It’s easy to see who is evil there.

  • Emma Duncan

    uhhh…lets see, as the youngest of three, I was counted on to be the go-to babysitter for both my sister and brothers kids. All four are good well adjusted happy heterosexual adults. Now I know Linda is no doubt concerned that her gig telling lies and misinformation about the gay community is coming to a screeching end, and she is clinging to it, in hopes of squeezing out a few more dollars…

  • PR8ZS8N

    God what a horrible, ignorant and bigoted woman. Being gay and harboring a desire to abuse or be intimate with children are two totality unrelated things. This is just a pathetic attempt to demonize people whom you find objectionable. There’s nothing moral about that.
    I’d much rather have my kids tell me they were gay than to tell me they were born again Christians.

    • Natalie

      Why? Do you like being lied to?

      • Mike

        No. He knows that being gay is not immoral while being a christian is very wrong.

        • Natalie

          Does that explains why homosexuals have to get sex changes to fix something that is not broken?

          • Mike

            Who are you to pass judgemant on elective surgery someone else wants. I bet your even one of those stupid people that thinks abortion is murder and that you should get to force your beliefs onto others.

  • PR8ZS8N

    “Homosexuality is called an “abomination” in Leviticus. The Apostle Paul calls it a degrading passion in Romans 1. How can we ignore this ?”
    Easy. Stop reading that horrible book.

    • Natalie

      Keep reading it, and you’ll see that God saves those who want out of that sin. 1 Corinthians 6:11.

      • Mike

        Read something real and don’t waste your time..

        • Natalie

          Funny how the LGBTs had to make their own mock-bible. If they hate the bible, why did they have to make one that ultimately praises god, a false god, but still. They love their lies apparently.

          • Mike

            Funny how christians still believe in the bible when it is a mythical morass of impossibilities, contradictions, immorality and lies.

      • L1011

        The bible has many good uses; (1) toilet paper (2) door stop (3) more toilet paper (4) using against ignorant Christians (5) fire kindling (6) target practice instead of clay pigeons.

        • Natalie

          Only to those who want hell to be their home…repent.

          • L1011

            Well, as the saying goes, heaven for the weather, hell for the company.

          • Natalie

            There are more than one heavens (sky, space) but the kingdom of God is eternal.

          • Mike

            Why do you continue to believe in idiotic myths? What exactly is the nature of your mental deficiency? Let me give you a hint. Look up cognitive dissonance.

  • Natalie

    Homosexuals will continue to lie to people, starting with themselves. A life style filled with so many sexually disturbing practices is being fed to our children as if it is normal. It is abnormal.

    • thisoldspouse

      They are chronically angry, because they know at root that they can never fully swallow the lie they are telling themselves.

      • Mike

        You are ignorant trash. Why do filth like you think that you should be able to obvious lies about gay people, saying things like “they are abnormal perverts” or “They want our children!” yet they should take it with equanimity? What makes you think that gay people should stand by quietly while America-Hating scum like you try to take their civil rights away or make it legal to commit blatant discrimination against them without reacting?

        You hateful, bigoted worthless things actually think you deserve anything other then hatred and anger? It’s what you put out in the world, so that’s what you get back.

        You can try to convince yourself that the justified hatred and scorn you receive is somehow not your fault but that is the reaction of a spoiled child, which is unsurprising considering that is what you are.

        So tell me, you disgusting Christian scum… how should gay people reply to your hatred, lies and bigotry?

        • thisoldspouse

          You’re exhibit A to prove my theory, Mike.

          Rant away, little boy.

          • Mike

            Rant? No, you hateful scum, I speak the truth and you are too stupid and arrogant to see it. There is nothing good about who you are or what you think. You are a filthy, unrepentant liar since you keep condemning homosexuality and I , you better, has explained to you that you are wrong. You can no longer be excused by ignorance, you act only out of malice and hatred.

          • Natalie

            Ha! All I see is a big baby crying over spilled milk. News flash, calling us all manner of hateful words doesn’t help your group’s “love, tolerance and equality” claims.

