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What the ‘Day of Silence’ is Costing American Youth

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Where are the hearts of the fathers as children are deceived?

“This is a test. This is only a test. Had this been a real child-endangering emergency, where children are taught to hate Christians, embrace sodomy and praise sexual anarchy, you would be alerted through the Emergency Broadcast System for Responsible Parents. Then you could act to save your kids!”

And of course, America’s conservative parents would do that…wouldn’t they?

Well, these atrocities are already happening, perhaps indeed as a test from our Creator, and it looks like a grade of “F” looms as a strong possibility. What’s it going to take for the grown-ups in our nation to draw a line in the sand about child corruption?

Recent developments should have every Mom and Dad on high alert. Not only are openly homosexual boys are now welcomed into the Boy Scouts of America and “gay” adult men will probably soon be embraced as troop leaders, but we just observed another year of one staged homosexual school event after another. And the school term is not over yet.

Only the most obtuse will miss what homosexual advocates are doing: aggressively defying all the usual child protection boundaries and daring parents to stop them.

The takeover of youth culture in schools is led by advocate teachers, principals and outside allies who claim “LGBTQ” identities are churning within the hearts of closeted adolescents. “Please understand my reason for not speaking today,“ reads the placard of student participants in the “Day of Silence,“ a supposedly student-led annual event in April (held on April 11 this year) which protests the silencing and bullying of “LGBT” people. Thousands of students nationwide now participate, claims the event sponsor, the radical child-targeting group GLSEN (the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network).

But these claims strain credulity. It’s not “student-led,” but driven by adults manipulating kids to become cheerleaders for the homosexual cause. Kids are impressionable and can be misled through persistent indoctrination. And the “Day of Silence” is not about bullying, which school officials can punish without endorsing these lifestyles. No, it’s about victim-posturing, propaganda and the willingness of schools to go along with the end result, which is the endorsement of perversion.

The “Day of Silence” also tramples on the rights of others. It’s the “right” of some boys to use the girl’s restroom, it’s fine to treat Christian students like outcasts, and homosexual behavior is a “civil right” despite its high-risk nature. In other words, lies are permissible for the greater good of “social justice.”

It’s astonishing how much anti-Christian, anti-morality bullying can be justified in the name of “preventing bullying.” Just talk to any student or teacher who dares to challenge the “Day of Silence” or any of the other pro-“gay” events now held in schools, like “Ally Week“ and “Spirit Day” , both held in October, and Harvey Milk Day (May 22 in California). “No Name-Calling Week” in January is another effort by GLSEN to capture the “anti-bullying” platform, but if it weren’t for the need to promote homosexuality, GLSEN would have no interest in the bullying problem.

And ”no name-calling”? Really? What conservative Christian has GLSEN ever defended? No, respect is missing unless you toe the line and embrace the deviance.

And then there are the off-campus “gay” events promoted at school to students, like the jaw-dropping “Prideworks” held each year in Westchester County, NY, sponsored by GLSEN and PFLAG ( Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays). Workshops for students as young as middle school (some arriving on school busses) have included “Bisexuality Explored,” “Drag U,” “Gender May Vary,” and “What is Queer?”

What other group promoting child corruption has access to youth in this way?

The anti-bullying fervor is deployed to launch pro-homosexual programs in schools that convey false ideas, like “gay” is always good; it’s an inborn identity; it’s a civil right like race; there’s no elevated health risk compared to heterosexuality; the “religious right” hates all homosexuals; their beliefs cause bullying; and those who object to any of this want “gay” kids to commit suicide.

It’s more than ironic when homosexuals claim to be oppressed in today’s America where people are losing jobs, being sued, closing businesses, paying fines and enduring death threats as a result of the actions of this “silenced” minority.

The mask is off and school administrators and teachers openly push students as young as sixth grade toward the “Day of Silence” and its anything-but-silent homosexual advocacy. Here’s the sympathetic newspaper account of the April 2014 event at one Long Island middle school:

“It’s about 2:10 p.m. and scores of middle school students gather in silence in the Jericho Middle School library. ‘Don’t talk! Don’t talk until after the scream,’ teacher Elisa Waters reminds the sixth-, seventh- and eighth-graders as they file in and form a circle. Then, on the command of Waters – and in the presence of the school principal – the kids let out a raucous scream that goes on and on. The cacophonous outburst marks the grand finale of what for these kids was a voluntary day of silence – more than 130 of Jericho’s 650-plus sixth-, seventh- and eighth-graders vowed not to talk at all during the school day on Wednesday. The nationwide Day of Silence is a way students across the country show support for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people who sometimes feel they don’t have a voice.”

Homosexuals don’t have a voice? What rock are these people living under? The Pink Mafia is bulldozing not just schools, but workplaces and churches, while choking off the truth in the mainstream media.

But school propaganda like the Day of Silence isn’t happening without some push-back. There’s the Day of Silence Walk-out Coalition, with a slate of conservative groups as members, urging parents to keep kids home on the designated day in April.

In Washington State, two parents told a local paper they kept their middle school daughters home after the students were pressured at school to participate in the Day of Silence. Tellingly, the parents preferred to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation against their children. Who exactly is being “silenced” here?

In Oregon, one dad was concerned about a school- wide anti-bullying assembly planned for the same day as the Day of Silence, and links to the group GLSEN were included in an email sent to parents, implying endorsement of its agenda. The dad wanted the links removed, but the principal refused. And this was, again, in a middle school. GLSEN is slowly achieving its goal to penetrate all-age schools, kindergarten through grade 12, with a totally pro-“gay” message.

If the idea of eight- year- olds identified as “gay” horrifies you, you’ll soon be told the problem is with you, not such programs. Where is George Orwell when we need him?

And several students at an Oregon high school wore T-shirts to school on the 2014 Day of Silence saying “Gay Day is Not OK.” There were reports that an administrator asked them to turn the shirts inside out.

The sexual anarchists are surprisingly successful at normalizing gender-bending in U.S. schools as well. Those who expected sex change to be that “bridge too far” are sadly disappointed as many school communities take the bizarre in stride. Girls are elected homecoming kings, and the bathroom environment is no longer a place of privacy. At Yosemite High School in California, a 20- year veteran male science teacher announced plans to return from spring break as a woman. His students are offered counseling to deal with the changes as Gary Sconce transforms into Karen Scot.

If any of this seems outrageous to you and you would like to preserve your right to object without being called a bigoted hatemonger, it’s time to speak up. Better yet, get your kids out of these schools.

They only have one childhood, and brainwashing lasts a long time.

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  • peteykins

    I’m sorry the tolerant children are frightening you.

    • thisoldspouse

      “tolerance” = totalitarianism

      Some people speak your language.

      • peteykins

        I love you.

        • thisoldspouse

          Back at ya, Mr. Sandusky.

          • peteykins

            That’s not my name. Why are you calling me that?

          • thisoldspouse

            Oops, sorry. Honest mistake.

          • peteykins

            I don’t get it. Could you explain that one?

          • thisoldspouse

            Really, I’m sorry. I was being unnecessarily snarky. Forgive me.

          • sagecreek

            I do not forgive you, because you love doing this. You are not much of a Christian.

          • thisoldspouse

            You’re not involved. Bug off.

          • sagecreek

            I am involved. I want you to say right here in public that you are in favor of bullying gay youngsters.

            And if you’re not, then say that.

          • thisoldspouse

            The ultimate bullies are the homofascists. Proven.

          • peteykins

            Of course I forgive you.

          • sagecreek

            God these people are just awful And they call themselves Christians?

          • peteykins

            Well, just as the supporters of this site assume I’m gay, even though I’ve never said I am or am not, I’ve never heard, for instance, thisoldspouse describe himself as Christian, so I’m not going to assume he is.

            Is there such a thing as an “Angertarian”? Is that a religion?

          • sagecreek

            They always assume I’m gay, too. Which is hilarious.

          • youngoldbones .

            hahah good one.

    • youngoldbones .

      Yeah, children are by definition ignorant of too many aspects of a topic for we adults to follow their naiveté into oblivion.

    • James

      And by “tolerant,” you of course mean oppressing and attacking anyone who dares to disagree with you.

      • ReidDA

        didn’t national organization for marriage, FRC, OMM all do the same thing then? See Starbucks, General Mills, Honey Maid, Home Depot etc boycotts.

      • peteykins

        I’m so sorry you’re so oppressed. Do you need a hug?

        • youngoldbones .

          You will need one, when one day you realize what side you’re fighting for.

          • peteykins

            Oooh, could you elaborate on that, please?

          • youngoldbones .

            When you stand before Jesus Christ and realize you were a pawn in Satan’s corruption of God’s design from the beginning.

            At that time you will have to answer for those children you helped lead into sin.

            “But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck.”

          • peteykins

            Oh. Have I been helping lead “little ones” into sin? In what way? I generally avoid contact with children (just not that into them, honestly).

          • youngoldbones .

            If you support the efforts of the gay advocates for marriage, then you have a hand in what evil comes from its corrupting influence on children.

          • peteykins

            Actually, I’m a little embarrassed to admit that I’ve never raised a finger to either support or condemn gay marriage. Just not that into it, honestly!

            Also: psssst, you’re supposed to say “homosexual,” not “gay.”

          • QuadGMoto

            That must be why you’re here raising your fingers (to type) in support of same-sex marriage!

          • youngoldbones .

            Well said.

          • sagecreek

            There is no corrupting influence on children. And would you care to talk about all the Catholic priests who abused young boys? They were GOOD CHRISTIANS.

          • youngoldbones .

            They were homosexuals who entered into the priesthood to hide their disinterest in women. Everyone knows that, it’s just apolitical to say so.

            As it turns out, even Matthew Shepard had sexually molested 2 eight year old boys. Pederasty is endemic to the homosexual subculture.

          • sagecreek

            Wow. ARe you going to get a shock when you actually meet Jesus. If you do. Which I doubt.

          • youngoldbones .

            everyone stands before Jesus one day, didn’t you know that?

            2 Corinthians 5:10

            For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each
            of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body,
            whether good or bad.

  • junkmailbin

    choice not genetics

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      When did you choose to be straight? What age? Was it a tough decision?

      • MC

        We don’t choose to be straight, that’s already dictated by nature to procreate and advance the human species. Homosexuality does nothing to advance the human species. Did you take biology 101?

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          You didn’t choose to be straight and I didn’t choose to be gay. I’m glad you agree.

          • MC

            Um, let me try again for you. If we are hard wired to procreate by nature, then homosexuality is a choice. Because homosexuality serves no purpose in the advancement of the human race, therefore homosexuality is a flaw. That is biology 101.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            God gave sex to man for two purposes: to reproduce and for pleasure. I’m sure you will agree. To say that the purpose of sex is only reproduction is a falsity because the vast number of heterosexuals who have sex do not do so with the goal of having children. Biological reproduction does require a male and female, but it does not require them to have sex. Artificial insemination proved that. Many same-sex couples and sterile heterosexual couples fulfill God’s “calling if you will” by this means. And that is Biology 101.

          • MC

            Artificial insemination is irrelevant to the argument because it wasn’t around from the beginning of time. It was made for couples who had a hard time conceiving a child. And yes, sex is pleasure and we reproduce, if it wasn’t pleasurable then humans wouldn’t do it. So, what you are describing when it comes to artificial insemination, is not biology because it is not natural, a test tube baby does not happen in nature. A person who decides not to have children or cannot due to a medical condition is not the norm in nature.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            So, God’s only purpose in marriage is sexual reproduction? Wow. Just wow. Even the hard-core Bible illiterate don’t even use that argument anymore.

          • MC

            We weren’t talking about God were we? My argument is on a scientific level. But since you brought it up, do you really think that God’s purpose for marriage was for humans to have sex with the same sex considering he already laid down the law on that, and we know that God’s moral law does not change? And Jesus spoke and said, “He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Jesus is restating this is what he made marriage for, for man and woman, no other union. Because Jesus knows what’s best for us. We also know that Jesus promised to send us the helper (the Holy Spirit) to teach us. So Paul writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised to send us, also teaches us that homosexual acts are an abomination to God. And if a homosexual is committing homosexual acts, and in a homosexual relationship, then they are living in perpetual sin.

          • shepetgene

            Wait, so you are arguing with science? I’m confused because your earlier comment seemed pretty dismissive of science. You like science when your cursory understanding of it supports your wrong-headed claims but you eschew and dismiss it when it doesn’t.

          • MC

            When did I argue against science?

          • shepetgene

            “I’m not interested in what the animal kingdom does or doesn’t do, animals don’t have morals. Animals eat their young, should we do that too because they do it? Animals and humans differ in a lot of ways, they are hard wired differently than humans. And an animal or a human that chooses not to procreate is not the norm, it also doesn’t prove homosexuality.”

            Your argument is that it cannot further society to not procreate. My argument is that there are multiple examples in the animal kingdom of how choosing not to procreate is beneficial to the overall fitness of a species and a society. You dismiss any comparison to the animal kingdom. You’re using a very basic understanding of biology to argue one point and then dismissing anything that may use higher-level biology to challenge your rudimentary understanding.

          • MC

            Wrong! Some animals showing homosexual behavior some of the time for dominance has nothing to do with homosexuality being normal in human beings. Animals don’t have morals nor do they know the difference between right and wrong. No scientist worth his salt would say, “Some animals show homosexual behavior sometimes so it proves it must be right for humans”. Why don’t you show why you think that homosexual behavior that affects a small minority of humans is normal?

          • shepetgene

            I didn’t make the argument you put in quotes there. You said there is no benefit to society without procreation and said “biology 101.” I showed you that there can and are in many instances benefits to society without procreation when a small portion of society does not procreate. I never said “animals engage in homosexuality so it is normal for humans to do that.” And I never cited displays of dominance. It seems like you are putting words in my mouth, maybe debating points from people in the past who have confronted your weak scientific claims.

            You are right. A species that does not procreate does die out. That’s why I referred specifically to instances where a small portion of society is non-procreating. Much like – hold up! – our society. We’re not in danger of dying out. There is no “homosexual agenda gearing for everyone to be gay.” Making a scientific argument that homosexuality is anathema to the biological imperative while only a small fraction of society engages in same-sex behavior is factually bankrupt. Especially given the context where other animal social hierarchies have seen survival benefit from a small fraction of society remaining without biologic children.

            I guess what I’m trying to say is, don’t use science to back a religiously-based claim. Moreover, avoid this if you don’t have the scientific background to even fake this claim well.

          • MC

            Again, you haven’t shown scientific evidence of how homosexuality benefits the human race. The human race does not need homosexuality to survive. And I want you to show how homosexuality is natural. Also, show me scientific evidence that homosexuals are born that way.

          • shepetgene

            To date I don’t believe there has been a complex sociologic study looking at the benefit or lack thereof for homosexuality in the human race. My point to you is that there have been animal studies showing a societal benefit to non-procreating members – a counterpoint to your argument that there is no biological justification for a creature that doesn’t procreate.

            What do you mean by natural? Do you mean that there is a historical precedence for same-sex attraction? I think that is well proven. Do you mean that there are animals where a small majority of animals have same-sex attraction or live in same-sex pairs? I think that’s described. I would look more into this for you, but it seems given your earlier statement that “animals have no morals” and the implication we’re incomparable to anything in the animal world I’m assuming that would be a losing route with you.

            And I never said anything about being “born that way” – are you referring to Lady Gaga’s third album? I suppose it depends on what you mean. Do I think people are born with the genetic or epigenetic predisposition for homosexuality – probably. Do I think it takes some environmental exposure to trigger the event? Possibly. There’s really no great study that “proves” anything one way or the other. I do, however, note that authorities on the methods used to try and change or reorient people with same-sex attraction seem to find it harmful or at the very least useless. Regardless the process that leads to it, it seems for most people to be largely immutable.

          • MC

            Besides a few snide remarks on your earlier posts, I thank you for your honest answer.

          • shepetgene

            You’re welcome. Just to be clear, I’m not conceding some great point because I’m stating that science has not provided clear answers to your questions. Not having irrefutable scientific evidence for something does not make the opposite true, i.e. not having a clear scientific study showing epigenetic or genetic predisposition to homosexuality does not suddenly make it a “choice.” It just leaves the question unanswered.

          • MC

            No worries, I would never accuse you of conceding in an argument.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Just because you don’t understand the concept of exclusivity verses diversity does not make my argument flawed. If anything, it makes your response irrelevant.

