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Blasphemy: Obama Picks ‘Gay’ Bishop for Easter Prayer

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President Barack Obama hosted about 150 Christian leaders at the Fifth Annual Easter Prayer Breakfast on Monday. At the conclusion of the event, the president chose to desecrate the Easter observance by spontaneously inviting the Episcopal Church’s first self-avowed, practicing homosexual bishop to offer the closing prayer. In his and the culture’s celebration of everything “gay,” apparently nothing is sacred.

Too bad President Obama wasn’t in as gracious of a mood towards Louie Giglio, pastor of the Passion City Church in Atlanta. Giglio had been selected by President Obama to deliver the benediction at his inaugural on Jan. 21, 2013, but he was forced to withdraw over the furor that was sparked when it was discovered he had delivered a sermon about homosexuality in the mid-1990s. The media promptly labeled the incident the Giglio Imbroglio.

The Right Rev. Gene Robinson expressed his shock in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind the podium: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!”

Speaking of his impromptu prayer, Robinson indicated that his words were “totally off the cuff! OMG!”

“The bishop, 66, retired from his New Hampshire diocese in 2013. He now spends time helping out the Washington [based] Center for American Progress on gay rights issues,” Newsmax reported.

At one time, even Bishop Robinson thought marriage should be defined only as the union of one man and one woman. But he later embraced apostasy and began an open homosexual relationship with Mark Andrew. The two made it legal in a civil “union” ceremony in 2008, followed by a “religious” service, both held in St Paul’s Church, Concord, New Hampshire. Earlier, Robinson reportedly said, “I always wanted to be a June bride.” Oh, please!

Evidently, there’s solidarity between fellow “evolvers” on this issue.

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  • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

    This article lies. Louie Giglio was not disinvited. He withdrew voluntarily. And today, he is moving toward accepting the concept of gay Christians. Here’s a recent quote concerning what happened back then: “The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.”

    Yes, I know it is wishy-washy, even for me, but at no time did he claim homosexuality was a sin. Not once.

    • Jacobus Arminius

      That statement is about maintaining freedom despite this issue, which has obviously been an problem with the homofascists (not all are that way, but enough are, and it’s making things very difficult.)

      By the way, the article doesn’t say Giglio was disinvited.

    • Starland sound

      Will God be convinced?

      “just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.” – Jude 1:7

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of homosexuality. They were destroyed because they did not welcome guests, as per God’s law. Look it up. These verses are misinterpreted all the time. I can give you more on this if you want.

        • Lamont Cranston

          It’s from Ezekiel 16:49: “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.”
          Apparently the bible is inerrant, except that part.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Thank you! I was about to post that verse.

          • Truth Offends

            And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me (Ezekiel 16:50)

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Hmmmm, funny they did not list homosexuality at all, eh?

          • Truth Offends

            God calls several things, including homosexual acts, an “abomination”.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            And yet, if the sin of Sodom had truly been homosexuality, you think Ezekiel might have mentioned it, eh. Stop making logic stretches to support your discriminatory misinterpretations of God’s Word.

          • Truth Offends

            What is truly a “stretch” is when Scripture only states “abomination” (not a specific abomination) to then conclude it does NOT mean the abomination (men having sex with other men) that you particularly enjoy.

            The verse does not say the “abomination” it is not acts of homosexuality. Yet, it is YOU (not me) who draws a wrong conclusion (misinterpret), from the clear and plain language of the Bible, that it is NOT acts of homosexuality. At a minimum, one could say, “I don’t know what the ‘abomination’ in Ezekiel 16:50 refers to”. But you wrongly say it is NOT acts of homosexuality.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Let’s talk “abominations.” The Bible mentions it 61 times, but only twice in the New Testament. Included in these abominations are:
            lying with a menstrous woman
            charging interest on loans
            and anyone getting remarried.
            According to the Bible, I bet you qualify for at least two, right? Let me know if you need the scriptural references, but I figure you can find them.

          • Truth Offends

            Like I said, God calls several things “abominations.”
            Even though Ezekiel 16:50 does not specifically identify the “abomination” and the verse does not say it is not the abomination of men having sex with other men–you wrongly conclude the “abomination” in that verse is not the one you engage in (men having sex with other men).

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            But what I do is something you have continued to fail to do: I use scripture to back up my beliefs. You continue trying to link homosexuality to scriptural references without reading the verses in context. We call that misinterpretation.

          • Truth Offends

            Puh-leeze. I am the one who even brought up Ezekiel 16:50. That is the Scripture we are talking about.