            It just make you look like a foaming hypocrite.

          • Mike

            Incorrect, you filthy trash. What makes you think you deserve anything other then the hate of decent human beings? You hate gay people for no reason and then you hide behind the pathetic lie that you in fact love them. What a liar you are.

          • Natalie

            Sorry, angry man. Try again. Your love is showing. At least be like the other complainers here. Although they hate, they do not cry and nag like how you’re doing.

            They actually present arguments, faulty arguments, but still.

          • Mike

            Yes, I am angry with you and scum like you. You use your idiotic religion as an excuse to hate real people and wish them harm.

            The arguments are simple but I know you won’t accept them. There is no evidence for your religion, thus no reason to believe it. Trying to deny the humanity and right to equal protection under the law for Americans for any reason, most especially for such an inane one as religion is simply wrong. yet, you do so with this undeserved arrogant assurance of your moral certitude.

            I don’t hate your god and more then I hate Harry Potter. They are both fictional. I detest the mindless followers of the myths, like you, and the wrong they do.

          • Natalie

            Oh, so you’re an angry atheist.

            You say that there’s no evidence to my faith. Can you tell me how you know that?

          • Mike

            Yes, I am an Atheist; it is the only reasonable position to take in regards to religion. Yes, I am angry; because that is the only reasonable response to the disgusting bigotry, hatred and evil of religion.

            Evidence? No, I will not explain it to you. You are too stupid to understand it. You are too pathetically idiotic to even conceive of it. First, I would have to teach you what evidence is. Then I would have to teach you how to think and use logic. then I could present the arguments but I’m not going to waste my time on you. You couldn’t understand it and would refuse to if you could.

            The evidence is right there in front of your moronic face but you are too pitifully limited to see it.

          • Natalie

            So you have no evidence of why you think there is not a God, yet you are absolutely sure that you are right.

            ….the Word of God says that the fool said in his heart…that there is no God. How correct.

          • Mike

            You ignorant pile of filth, you are too stupid to understand reason at all. You are making the positive claim. it is incumbent upon you to provide support for it.

            Learn something, you ignorant cow, or shut your foul mouth.

        • Natalie

          You mad bro?

          • Mike

            Yes. I am angry when I see hateful ignorant trash hurting real people in the real world because of your disgusting religion. you are the worst that that humanity has to offer.

          • Natalie

            You just described yourself perfectly.

      • Natalie

        But they sure try.

      • imnotgay2008

        you should SEE what i could swallow! Hawt!!!

    • Mike

      The liars here are theistic bigots like you, scum. You are so eaten up by your vile hatred and evil bigotry you will tell any lie to support your idiocy. Homosexuality isn’t immoral. Your condemnation of it is.

      Who are you to tell others what is and isn’t normal? What gave you the idea that anyone should listen to a paltry little bigot like you?

      • Natalie

        you mean the hatred that tells homosexuals that they can be saved from their life style of confusion?

        • Mike

          No, I mean the idiotic, bigoted hatred that makes you think they are confused and the arrogant ignorance that makes you think your delusional opinion should be listened to.

          • Natalie

            Oh. That’s what the homosexuals do. lol

          • Mike

            No, you silly child. Homosexuals say “I want to live like every other American.” Scum like you say “No. I don’t like you so you can’t get married or shop in my store.” If you don’t realize that you are the bigot here you are simply too stupid to speak.

          • Natalie

            No. Homosexuals are like “YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT WHAT I DO OR ELSE BE A BIGOT!” AND YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE TO IGNORE WHAT YOUR FAITH SAYS!!”

            But it’s equality. LOL

          • Mike

            You are a fool. You are really so deeply stupid that you think that you should be allowed to say any horrible, moronic falsehood you want (i.e. not accept homosexuality) and the people you are telling vile lies about should simply accept it? you are the very picture of am entitled. hateful bigot.

            What makes you think you idiotic waste of oxygen, that your religious beliefs allow you to discriminate? What a worthless, filthy thing you are.

            There is nothing good about who you are or what you believe. I wash there was a hell, as your childish beliefs say, so you could rot in it.