          • MC

            Now you want to change your argument? Look, homosexual acts is an abomination according to Scripture, there’s no doubt about that. Anyone who doesn’t think so is just trying to hold on to their pet sin. So, if you think Scripture is irrelevant then that’s between you and God because that IS flawed. If you don’t think that Scripture condemns homosexual acts then you need to show proof. Bring your A game. 

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I’m not a copy/paste kind of guy, unlike some of the others here. There are basically six “clobber” verses in the Bible that appear to condemn homosexuality. I can give you numerous resources that explain the misinterpretation of these verses, but the easiest (and most current) resource I like to refer people to is Matthew Vines video. I will not post the link, because it flags the post. Just do a search on youtube for matthew vines homosexuality. It is very clear.

          • MC

            I know Mathew Vines work, I watched his hour and a half video on the subject before. He rehashes the same old long refuted arguments. The problem with Vines’s old arguments is he’s trying to wrench his belief “onto” Scripture that simply is not there. Here’s some good refutations of Matthew Vines dismal theology.

            http://126df895942e26f6b8a0-6b5d65e17b10129dda21364daca4e1f0.r8.cf1.rackcdn.com/GGC-Book.pdf

          • MC

            I know Mathew Vines work, I watched his hour and a half video on the subject before. He rehashes the same old long refuted arguments. The problem with Vines’s old arguments is he’s trying to wrench his belief “onto” Scripture that simply is not there.

            You can find great refutations of Matthew vines’ abysmal theology from Dr. James White, Dr. Albert Mohler, theologian Matt Slick, to name a few. I would suggest you do some honest, scholarly research.

          • MC

            I know Mathew Vines work, I watched his hour and a half video on the subject before. He rehashes the same old long refuted arguments. The problem with Vines’s old arguments is he’s trying to wrench his belief “onto” Scripture that simply is not there.

            You can find great refutations of Matthew vines’ abysmal theology from Dr. James White, Dr. Albert Mohler, theologian Matt Slick, to name a few. I would suggest you do some honest, scholarly research.

          • MC

            Now you want to change your argument? Look, homosexual acts is an abomination according to Scripture, there’s no doubt about that. Anyone who doesn’t think so is just trying to hold on to their pet sin. So, if you think Scriptureirrelevant then that’s between you and God because they thinking is flawed. If you don’t think that Scripture condemns homosexual acts then you need to show proof. Bring your A game. 

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I have many times. Look at my previous posts. God does not condemn homosexuality. Period.

          • MC

            I’m still waiting for you to prove your assertion that God does not condemn homosexuality.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I am not into copy/paste, so let me just refer you to the best source I have found that puts it in language you can understand. Google “Matthew Vines Homosexuality Video”. People like you used to justify slavery and separation of the races with misinterpreted scripture. Your hate is nothing new to God.

          • MC

            Matthew Vines has been refuted many times, and he’s not a theologian. So please show me your evidence of your assertion. And stop using your silly appeal to emotion fallacy and try and act like an adult.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Typical Pharisee answer: Only theologians can comprehend the Word of God. How egotistical of you. But I’ll humor you. Ask a specific question on scripture and I’ll answer.

          • MC

            Um, this is YOUR assertion, YOU need to show the evidence. SMH…

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Didn’t think you would. Anti-gay people don’t even know their own scripture. Give me a scripture you think shows homosexuality is wrong. C’mon, there’s only 6. Or have you even read the Bible?

          • MC

            Dude, this is your assertion so you have to make the case for it, I can’t do your homework for you. And for your information, I’ve being doing Biblical studies for 33 years, including academically so you can put away your appeal to emotion. I wan’t to see what evidence you have, I wan’t you to pull out all the old long since refuted arguments your going to rehash, like, “they meant those who practice homosexual acts in idolatry, or male on male rape”. Or “Paul didn’t know anything about orientation”. Come, bring it on. I’ll try and act like I haven’t heard it all before.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Most people who have been doing Biblical studies for 33 years don’t start sentences with, Dude. And they know the proper use of “your” vs “you’re”. I call BS. Now, get off Mom’s computer and get your homework done, junior.

            And if you know all the arguments and yet you still choose to disbelieve, I think the Bible says something about that.

          • MC

            Whether you believe me or not about me doing Biblical studies for 33 years is irrelevant, because you’re irrelevant to me. And where did I mistake “your” and “you’re”? I’m not calling you a liar, I just want to see it. The rest of your post just proves my point, you have no argument at all, you have no proof at all, and you are Biblically illiterate. On top of that, you constantly pull the appeal to emotion fallacy, special pleading fallacy, tu quoque fallacy, and your constant use of strawman arguments. Let me know when you can actually back up any of your claims. I won’t hold my breath. 

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Not one scripture condemns Gay Christianity. Not one scripture condemns gay marriage. And if you ask me for scriptural proof, I give you the “lack of condemnation” as proof. Unless you can prove otherwise, you, my friend, are the one with the burden of proof.

          • MC

            So wait, your proof that the Bible is pro homosexual acts and pro gay marriage is “lack of condemnation”? Can you elaborate on that or am I supposed to be telepathic and understand in what context you’re referring to? “Go and murder, rape, commit adultery, abuse drugs, lie, steal, and pillage because there is no condemnation”! 

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            God condemns what God condemns. And He doesn’t condemn what He doesn’t condemn. How can I make that any easier. Any kindergartner can understand that concept. God does not condemn gay marriage. If you disagree, prove it.

          • MC

            Again, please show your evidence. Simply repeating “God does not condemn homosexual acts and gay marriage” over and over again is not proof. That’s like saying, “The moon is made out of cheese because the moon is made out of cheese”. Please show me, in Scripture, where God condones homosexual acts and gay marriage?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Don’t change the question because you don’t like my answer. You might as well say, Prove that the Bible supports peeing against a tree. It doesn’t mention it, and neither does it condemn it. Based on that logic, you would then say that since God does not condone it, and because I cannot prove that He does, therefore God must condemn it. Seriously.

          • MC

            I’m not changing the question, the question is the same, show me where God condones homosexual acts and gay marriage? We have Scripture condemning homosexual acts from the Old Testament through the New Testament. We have it in the original Biblical languages, we have Scripture setting the precedent of what marriage is, between a man and a woman, in Genesis which Jesus recites in the New Testament, restating who he made marriage for. 

          • MC

            I’m not changing the question, the question is the same, show me where God condones homosexual acts and gay marriage? We have Scripture condemning homosexual acts from the Old Testament through the New Testament. We have it in the original Biblical languages, we have Scripture setting the precedent of what marriage is, between a man and a woman, in Genesis which Jesus recites in the New Testament, restating who he made marriage for. 

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Scripture does not condemn homosexual acts. Get your facts straight and do some research. Stop believing a lie just because someone you respect told it to you. Do your OWN research, my friend.

          • MC

            I did! I did my own research to find out the truth of the matter. I studied the subject using the original Biblical languages, and in my study I found that God does indeed condemn homosexual acts. YOU should do your own research instead of believing a lie from someone you respect (Mathew Vines), because he wrote a biased book on a subject that you already agreed with his conclusions. You see, what I did was I went the other way, I came from the “God doesn’t condemn homosexuality” camp. Now my eyes have been opened to the truth, and homosexual acts are indeed a sin and God condemns it. Of course you have yet to even offer one single piece of evidence to the contrary. I’m still waiting for your silver bullet refutation.

          • MC

            I did! I did my own research to find out the truth of the matter. I studied the subject using the original Biblical languages, and in my study I found that God does indeed condemn homosexual acts. YOU should do your own research instead of believing a lie from someone you respect (Mathew Vines), because he wrote a biased book on a subject that you already agreed with his conclusions. You see, what I did was I went the other way, I came from the “God doesn’t condemn homosexuality” camp. Now my eyes have been opened to the truth, and homosexual acts are indeed a sin and God condemns it. Of course you have yet to even offer one single piece of evidence to the contrary. I’m still waiting for your silver bullet refutation, not you repeating your mantra over and over again. Sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself of that lie.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            The proof is the non-existence of verses condemning it.

          • MC

            Again, simply repeating yourself ad nauseam is not evidence. At this point I can only conclude you do not have any evidence since you have failed to meet the demand to show clear and convincing evidence of your assertion, so your argument from ignorance can be dismissed with prejudice.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Show me where God condones the Internet. Same argument. Same logic fail. Stop with your logic games and just accept that you are wrong on this one.

          • MC

            Your argument, or lack thereof, is as illogical as a two sided triangle. Because you have failed miserably to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, your evidence of your claims, mixed with your constant use of logical fallacies, and “opinion”, your argument can be dismissed with prejudice. Maybe next time you won’t start your argument with a false premise. We’re done here.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            God will not bless your arrogance. “We’re done here” is very presumptive and incorrect. I, my friend, am not done. I do not just “give up” like you appear to be doing. You cannot prove that God condemns homosexuality so you try to turn it around and “demand” (arrogance again) that I prove the negative. It is the oldest, and laziest trick in debate. I learned it in high school. God is not on your side on this one. And your level of “tension” in your posts belies your inner turmoil as you fight the Holy Spirit on this one. I pray for you.

          • MC

            Sorry, you can put away your crystal ball because it’s not working for you. There is no “tension” or “turmoil” in me because the Holy Spirit is in me, and he gives me his peace and comfort. What other magical powers do you pretend to have, gaydar? If you learned how to debate in high school, then, 1) You should know to never start with a false premise, and 2), You wouldn’t be so horrible at it as you are. Did you fail the class? God is on my side because I’m faithful to him, I walk in the light, not in the darkness. I don’t call what is sin, like homosexual acts, which he condemned, and proclaim it’s not sin, which is what you do. I don’t teach a false doctrine like you do, and I don’t support perpetual sin like you do. And furthermore, I’m not afraid of God’s Word and unchanging moral law like you are. If you call truth “arrogance” then so be it, that’s in your mind. Like I said before, we’re done.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            And like I said, “We’re not done.” You can give up if you want, but that is your choice. You are so blinded by your hate and bigotry, much as the slave-owners of days gone by. My premises are not false just because you claim they are. I won “state” in debate. Homosexuality is not a sin and is not condemned in the Bible. Your inability to prove otherwise does not become my responsibility “prove it is so.” That is the height of arrogance my friend. God tends to deal with people like you in a very special way. I believe you are a Christian, as am I. My experience is that the only way God can pierce your hardened heart is for someone close to you (maybe a child, brother, nephew) to “come out.” Then you will change your tune. But I hurt for you if your heart is that hardened.

          • MC

            Ah, the use of ad hominem attacks, using empty words like “hate” and “bigotry”, and being compared to “slave owners” because one is frustrated they can’t brainwash others to their way of illogical thinking and support of sin. Not to mention, bad theology. Homosexual acts is a sin and condemned by God no matter who “comes out”. You think if someone close to me coming out is going to make me turn my back on God’s moral law and his Word? Think again. When you and the rest of the Gay community call me names I just turn to God,

            “”You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”

            “”If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.”

            “An unjust man is abominable to the righteous, And he who is upright in the way is abominable to the wicked.”

            “Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you.”

            You can hate me all you want, for I’m in good company. I have God on my side and real true Brothers in Christ.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Martyr much? You already turned your back on God’s law the second you started posting. If I have to scripturally show you why, then you are more lost than I thought, my friend. Just remember, when God knocks you on your back about this issue, that He put someone in your life to warn you first….

          • MC

            Yawn…Like I said, we’re done here.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I know. You’ve said that three times, and yet you keep posting. Typical bigot claiming to be a Christian: Says one thing and does another LOL. You can laugh at me, but you will remember me when that day comes…..Remember, those who know the truth and choose not to heed it……

          • MC

            Are you still posting little emotional rants? Move on with your life, learn subjects on the scholarly level, don’t use emotion for an argument, and put away your childish name calling. Tell me something, does calling people “bigot” and “homophobe” to get your way, does it actually work or does it just continue to make you guys look foolish? I know the answer, it never works. And never start with a false premise. And yes, I will forget you as you are irrelevant to me, I won’t laugh at you because I’m to busy pitying you. Bye now.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Please mean it this time. And yes, much of what I post has an emotional trait, because it is MY LIFE you are judging. To look at another human being through a so-called Christian lens without acknowledging “love” is a sin. And what you call name-calling, I call honestly labelling. “They will know you by your fruit.” And your fruit screams “bigot.”

          • MC

            Again, simply repeating yourself ad nauseam is not evidence. At this point I can only conclude you do not have any evidence since you have failed to meet the demand to show clear and convincing evidence of your assertion, so your argument from ignorance can be dismissed with prejudice. Thank you for proving my point, I think we’re done here.

          • MC

            Again, please show your evidence. Simply repeating “God does not condemn homosexual acts and gay marriage” over and over again is not proof. That’s like saying, “The moon is made out of cheese because the moon is made out of cheese”. Please show me, in Scripture, where God condones homosexual acts and gay marriage?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Already answered this to you in another post. Please read it.

          • MC

            I’m not changing the question, the question is the same, show me where God condones homosexual acts and gay marriage? We have Scripture condemning homosexual acts from the Old Testament through the New Testament. We have it in the original Biblical languages, we have Scripture setting the precedent of what marriage is, between a man and a woman, in Genesis which Jesus recites in the New Testament, restating who he made marriage for.

          • MC

            This is how you debate:

            You: The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexual acts!
            Me: Yes it does.
            You: No it does not! Those verses have been misinterpreted by every scholar and theologian, including the secular ones, over the millennium. The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexual acts. Period!
            Me: Ok, show me your evidence.
            You: Read Matthew Vines book. 
            Me: Your evidence is for me to read an undergrads opinion on the matter? I know his arguments, he uses bad theology and he has been refuted many times, including by two atheists online. So show me your evidence. 
            You: You’re a pharisee! You’re a bigot! You hate gay people! You hate black people! (Even though I don’t know what race you are), You’re a racist! You’re a homophobe! You love slavery! You don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re” so you must be a kid on your mom’s computer. 

            Me: What the…?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Ok, I’ll make it easy for you. Name ONE verse that condemns homosexuality. Just one.

          • youngoldbones .

            No, there is another purpose. Marriage brings together that which was separated at the creation of Eve from Adam.
            Male and Female are complimentary. The two reflect different aspects of the human experience. They belong together and compliment one another. Two men together or two women together do NOT.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Male and female are complimentary. No one is knocking heterosexuality. But male and male are also complimentary. My boyfriend and I are proof. We reflect two different aspects of the human experience (to use your words). To say differently is to question my own personal experience, which would highly egotistical to do.

          • shepetgene

            You probably should have taken Biology 102 then. One of things you would have learned is that animals that form a societal hierarchy have use for animals that choose not to procreate but instead take care of the children within the community. In some primate communities there are adults that never breed but instead act as parents for reproducing members. While their individual “fitness” (that is, the biological definition of “fit”) goes down, while the overall survival of the species goes up. In this manner a same-sex couple choosing to raise orphaned or otherwise un-parented children would be furthering the human species. Especially if they form the minority of the population while the majority procreate.

          • MC

            I’m not interested in what the animal kingdom does or doesn’t do, animals don’t have morals. Animals eat their young, should we do that too because they do it? Animals and humans differ in a lot of ways, they are hard wired differently than humans. And an animal or a human that chooses not to procreate is not the norm, it also doesn’t prove homosexuality.

          • shepetgene

            Great. I was responding to someone who was using biology to make a point. That person apparently puts some stock in science. I was pointing out how their view of biology was unfortunately based on a cursory knowledge of it. I’ll make a note not to use biology in any sort of argument with you.

          • shepetgene

            Ecology is part of biology. You made the comment involving biology. Here is your comment “homosexuality serves no purpose in the advancement of the human race…biology 101.” I was demonstrating for you how your understanding of biology is cursory and how there is a rational, biological basis for a minority of members of a society to not procreate.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Do you believe that a God-blessed marriage requires procreation?

          • thisoldspouse

            Your plumbing makes you what you are. Every human born, with very rare obvious physiological exceptions, is born to perform heterosexually.

      • youngoldbones .

        We might as well as a pedophile when he decided to go after children. Homosexuals and pedophiles both have had their desires perverted. Sometimes at the hands of adult males or older boys.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Oldest anti-gay propaganda out there. No one abused me. I had a strong father in my life. I never wore women’s clothes. Seriously, please bring your argument into the 20th century.

      • thisoldspouse

        Everyone was DESIGNED to be “straight.” The penis is undeniably designed to deliver the male gamete to that of the female’s.