            “And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me” (Ezekiel 16:50)

            See. It’s clear and plain language. The verse does not specifically identify the “abomination”. The verse does not say it is not the abomination that involves homosexuality. Yet, you conclude (without ANY Scriptural support) that the abomination referred to in this verse is not the abomination you engage in: men having sex with other men.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            And nowhere does it even hint at homosexuality. That’s the misinterpretation part. You are “inferring” something that isn’t there. The proof is on you, not me.

          • Truth Offends

            It is YOU (not me) who is the one “inferring” (without any Biblical support) something that isn’t there! The verse does NOT say the abomination is not the one you engage in: men having sex with other men. Yet YOU “infer” that’s what the abomination is not!

            Let me remind you what I said earlier:
            There are several things, including homosexual acts, that God calls an “abomination”.
            Ezekiel 16:50 does not specify any particular “abomination.” There is no reason to believe that the “abomination” referred to is NOT homosexual acts, especially given the fact that just prior to the destruction of Sodom, both the young and old men of the city intended to rape (who they believed to be) two men. (They refused the women.) Also, I have not been able to find a verse that calls “rape” an “abomination”. Have you? (At one time, you implied that the abomination referred to in Ezekiel 16:50 was rape.)

            Notice I did not say the abomination IS acts of homosexuality! I said it would be wrong to believe it was NOT.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Ok, I see your confusion. Back up. This whole discussion started when someone (maybe you), used the Sodom and Gomorrah story to show that God hates homosexuality. I scripturally showed the error of that belief. Somewhere in there, you got mixed up.

          • Truth Offends

            I am not confused. Maybe you are.
            I did not get mixed up. Maybe you did.
            The only thing I was talking about was Ezekiel 16:50.

            Nevertheless, that doesn’t change the fact that you wrongly “infer” or “misinterpret” (without ANY Biblical support) Ezekiel 16:50 to conclude the “abomination” in that verse is NOT the “abomination” you engage in: men having sex with other men.

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          • Truth Offends

            No. You are the one who is “confused,” not me. And,
            you are the one who “got mixed-up,” not me. The only thing you and I were talking about was Ezekiel 16:50.

            Nevertheless, that doesn’t change the fact that you wrongly “infer” or “misinterpret” (without ANY Biblical support) Ezekiel 16:50 and wrongly conclude the “abomination” in that verse is NOT the “abomination” you engage in: men having sex with other men.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            ok, now slow down and read the verse very carefully. No where does it say that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is homosexuality. No where. Period. If you want to add that to the Bible, God has a very clear warning for you…..

          • Truth Offends

            You are the one who keeps repeatedly trying to exclude it–without ANY Biblical support for that.

            And, I did NOT try to add it. Here, let me refresh your memory (again). This is what I said:
            ___________________________________

            There are several things, including homosexual acts, that God calls an “abomination”.
            Ezekiel 16:50 does not specify any particular “abomination.” There is no reason to believe that the “abomination” referred to is NOT homosexual acts, especially given the fact that just prior to the destruction of Sodom, both the young and old men of the city intended to rape (who they believed to be) two men. (They refused the women.) Also, I have not been able to find a verse that calls “rape” an “abomination”. Have you? (At one time, you implied that the abomination referred to in Ezekiel 16:50 was rape.)

            Notice I did not say (or “infer”) the abomination IS acts of homosexuality! I said there was no reason to believe it was NOT.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Let me rephrase then: The only sins of Sodom and Gomorrah that the Bible clear states do not include homosexuality, only a vague reference to “abominations” of which the Bible lists 61.

          • wmforr

            Well, of course rape is not an abomination. It’s no more sinful than slavery.

          • wmforr

            Well, I’m sure that anyone who is a true “Christian” would never charge interest on loans.

          • wmforr

            But Lot was spared, because he was a “just man”, and offered his virgin daughters to the rapists.

            And don’t forget, that Lot later had sex with his daughters. And that isn’t the saltiest part of the story.

          • wmforr

            And there is no reason to suppose than abomination did not mean eating oysters or shrimp or eagles, ravens, storks, swans, bats, lapwings, ferrets, chameleons, lizards, moles, A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief… well there are so many abominations that one can hardly move without checking to see whether one is committing one.

            So there is no proof that the abomination in question wasn’t eating ferrets.

          • TrollopeReader

            somehow lack of concern for the poor, and being arrogant, overfed, etc (sounds like the capitalists!) turned into something about homosexuality….

          • Truth Offends

            And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: (Ezekiel 16:50)

          • grada3784

            So they ate shrimp and cussed their parents?

          • Truth Offends

            There are several things God calls an “abomination,” and homosexual acts is one of them.