          • Natalie

            You mad bro?

            Many homosexuals also have to demonize their opponents and throw out emotionally driven rhetoric in a pathetic attempt to make their opponents feel sorry for telling them the truth.

            Nice try.

          • Mike

            No. I detest trash like you. Your misplaced, arrogant assumption of morality while you insult, degrade, and support laws to discriminate are signs that you have no morals, no character, and no worth as a human being.

            Your idiotic adherence to your hateful religion is a clear indication of your sheep-like idiocy.

            You are worthless scum.

          • Natalie

            Still doesn’t change that homosexuality is sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.

            Even if you kill me, it will not change what God ordained. You lose. Time to repent.

          • imnotgay2008

            Natalie, in no possible way are gays losing. They are winning in ALL respects: legislation, the courts, the court of public opinion, everywhere. YOU are the one that’s losing. btw, an increasing number of theologians and biblical scholars now believe that Jesus Christ himself was gay!

          • Natalie

            Lo and behold, these are the last and evil days. The Word says-4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer (1 Timothy 4).

            And also- Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

            What’s happening now is simply prophecy coming to pass. In short, the evil will perish, especially if they do not repent. So stay tuned.

          • Mike

            You christian fools have been declaring the last days pretty consistently for two thousand years now. Yet here we are and here we shall stay. What a fool you are.

          • Natalie

            The Word said that in the last days scoffers will come asking and saying just as you are.

            Prophetic.

          • Mike

            You are completely ignorant of the history of your own religion, aren’t you? Every generation of christians gave believed they were in the last days. It’s hard to imagine a group of people so disgusting and contemptible that they long for the end of the world so they get to spend eternity pointing and laughing at all the people who were mean to them. But there you are.

          • Natalie

            But not every Christian actually read their bibles right.

            Well, judging by your behavior towards me, God will laugh at you for sure.

            The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming (Psalm 37:13).

            If you want to come off as an ambassador for your friends, try coming off as more peaceful instead of placing your foot in your mouth.

          • Mike

            Oh, and a barely literate backwards thing like you are the one to determine what the proper interpretation is? I was unaware you were a person of such standing in your silly cult.

            If you want to come off as a decent human being, stop lying about how horrible gay people and admit your own transgressions. You are just coming off as the bigot and hypocrite you are.

          • Natalie

            Hiding behind a computer monitor, and calling a woman all sorts of dirty names. The effeminate homosexuals are already a mockery towards women, but a man who spends his day and time insulting women is just as worst.

            Must be fun living in a mouse hole.

          • Mike

            You think I am hiding from you? You think I wouldn’t say the exact same thing to your face? Hah!

            You think you deserve some sort of special treatment because you’re a woman? What a fool. Do you think that your perverted opinion of masculinity should be listened to? Clown.

            It must really suck living in the demon haunted world of your imagination.

          • imnotgay2008

            yaaaaaaaawn. Honey, no one takes the Wholly babble seriously any more…this is the 21st century, babe!

          • Natalie

            Then why are you lgbts foaming at the mouth whenever the Word is spoken?

            Hurt much.

          • Mike

            It still doesn’t change that sin doesn’t exist because it is a transgression against your god. There is not now and never has any evidence for your god, only a fool believes in him/her/it.

            I do know that one of the draws of the christian lie is this foolish idea of eternal life. you are so cowardly that you can’t face the fact that one day you will die and simply not exist.

            I don’t want to kill you. I am a better person then you are and thus don’t want to kill anyone. You are living the life of a mindless sheep, blinded to the wonders around you and choosing instead to live in a demon haunted world. it is you that loose, in ever imaginable way.

          • Natalie

            You think that sin doesn’t exist? I guess that explains why you hate me with such hatred.

            You’re a better person you say, yet you have wasted days calling me every dirty name you can think of—because that’s what better people do to ladies. lol Sir, this is exactly why you NEED the Lord in your life, but I can see that you dismiss that He is real, not that your disbelief will make God go away.

            3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged (Romans 3).

            What has made you so bitter like this?