        That you deny obvious natural design seems to be a serious mental disorder. I’ll bet you stuff your mashed potatoes into your ears and call it “nutrition.”

        • youngoldbones .

          Exactly.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          No, they aren’t. Your assumptions are not factual.

          • thisoldspouse

            Facts are your “assumptions.” Face it.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Reproduction is not the “justification” for sexual behavior anymore than peanut butter is the justification for bread’s existence. Seriously, your logic fails are getting worse. At least keep it challenging.

        • David Mora

          Shame there isn’t a single major medical or psychological organization in the U.S. that agrees with you about it being a “serious mental disorder”.

          But hey, I’m sure your medical doctorate is totally better than all of theirs, right?

          • thisoldspouse

            Stuffing mashed potatoes into your ears isn’t a mental disorder? Wow~!

          • David Mora

            Just the astute observation we’d expect from a man who apparently believes he has more medical knowledge and credibility than the AMA and APA combined.

          • thisoldspouse

            Well, you can have the psychologists, they are all homosexual or nuts – or both.

            Many doctors know of the dangers of homosexual activity – even the CDC acknowledges it. It’s not mistake that these medical associations are suffering declining membership and credibility – they have been taken over by kooks!

          • David Mora

            Right, it’s all just an evil gay conspiracy, just like global warming and evolution are evil liberal conspiracies, and how the heliocentric model was an anti-Christian conspiracy when Galileo put it forward.

  • Martin Rizley

    The students who wore the “Gay Day is Not OK” t-shirt should have put on the back of the t-shirt the words, “. . .And I Will Not Be Silenced For Saying So!” in order to underscore the intolerance of those who are seeking to silence Christians in the public square who are willing to speak the truth about God’s design for sex.

    • tomd

      50 years ago the t-shirts would have said something about “God’s design for the black race”. Would you have approved back then?

      • Martin Rizley

        This is comparing apples and oranges. The whole concept of equal rights is grounded in the belief that “all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.” In other words, our legal system has historically opposed discrimination against people based on a recognition of the God-ordained equality of all men despite their outward diversity. It is men’s God-created diversity that must be respected. A person’s race is one aspect of God-created diversity. But not all descriptive characteristics of human beings fall into the category God-created diversity. Alcoholism, for example, can hardly be considered an aspect of God-created diversity. Neither can pedophilia or homosexuality as a form of conduct and way of life. Therefore, it is wrong to create ‘anti-discrimination’ laws based on chosen lifestyles that are harmful or dangerous to people and society.

        • ReidDA

          see where it says their creator, it doesn’t say your god or any other specific god. In fact according to the treaty of tripoli it specifically wasn’t a christian god.

          • Martin Rizley

            The founders were not interested in establishing a theocracy with a national church, that’s why they did not get specific defining the “doctrine of God” for our nation. They did not want to give “legal ascendancy” to one creed or one confession of faith over another. They did not want there to be an established “Church of America” as there was a church of England. On the other hand, they believed that our laws should be based on reason and common sense, and they believed that it was simply reasonable to believe in a Supreme Being whose divine laws of equity and justice (“the laws of nature and nature’s God”) MUST be the foundation of our civil code. Moreover, they believed those laws are discernible to right reason and common sense– self-evident to a judicious or rational mind. What they would have totally opposed is the cultural Marxism of our day which says that, because men hold to different religious beliefs, we can ignore religion altogether and the prior claims of natural law in framing of our civil laws. We can elevate the state itself to a God-like role of redefining fundamental social institutions like marriage and the family, conferring on the state the power even to tell us what our rights are– as if our rights came from the state, rather than directly from God. This is something the founders would never have supported. It is simply irrational for our government to promote sexual anarchy in society by deconstructing our marriage laws to fit the sexual preferences and predilections of each individual citizen. That is a patently lunatic agenda that can only be explained in terms of the tyrannical agenda of our government to increase the power of the centralized state by destroying the rights of the natural family.

          • youngoldbones .

            The founding fathers were Christian, Until recently the United States was a Christian Nation.

          • ReidDA

            I’ll grant you the first part (although they were wise enough to not allow their religion into their laws) the second part? Have you read the treaty of tripoli?

          • tomd

            No, some of them were Deists.

        • tomd

          By this argument, religion should not be protected either. It’s just an idea – there is nothing inherent about it at all, and people change religions all the time.

          Sexual orientation is much more like an inherent characteristic than religion, yet we protect religion tooth and nail.

          • youngoldbones .

            Because that is in the constitution. Freedom to be homosexual and force society to celebrate it and teach your children the activities thereof, IS NOT.

          • ReidDA

            nor is the right to pass our information to my children on your religion yet the same people who fight against marriage equality fight for that.

          • youngoldbones .

            So you want to make sure your kids join you in Hell I trust?

            Thanks Mom and Dad, because you hated God you made sure I joined you. Nice. You didnt even give me a chance to get informed about God. You just kept it from me.

            Yeah, they won’t thank you for that.

          • ReidDA

            nope I want them to be able to make their own decisions at a time when they are fully able to grasp concepts and what is right for them. That way they will have a more full relationship with their faith since it was theirs not something that was imposed on them by me.

          • youngoldbones .

            What about imposing homosexual mind games on grade school children. Cause that is what is happening in MA right now. and in other places. Children far too young to understand sexual attraction are being asked to consider sexual attraction to their own gender, this at a time when children naturally gravitate toward their own gender. Homosexual advocates hope to sexualize little children foisting experimentation into their very young lives.

            YOU have NO right.
            Oh and by the way, that also is covered in the Bible, “But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck.”

          • ReidDA

            source?

          • youngoldbones .

            GLSEN. Read their curricula action plan.

          • tomd

            The laws preventing me from firing you because you’re Christian, black, female, gay, etc. are not in the Constitution.

          • youngoldbones .

            Free exercise of religion is protected. Whether you like it or not.
            But even if you do find a way to harm us, YOU will answer for it before God one day.

          • ReidDA

            so is protection FROM religion.

          • youngoldbones .

            There is no such clause.

            Just like there is no right for you not to get your feelings hurt by the fact that nature and the medical community declares homosexuality to be a corrupt perversion.

          • ReidDA

            the establishment clause is interpreted both as allowing you to practice your religion as you see fit and for me to not have my life affected by that religious practice. You can read any number of the federalist papers or TJ’s Virginia’s Statue for Religious Freedom to see why that is clear.

            That our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry,

          • ReidDA

            Can you cite that from the accepted medical community?

          • youngoldbones .

            I can cite it from a great many medical doctors who not only deplore the damage done to the human anatomy by dint of homosexual activity. But also a great many pathologist, one being Dr. Milton Helperin, who has written a book a chapter of which is dedicated to the peculiar and violent crimes that take place in the homosexual community one homosexual killing and or mutilating another.

          • ReidDA

            you said the medical community that usually implies a consensus of a large number of the members of that community generally expressed through their organizations such as AMA, ACOG, AAP etc….

          • youngoldbones .

            Remember AIDS? Doctors didnt even want to have to treat homosexuals. There are facts that homosexuals don’t want to hear. Tell me would you like a brief rundown on all the maladies that are particular and prevalent in the homosexual community? Or would you prefer not to ready about maladies related to ingesting feces and perforating colons?

          • ReidDA

            Peter LaBarbera you have a new user name?

          • youngoldbones .

            I’ll take that as a no, you don’t want to hear the horrible list of maladies that come from misusing the human body.

          • youngoldbones .

            Again, there is no such thing in the constitution that says you will not come into contact with people expressing their faith. You are free to exercise your rights to walk away. Just as I would if I saw a gay pride parade heading down main street.

          • tomd

            I do like it. No one is taking away your ability to exercise your religion. Unless it conflicts with someone else’s freedoms.

          • youngoldbones .

            The constitution never said that you would never have to hear a prayer or be subjected to people of faith. You misread the constitution. WE don’t have to curtail our expression of faith to make you feel comfortable.

          • tomd

            And who is asking you to curtail your expression of faith to make me “comfortable”? I’m not.

          • youngoldbones .

            It happens every day, the atheist leading edge keeps testing the waters, forbidding expression of faith in myriad ways. Pull your head out of the sand.

          • tomd

            Proof is needed.

          • youngoldbones .

            You won’t find any with your head in the sand.

          • tomd

            Can’t provide proof. OK.

          • sagecreek

            GET HELP NOW. Seriously, you are in danger.

          • youngoldbones .

            You should know that if the founding fathers could be with us today, they would in no way countenance the celebration of what all of them agreed was perversion. You see the founding fathers had clear vision, they didn’t entertain the idea of celebrating perversions and installing special rights for those who practice vile affections.

          • tomd

            The founding fathers were very aware they could not anticipate things in the future. That’s why they built in an amendment process.

            And I don’t know what they would think today. And neither do you.

          • youngoldbones .

            They wouldn’t be the founding fathers if they weren’t a product of their times. Again, these men had clear thought processes. They knew perversion when they saw it. They would imprison, scourge or outcast such individuals. But today, we have time on our hands and the folly of an idle mind can come up with any number of insane detrimental propositions. Which is exactly what the homosexuals have put before us.

          • tomd

            Exceptional, yes. But to assume that they could foresee the gay rights battle is silly.

          • youngoldbones .

            You’re right, they would have been stock stone shocked to see that such a hideous ludicrous movement could ever have arisen from the country they helped create.

          • sagecreek

            Oh, and what did they say about molesting one’s daughters? Because that’s the road you seem to be on. GET HELP NOW.

          • Martin Rizley

            Sorry, but our founders disagree with you. They wrote freedom of religion into our Constitution as our first freedom. They apparently did not regard religious belief as a form of ‘mental illness’ or an ‘evolutionary aberration’ in primitive human beings (as cultural Marxists see it, who regard religion as a disease to be “quarantined” in the four walls of the church, lest it infect our culture and legal system). Our founders viewed religion as an essential, public, and very important feature of every civilized society, and they believed that its free and unhindered exercise was entitled to the protection of the civil law. Their view of sexual deviancy, on the other hand, was quite different. Jefferson authored a bill in his home state that appointed the penalty of castration for the crime of ‘buggery’ (sodomy), which was universally regarded in that day as a “crime against nature.” As far as “sexual orientation” goes, the concept didn’t even exist in colonial times, since homosexuality was defined strictly as a form of conduct, and it was understood that the state’s concern is solely with outward conduct or actions of people, not with their inward ‘orientation’ or thoughts (There were no self-appointed priggish ‘thought police’ in those days, running around like tiresome busy-bodies trying to control people’s thoughts). So you may think that religion deserves no more protection under the law than the right to flaunt sexually aberrant forms of conduct in public without social ostracism, but our founders would disagree with you about that; and they wrote our Constitution, not you. Or do you think the Constitution really doesn’t matter any more, and shouldn’t restrain ‘enlightened’ liberals who get in office from running the country and ruling over the ignorant masses any way they please? Because that is exactly how our present administration views the Constitution, if truth be told.

          • tomd

            Of course, at no point did I say that religion was a mental aberration or anything similar. The idea of nondiscrimination laws as we have today is relatively new.

            And society has progressed a bit since the 1700s. We’ve stopped keeping slaves for example.

          • Martin Rizley

            Not all change in society is ‘progress.’ Liberals automatically assume societies that undergo social revolutions are progressing. History proves the opposite. In fact, the strongest argument can be made that by choosing to throw away a Judeo-Christian view of human sexuality as the basis of our marriage laws (which our founders regarded as the most ‘rational’ and therefore the most enlightened and civilized view), our nation is actually taken a huge step backwards into the paganism of pre-Christian Europe. There is nothing ‘new’ about cultural acceptance of sexual deviancy; it is as old as Sodom and Gomorrah. We are regressing, therefore, not progressing– as the result of watered-down Christianity in the churches and dumbed-down education in the schools churning out a religiously ignorant cultural barbaric populace which is interested only in being entertained, fed and taken care of by a nanny state. Consequently, the culture is being shaped by people who have the most money to pour into brainwashing propaganda through the media– people like George Soros– who are frequently the people with the most degraded morals. Cultural change doesn’t equate with progress, unless you want to include in ‘progress’ the idea of progressive decay or progressive spread of disease. You may not have said that religion is a mental aberration, but you did seem to imply that religion is a category of human behavior no more worthy of protection by law than alcoholism or pedophilia.

          • tomd

            By progression I meant we know considerably more about the brain and human development since the 1700s.

            We protect religion. Religion is an idea. If we can argue that ideas can be protected from discrimination, then surely sexual orientation – something far more ingrained – is eligible as well.

          • Martin Rizley

            I reject completely the idea that adults whose sexual desires and impulses pull them in the direction of behavior that is dangerous or unhealthy or destructive of the social order have an inherent “right” to act on their impulses with the full sanction of the law protecting them from discrimination. Society may freely choose to tolerate within certain limits the legality of certain self-destructive behaviors, but that does not means that society is under any moral obligation to protect from people who engage in self-destructive behaviors from social ostracism or discrimination. If that were true, then pedophiles could claim that their desires and impulses pull them in the direction of sex with minors, so that they, no less than homosexuals, should have legal protection to act according to their “orientation” without discrimination. The same claim claim could also be made by incestuous couples, polyamorists or polygamists. All could demand that their chosen sexual lifestyle is entitled to the same ‘rights’ as heterosexual couples– including the alleged right to marry in accordance with their sexual preferences. Such ‘deconstruction’ of the institution of marriage is completely irrational, for it logically leads to the undermining of marriage as a foundational institution of society. Such irrationality is based on a willful blindness to the crucial purpose marriage serves as a social institution. If marriage were merely a private matter, it would be inconsequential how it is defined. But if is a public institution that serves a public purpose, to further the social, cultural, economic future of the society, then its definition is a matter of the utmost importance to society. Any redefining of that institution which alters its essential character or undermines it basic social function may rightly be rejected by the society. There is nothing in the Constitution requiring society to alter its marriage laws to fit the endless endless permutations of sexual appetites found in the human being.

      • James

        Please stop comparing being gay to being black. They are not the same thing!

        • tomd

          Under anti discrimination laws, they are the same thing.

          • youngoldbones .

            You’re fooling yourself there. Behavior is the problem, not race.

            It is not a sin to be black or white, male or female. It IS a sin to corrupt sexual behavior with unnatural and vile affections.

          • sagecreek

            Honey, see a therapist. The more you post, the more worried I am.

          • youngoldbones .

            Oh so you think it IS a sin to be Black or White, Male or Female. I see.

          • shepetgene

            Or maybe it’s that sagecreek is not drawing a false dichotomy between things and then antagonizing another person with that in a poor attempt to seem like they’re winning some sort of argument. You’re the one conflating race and gender with sin, sagecreek didn’t say anything of the sort. What is your point with this?

          • youngoldbones .

            So you think it IS a sin to be Black? Or you dont think that homosexuality is a corruption of the clear design of the sexual organs? Also do you think the anus and colon were ever meant to be used as a channel for seminal fluids?

            Your answer here will indict you as needing help, not I.

          • thisoldspouse

            What “anti-discrimination laws,” make them the same thing?

          • youngoldbones .

            Did you notice that none of these homosexual advocates who decry “bullying” have even touched my argument that the gay controlled fashion industry is one of the biggest bullies on the block, influencing vulnerable girls into becoming anorexic and bulimic because they churn out endless fashion icons who are little more than walking skeletons to please the gay sensibilities of gay men who despise the female form. Forcing social conscious little girls to emulate anorexic models so they can look like the gay beauty idea. A prepubescent boy.
            IF that isn’t bullying and on a GRAND scale, then I don’t know what is.

          • tomd

            That could be because it’s deeply and abidingly the dumbest idea presented here yet.

          • youngoldbones .

            No its the best argument for the damage that homosexuals and their influence already causes in this society.
            Its already been addressed that the fashion industry harms little girls and causes grave health issues and even death due to bulimia and anorexia. But no one dares address the true underlying reason that homosexual fashion designers demand skeletal models, it IS because they despise the true female form and lust after pubescent boys, which these rail thin models most resemble.
            It is entirely true.

          • tomd

            This is really *really* stupid. And the more you try to explain it the stupider it gets.

            You’re also making light of a serious problem that deserves real attention, not this drivel.

          • sagecreek

            I have to agree with Tomd, that’s deeply stupid, and also, very illustrative of your weirdo issues. God, I hope you don’t have daughters.