          • grada3784

            Along with a whole lot of other stuff. So why aren’t christians as up in arms about Red Lobster as they are about gays?

          • Lamont Cranston

            Do try and learn to read in context, moron. Ezekien 16:50 doesn’t have to specify a particular abomination because the immediately preceding verse does: they did not help the poor and needy. You know, just like whiny conservative goons fail to do today. You are probaby the biggest sodomite around here. Repent or burn in hell.

          • Truth Offends

            Where in the Bible does it say that “not helping the poor and needy” is an “abomination”?

            Ezekiel 16: 49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. (Note the period. That means it’s the end of a sentence. Verse 50 is the beginning of a new sentence.)

            Ezekiel 16:50 And (Note the word “and”. That means something in addition to what was previously stated, not the same thing.) they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

          • Lamont Cranston

            Like I said before: the abomination referred to is not specified in verse 50; the nearest abomination mentioned to verse 50 is the failure to take care of the poor and needy. You are a conservative and therefore do not consider the neglect of people who need help to be an abomination; I am a decent human being and therefore I do.
            Ultimately, however, I don’t particularly care what the bible says about any given subject. All I really care about is protecting my family and myself from filth like you. Sorry, but as they say – the truth offends.

          • Truth Offends

            Why so hateful? You don’t even know me. First you call me a “moron,” and now you call me “filth”! What did I do?

          • grada3784

            Funny you should ask that. I ask the same thing about Christians, who are, after all, commanded to love their neighbors as themselves; they seem to do an inordinate amount of namecalling. Some even say it’s done in the spirit of love; I wonder what planet they come from..

          • TKnTexas

            Ezekiel sounds like Sodomites are current Republicans who cut food assistance for the poor to give MORE riches to the rich.

          • wmforr

            Why should they? The poor and needy are just takers anyway. Surely you know that on Judgement Day Jesus won’t be interested in whether you supported programs for the poor. He’ll only ask if you supported same-sex marriage.

        • thisoldspouse

          What’s so supremely funny is that none of you homo-perverts even believe that the Sodom and Gomorrah stories actually occurred.

          • grada3784

            Since there’s a duplicate of the story in Judges where the dialog is remarkably similar, you tell us.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I believe they happened. And what’s supremely funny is that name-calling seems to be the only refutation of logic, facts, and scripture you have in your arsenal.

          • thisoldspouse

            Then, you’re in the minority.

      • grada3784

        Probably by the definition of the sin of Sodom in Ezekiel 16. Sodom as the sister of Jerusalem, both old and new. If that is the sin of Sodom, which God had decided to clobber before the angel incident, or if the sin of Sodom was lack of hospitality, then there are a lot of conservative churches that will be be in an eternity of hurt for being as inhospitable as they have been.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Agreed!

        • TrollopeReader

          and gluttonous, too!

        • Oshtur

          The Baylonian Talmud covers many horrid ways the people of Sodom treated visitors in an attempt to drive off the indigent. Only sexual immorality it mentioned were men sleeping with other men’s wives.

          Christians aren’t obsessed with this subject, just “Christians”

      • Gigi

        “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” (Ezekiel 16:49-50)

        Nowhere is there any mention of The Gays. Sodomites — the residents of the City of Sodom — were arrogant, gluttonous, inhospitable and they didn’t care about the poor and needy. They arrogant (“haughty”) and did “detestable” things (what those things were…the author doesn’t say). THIS is why S&G were destroyed.
        You and yours like to say that the “strange flesh” in Jude 1:7 is in reference to homosexuality, but that’s not the case. I would say “nice try,” but it really wasn’t.

    • TrollopeReader

      When was the last time Barber (or his associates) told the Truth? That would be a red-letter banner day!

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        The more controversial he makes it, the more traffic in the comment areas, the more clicks on his ads, the richer he gets. I doubt even HE agrees with the silliness he writes LOL!

        • TrollopeReader

          hopefully no one clicks on the ads!

    • Michael Hampton

      Barber has to lie. Otherwise you won’t get upset and feel like a martyr.

  • thisoldspouse

    Am I the only one who found the picture of the “lovely couple” especially gag-inducing?

    • RhondaStar

      No, you weren’t the only one. But the June bride part was even worse.

      • thisoldspouse

        Gene looks like the other guy’s grandfather…. excuse me…….

        • Lamont Cranston

          No wonder you got a boner.

      • grada3784

        Are you and thisoldspouse really helping anyone or are you just looking for pats on the back? The reward you get in public might very well boomerang before God.