          • Mike

            I know sin doesn’t exist you disgusting hag. I hate you because you deserve it. You hate homosexuals because your stupid mythology tells you to. You support the denial of equal protection under the law to Americans because you don’t like them. What on Earth makes you think you deserve anything but the hatred and opposition of decent people everywhere? You start the circle of hate and then expect other to just accept your vileness and lies because you are a christian? You think you are a good person and thus gay people and decent human beings who support them should say “Well, this hateful bigot deserve to be treated well in spite of her virulent hatred and lack of morals. We should do that!” What a clown you are.

            You still quote the bible as if it meant anything. For once in your worthless life, think for yourself. For instance, you say that if you hate then you have committed murder. Then you have millions of counts of murder on your filthy little head due to your hatred of homosexuals, you foul hypocrite.

            You actually have the ignorant gall to say that christians don’t want to hurt homosexuals. You contemptible pile of filth, how can you be so disgusting? Telling them that they shouldn’t marry who they wish because your lying, hateful book says so is hurting them. Trying to refuse them service in stores in hurting them. Supporting the murderous laws in other countries directly killing, imprisoning, and harming gay people is hurting them. Hiding your head in the sand and denying the violence directed towards gay people is hurting them.

            You are the worst that humanity has to offer with the slight exception that you are too much of a coward to act on your hate. You know as well as I do (but aren’t honest enough to admit it) that you would gladly kill every gay person in the world.

          • Natalie

            Sin doesn’t exist, but you hate me. So, it’s ok for you to hate because you don’t believe in God. Yet you accuse me of hatred, which I am not allowed to do. Atheists.. lol

            You’re so sad, it’s almost unbelievable. Do you need a hug?

          • Mike

            Listen, simpleton. I will spell it out, hopefully in words you can understand.

            You hate gay people. I became aware of your filthy little existence when you came on here to crow about your hatred and how good you are compared to them. You are of no moral character. You are a mindless follower and that is the most dangerous kind of person their is.

            When I corrected you, rather then taking education from your better, your stubbornly maintained your evil, false beliefs.

            What do you deserve other them the hatred of decent human beings?

          • Natalie

            I hate sexual perversion, and I hate how they are being lied to. Even the CDC confirms the multiple sexual issues in the lgbt community, but I guess they are bigots, too.

            You, on the other hand, love to lie to homosexuals. You want to see them all fall off a cliff in the name of love, tolerance and equality…which is far from them anyway.

            You are the one who hates them. Everything you said about me is a reflection of the hatred in your own heart. Pathetic. You need real love. Being as an atheist sure is lonely.

          • Mike

            Incorrect. You tell the typical christian lie that you hate the sin but love the sinner. That is so painfully stupid it actually causes me pain to type it. You hate gay people. At least own it.

            Stop getting your information about the opinions of science and medicine on homosexuality from religious sources. They are as ignorant as you are.

          • Natalie

            And you have no evidence for your claims. You just have to sound REALLY mad to make people feel sorry for you.

          • Mike

            Incorrect, fool. All of my views are either well evidenced or do not need evidence. The fact that you are incapable of understanding that is your problem.

          • Natalie

            Hahaha!

          • Mike

            I have given you the opportunity to respond substantively elsewhere in these comments. You have failed to do so, rather choosing to act like a deficient child and rather then support your arguments just post tripe like this.

            You are beneath contempt.

          • Natalie

            Weren’t you the one throwing a fit, cursing and swearing like a baby with a full diaper since you met me?

            lol

          • Mike

            Yes, I have been treating you like the worthless piece of subhuman slime that you are. I have not been allowing you to tell you lies without pointing them out. I have been open and honest about the fact that you are so deficient a human being that you aren’t good enough to lick the dirt off the bottom of a drag queen’s shoes.

            I gave you a chance to respond like an adult, you stupid waste of life, but you have been far too frightened to apply reason to your ugly lies and false beliefs. you know they wull fail. You are a cowardly Christian who knows what you believe in is false, you’re just too childish to pull your head out from under the covers and see that. You are whipped dog, yapping away at your betters with your tail between your legs. Typical lying, cowardly, foolish, Christian.