          • tomd

            Laws that prevent discrimination based on race, gender, age, religion, etc. treat different protected classes the same when it comes to penalties.

          • thisoldspouse

            Again, what discrimination laws? Do you think that they federal government has now added sexual preference to the discrimination list?

          • tomd

            No, but many states and municipalities have.

          • thisoldspouse

            Okay, just clarifying. Many on the left just assume that sexual predilections have been added to the federal list.

  • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

    Those t-shirts were as repulsive as if they had said “Martin Luther King Day is not ok” Discrimination is Discrimination and I’m glad the school did not tolerate it. I wish my school growing up had stood up for me when I was bulled for being “gay”.

    • tomd

      Agreed. Seems to me that if you want people to take your ideas seriously, wearing a T-shirt that essentially says “I’m a gigantic jerk that thinks bullying a minority is a good idea” is NOT a step in the right direction.

    • youngoldbones .

      oh bull! Some of the worst bullies WERE/ARE gay. Even today it is the gay dominated fashion industry which bullies little girls into harmful eating disorders so they can be like the walking skeletons that the fashion industry employs! Homosexual men despise the female form to such a degree that they find rail thin girls who look like prepubescent boys to wear their fashion creations. Yup, you homosexuals are responsible for the misery of many a girl who feels that she has to be anorexic or bulimic in order to “fit in” with the image that they Gay controlled fashion industry foists before her eyes. I mean you homosexuals even called Jennifer Lawrence fat! Fat!!??

      Homosexuals ARE the bullies, and the victims are every woman and especially our vulnerable little girls.

      But you people don’t care about little girls, You only think of pleasing yourselves.

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        Careful. Keep calm. The rules of this message board are very clear about typing in uppercase. Your unsubstantiated accusations notwithstanding, that would be like saying that the Jews were the true bullies during the holocaust.

        • youngoldbones .

          Oh my accusations are more than substantiated. They’re true. Are you going to say that the fashion industry isn’t run by homosexual men? Come on, let me hear you say it.

        • youngoldbones .

          Intermittent caps are for emphasis, or didn’t you know that?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            That’s the only part of my response you have a problem with. LOL!

          • youngoldbones .

            Well the rest of your response was just your typical nonsensical blather. It amazes me that you think you made a point worth addressing in the comment to which you refer.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Labeling the truth as blather is not an argument LOL!

      • sagecreek

        Wow, you have some issues going on there, darlin’.

        I don’t think any of them have to do with gay rights. Wow. I’m glad I don’t live in the house with you. Does your wife know how messed up you are?

        • youngoldbones .

          Lol, you know it’s true. The fashion industry was called on the carpet for creating unattainable skinny fashion images that caused young girls considerable health issues as they tried to fit into that unattainable body type. Course you queers know its true, but since its not your problem, you just caused it, you don’t care.

    • James

      Why do people compare being gay to being black? besides, no one is forced to be silent on MLK Day. No one is forced to read Ebony magazine or anything like that. And byt he way, MLK opposed homosexuality, so he would be bothered by you comparing him to homosexuals.

      • ReidDA

        I’m going to go with his wife on what his stance would have been on LGBT rights although in reality no one really knows.

        • youngoldbones .

          His wife is no doubt taking the popular and easy path. She doesn’t want to be hounded out of the public discussion the way that the creator of Java Script was hounded out of his own company. Homosexuals are the new fascists.

          • ReidDA

            well she’s dead so I don’t think she worries about it anymore, but when she said it back in 1998 the public tide was way more against marriage equality than it is now so I think she had more to worry about then so I am going to say you are wrong.

          • youngoldbones .

            Well I would say that you are wrong. MLK was a man of God and he spoke against homosexual behavior.

            He even counseled people who were oppressed by unwanted same sex attractions.

          • tomd

            Prove it.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        Why? It’s called intellectual laziness.

      • tomd

        The man who organized MLKs march on Washington was openly gay. MLK didn’t have a problem with that.

        • youngoldbones .

          Are you speaking for MLK now?

          I work alongside homosexuals, I guess you think I approve of their lifestyle?
          Wrong, we both work toward an end, that being the good of the company.

          The same could be said of the man who supported MLK’s efforts. In fact however MLK did not join forces with this man to aid him in HIS struggle. That I am sure you well know the reason for. MLK was a man of God.

          • David Mora

            How about Coretta Scott King? Before her death, she openly stated that her late husband believed in civil rights for all people, and that that includes LGBT. Are you saying you know MLK Jr. better than his own wife?

          • youngoldbones .

            Prove it.

          • sagecreek

            If you work with homosexuals, you should know better than to post the hateful things that you do. Shame on you, youngoldbones, shame on you!

          • youngoldbones .

            As a Christian I speak out against the immoral influences that come, if not from the average homosexual, then definitely from the militant homosexual advocates.

          • sagecreek

            Yeah, but your examples are creepier than heck. There’s something bad going on with you that I don’t even want to contemplate.

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        That’s an easy answer. Blacks didn’t choose their color. Gays didn’t choose their sexuality. Neither can change, even if they wanted to. Both were/are considered second-hand citizens by many in the majority. Both have been abused, tortured, and mistreated for something beyond their control.

        And as far as MLK, his now-deceased wife, Coretta Scott King believed MLK supported LBGT rights. In 1998, she said. “I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King’s dream to make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people,” she said.

        • youngoldbones .

          In fact he did not, he counseled homosexuals to seek therapy to cure their same sex attractions.

        • thisoldspouse

          “Gay” is a fake, unprovable, completely invisible identity. There is no physiological test for being homosexual, no genetic marker, no physical features (other than possibly a ruptured bowel.) It is completely on the “honor system.” I could claim to be “gay” and no one could prove that I am not. The only determiner of “gayness” is self-proclamation.

          Try to say that about race or sex.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Some people are German. Some are Swiss. Most can’t tell by looking at them. You have to take their word for it. Stop with your nonsensical rants.

    • thisoldspouse

      One person’s “discrimination” is a sane person’s good judgement.

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        My grandfather used to say that when justifying his racism.

        • thisoldspouse

          Well, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree, now did it?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            No it didn’t, gramps.

          • youngoldbones .

            My my OMHO are you resorting to denigrating a commentator based on his age? Smells like hate speech to me.
            I’d say that the apple us very near the tree, and doing whatever it can to trivialize genuine concerns of concerned citizens. That you denigrate TOS age shows that you too are filled with hate.

          • thisoldspouse

            Homophiles love to ardently wish for the older generation to “die off” so they can move forward with their agenda unhindered. I hear it all the time.

            A kind of soft genocide.

          • youngoldbones .

            It shows the true level of their hate, they truly wish people who oppose them to die. They’re too blind to see how hate filled they are. It enrages them that they still have people who are willing to confront them with the truth.

          • thisoldspouse

            It even makes them all the more livid when young folks like you fall on the side of moral sanity. You break the mold that you are supposed to fit into, so you are hated even more than us older folks.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I called my own grandfather “gramps”. It was a term of endearment. Judging comes easy to you I’ve noticed.

          • youngoldbones .

            This man is not your grandfather, that being the case you were being disrespectful.

          • sagecreek

            Given that you talk all the time about how most of us are going to hell, I’m not sure that you need to be doing the “disrespectful” thing. Your choice, obviously, but irony must be respected.

          • youngoldbones .

            Still waiting for your “programs to load” creek? I thought you had better things to do.
            Incidentally I never said you were “going to Hell” I said you would have to stand before God to answer for your support of sin and the corruption of children.
            Everyone stands before God one day, it’s entirely up to HIM as to what your final dispensation will be.

          • sagecreek

            SHE might get kind of annoyed at you assuming to speak for her.

            Programs load all the time, there’s lots of down time. You seem to be confused about this whole new 20th century thing :)

            I am not corrupting children. Those of you who excoriate your children who happen to be gay? You will indeed face God.

          • youngoldbones .

            I do not speak for God, I relate from scripture what it says will happen to every soul that passes from this world. In no way do I speak for (him) God.

          • youngoldbones .

            If I had a homosexual child I would not excoriate or berate him/her. I would do my best to support him/her throughout life, but I would make certain that he would know that act upon their homosexual passions is sin.

          • sagecreek

            Well, then, you would be a horrible parent.

          • youngoldbones .

            Tsk tsk, you are very judgmental for someone without a basis for morality.

          • sagecreek

            Who says I have no basis for morality? You know nothing about me besides the fact that I disagree with your homophobia.

            Time for a reality check there, Mister.

          • youngoldbones .

            GOD is the only true basis for morality.

          • sagecreek

            Whose God? And whose interpretation?

            These are not easy questions. These are the questions that have occupied serious thinkers for millenia. The fact that you think you have the easy answers should be a clue to you that you need to think harder.

            Also, you need to get out more. Honey, really? You’re this uptight at 27? That’s just sad.

          • youngoldbones .

            I think you’re lonely creek, and I think you’ve found that you can sustain a long discussion with someone with whom you disagree longer than you can with one whose views match your own. Don’t let this debate keep you from accepting Jesus Christ as your savior. Jesus Christ is the only God proclaimed in prophecy which all came true. And the Bible has been proven right when even Historians dudnt have the full historical facts. When cities were discovered to actually exist which the Bible long ago recorded AGAIN the Bible was proven true.

            I don not judge homosexuals, I have homosexual friends, yeah it’s true. And if they choose to reject scripture and live a homosexual life, so be it. But they do not have the right to change what marriage is. The only sexual relationship that pleases God is between one man and one woman and it’s meant to last a lifetime. There is no room in scripture that allows for men to sodomize men, or women to pleasure other women, such acts ignore the companion that God created for man, that being woman. Scripture calls such acts an abomination. It’s little wonder that he would be offended, fir homosexuals reject that which God intended for marriage and substitutes their OWN image, the height if narcissism and self adulation.

          • sagecreek

            You don’t have homosexual friends. Trust me, you don’t. It’s like racists who claim they have very good friends who are black.

            And I am very happy being Jewish. People like you just confirm my decision to leave Christianity, and I’ve left it far behind. The hatred, the exclusivity, the nastiness? All gone. I’m glad you are happy being Christian, but I’m done with that.

          • youngoldbones .

            Jesus Christ won’t give up on you, even if I do.

          • johnschro

            if your child were about to touch a burning hot stove would you not slap his hand to stop him from hurting himself? same thing with acting on a homosexual impulse.

          • youngoldbones .

            You may have forgot that you made an excuse for wasting time here. You said you were merely waiting for a program to load. I suggested you buy a new faster computer. Forgetful much?

          • youngoldbones .

            That’s the 21st century to you creek. Lol.

          • sagecreek

            No, I typed 20th century deliberately. Trying to bring you along slowly.

          • youngoldbones .

            More lies creek, too embarrassed to admit your mistake. Another sign of your character flaws.

          • sagecreek

            Honey, you make me so sad. You’re 27, right? You are way too young to be this bigoted. You know I’m right. You know you’ve lost friends over this.

            WAKE UP. Jesus isn’t about hate. You’ve been lied to. Why did you listen? Time for some serious soul searching there, Mister.

          • youngoldbones .

            Actually I haven’t lost any friends over this, because real friends allow people to have their own opinions.
            Jesus Christ spoke more about hell than anyone else in the Bible. Think on that. Jesus is love, but he won’t force you to be with him against your will. And like any good father he warns his children not to get involved in things that are sinful and can hurt you. Homosexuality being just one of those things.
            I suppose you think the ideal father would send you out into the world without warnings, without rules. Such a person would not be a good father, he would be an indifferent one.

            This new movement to call homosexuality good, is very new, and yet you feel justified to ascribe hate filled motives against everyone who holds to that which creation itself reveals to be true. That homosexuality is an aberration, it is harmful, both to society and to the people engaged therein.

          • youngoldbones .

            You should learn not to lie so often, it’s sinful, disrespectful and doesn’t reflect very well on neither your intellect or character.

          • MC

            The LGBT community and their supporters love to use words like ”bigot” and ‘homophobe” because they’re frustrated that they can’t brainwash us into believing what they believe in. I’ve never met such intolerant and hateful people as them.

          • youngoldbones .

            So true. They use the old political trickery whereby they “define their opposition” and the media, the news outlets in their cowardice allow all manner of lies to be presented as truth. Why? because many in the media or news know a fellow newscaster or employee or more importantly employer who is homosexual or has a homosexual family member. Rather than risk the anger of those in a position to fire or castigate them, they make sure they remove any criticisms of homosexuality from their reporting or scripts. It wasn’t always this way, but slowly the most Liberal of professionals in the media started acting in this way and others began to follow suit, until the homosexual activists are throroughly scrutinizing the record of anyone in the public eye. Example being the CEO of Mozilla whose contributions to political causes he supported were illegally compromised and used as a weapon to fire him from the company he himself started.
            Homosexuals talk about people being on the wrong side of history. It is THEY who are on the wrong side of history. One day people will look back on the control that they wielded over the media and industry and see the same kind of fascist tactics utilized by the Nazi’s and the McCarthy trials and the Salem Witch trials. The tactic being, if you dare speak the truth, you will be accused and removed. Our founding fathers would be STUNNED that such a movement has taken hold in our country. Particularly surprising to them would be the proclivities of those wielding the power. For homosexuality was the most offensive of behaviors at their time. The idea of giving sodomites marital standing would have been unthinkable at the founding of this country. That homosexual activists presume upon the constitution for marital rights is insane.

      • sagecreek

        No one thinks you have good judgment anymore, grandpa.

        Go on, ask your grandkids.

        • youngoldbones .

          Says the man who defend and possibly himself engages sex with the human decal waste disposal system. I’d your judgement is in the sewer along with the remnants of homosexual “lovemaking”

          • sagecreek

            Uh, okay. I’m not a man, and I’m not gay. But wow, otherwise your comment was…well, stupid.

          • Scott Lanway

            Would you expect anything less from someone who likely hasn’t read a non-Bible book since they were in diapers?

          • sagecreek

            It’s kind of scary, isn’t it? Issues running amok.

          • youngoldbones .

            I’ll stack my education against yours any day of the week. Particularly since your opening salvo is so weak and amusing.

          • youngoldbones .

            More like accurate, you may not be a man but you defend men doing that which shows them to have no sound judgement whatsoever. The generative organ was not made to be plunged into the human colon. No wonder so many homosexual men need reconstructive surgery due to the destruction of the anal orifice.

          • sagecreek

            Look, if you don’t want to be gay, don’t be gay. Period.

            That’s your only involvement in this issue at all.

            And wow, you are so gay.

          • youngoldbones .

            I don’t want my kids to have to live in the filthy immoral world you people are crafting for them. You don’t know anything about taking the long view and seeing what evil will arise from this. Frankly you’re not too bright.

          • sagecreek

            Well, they’re going to live in the world, whether you like it or not. Poor kids.

          • sagecreek

            So says the guy who is fixated on the process ;)

            Honey, it’s okay. It’s 2014. Go get laid.

          • youngoldbones .

            Knowledgable becomes “fixated” for those who want to attack the messenger for the validity of the message.

          • sagecreek

            No, I’m just saying. For someone who hates gays, you do seem awfully fixed on the dynamics.

            Not unusual. Alas.

          • youngoldbones .

            Know your enemy Sun Tzu, not that you’d read it, absorbed as you are with facilitating hedonism.

          • sagecreek

            Actually, I’m quite fond of Sun Tzu. What was your point, again?

          • youngoldbones .

            The point is self evident, except to you, I know my enemy and his weakness is the horrific perversions and damage they do to their own bodies and those whose bodies they abuse. The homosexual community brewed up the AIDS virus and spread it to the rest of the world, but not before creating an additional vector in the IV drug using community, spreading it to drug users when drug users prostituted themselves for money to buy a fix. Homosexuals are ground zero for the AIDS virus.

          • Boo

            How exactly does one “brew up” a virus, youngoldbones? Please, do enlighten us.

          • youngoldbones .

            Considering the manner in which homosexuals have sexual relations, the blood and fecal meter that co-mingles along with their myriad insalubrious other practices they somehow managed it.

      • sagecreek

        Seriously, honey, what is your deal? It’s obviously not Biblical. What is your childhood trauma?

    • youngoldbones .

      Sorry OMHO, you have no right to “homosexualize” my kids. Which is what GLSEN is trying to do, by getting “marriage” this will cause the school system to homosexualize the curricula, NO preference will be tolerated for heterosexuality. MY kids will be forced to learn homosexual sex techniques. NO! I will not allow it! You have no right to reprogram little children to experiment with homosexuality. YOU bear the responsibility for the what happens to these kids. And YOU and others who fought for this WILL answer before God for your evil influence on innocent children.

      “But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck.”

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        You can’t “turn someone gay.” They either are or they aren’t. You can’t “recruit” them either. Once again, you are dragging up disproved beliefs from the 1950′s. You’re showing your age.

        • Dannyboy

          You, “Only”, homosexuals are born that way. Except those that are bisexual, or those guys who marry women, and then 25 years later marry a man, or those who are homosexual but later get religion and become straight, at least in most respects. Then there are homosexual men who start to have sex with lesbian. You bad that you don’t keep up with gay literature which is replete with such examples. I guess homosexuals are unable to use Google. You want me to provide you links?

        • youngoldbones .

          If that is so, how do you explain Ancient Greece?

        • thisoldspouse

          Hmmm. Ellen’s “ex” married a man, by choice even, I heard.

          You fail.

          • Boo

            thisoldspouse- it may behoove you to learn the difference between homosexuals and bisexuals. Hint: Anne Heche said she was the latter.

          • thisoldspouse

            Yeah, that convenient “out” for people who are no longer “gay.” I’m well aware of the “bi” concoction.

          • sagecreek

            Apparently you aren’t. And please, cut it out with the scare quotes. It’s just a mark of lazy thinking and lazy writing.

          • Boo

            What “out” are you talking about? What “concoction”? Are you actually trying to say that bisexuality isn’t a thing? You do realize there are actual scientific ways to measure people’s attractions, right? (and that tellingly, no “ex-gay” has ever been willing to submit themselves to being measured, why do you suppose that is?)

        • youngoldbones .

          I’m still waiting for you to explain the preponderance of homosexuality and bisexuality in Ancient Greece, where grown men sought out little boys to molest or “mentor” as they would put it. Oh and why is it that in Afghanistan over half of the male population have engaged in some form of homosexual behavior, starting in their youth at the hands of an older boy or man.

          That pretty much shoots your theory that you can’t “turn a person gay”.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            No it doesnt. Your suppositions are not fact, nor medically backed. Nor scientifically backed, just your opinion.

          • youngoldbones .

            That is not an explanation to my statement. I want you to explain the reason behind the preponderance of evidence that bisexuality and homosexuality in Greece was widespread and endemic to the culture. How do you account for that if as you say “you can’t make someone gay”

            My point is that you can if you start young enough, and THAT is the true target of homosexual marriage, to instigate a re-education program aimed at the very young to normalize homosexuality and make sure that NO preference whatsoever is given to heterosexuality EVEN though heterosexuality is the NORM.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Unless you can claim a source, I call BS on your post.

          • youngoldbones .

            Again you refuse to give an explanation for the preponderance of homosexual behavior in Ancient Greece. Disingenuous much?
            You know that there is no other explanation for Ancient Greece other than homosexuality is a LEARNED behavior. JUST like Alfred Kinsey claimed in his research. Case closed.

            You people want to influence children toward homosexual behavior. That being the case you care NOTHING for their welfare or future happiness. Homosexuals think FIRST about their needs, even the welfare of children is an ancillary concern for you people.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I did a search and cannot find anything to back up your ridiculous assertions about Greece.

          • youngoldbones .

            Lol, no one believes that. It’s very well known that homosexuality was very prevalent in Ancient Greece.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Homosexuality is prevalent everywhere. I was not saying homosexuality did not exist. I was responding to your “learned behavior” fabrication.

          • youngoldbones .

            Less than 3% of the population isn’t anyone’s definition of Prevalent. Again you are ignoring the facts. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. Alfred Kinsey came to that conclusion and the facts about widespread homosexual behavior in Ancient Greece bears that out. Homosexual advocates want to indoctrinate Children and to the degree that YOU support that effort you will answer for helping to cause children to fall into sin. A grievous affair as should know, claiming as you do to be a Christian despite your lack of repentance for the sin of homosexual behavior.

          • youngoldbones .

            ANCIENT Greece. Do I really need to all cap that for you to get it right?

      • sagecreek

        No one is trying to “homosexualize” your kids. That is impossible to do.

        Some people, like me, are trying to teach your kids not to be full of hatred. Alas, you are teaching them the opposite, but they will not be able to live in this world if they adopt your feelings of hatred and bigotry.

        Your time is done.

        • thisoldspouse

          You touch or come near my children, and you are dead.

          And I’m serious.

          • sagecreek

            Well, I’m probably a better shot with a .38 than you are, but I have no interest in you or your children. Except that I hope they are not as bigoted as you are. I’m sure they aren’t, as they live in the real world.

          • thisoldspouse

            Try me, perv.

          • sagecreek

            You’re the one offering violence, not me. If the police looked at this thread, who do you think they’d arrest, idiot?

          • thisoldspouse

            ooooohhhhh I’m so scared.

            Again, the warning stands. Stay away from my kids, at your own risk.

            And you have no idea who my kid are, so better swear off all perverted indoctrination, right?

          • shepetgene

            Oh move on, this is stupid. Nobody is threatening to come near your kids. Go waste your time making no real arguments on a different part of this thread.

          • sagecreek

            Who are the cops gonna arrest after they see this thread?

          • thisoldspouse

            Protecting innocent children from Jerry Sandusky’s like you is rational behavior.

          • sagecreek

            Jerry Sandusky’s? God, you are deranged.

            I’m an old heterosexual woman. And I hate people like you, primarily for comments like this.

          • thisoldspouse

            Hate away, you’re supremely good at it.

          • sagecreek

            Go away, Spousy. Do your grandkids ever visit? Ever wonder why not?

          • thisoldspouse

            No grandkids, yet.

            Hint, I’m not really that “old.”

          • Guest

            No, I don’t think so. I think you’re a 20something male homosexual with nothing good going on in your life and nothing better to do than post a lot of nonsense. You always say wrong things to get attention. That’s pathetic.
            Or else why are you here?
            Why?

          • youngoldbones .

            Oh my, look who just admitted to being a “hater”. The only thing I hate here is the wholesale slide into immorality that the homosexuals are pushing on this nation. YOU hate people though. YOU are the “hater”

          • youngoldbones .

            The “real” world? You mean the real world where a man and a woman had to come together as God intended in order to create them? Yes, that’s the world as it IS. You want the workd the way the reprobates would have it, with no holds barred sex, without any restraints or care for the upbringing of children, in that workd the sexual desires of the adults are paramount, and children just an assessory with which to “play house”.

          • sagecreek

            Oh, honey. You are a sad, sad man. I hope that life treats you well.

        • youngoldbones .

          At 27 my time is done?
          No, after this life your time to have things your way is done, then you will answer for it.

          • sagecreek

            If you are 27 and you think this way, OMG I feel so sorry for you.

            Go with God, honey.

          • youngoldbones .

            I have children, and I decry the hideous, licentious, immoral and hedonistic world YOU and your friends are trying to foist upon them. I never thought about these things until I had kids. The young will wake up too when THEY have their own kids, That’s how it works.

          • Scott Lanway

            You found someone willing to have children with your hateful bigoted self? That alone is proof that there is no god.

          • youngoldbones .

            Really is that the best you can come up with? Sigh, that’s just sad.

          • Scott Lanway

            It’s all that needs to be said.

          • youngoldbones .

            Yeah, with nothing better to add to the conversation you can resort to ad hominem insults that cant possibly have any effect whatsoever, except to make you look incredibly stupid.

          • sagecreek

            Yeah, okay, you’re an idiot. I try to be nice on here, but you’re an idiot.

            Go ahead, live your life, and when you’re 40 you’ll look back and think, “wow, I really was an idiot.”

          • youngoldbones .

            It’s a pleasure to be called an idiot by a stone cold moron like you,

          • sagecreek

            Oh, honey. Go with God.

          • youngoldbones .

            I’ ll stick with the true God, the one revealed in scripture, you can keep your hippy dippy false god.

          • youngoldbones .

            Not entirely sure which God you refer to, since you seem to have fashioned one that holds to your values, I can only assume that your god is an idol. So I’ll stick with my God

          • sagecreek

            My God is God. He is much bigger than your god.

          • Scott Lanway

            Your god isn’t in sage’s god’s phonebook.

        • youngoldbones .

          A school can have a zero tolerance policy for bullying of any kind Without teaching my children about your perverted sexual behaviors. But no, homosexual advocates are utilizing this opportunity to confuse impressionable young minds, it is indoctrination and corruption of the innocent that is the true agenda.

          • sagecreek

            Wow. I feel so very sorry for your children. I hope they get to go to a real college where they’ll learn about the world.

          • youngoldbones .

            Don’t bother wasting pity on my kids, worry about yourself and your rejection of God’s Holy Scripture, in exchange for pleasing man.

          • sagecreek

            God’s Holy Scripture? Well, that is up to interpretation, even in a Christian world, and there are plenty of people of faith who are not Christians. Are you preparing your children to live and work in a world with them?

            Look, you’re a small minded man, and that’s okay. That’s worked for you so far, but don’t cripple your children.

          • Scott Lanway

            Of course he’s going to intellectually cripple his children. His parents likely did it to him, so he thinks it’s A-OK to do it to his own kids—for whom I feel immense sadness.

          • sagecreek

            Yep. Ideally, they’ve find some way out.

          • sagecreek

            Do you think we should tell them that this is what we do while we’re waiting for our programs to load? They seem so INVESTED :)

          • youngoldbones .

            Then you have had a “program loading” for over three hours at a time and over the course of a few days. Perhaps its time to upgrade your computer from your old Apple IIe.

          • sagecreek

            My perverted behaviors? I’m an old heterosexual married woman. I just don’t have any tolerance for the hatred that goes on here, and yes, that you are promoting.

          • shepetgene

            sagecreek, I love having you here. Thank you for being a rational voice amongst a cacophony of ludicrous, bigoted statements.

          • Dannyboy

            Yeh, if a person disagrees with same sex marriage, he or she is a “hater”. Were your parents or grandparents ever against same sex marriage 50 or 100 years ago? If so, they were “haters”. Abe Lincoln was a hater! FDR was a hater because he did not introduce a bill to allow same sex mariage. Anyone who disagrees with homosexual sex education is a “hater”. Everyone who does not agree with what homosexuals want is a right-wing Christian extremist, including those Christian atheists and Christian Jews.

          • sagecreek

            Wake up, baby. It’s 2014. I had ancestors that held slaves. I am a member of the DAR, and many of them slaughtered Native Americans.

            We are a country that grows and develops. Wake up, smell the coffee and GROW. I guarantee that you know gay people. Perhaps some of your children or nieces or nephews. WAKE UP and stop being the ugly guy.

          • youngoldbones .

            We’d rather uphold God’s standard than get down in the immoral morass that constitutes Man’s “morality”. No thank you. You’ll never know how ugly your cause, because you want man’s approval and not God’s.

          • sagecreek

            I guess I’m trying to understand why you are so ugly about this.

            You know someone who is gay. You are related to someone who is gay. You know it’s true.

            Why so ugly? Why this, of all things? Why aren’t you posting against fraud, or lying, or murder? Why this?

          • youngoldbones .

            Its homosexuality that is unspeakably ugly. It is narcissistic and unnatural, a corruption of Gods natural order. As it says in the Bible, it is abomination.

          • shepetgene

            Not “everyone” who disagrees is a “right-wing Christian extremist,” just the majority of people on this particular right-wing Christian extremist website.

          • Dannyboy

            My 97 year-old grandmother is a Democrat and supported FDR and is a Christian, but she does not approve of same sex marriage. I won’t visit her in the nursing home because she is a “hater” and a right-wing Republican. I told her that she is a “hater”, but she does not understand that in this modern day and age you must believe in same sex marriage or you will burn in Hell.
            What an old fart! She won’t join the pro-homosexual group Human Rights Campaign. What a “hater” she is. I hate grandma because she is a hater. I hate myself too because I hate a hater. Like most homosexuals, I don’t even know the meaning of the word “hate” anymore. Like homosexuals, I just throw it around because it sounds good. Is it a hate crime to use the word hate or to not use it? Homosexuals, please let us know.

          • Scott Lanway

            You fail at satire, humor, and basic humanity.

          • sagecreek

            You’re wrong, honey. It’s hard to face it, but you’re wrong. You can keep on complaining in your ever-shrinking social group, but you’ve lost.

            You can lose gracefully, or you can go screaming. I’m guessing you’ll do the latter, but it won’t matter. You have lost.

          • Scott Lanway

            Of course they’re gonna go screaming. Screaming is all they do.

          • sagecreek

            Yep. I just worry about their home-schooled children, but they’ll figure it out soon enough if they’re smart at all.

          • youngoldbones .

            Haha ha, if we’ve lost then YOU have truly lost, because when a nation loses all semblance of common sense and morality then it means it is under the judgement of God, and he has given them up to their vile affections and immorality. That you celebrate this means that YOU are right there lost with them.

          • sagecreek

            Well, I think we have won, in a world where we acknowledge that God loves people of all faiths and colors and sexual orientations. Apparently you disagree, and I’m very glad that you have lost.

          • Guest

            You’re a daft old harpie. Why are you here?

          • youngoldbones .

            So intolerance like that contained in the Bible. Are you going to impugn the word of God? You think you know better than God?
            Tell him so, you’ll meet him one day. Ask him why he created women at all if he wanted narcissistic lustful men to cavort in the streets having sex in full view of children.

          • sagecreek

            Wow. That was amazing. You really are an Old Testament kind of guy, aren’t you?

            My God made me with a brain. And no, it does not encompass intolerance. Have fun, though.

          • youngoldbones .

            Man has a fallen moral compass, living by Man’s idea of morality is a sure path to ever greater corruption, as we see ourselves drifting into these days as the Bible is discarded.

    • youngoldbones .

      Oh, and everyone knows that there are few people more bitchy and cruel than homosexuals, even in their own (homosexual) plays and media homosexuals recognize, and speak about the capacity for homosexuals to bully and castigate people in order to calm their own demons and frustrations.

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        I have no demons. You continue to stereotype and judge people that you do not understand.

        • thisoldspouse

          What do you think of the highly irreverent “hunky Jesus” contest in San Francisco, where obscene displays of disrespect are shown to the center of Christendom, to which a super-majority of Americans subscribe?

          • youngoldbones .

            Homosexuals find pleasure in twisting everything around their filthy perversions. This is just another indicator that homosexuality is the corruption of God’s design for procreation and complimentary love and companionship of two persons of opposite gender by none other than the father of lies, who sought to corrupt Gods creation from the beginning, Satan himself. Look also how the homosexual movement appropriated gods covenant symbol, the rainbow, as their sexual banner. One corruption stacked on top of another.

          • Scott Lanway

            Your obsession with inventions like God and Satan is a little disturbing.

          • thisoldspouse

            I think most people would find you obsession with the anal opening quite repulsive.

          • Scott Lanway

            Sorry Spousy, I’m straight. But I do think it’s odd that you’re the first one to bring up anal…is there something you’d like to tell us?

          • thisoldspouse

            Yes, it’s disgusting and disease ridden. But the fact that you celebrate a carnival in the poop chute indicates that you’re anything but ‘straight.’

          • Scott Lanway

            Man, keep digging yourself deeper. Not interested in anal at all myself, but I am a little disturbed that you have such a fascination with it.

          • youngoldbones .

            We’re concerned that YOU are trying your best to get our kids involved in an anal obsessed culture. You swine.

          • sagecreek

            Your hatefulness is not helping your cause at all. You realize that, right? Of course you do. This is just all to get attention.

            Poor lonely old man.

          • thisoldspouse

            I told you, I’m NOT old, old woman!

          • Scott Lanway

            Well she can’t just call you “man” now, can she?

            Seriously, she can’t call you a man. You spew hate veiled in religion and hide behind a “not equal” sign. That’s not being a man, that’s being a coward.

          • thisoldspouse

            I get the Monte Python reference, but the irony is that homosexuals are coming to a decidedly Christian site to spew THEIR hate.

          • sagecreek

            I don’t believe you. I also think you haven’t had a bj in forever.

          • Scott Lanway

            Although let’s be honest, can you imagine anyone who’d be willing to give him one?

          • sagecreek

            Nope :)

            That’s why they’re all so angry!

          • youngoldbones .

            Wow, you’re a pig. Given that fact who cares what you think?

          • thisoldspouse

            And your fascination with God, whom you obviously despise, means exactly what?