          • Natalie

            Open and honest?

            More like psychotic and hateful. Give up, Mike. You’re pathetic.

            You said that you have been treating me as worthless, yet you’re upset at why I refuse to take you seriously. Yeah, I don’t think respect works that way.

            Get a clue. You can’t demand that I respect you or even listen to you, while you literally hate me.

            So…carry on with your angry rants. I have a life away from this computer.

          • Natalie

            When your lgbt friends try to force their lives on others, they are out of line, you cry baby.

            They are forcing Christians to step on their faith. Now would it be fair if the kkk forced blacks to bake cakes for their cross burning ceremonies, complete with a toy of a black man being lynched?

            Would you think that as fair? Just because you don’t believe in God doesn’t mean that everybody else has to do the same. Homosexuals know that Christians do not support their ways, and we shouldn’t be forced to step on our faith.

            Now go curse up a storm again, you wimp. That’s all the argument you have, and it aint worth nothing. Hiding in your mom’s basement must be fun because you’re too cowardly to confront real saints.

          • Mike

            You are simply so stupid and entitled that you think your bigotry allows you it discriminate against homosexuals.

            There is no comparison between torture and murder, you disgusting thing, which are illegal and repugnant and a wedding, which is legal and morally upright.

            Christians need to know that just because they are fools they don’t get to have laws forcing gay people to not get married or to all hateful christians to not serve them in stores. When will stupid christians learn that their “faith” doesn’t allow them to break the law?

            My mom’s basement? Really? That’s what your going with? OK, how about you get back to your $5.00 flat-backing business with your mother. I hear there’s a good line of customers waiting in your usual dirty ally.

            You make utterly unfounded insults towards me, I do the same to you.

          • Natalie

            Your insults are yesterday ago. You have zero arguments. Go and rant on, kid.

          • Mike

            I have given you your chance to reply substantively. now get to your homework, you silly little girl.

          • Natalie

            No. You just do what you do best—throw out insults and then expect people to respect you.

            You’re not making your ‘love, peace, and tolerant’ friends look good by the way. Go outside and get some sunlight.

  • Mike

    That website is a Christian conservative one and thus is incapable of honest, reasonable discussion. Maggie Gallagher posts there. If that isn’t enough to let you know it is of no worth…
    Wait. Never mind. You’re a Christian. You are incapable of judging of a source is of any worth.

  • whatdidhesay

    Linda Harvey is a deranged possessed psychopath, so naturally she has found a home on this site.

    • Natalie

      Funny…screaming, kicking and foaming at the mouth is exactly what the homosexuals do when their sins are exposed. When the truth has you cornered, the hate flag is all you got…that, and name calling.

      Way to expose yourself.

      • Mike

        There is no such thing as sin, you vapid waste. “Sin” is a transgression against your god and your god doesn’t exist. How pathetically ignorant and filled with foul hatred you are.

        • Natalie

          So then what is the trangression that you’re doing to me?

          • Mike

            I am not transgressing against you. You are transgressing against morality and common sense and I am seeing to it that you at least are told the truth, even of you are too dumb to accept it.

      • John Parvin

        Screaming, kicking, and foaming at the mouth is also what people do when they are being systematically humiliated, harassed, imprisoned, and murdered. Maybe it’s more than just a coincidence that homosexuals and oppressed people share this behavior…

        • Natalie

          Because they have to act like over the top drama queens so that people can believe their lies.

          • Mike

            Ok, you ignorant cow, lets pass a law saying you don’t get to marry who you want or that you can be denied service in public facilities. Now, how about you just sit there and quietly take it?

          • Natalie

            So…you think that people should be able to marry who they want to…even if that person is biologically the same sex, and can’t couple.

            And what do you mean by public facilities?

          • Mike

            Of course people can marry who are of the same gender. That fact is made clear (at least to people that aren’t backwards bigoted fools) by the fact that in many parts of America and the world, homosexuals are married. Why are you so concerned with what kind of sex they are having? Here’s a tip you infant… it’s none of your business. Please don’t start that idiotic stuff about marriage being about procreation. if it were, the elderly would not be allowed to marry.