          • Scott Lanway

            Why would I despise something that doesn’t exist except in some people’s minds?

          • thisoldspouse

            you respond to and mention something that “doesn’t exist” enough that I could have sworn that you have a fascination with it.

          • Scott Lanway

            Because they genuinely don’t exist? Gods are human inventions, used by primitives to explain the mysterious world around them, then passed down the generations through oral and later written tradition.

          • youngoldbones .

            homosexuals, the Mole-rat of the human race.

          • youngoldbones .

            One day you’ll answer to him and see that you are one of God’s inventions and not the other way around.

          • thisoldspouse

            It’s instructive that the object of their most visceral hatred and scorn is usually always Christ, and those who claim his name. I don’t know how much clearer it could be – WE are not their enemies, God himself is, and us by association.

            One of my homosexual friends once gave me a gift of a novelty coffee mug, with a depiction of Jesus on it and the inscription, “Jesus shaves.” I accepted it, but was shocked at how callous and unaware of how disrespectful that gesture was. I later smashed the mug into powder and threw it out, but I’m still leery regarding his thoughts about God. He’s a church go-er, Episcopal, but I don’t know what he worships at church.

          • shepetgene

            Again, who is the impersonal “they” you’re referring to? Many many gay people are Christian. Many come from Christian families and have Christian friends who they love and respect.

            You have one example of an act you view as being out of hate. Presumably the people putting this event on think it is funny. You don’t. Got it. Making it about “visceral hatred and scorn” seems like your own damage overlaid on top of the event.

          • thisoldspouse

            The question is do YOU think it’s funny?

            What if other writers made a parody play mocking Matthew Sheppard’s death. Would you think that if someone thought it was funny, you’d be indifferent to that?

          • shepetgene

            They don’t really appear to be mocking Jesus’ death. And the question isn’t really about what I think. I’m not making a claim about how an entire group feels about something based on one observation. What I think is irrelevant, because I am not the figurehead and mouthpiece for the gay rights movement.

          • thisoldspouse

            Oh, quit dodging the issue! I’m asking you your thoughts, which you most definitely have, about the irreverent, mocking “hunky Jesus” display put on by San Francisco homosexuals. You’re thoughts are NOT irrelevant, unless you refuse to reveal them.

          • thisoldspouse

            Okay, plead the 5th, like Lerner. Tells us more than if you opened your mouth.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            What do you think of the freaks from Westboro Baptist Church, where obscene displays of disrespect are shown to the center of Christendom, to which a super-majority of Americans subscribe?

        • thisoldspouse

          Hmmm…. No answer from the homosexual “Christian” OMHO?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I prefer just “Christian.” No one labels you a “straight Christian.” Try to be polite, Spouse.

  • Peter Quebbeman

    The woman is truly deluded by her hatred.

    • James

      Disagreement and hatred are not the same thing! When will people learn that?

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Angry over a program to stop bullying children is “disagreement?” You are as a delusional as she is.

        • youngoldbones .

          drip drip drip, the homosexual indoctrination comes one drip at a time.
          I’m so sorry that you cannot understand the larger implications of the homosexual game plan. The effort now is to win the “hearts and minds” next they will be wanting the body too.
          Most people can only see a fraction of the puzzle at any given moment,people like you. Gay activists just love people like you. You don’t have the scope and far reaching intellect to see the broader implications. You are just a pawn.

          • sagecreek

            LOL. There’s no agenda, sweetie. Promise.

          • thisoldspouse

            Your agenda is published. I’ll send you a link, but I’m sure you have it on your bookshelf at home, well marked.

          • shepetgene

            Spoiler alert: It will be a link to “After the Ball”, a book I’ve only heard of on this website and which has a reviews by exclusively anti-gay folks on Amazon.

          • thisoldspouse

            Yeah, “don’t pay any attention to that man behind the curtain.” Right?

          • shepetgene

            I think what I mean is there will always be extremists in any group (cf. everyone who writes essays on this website for the Christian comparison), pointing out the writings of one person outside of the actual context of the group means nothing. That book is not recognized by almost any gay person I’ve ever met outside of people who have seen it mentioned on sites like these. That book isn’t the man behind the curtain because that book would actually have to hold some power in the community and it does not.

          • thisoldspouse

            It’s funny that whenever someone is honest about what homosexuals are really after, you disclaim and distance them as “outliers,” when they represent the core of the agenda.

            It’s rather obvious at this point, so stop embarrassing yourself. The cards are on the table, and you’re still bluffing.

          • shepetgene

            I would describe a book written in the late-80s that few gay people recognize as “an outlier”, yes. I’m not the one spouting a crackpot theory that there is some mysterious hidden agenda of the gay community to sexualize and recruit their kids and then destroy the family and all institutions of society that this website seems to promote. I’d be careful at whom I’m leveling the “embarrassing” jabs.

          • thisoldspouse

            There is no embarrassment in claiming an agenda, every political group has one – even conservatives. It’s not an epithet. So stop getting insulted that we recognize that homosexuals have a corporate agenda – they most certainly do. It may not be codified and written in one place (although it has been expressed in published works, such as After the Ball, but it’s so obvious that you have to be stupid to deny it.

          • shepetgene

            I’m not challenging your statement that the gay rights movement has goals. I’m challenging your position and spin on what those goals are. And your sources to back those claims.

          • thisoldspouse

            Okay, what are those goals (i.e., agenda)? Are they being reached? How? To what effect?

          • shepetgene

            Well I don’t speak for the entire gay rights movement, but a gay rights group like HRC has a fairly detailed website and section on “issues.” You might start by reading there. I would link you directly but this website takes hours to approve links and the HRC website is fairly easy to find via search engine.

          • thisoldspouse

            Wohooo!! A whole website dedicated to an agenda. Now we’re getting somewhere.

          • thisoldspouse

            By the way, I am familiar with and do utilize HRC’s website to do my shopping.

          • youngoldbones .

            The homosexual goal is to get to the children, their minds and their bodies.

          • shepetgene

            Again, I think you may be confusing pedophilia and homosexuality. Please consult a dictionary before commenting further with this argument.

          • youngoldbones .

            Suffice it to say there is considerable crossover between the two groups whether you like it or not.

          • youngoldbones .

            The agenda is to remake America into a state with the same sexual morays as Ancient Greece.

          • sagecreek

            Six messages from you in half an hour?

            Sorry, honey, I’m taken :)

    • thisoldspouse

      Proof that sanity appears truly insane to the insane.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Yes that would describe your support of this person.

        • thisoldspouse

          LOL!!! You think that homosexual sodomy is sane. Dr. Kinsey, is that you?

          • sagecreek

            I’ve told you many times, Spousy, I am heterosexual. I am so sorry that you don’t get any BJs, but that doesn’t mean you get to be ugly and grouchy to everyone else.

          • youngoldbones .

            You are a reprobate apologist.

          • David Mora

            Not just Dr. Kinsey. That is actually the official position of every major medical and psychological organization in the U.S. But hey, I mean, they just have medical degrees, training, education, and years of study in the subject, I’m sure they don’t know it as well as you do.

          • thisoldspouse

            All anyone needs to do is observe the deranged behavior at “gay pride” parades and street fairs to know how pathological these deviants are.

            I don’t need “doctors” telling me otherwise.

          • David Mora

            Right, just like the Westboro Baptist Church proves that all Christians are deranged hate mongers who celebrate the pain and suffering of others?

          • thisoldspouse

            Westboro aren’t Christians, they are democrats.

          • tomd

            The majority of Democrats are Christians too.

          • youngoldbones .

            Not according to their political platform where over half of them attempted to BOO God out of their party. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat again.

          • tomd

            The majority of Democrats identify as Christian. And they take the first amendment seriously, which is why they don’t like any sense that one religion is preferred over another.

          • youngoldbones .

            One would almost think that the media pay the Westboro Baptist Church to act in this way. Maybe they do.

          • David Mora

            Right, it couldn’t possibly be that Christians have the same issues with extremists that every other group of humans does, no, clearly it’s an evil conspiracy by the media! *eyeroll*

          • shepetgene

            In summary: I don’t need educated people who take an overarching view of a topic and a multitude of information to make a decision to complicate my view of something based off of one observation. Ah, so you just don’t like science. Got it.

          • youngoldbones .

            the APA is overrun with homosexuals, you would expect them to publish anything else. OH by the way, had you heard about the hastily withdrawn, after great public outcry, the paper that the APA published that stated that child sexual experience is not harmful to all children and might in the case of boys prove beneficial? Yeah, they withdrew that because the public FREAKED OUT! Yeah thats what I would expect a cadre of queers to come up with. Excuses and rationales for pederasty against young boys.

          • David Mora

            Right, the gays, which make up ~3% of the population, have somehow managed to completely take over every single major medical and psychological organization in the U.S. in a massive conspiracy, and the poor 73% of Americans that are Christian are just so abused and maligned by that 3%.

            Is that what you seriously believe? Because if so, does that mean you think the 3% that are homosexual are more efficient, educated, and in control than the 79% that are Christian, to the point where they could take over all the major medical and psychological organizations and poor abused Christians (who make up a clear and overwhelming majority of the population) were helpless to do anything about it.

            Might as well claim that reptilians have taken over everything, it would be about as credible a claim.

          • youngoldbones .

            Fascist movements are generally undertaken by a small aggressive distinct minority. That has always been the case. Most people merely stand aside or do nothing because they prefer not to “get involved”. This is exactly how Germany was subverted by a tiny group called the “Nazis” as well as the other fascists in Italy. Learn history, and you will see that tiny factions of a country can end up changing the national tide and overtaking control.

          • David Mora

            You should reread your history. The Nazi Party was one of the largest political parties in Germany prior to their takeover

            The votes that the Nazis received in the 1932 elections established the Nazi Party as the largest parliamentary faction of the Weimar Republic government. They were the largest party of the Reichstag by a wide margin.

            By the 1933 Federal Election around 44% of the votes by German citizens were for the Nazi party.

          • youngoldbones .

            Not in the beginning, it started small, a Hitler was even arrested. However dissatisfaction and poverty allotted Hitlers movement new converts, by the time he had gained enough power the sheep of the land, those without courage or fortitude to resist came along side and pretended to believe as the Nazis did to gain power employment and acceptance.

            That’s pretty much where we are right now with the gay movement. It’s grown in power, have powerful friends, and the sheep who don’t want to lose their jobs, influence and social acceptability pretend to go along, to keep their status intact.

            Don’t you presume to tell me about history in Germany, my mother lived through it.
            The homosexuals are the fascists now. Unless we stop appeasing their demands they will not stop pushing their evil agenda and preventing the reading of Gods word, because it offends them, that the scripture of Hod condemns their sin, so their target will be any Christian who does not recant of the scriptures which describe homosexual behavior as sin.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Hatred is sanity, yeah and war is peace, freedom is slavery.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Hatred is sanity, yeah and war is peace, freedom is slavery.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Hatred is sanity, yeah and war is peace, freedom is slavery.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Hatred is sanity, yeah and war is peace, freedom is slavery.

  • tomd

    The desperate cry of a bigot losing her fight to get others to support her bigotry. “You’re not listening to me! Why is no one listening to me?”

    Soon she will slip into that twilight known as “the crackpot aunt that no one wants to talk to anymore”.

    • youngoldbones .

      What you people want is access to OUR kids, you are not entitled to redefining normality for their young impressionable minds.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        Yep. They really do want our kids. And not just their minds. Their bodies too.

        • youngoldbones .

          I just hope that parents will rise up and quash this! They go too far!
          One day they will answer for it!

          • sagecreek

            Yeah, they’ll answer for it when their kids go out into the world and learn that it’s completely fine for gay people to actually be gay. And then they’ll stop coming home to visit the bigoted old people so often.

            Look, you can learn and grow, or you can stagnate, but the latter choice has some ugly consequences.

          • youngoldbones .

            They’ll answer for it before God. Leading children into sin is evil.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Jesus after all said it would be better to tie a millstone around your neck and toss yourself into the sea before you hurt a child.

            Only a complete imbecile would think teaching sexual behavior to a child or even going so far as trying to make it possible to legally molest a child isn’t hurting them.

          • Boo

            Matthew T. Mason- then its a good thing the Day of Silence isn’t about that, isn’t it? You have a perverted mind.

          • youngoldbones .

            Its one piece of the puzzle that homosexual advocates use to achieve the overthrow of all reservations against homosexuality.

          • Boo

            And this is bad because…?

          • youngoldbones .

            Homosexuality is sin, it corrupts the purpose of sex, it causes bodily destruction and disease, it is a perverted lifestyle that harms individuals both physically and mentally and it is a detriment to society.

            Recently a comedian who served on a cruise ship disclosed that he performed during Gay Cruise excursions and he said they were the most unhappy group of people ever to perform for.

      • sagecreek

        I have my own kids, thanks. Don’t want yours.

    • James

      Bigot–anyone who dares to disagree with a liberal.

      • tomd

        No, bigot has a specific definition. This isn’t it.

        • youngoldbones .

          It does have a specific definition, too bad the liberals have destroyed its true meaning by applying it to anyone who doesn’t want to get on board with their immoral agenda. While our founding fathers were embarrassed and felt like hypocrites about slavery you can rest assured that they would NEVER have considered as bigotry the kind of excuse for base immorality as you liberals define it.
          You know what? I used to vote Democrat too. NEVER AGAIN!

    • thisoldspouse

      I’m sure her books are outselling your books.

      • Scott Lanway

        Bulk sales don’t count, Spousy.

        • thisoldspouse

          Even so.

  • ReidDA

    You could say the same about indoctrination with parents and their children on religion.

    • James

      Except that Christian children are not taught to oppress, attack, or to destroy the lives of anyone who dares to disagree with them.

      • ReidDA

        they aren’t? Just a quick review of the comments on the national organization for marriages Facebook page shows that to be false.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          No. They aren’t. Try again.

        • youngoldbones .

          We seek to protect OUR children from the corrupting influence of those given over to evil. i.e. those who support the sin of homosexuality.

          • sagecreek

            Yeah, you “protect” them by beating the heck out of gay kids. I’m sure Jesus is proud.

          • youngoldbones .

            Yeah, I think it’s been proven on many occasions that homosexuals beat each other up, they like it, it’s called sadomasochism, when they go to far and have to go to the hospital they just blame some stranger who supposedly beat them up for being gay, when in fact it was their sex partner who beat him, and with consent as well.

          • shepetgene

            Uh…sadomasochism is not exclusive to the gay community. I don’t even understand what your obsession with sadomasochism. Was there like a rash of gay people claiming the fallout from engaging in sadomasochism was “gay bullying” because I missed those news stories?

          • youngoldbones .

            I guess you did, cause there’s a long article delineating all the false stories of supposed homophobes beating poor little gay men up. Right. Even the Matthew Shepard case was a lie! He was a drug dealer and one of his assailants was also a homosexual. This was revealed by a homosexual author no less, in his book called the book of Matthew. All lies, all trumpeted up to force hate crime legislation giving advantages and special protection to homosexuals that strip rights away from average persons who protest their influence.

          • Scott Lanway

            Stephen Jimenez’s book used questionable sources and dismissed confirmed accounts of homophobic behavior by the little shits who murdered Shepard. His reporting was shoddy at best and should be taken seriously.

          • youngoldbones .

            The author is himself homosexual, the only thing “questionable” is the ability of homosexuals to accept the truth about themselves.

          • Scott Lanway

            Gay, straight, bi, trans, whatever—the desire to make a quick buck is universal, and that seems to be the driving factor in his work.

          • youngoldbones .

            Sounds like you’re slandering this man. Where’s your proof?

          • Scott Lanway

            Jimenez slanders himself with his hatchet job. He doesn’t need my help.

          • youngoldbones .

            Again prove it.

          • Boo

            Youngoldbones- the murderers themselves have consistently admitted they targeted Sheppard because he was gay. If they had painted it as a drug deal gone bad they would not have been charged with a hate crime and their sentences would not have been as harsh. You would have us believe that these murderers lied specifically so they could get punished more. That strains credulity.

          • youngoldbones .

            Well since one of the murderers was himself involved in homosexuality it is not surprising that he targeted Shepard for being gay. As I said it usually turns out that both the victim and the aggressor are homosexuals.
            Also, whats this I hear about Matthew Shepard having molested two 8 year old boys during his life?

          • youngoldbones .

            Yes, it should be taken seriously, I agree. When a homosexual tells the truth about the lies told to change the dialog around sexual perversion I sit up and take notice. Glad you agree.

          • Scott Lanway

            Sorry Bonehead, but BDSM (the correct term) is not strictly limited to LGBT couples.

          • youngoldbones .

            Yes but you have a ready scape goat. Gay man walks into a hospital and says:Dr. So and so, I was walking down the street and these big burley boys came along and beat me up. They were homophobes, oh and Dr. Call the press won’t you, this will make the news.

          • Boo

            youngoldbones- you probably heard it from the same source that told me you like to rape babies.

          • youngoldbones .

            I slander is your only recourse to the truth it merely shows not only your moral bankruptcy but also that you are out of facts.

          • Boo

            No, see, if you choose to slander murder victims, you don’t have the moral high ground to accuse other people of slander. You are a disgusting excuse for a human bring.

          • youngoldbones .

            No, see Boo, you don’t get to redefine what the word Slander means. Slander is reserved for those tales which are NOT true. Unfortunately for your contentions my earlier statements about Matthew Shepard ARE true.

            http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/03/02/Jason-Collins-Matthew-Shepard-and-the-Noble-LieHis parents called him the Bad Karma Kid for all his lousy luck. But others lacking parental bias might have left out the “karma” and just called Matthew Shepard a bad kid. At just 21, Shepard compressed several suicide attempts, an HIV diagnosis, addiction, underworld drug-trafficking activities, and an arrest for child molestation into his short life. “At age fifteen Matthew was arrested for molesting two eight-year-old boys in his Caspar neighborhood,” Jimenez reports.

          • Boo

            Sorry, but passing off a bunch of third hand hearsay accusations off as fact does indeed meet the definition of slander. Especially when said accusations don’t fit the known facts of the case. Why would the killers deliberately falsify their accounts of the crime in order to enhance their own sentences?

          • youngoldbones .

            Calling the evidence, “third hand hearsay” does nothing to dispel the fact that Shepard sexually molested 2 eight year old boys. And you should also consider the fact that this book which reveals the truth about the Matthew Shepard case, was written by a homosexual author who had endeavored to highlight the case as he had understood it as presented in the media, but he could not ignore that the facts did not support the official story, surprisingly this author though himself homosexual saw fit nevertheless to print the facts of the case. Good for him, I’m sure he’s taken a great deal of fallout from his own community for his efforts to reveal the truth.

          • youngoldbones .

            His parents called him the Bad Karma Kid for all his lousy luck. But others lacking parental bias might have left out the “karma” and just called Matthew Shepard a bad kid. At just 21, Shepard compressed several suicide attempts, an HIV diagnosis, addiction, underworld drug-trafficking activities, and an arrest for child molestation into his short life. “At age fifteen Matthew was arrested for molesting two eight-year-old boys in his Caspar neighborhood,” Jimenez reports. “According to a relative of one of the boys, Matthew received counseling to help him deal with the incident; he’d also attempted suicide and been hospitalized, she said.” When Aaron McKinney murdered Matthew Shepard, among the many things he took from his victim was the ability to transition from a tumultuous youth into a decent adulthood.
            Jimenez interviewed numerous people who affirm that McKinney, a male hustler known in Denver’s gay bars, had sex with Matthew Shepard on numerous occasions, rendering false the mythology that a homophobic stranger bent on killing a gay man targeted the diminutive University of Wyoming student for his sexuality. Jimenez talked to several law-enforcement officers who vouch that police surveillance caught McKinney having sex with other men on two occasions, a bartender at a gay club who volunteered that McKinney frequently turned tricks for his patrons, and a former lover of Shepard’s who participated in group sex with Shepard and McKinney on multiple occasions.

          • Boo

            In other words, all you have is yet more third party hearsay. And an inability to explain why his killers would have told what you allege is the truth to get a lighter sentence. And you guy wonder why you’re losing so badly?

          • youngoldbones .

            These are the facts of the case. Matthew Shepard had a past that included sexual molestation of young boys, drug dealing,

          • youngoldbones .

            Remember Adam Walsh? Little son of the man who hosted the show “Americas Most Wanted” he too was killed by a homosexual, Ottis OToole, lover of Henry Lucas. Together those two made up a tag team of serial killings that spanned a large portion of the country.

            Oh wait, but in your book all that evidence is just hearsay, right?
            Anyone who gives the facts behind a crime, those people are all spouting hearsay

          • Boo

            What does any of that have to do with Mathew Sheppard?

          • youngoldbones .

            Isn’t it a shame that you people and your media cohorts hadn’t been more careful when painting Shepard as the typical victim of so called homophobic crime? In your rush to paint a fiction around his life and death, as the facts come to light, you don’t after all get the poster boy you wanted, instead the homosexual movement gets the poster boy they deserve.

            A HIV riddled child molestor selling/using meth murdered for his money/drugs by a former homosexual lover.

          • youngoldbones .

            What you call “slander” a court of law called evidence.

          • Boo

            Actually, no. Hearsay it not accepted as evidence in courts. Sorry, you fail yet again.

          • youngoldbones .

            For the molestation of 2 eight year old boys Shepard was forced to undergo therapy, so says the parents of the aforementioned children. That being said, a judge in the matter apparently saw the matter as evidence against Matthew Shepard and not as you say, “slander”
            Perhaps you would refer to verbal documentation of Jeffrey Dahmers multiple heinous crimes as “Slander” as well?

            The only “fail” taking place in this discussion is your failure to face facts, and see that you support a corrupted lifestyle that fosters any number of despicable crimes and acts against nature.

          • Boo

            And once again you provide no documentation. You like failing that much?

          • youngoldbones .

            I’m not a lawyer, you’re not a judge. The facts of this case have been published and by a homosexual author no less. I pasted a paragraph from the book, “The book of Matthew” so you have seen “documentation” that I have provided. If you want to know the facts, which you obviously don’t, get off your lazy @ss and read it for yourself.

          • Boo

            Nope. What has been published is 3rd hand hearsay. Stamping your little foot and insisting otherwise does not change that fact. You got nothing. And you know it.

          • youngoldbones .

            ROFL, the only “foot stamping” is coming from your quarter.

          • Boo

            Dude, when your bluff is called, trying to continue to bluff is incredibly silly. What do you have besides 3rd hand hearsay? What actual evidence do you have? List it. Let’s see it. You won’t of course, because you have nothing. And we both know it.

          • youngoldbones .

            I provided documentation and sources, that is apparent to anyone else reading this thread, the only “fail” here is your unwillingness to face facts.

          • youngoldbones .

            http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/03/02/Jason-Collins-Matthew-Shepard-and-the-Noble-Lie

            No, see Boo, you don’t get to redefine what the word “Slander” means, slander is a word reserved for tales which are not true. Unfortunately for your contentions here, the statements I made earlier about Shepard sexually molesting 2 eight year old boys, that statement is true. Go to the link above and check the facts for yourself.

            You waste a lot of energy defending the wrong people. Most people consider child molestors to be the “disgusting human beings” not you though huh?

      • tomd

        Unless someone’s gay. Then it’s open season.

        • youngoldbones .

          What rot. Most people who dislike homosexuals steer clear of them. You can’t force people to like you or associate with you. That being said, plenty of Christians are friends with homosexuals, while at the same time if you asked we would tell you, I like you, I enjoy your company, but you are living a sinful lifestyle. Most of us do not say as much. We should but we don’t. We hold our peace until we see that the aim of your lead advocacy is to destroy the family and incite moral corruption in our children. At that point YOU must be spoken too.

          Oh and BTW, it is pretty well known that most so called anti gay hate crimes? Are in actuality harm that comes to homosexuals men from other homosexual men. Sadism and Masochism is big in the gay community.

          • sagecreek

            So, you people come on here talking about how we should kill all the gays, and you don’t think your children are hearing that?

            Okey dokey. You’re fooling yourselves.

          • youngoldbones .

            Typical lies told from devotee of the father of lies.

          • sagecreek

            LOL.

          • Scott Lanway

            I think Bones here should get into standup. He’d be a riot.

          • fliteking

            Wow champington, you OK? (Nah, we know you are a mess)

            I think the only people in favor of killing the harmless and innocent on the page are liberals.

      • usorthem3

        Tell that to the gay people of Uganda being taught by their Christian parents that is is indeed justified to beat/kill gay people. In Haiti last summer, Protestant Christians beat two men to death they only thought were gay.

        • youngoldbones .

          Again, Uganda had that law against homosexuality LOOONG before you homosexuals decided to blame Lively for that. In fact the so called death penalty was reserved for homosexuals with AIDS who rape little boys. Or are you okay with raping little boys and giving them AIDS? I never know with you people what you find acceptable.

          • Boo

            youngoldbones- sorry, but once again you don’t know what you are talking about. The legislation as proposed would have included the death penalty for anyone who had gay sex more than once.

          • youngoldbones .

            Again that is incorrect, the death penalty was reserved for homosexual pederasts with AIDS who rape little boys. Period.

          • Boo

            Sorry youngoldbones, you should try actually reading the proposed legislation. It specified the death penalty for “aggravated homosexuality” which included “anyone who is a serial offender.” Lying about what it said won’t make that go away, Deal with it.

          • usorthem3

            Ask a Catholic priest that question. I am not a terrorist, I am not a child molester, I do not have sex with animals or dead people( although it is legal in LA but SODOMY is not). I am not a murderer or any of the other things said about me daily.

          • youngoldbones .

            Your point being?

          • Boo

            I don’t know about his point but my point is that you are a shameless liar. And everyone know it.

          • youngoldbones .

            Well your point is totally invalid Boo, and made solely to defend the indefensible.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Wow such a lack of self awareness. You have personally shown your propensity to attack and throw hatred at those who disagree with you on virtually every post you make.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Wow such a lack of self awareness. You have personally shown your propensity to attack and throw hatred at those who disagree with you on virtually every post you make.

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Wow such a lack of self awareness. You have personally shown your propensity to attack and throw hatred at those who disagree with you on virtually every post you make.

    • Hoppyman50

      I think there’s a flaw in you comparison, one it’s a school making them participate, while a parent a child are a family and a parent has the right to raise their child as they see fit. Or do you disagree with that? That was a wicked foolish comment.

    • Guest

      You could say that, but you’d be wrong.

  • thisoldspouse

    If some children who think they identify as homosexual just spontaneously want to propagandize on a specific day would be one thing. The entire point of this article is that this is a massive propaganda campaign foisted upon children by outside homosexual adult parties. Such perverted adult interference used to properly be considered highly illegal and worthy of prison time. I’m picturing dirty old men in beat-up vans parked at the curb behind a school offering candy to innocent children walking by.

    They are perverts and should be arrested.

  • Peter Quebbeman

    You fundies are irrational, hateful bigots.

    • sagecreek

      Well, yeah. Did anyone doubt that?

  • sagecreek

    This is pretty stupid. I am far more worried about the gay kids getting beaten up.

    • youngoldbones .

      They dont get beaten up by straights, unless perhaps they harass straight young men. I have read tales of homosexuals raping straight men, it happens. even in the Military. Straight guys have a right to defend themselves from someone who invades their personal space, in the same way that a girl has that right.

      I have heard in the past of a straight guy who was raped by a couple of gay men and choked to death on the ball gag that they used to silence him.

      And I DARE you creek, to look up JASON SHEPARD MURDER to find out just how harmless homosexuals really are. And look up Jessie Dirkhising while you’re at it. These are the news stories that are SUPPRESSED by our media.

      If you don’t look up these stories and make a comment on them I will know that you are a coward who has no appetite for the truth.

      • shepetgene

        1. Jason Shepard – that story is tragic but I don’t see the comparison to Matthew Shepard other than in name. That latter became famous because he was targeted for his sexuality versus the former where he was killed in an attempted rape. He wasn’t targeted for his political or religious views. And it does sound terrible and his murderer deserves to be in jail. He is one gay person. I would not claim the entire straight male community is sick and depraved because there are individual straight men that have raped and murdered women.

        2. Jessie Dirkhising – the same comment above stands, one incident does not make a generalization for an entire group of people. Moreover he was 13 so these men might be more aptly described as pedophiles. That is different than homosexuality.

        3. “They dont get beaten up by straights, unless perhaps they harass straight young men.” – I’m sorry are you just willfully ignoring national and international news? There are pretty consistent stories about people being beaten up all the time without an provocation. Linda Harvey lives in Columbus, OH. There were three instances in a month one period just last summer in Columbus where gay men were beaten while minding their own business. It might be that you are using confirmation bias to support your own desire for the whole gay-bashing phenomenon to be a hoax because a few instances of people faking incidents.

        • youngoldbones .

          The truth is that Matthew Shepard was not targeted for his sexuality. The proof is all in the book “The book of Matthew” which despite written by a homosexual man, shows that Matthew was a drug dealer, and was targeted because it was believed he had drugs they could steal. In addition one of the young men was himself a homosexual. So No. Matthew Shepard was NOT targeted because he was homosexual, all these lies were trumpted up with the complicity of the media all in an effort to force gay hate crime legislation.

          • shepetgene

            I think the actual “truth” is we will never know. Because neither you nor I were there. That book seems to be very contentious and I don’t see how it’s “truths” are any more “true” than the “truths” of others who have written about this incident. I’m not sure what your side gets out of vilifying Matthew Shepard. If he were the single victim of gay-bashing I’d understand the point maybe, but at this point we’re passed the point where suddenly vilifying him is going to mean anything.

          • youngoldbones .

            Well here is some additional truth for you to sink your teeth into. Matthew Shepard sexually molested 2 eight year old boys.
            And as for legitimate “hate crimes” against homosexuals, it turns out that they are few and FAR between. Here are the facts, homosexuals FAKE the majority of the so called “hate crimes” oft times homosexuals harm one another, as in the case of a Matthew Shepard, and then they report it to the police and spread the lie that unknown homophobic bigots beat them up. Other times Sadomasochistic tendencies cause severe harm amongst homosexuals engaging in harmful bondage games, and again, in shame they report the harm done to them as not consensual sex gone wrong, but hate crime. What rot! No straight wants to beat homosexuals, no one wants to touch them.

          • shepetgene

            I think we part ways here. I’m going to continue to live in the real world. Please continue to live in your anti-gay worldview.

            There are instances of gay men forcing themselves on straight men, there are instances of people faking anti-gay attacks, etc. There are also instances of straight people doing awful things too. Because there are people that do awful things. But using a few cases to deny that anti-gay violence exists is willfully denying reality.

            Have a lovely day.

          • youngoldbones .

            So far what you call “reality” has proven to be an illusion.

            Even the vaunted innocence of Matthew Shepard gives way to the fact that he sexually molested eight year old boys. So forgive me if I can’t weep over the non existent “victims of anti gay violence” I’ll save my tears for the innocent children who’ve been sexually abused by homosexuals.

        • youngoldbones .

          They were pederasts. Homosexual pedophiles. They were homosexual lovers between themselves and they raped a young boy. What part of Pederast dont you understand? The boy was sodomized to death.

          Here his parents trusted these homosexual men. And look where it got them. Their son raped and murdered because they believed the lie that homosexuals are harmless to children. They are not.

          • shepetgene

            Again, one instance does not make a generalization correct. “Trusted THESE homosexual men…believed the lie that homosexuals are harmless to children. They are not”

            Did you hear about that lesbian couple whose child was taken away from them and given back to the birth parents? The birth father was alone with the child for an hour and the child died. All birth parents are dangerous to their children and lesbian mothers would be much more capable of raising them safely.

            That statement is ludicrous. You see, because I made a generalization of two groups based off of one instance. What those men did was horrible. They should be jailed. Their crime cannot be generalized to the entire gay community.

          • youngoldbones .

            Want me to name several more instances where homosexuals were given adoption custody of children where homosexual “fathers” not only sexually abused their adopted sons, but prostituted them to their homosexual friends as well? If want I can.

            Even if a homosexual couple doesnt end up harming an adopted child physically they are nevertheless causing great harm to that child psychologically.

  • sagecreek

    In Galveston last month, a man murdered his daughter and her girlfriend because they dared to be gay.

    I know someone who disowned his own daughter because she is gay. He’s Jehovah’s Witness, thinks he’s doing God’s work. Do you think he is? I don’t think so. What is wrong with you people?

  • sagecreek

    So, you Barbwire folks are pro-bullying?

    • David Mora

      Like that’s anything new. They’ve been pretty open about that, so long as the victims are gays.

    • youngoldbones .