            What do I mean by public facilities? Are you completely daft? I mean stores and businesses. Facilities that serve the public. You bigots are pushing in several states to make it legal to refuse service to gay people. Read a newspaper you ignorant lout.

          • Natalie

            How?

            That’s because your homo friends want to FORCE people to step on their religion. And your confused trans people want to make restrooms open to everybody. So much for women rights.

          • Mike

            How? What have I not made simple enough for your backwards, worthless mind to grasp. I can only lower myself so far.

            Until scum like you learn that people existing that you don’t like is none of you business, you hateful, bigoted pile of excrement you will never be a human being of any value whatsoever.

            You speak about6 women’s rights? You have the gall to try and deny the rights of homosexuals for no reason other then that you don’t like then and then you talk about rights? You don’t know what the word means. As for the bathroom thing, get over yourself. No one, believe me no one is trying to get in there to see you, you ugly, disgusting thing. Believe me, no ne wants to see you taking a peepee. Ignorant cow.

      • whatdidhesay

        Big fat yawn. “Their sins are exposed.” This is nothing compared to the sins of radical extremist religious fanatics who do everything but encourage the harassment and murder of gay people because of their endless bigotry. Nice try.

        • Natalie

          Like…?

        • Sam Spade

          Except 56% of “religious fanatics” in the USA are not dying from HIV/AIDS, anal cancer or other homosexual-related diseases.

    • imnotgay2008

      A deranged possessed psychopath? That would explain her profile pic! lol

  • Mike

    I know what I am. I know that I am smarter then you because I have listened to you prate on and push your moronic opinions as if the had any value. A good example is you vapid lie about homosexuality being dangerous. that is simply false yet you believe it wholeheartedly. that makes you an idiot and a bigot and beneath me intellectually and morally.

    I know you. I am very familiar with your kind of liar for jeeeeezus. You claim that you served in the military, an obvious lie due to your stupidity and lack of character, and thus are a paragon of patriotism and then you deny the principles of freedom, liberty and equal protection under the law that real Americans hold dear. You hate what America really stands for so why don’t you get out and stop dragging the rest of us down to your level. Start your foolish little theocracy so we can laugh as it fails.

    You call me a “faggot”. You are clearly one of those backwards, hapless little closet cases who thinks that is an insult. Ha! You aren’t good enough to lick the dirt off of a homosexuals boot.

    I am a role model. Being in every way a better person then you, that is easy for me. The fact that you are jealous of me and my superiority is irrelevant.

    Of course you flagged mu posts. You are a fool and a coward and you are afraid of the truth. What a pitiful child you are, limping along and trying to ape real adults and lacking the ability to do so.

  • Natalie

    Keep the articles coming! The homoactivists are crowding this site because they have to try to silence the truth of their lives.

    Just keep exposing the truth. Hopefully some will come to realize the truth and be saved in the end by The Lord Jesus Christ.

    • imnotgay2008

      I’m here to expose you, Natalie, as a self-loathing lesbian.

      • Natalie

        you meant you’re here to troll me.

    • Mike

      You are lying, contemptible trash. I have explained to you why you are wrong yet you are still spouting the same ignorant, hateful lies. there is no excuse for your kind of hateful behavior. I wish that you ignorant fantasy of hell were real so you could rot in it.

      • Natalie

        No, you just explained how many times you can insult me. That’s not a rebuttal, you genius.

        • Mike

          A rebuttal? Why do you think you deserve a rebuttal? You didn’t say anything worth replying to. You do constantly deserve to know what a vile human being you are, so I do that.

          • Natalie

            Because maybe a rebuttal would help you sound less like a drunk psycho?

          • Mike

            Here is your rebuttal, you moron. Show proof that your god exists.

            You have to provide actual evidence. Not anything from the Bible because that is circular argument. Nothing from your subjective experience because that is of no value. These are the rules of logic, not mine. if you can’t abide by them, you have already failed.

            So step up you pathetic idiot. Let’s see if you can do what every foolish apologist has failed at in 2000 years… actually show a reason to believe in your hateful religion.

            You’ll fail, of course. The reason you will is because there is no evidence for your gods existence and thus only a fool will believe in him.

          • Natalie

            Well, you’re the one who claims that God is not real, and you seem more sure than how I believe he IS real.

            So, how do you know?

            And why is it that I can’t use the Bible? Are you afraid of it?

          • Mike

            A positive claim is what you are making. You say “God exists.” I challenge you by saying, “No, he doesn’t.” It is incumbent upon you to provide support for your positive claim. Google “Russell’s Teapot” for a good explanation.

            Now, why can you not use the bible? That’s simple. The factualness of the Bible is established by claiming it is the word of god. The question is whether god exists. Using the bible in that context is called assuming the antecedent or more commonly circular argument.

            I will take you seriously once. If you can’t do some reading on your own and understand the concepts I am presenting to you, then you will have confirmed everything I have said about you.

          • Mike

            Come on, Natalie. Answer like an adult, if you can.

          • Mike

            I’m still waiting. You whining, moronic child, you asked for a substantive argument and I have given you one. Where are you, coward?

          • Mike

            Come on Natalie, you pathetic waste of life. I am giving you a chance to answer in a real way below. Lets see you do it, or will you react like the typical Christian and run off like the cowardly whipped dog you are?

          • Natalie

            Um…didn’t I ask you questions first, that you never answered?

            Are you on medication?

          • Mike

            No. You didn’t, you moronic child, at least none that I didn’t answer below. I suppose you are simply just too stupid to offer a real defense on your beliefs.

            What is it like to know that your beliefs are as unreasonable as a child’s belief in Santa? What is it like to go through life every day knowing that your core beliefs are indefensible and all those people out there (who you know in your innermost heart are better, wider people) pity you?

            I know what my ideas and thoughts about the world are. Note that I do not say “beliefs”. I can defend each and every one with science or logic or both (not that you would understand any of it, fool). You are a pathetic, frightened child in a world you fear and won’t let yourself see as it is.

  • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

    Mike, you used the f-bomb here. Last warning: if you use unacceptable words again, I will blacklist you.

    • Mike

      Again, you are a contemptible child who fears honest words. Again, you are perfectly accommodating to the pure hate and threatening manner of the christians here. Again, you are more concerned with allowing hate and evil and more concerned with a word you don’t like condemning hatred and evil.

      You are pathetic and I am done with you, you disgusting coward. There is nothing good about who you are or what you believe.

    • Mike

      I am still curious to hear why it is fine with you for this Sam person to tell a blatant, proven lie and then imply and that is OK with you, you hateful hypocrite. I want to know why you are so pitifully moronic that you think it is fine with you to voice evil, hateful, destructive opinions that are proven lies yet using homest language in opposition to the hateful, bigoted evil of christian right wing zealots isn’t?

    • Mike

      I am still waiting to hear why it is acceptable to you, you coward, to voice evil intent and ill-will but using profanity in renouncing that evil isn’t.

      • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

        Evil is in the eye of the beholder; profanity is in black and white. It’s very simple, Mike. Follow the rules.

        • Mike

          So I suppose bald-face lying and claiming that homosexuals are looking to molest children when science

          shows that is a lie but saying h-e-double hockey sticks to denigrate the lie is not. Hypocrite.

          The pure lies told here by christians are evil, but that’s OK with you. The virulent hatred displayed by christians is OK. Bad, hateful ideas are OK but language, which is nuetral in character isn’t. Shame on you.

        • Mike

          Again you fail to put up one of my posts because you don’t like the content. At long last, sir, do you have any decency?

          I am surprised to hear that you are a moral relativist. I guess, since the bible supports all the following that you do too: Rape, Murder, Slavery, allowing a mob to rape you daughters, turning women to pillars of salt for looking in the wrong direction, the list goes on.