      There should be zero tolerance for any kind of bullying. There is no need to teach my Children the homosexual methods of having sex to do that. And by the way, Most children are bullied for myriad reasons that have NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Heck, kids in grade school arent even that aware of homosexuality, but GLSEN wants to get into the grade schools so they can warp young minds. Indoctrination is best started early with young impressionable malleable minds.

  • Ronald Freitas

    it’s not okay to be gay

    • thisoldspouse

      Sure it is. It’s not okay to practice homosexual sodomy, though.

      • sagecreek

        How about heterosexual sodomy? Is that different?

        • thisoldspouse

          No.

          • sagecreek

            Well, then I am apparently an abomination too! And I’m an old white heterosexual woman who pays lots of taxes.

            I really don’t want to be that person who calls you an idiot, but…yeah. You’re an idiot.

          • thisoldspouse

            I’m sure calling me an idiot really galls you, but I find it very honoring coming from you.

          • sagecreek

            Thank you, sir. It was a fitting epithet.

          • youngoldbones .

            Yes coming from a reprobate apologist like you, any intended insult from you is really a badge of honor.
            It also shows that you’re getting rattled and running out of idea. Which is not at all surprising.

          • sagecreek

            When was the last time you got oral, honey?

            That explains a lot, frankly.

          • youngoldbones .

            Man, you talk like a swine. Your mind is in the gutter.

      • tomd

        Why not?

        • thisoldspouse

          Because I said so.

          • David Mora

            And your side wonders why you lose every single court case.

          • thisoldspouse

            Nevada? No.

            Exaggerate much?

          • David Mora

            You mean the case that is on appeal, and which is going to be moot seeing as the State Constitution is in the process of being amended to allow gay marriage (which should be completed in 2015)?

          • thisoldspouse

            No, I’m saying that you are lying when you say that “every single court case” loses for real marriage. Prop 8 won EVERY case and appeal up through the California Supreme Court.

            Then they gave it to a sodomite district court judge who wanted to “marry” his long-time partner. Yeah, no bias there.

          • youngoldbones .

            You and God and any number of clinicians fighting AIDS also say so.

    • sagecreek

      But it is. It’s okay to be exactly the way God made us.

    • usorthem3

      If you are allowed to claim that, then I have the same right to say being Christian is not OK as your religious dogma is not deeded supreme or law of the USA per the 1st Amendment.

      • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

        Two things:
        (1) The Judeo-Christian worldview is the foundational basis for morals, ethics and jurisprudence in the USA.
        (2) Christianity is not dogma. It is based on the life, death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

        • tomd

          #1: No.

          #2: Second sentence is accurate.

        • usorthem3

          It takes no religion to understand treat others as you wish to be treated, it only takes being human.

      • Guest

        1. We outnumber you 100-1.
        2. The USA is made-up.
        3. Flesh is temporary.

    • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

      EX-gay is OK….and trendy, too!
      Google mamaditto.

  • Dannyboy

    The radical left has been brainwashing kids since the 1960′s. Now they have been joined by the radical homosexuals. “Get ‘em while they’re young.” That is their aim. You can tell homosexuals until you are blue in the face that they are teaching young boys to feel good about the prospect of someday putting their ***** up another man’s ****, but they won’t care. To them, it’s all just healthy “sex education.”
    What, say the homosexuals, don’t you want kids to be safe from disease when they put their ***** up someone guy’s **** for pleasure? Do you want the kids to get a diseases?
    When enough kids become bisexual, homosexuals will feel normal for a change. Right now, it’s really hard for homosexuals to feel normal. They need more of their type around. They need company. I doubt that any homosexual here will say that teaching boys homosexual sex is wrong. Watch.

    • shepetgene

      Subtle undertones of the recruitment theme. Nobody is recruiting anyone. If we were actively recruiting members we’d probably be infiltrating right-wing homophobic groups. It seems like a lot of the closeted gay men like to hang out there.

      • youngoldbones .

        Really? You’re not recruiting? Then why in MA did young boys in their classroom receive a pamphlet illustrated with techiques and slang for gay sex as well as places and addresses where sex with men can be found? Hmmm? That is OBVIOUS recruitment effort by homosexual elements acting in the school system in Massachusetts.

        • shepetgene

          Well you’d be describing one incident, certainly not the goals on an entire movement. That does sound disturbing, but your summary sounds like it may be filtered exclusively through an anti-gay news source. I’d love to actually see reporting on this incident. I’ll look for one, can you link me to a story about this especially if it has the pamphlet and the context and preferably isn’t through a website with explicitly anti-gay content (though if that’s all there is, I suppose that’s at least something)?

          • youngoldbones .

            Anti gay news sources are the only sources willing to trumpet these facts, Nevertheless other news sources do cover these incidents, they just bury them or state them once never to be repeated.

          • youngoldbones .

            I posted a link. GLSEN claims not to be responsible for it. HOWEVER, it matters not GLSEN batters down the defences and all manner or evil connected with homosexuality walks right into our school system. They ARE responsible for it. make no mistake. ANY kind of homosexual instruction, including homosexual sex techniques disguised as sex education does not belong in our schools.

            If the link is disallowed, just google Pamphlet Glsen and fisting , eventually you will find a link.

    • sagecreek

      What is wrong with you?

      I’m a heterosexual woman with sons. No, there is no gay agenda, there is no recruitment. You are crazy.

      • Dannyboy

        “You are crazy”. Typical response from the pro-homosexual side.

        • shepetgene

          What other response is there to someone who makes outlandish claims with no evidence to back them up? Sometimes a lot of what I see written on here and said in these posts is quite frankly “crazy.”

          • sagecreek

            I know, and I get too mean sometimes, I do. But c’mon, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

        • sagecreek

          Well, what other response is there, Danny? You are claiming that everything that science and biology tells us is just not so.

        • sagecreek

          C’mon, honey. What is it about the thought of those taut oiled male bodies that makes you so annoyed?

      • youngoldbones .

        Why don’t you just leave this conversation? You know nothing and you have no real point of view. You argue from total ignorance.

      • L1011

        Well there is kind of a gay agenda. It’s to give that troll Linda Harvey a makeover. She looks like the love child of a witch and an ogre.

    • youngoldbones .

      Yep, they just want more “playmates” to abuse and infect.

  • meredith

    I’m surprised you all don’t like Day of Silence, seeing as you want the liberals to just shut up anyways.

    • thisoldspouse

      Like most thing Liberals promote, it’s a lie. They’re really not “silent,” but are screaming for attention.

      • sagecreek

        Well, you’re screaming for attention. That’s clear.

  • Clint Batterton

    Surely, we can all agree that teenage suicide is a tragedy, and that bullying gay or lesbian young people is unacceptable behavior. Surely, no “Christian” parent wants their children to bully anyone. Efforts to curb bullying in order to prevent teen suicide is not going to “recruit” children to become gay, since there is no such thing as “recruiting” anyone to become sexually attracted to one sex or the other. The message to teenagers that “it gets better” is a universal truth – everyone who has survived their teenage years can surely agree with that. About 90% of us now know someone who is LGBT, and who is living a perfectly normal life. So, as usual, Linda is living in an alternative universe. I guess her message to gay young people would be that they are perverts who must somehow make themselves straight, or they deserve to die – not exactly a formula for saving children from suicide. And this is “Christian”? I think not.

    • sagecreek

      Excellent response.

    • http://www.mamaditto.com mamaditto

      Couldn’t disagree more. The DOS seeks to promote the LGBTQ image as normative adolescent sexual development, thus encouraging a “gay” identity at an early age. This despite Centers for Disease Control reports that 2% of the U.S. population engages in homosexual sodomy resulting in 63% of all HIV cases. Schools which allow this event are doing a disservice to youth. Does it make sense to advocate for a lifestyle choice proven to shorten one’s lifespan? Since it takes about 10 years for HIV to incubate, then AIDS patients in their twenties became infected during their childhood, which would therefore portend sexual abuse and/or rape. There could be legal ramifications for a school district’s responsibility in pushing a confused adolescent “over the brink” by creating a climate that regards sodomy as benign.

      Interestingly, as the DOS stumps for sexual minorities, it does not acknowledge or affirm FORMER homosexuals, who are despised by homoerotoc activists simply because they exist as living proof that homosexuality is not hardwired – it’s learned behavior.

      • Clint Batterton

        The American Psychological Ass’n, American Psychiatric Ass’n, the AMA, the counseling ass’n and the pediatricians all agree that being LGBT is not a “lifestyle choice” but is inborn. They have studied “reparative therapy” to change sexual orientation and declared it quackery. The largest “ex-gay” group, Exodus, has closed, apologizing to the gay community and admitting that they had a 99.9% failure rate in changing anyone’s sexual orientation. The “former” homosexuals appear to be self-deluded frauds. Our fundamentalist friends oddly declare homosexuality to be a horrible “lifestyle choice” which nonetheless is freely chosen by millions of people. Huh? For the thrill of being vilified and bashed? The anti-bullying programs do not “advocate” homosexuality but the acceptance of all children as they are or will be once they mature. Your paranoid suggestion that they are being infected by HIV in school is unsupported by any evidence.

        • youngoldbones .

          In fact there is NO such “agreement” your saying otherwise does not make it so.

          • shepetgene

            Here is a statement released in a pamphlet for people working schools, please note the medical endorsements below:

            “Despite the general consensus of major medical, health, and mental health professions that both heterosexuality and homosexuality are normal expressions of human sexuality, efforts to change sexual orientation through therapy have been adopted by some political and religious organizations and aggressively promoted to the public. However, such efforts have serious potential to harm young people because they present the view that the sexual orientation of lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth is a mental illness or disorder, and they often frame the inability to change one’s sexual orientation as a personal and moral failure.”

            This is endorsed by the following groups:
            American Academy of Pediatrics
            American Association of School Administrators
            American Counseling Association
            American Federation of Teachers
            American Psychological Association
            American School Counselor Association
            American School Health Association
            Interfaith Alliance Foundation
            National Association of School Psychologists
            National Association of Secondary School Principals
            National Association of Social Workers
            National Education Association
            School Social Work Association of America

          • shepetgene

            Here is a section in the AMA policy:
            H-160.991 Health Care Needs of the Homosexual Population.
            “c) opposes, the use of “reparative” or “conversion” therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.”

          • shepetgene

            Does them saying otherwise make it so?

        • WealthyNot

          Upon their change in policy, many members of APA quit the association. Your numbers on Exodus Int’l. are fabricated since thousands of former homosexuals recovered after their therapy and Christian influence. Homosex is not identiy,it is behavior. But all you need is ONE former homosexual to prove its validity. I have met couples with children today who were formerly practicing homos. BTW, use the word homosexual, never “gay.” It is not happy and joyous, but sick and deviation from God’s one and only standard.

          • Clint Batterton

            The APA decision you refer to was 40 years ago, and the mental health community is now unanimous in its conclusion that being gay is not a choice. I have “fabricated” nothing. Look up Alan Chambers’ comments on the internet. He closed down Exodus International, apologized to the gay community, and admitted that their failure rate in changing sexual orientation was 99.9%. Apparently, smacking an effigy of your mother with a baseball bat does not make a gay man sexually attracted to women (just one of the many wacko techniques of “reparative therapy.”). There is no evidence that there are “thousands” of legitimate “ex-gays,” and “one example” proves nothing. Most “ex-gays” are self-deluding frauds, or they are bisexual or are like the one guy out of thousands interviewed who told Kinsey he had been “cured,” in that he had quit gay sex and only thought of naked men when he masturbated. But there are probably 18-20 million LGBT Americans leading perfectly normal, ordinary lives in every corner of society and in our military, where they defend us with their lives. They are not sick or “deviant.” Probably 90% of the population now knows a “normal” gay co-worker, relative, friend or neighbor. Perhaps you live in a cave.

        • Susan

          That is an outright LIE. Even Kinsey, the pervert, knew it was a “fluid” lifestyle. The Twin studies and the Afghani Harem boys prove it is a learned behavior. People like Chastity Bono and Harry Hay and Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy were raped in childhood….and grew up to “practice” the behavior, they were recruited to by the emotions embedded during the rape.

          Homosexuality is a learned behavior and that is why the Homomafia is grooming children by teaching them that “Vice is Virtue” and conditioning them into “Pride” in anal sex. It has to be done early…..so the aversion to fecal matter and vulgarity is removed.

          They have to learn early, like the Samurai boys or the Afghani harem boys, so the have the Satanic worldview that excrement-wallowing is “normal” and Natural. Otherwise, if not conditioned into that “Pride”, they will be reviled by the behavior, as all normal people would be.

          This is all to flip “Good and Evil” in children–to erase Christian Ethics and the Natural Family and sexual morality, so the Satanic Ethics of Marxism can be installed in the formative years of the children—so they “think” just like the little sodomized boys in Afghanistan.

      • youngoldbones .

        Exactly and even that pervert Kinsey came to the conclusion that homosexuality is LEARNED behavior. not inborn.

        Thats why GLSEN want to foist their re-education on our children.

    • youngoldbones .

      You can stop bullying people without marinating my childs mind in homosexual propaganda. BTW, most kids are bullied for every reason one can think of, Damn few are bullied because they are “gay” particularly in the early grade school age group, but it is in the very young that homosexual activists want to do their most agressive propaganda.

  • Boo

    This article could have made all its salient points much more succinctly by just saying:
    “EEEEEKK!!! The world is changing and I can’t deal with it!”
    Just sayin.

    • sagecreek

      Well, that’s basically the mission statement of this entire site.

  • youngoldbones .

    Those are gay centered news organizations. Not only would I not visit these sites but one has to take into consideration that they do their level best to falsify and distort the truth to serve the interests of homosexuals. So I wouldnt expect anything truthful from them.

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  • Vicky Fisher

    What Day Of Silence has been around for about 19 years. In 19 more years Linda will still be whining and lamenting about Day of Silence in schools LOL.

    • thisoldspouse

      In 19 years, many of these children who have been talked into lives of sodomy will be dead from it.

      • sagecreek

        Dead from sodomy? You’ve been reading those x-rated pirate novels again, haven’t you?

        • youngoldbones .

          Of course a person can be sodomized to death, how stupid are you?

      • sagecreek

        Dead from sodomy? You’ve been reading those x-rated pirate novels again, haven’t you?

      • tomd

        Actually, there was a recent study that showed that people opposed to gay rights died sooner than average.

        • Guest

          Actually, no.

        • Kathy Q

          actually if that is true, why are anti-gays dying faster then the people who aren’t anti-gay? is it because they are filled with so much hate that it is killing them? or is it because all they think about is gays 24/7 lilke ‘thisoldspouse’ or peter labarbera, or even matt barber. he is so obsessed with the gays it is eating him up inside. his hatred causes him to write about us all the time. he even now draws cartoons about LGBTs. Sad.

          • sagecreek

            Well, quite possible. Anger is not good for the soul.

          • youngoldbones .

            Its well known and documented that homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy than the population at large. Your stats are patently false.

  • Vicky Fisher

    What Day Of Silence has been around for about 19 years. In 19 more years Linda will still be whining and lamenting about Day of Silence in schools LOL.

  • Vicky Fisher

    What Day Of Silence has been around for about 19 years. In 19 more years Linda will still be whining and lamenting about Day of Silence in schools LOL.

  • Vicky Fisher

    What Day Of Silence has been around for about 19 years. In 19 more years Linda will still be whining and lamenting about Day of Silence in schools LOL.

  • http://www.lesbiansinmysoup.com/ Katy

    Boohoo… Shame that we’ll never go back to the good old days where good Christians were free to abuse their fellow man, just like Jesus must have demanded in whatever weird version of the Bible they’re reading.

  • L1011

    Linda Harvey…bag your face, and gag me with a spoon. She is like so totally gross.

    • youngoldbones .

      She is actually very pretty. What would you know about female beauty?

      • thisoldspouse

        He probably thinks Nancy Pelosi is a fox.

        • youngoldbones .

          Lol, those wild staring eyes.

  • James Reese

    Teaching your kids to question everything they read is how you create intelligent children. My children are brilliant and excelling in AG (academically gifted) classes. I never shoved my beliefs down their throats but instead let them learn on their own through sunday school and awana. We would have discussions on what they learned and I encouraged them to look past the words in the bible and see what truths lie there-in. Religion is a very personal thing, and if you don’t have your own opinion on the topic then you are merely copying someone else.

    • sagecreek

      Good for you, James Reese.

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      Well written!

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