          You have no moral sense and leaning on the bible and it’s evil makes you think you do. You, of all people, are unqualified to judge morality. I know thinking is all hard and stuff but give it a try and see if you can suss out why saying a given word is morally neutral while advocating the ideas of discrimination and bigotry are wrong.

          P.s. Don’t start your ignorance about how the Bible doesn’t mean what it says. That;s is getting very old.

        • Mike

          I have decided to give you another chance. Explain why it is acceptable to you to voice evil,. hateful, threatening and politically charged lies on here but pro9fanityy used in reproaching that evil is not.

          Don’t try that “homosexuality is evil” lie. Everyone but you scum know that isn’t true. It6;sn’t a matter of opinion. You are simply wrong.

          • http://BarbWire.com/ Brian Fitzpatrick

            Mike, you may find some of my statements evil, hateful, threatening and so forth, and you’re welcome to challenge them, disprove them if you can, and even call me names if that’s the best you can do, as long as you moderate your vocabulary. Your curses are out of line, and specifically in violation of the site’s rules. I think you’ll find that if you are more respectful to other people, they will be more respectful with you.

          • Mike

            You are a hidebound fool who accepts violent, hateful sentiments with a whole heart yet is afraid of using accurate language in redressing them. you are a hateful coward.

            My profanity is not “out of line”. You are arrogant trash for thinking it is and a worthless fool for enforcing it. You don’t like it so you choose to force your choice on everyone. It is you that are out of line. You just have the authority to enforce your immorality and in the typically idiotic christian way that makes you think you are right or in a position to make moral judgements.

            It’s laughable that you think reason, logic or fact will persuade any of you buffoons. I gave you a chance to make an argument, I even gave you hints, but you were still too much of a coward to try and too much of a fool to learn from someone better informed and educated then you.

            Finally, you have the gall to talk about respect. The christian scum here say the most vile and insulting things they can (without using those words you so childishly fear) and then they expect to be treated with respect? That is the height of arrogance and a sense of entitlement. “I will insult you as badly as i can but you need to be polite to me.”

  • imnotgay2008

    I happen to know why Natalie is foaming at the mouth, using the Bible as a weapon, and living a hate-filled life. She admitted to me a while back that she licked carpet and liked it. A lot. She is living a life of denial. So please, PLEASE be gentle with her. She knows not what she does.

    • Natalie

      You gotta do better than this.

      • imnotgay2008

        who are you to judge?

        meow!!!

      • Mike

        You’re a closeted homosexual? That’s a shame but it doesn’t excuse the virulent hatred you use to hide what you are.

  • imnotgay2008

    Like this if you think Natalie and me would make an attractive couple!

    meow!!!

  • imnotgay2008

    When I come to these sites with false advertisements (Ellen dumped from Cover Girl!, new food makes you lose weight!), misspellings, poorly written articles and user comments that are from the Middle Ages, I feel like I am entering the deepest, darkest corners of the Internet. Anyone else feel the same?

  • marlene

    likewise

  • Jessica

    Mark Regeneurs and his work have been completely debunked. And children are molested far more, per capita, by heteros. Only two of the numerous fallacies that Linda Harvey spouts here.

    When you have to lie about people to get others to take away their rights then you know you have a losing argument and your dealing the devil’s hand.

  • Natalie

    Sounds like the guy is homosexual himself. And how did you just conclude that this guy is right wing, especially since a lot of homosexuals are more dangerous with each other?

    • whatdidhesay

      Dangerous with each other? Like black people?

      • Natalie

        Pretty much. Doesn’t change the reality of the crimes that homosexuals commit to each other.

        • Mike

          What a hateful little waste of life you are. Crimes? You are a misguided child.

          What has led you into such a bitter, unending chain of lies? What has led you to throw your life away as a christian zealot?

          • Natalie

            Mike, you’re boring now.

            Time to change your tune.

          • Mike

            You are such a child. Again you talk about this god of yours when there is no reason to believe in him/her/it.

            It is amazing how often you awkwardly buffoonish liars try this claim. “I used to be X but JEEEZZZUSSSS saved me.” No one believes you..

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