        And remember there is a parable in the Gospel where forgiveness/salvation is revokeable, based on how we forgive others, so maybe Christians who think they’ve got salvation in their back pocket may just find the pocket empty when they need it the most.

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      And you wonder why people call you bigots.

      • RhondaStar

        It’s more accurately called having morals.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          I’m sure the Klan felt the same way.

          • Starland sound

            nope, please dont confuse morals with racism. Two completely different things.

            thanks.

          • RhondaStar

            No, you’re the one confusing physical traits with behaviors. We all have a free will and our own temptations to resist.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Try resisting heterosexuality sometime and let me know how that goes.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            I know that the sex-crazed, crotch-fixated, perversity crowd (gay or straight) think this is impossible, but nobody ever died of abstinence. Ever heard of Mother Teresa?

            Eating, sleeping, drinking, breathing are behaviors that are 100% genetically driven. You die if you don’t do them, but sex, or more accurately who you have sex with, does not rise to that level of hereditary determinism. We have FREE WILL. We are not sexual robots or brute beasts that cannot control ourselves. That’s just one of our big cultural lies.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Please learn your definitions before you post. The definition of “heterosexual” is someone who as a sexual attraction to a person of the opposite sex. Heterosexuality is not “having sex with that person.” Here, I’ll put it easier for you: “Try turning off your attraction to people of the opposite sex.” There, now you may comment.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            Well, then, when you mention resisting heterosexuality — that means to me resisting the desire to act upon it. However, I have never claimed that attractions can be eliminated, but actions can be controlled. It’s you homosexuals that are constantly conflating actions and attractions.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            No it does not mean that. Check the dictionary if you don’t believe me. Heterosexuality has nothing to do with “acting on it.” How sexually confused are you? Anyone, gay or straight, can choose to be abstinent. But you cannot change or eliminate those attractions. And most conservative Christians equate those “attractions” as sin. I’m saying they are normal. What say you?

          • Jacobus Arminius

            Well, the only thing that I’m concerned with is acting on it.
            You may have heard “conservative” Christians equate attractions with sin, but every Christian I’ve ever heard on this subject does not. We all have temptations to do the wrong thing.

            For clarification, by action, I would also include sinful thoughts. So, for example, I am attracted to women, but I am not permitted to lust after them.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Then, let me be more specific. So, I take from above that attractions are not sinful, gay or straight? My attractions have ALWAYS been same-sex. Is that wrong in God’s eyes? Is everyone BORN heterosexual and then some eventually CHOOSE to be gay? Elaborate on your beliefs here, if you would. It would help me understand your thinking.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            There are multiple factors that figure into sexual attractions. Even the left-leaning APA has stated as much. And the etiology can be different for different people.

            However, we all have our propensities and proclivities towards whatever. Some people are more prone to worry, materialism, alcoholism, etc. — and studies have contended that these too can have a genetic component. It only makes sense that all human behavior has at least some hereditary link. But that doesn’t eliminate our culpability. We are still responsible, free moral agents. A tendency is not a tyranny. A predisposition is not a predestination.

            Therefore, whatever a person’s weakness may be (and we all have them), they must be resisted. So, Humble Opinion, homosexuals need to stop acting like they are the only one’s battling temptations. We are all in the same boat…it’s just a different kind of boat for each person.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I appreciate your kind response (seriously). So many on this board start off their comments with “Sodomite” and “poop lover”. Once again, thanks for approaching this with a Christ-like attitude.

            I agree with you on the issue of propensities. But here is the difference. Your last paragraph begins “Therefore, whatever a person’s weakness may be”. Is heterosexuality a weakness? Is homosexuality a weakness?

            To be more clear on my point, what I am saying is that homosexuality and heterosexuality (the attractions) are both from God and are both what God would label as “natural.” Do you agree with that?

          • Jacobus Arminius

            I do believe homosexuality is a sin (a weakness). The word “natural,” as you seem to be using this word is not a viable excuse because it would also be very “natural” for me to lust after a female, but it would still be wrong.

            I determine right and wrong by the Bible. I realize that many people don’t agree, but….

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Ok, now I’m clear. Some of your earlier statements made me wonder. But at least, I think, I have found where we disagree. Once again, thanks for sharing your beliefs in a non-provocative way. I sometimes allow my emotions to override my Christian duty in my posts LOL!

          • BudClark

            So … you strictly observe the ENTIRE Code of Leviticus AND the Ten Commandments AND the Sermon on the Mount, and see no conflict?

            Word!

          • Jacobus Arminius

            I’m so tired of this lame argument. You homosexuals need to get a new script. Read “Debunking Lies About the Bible” series, part 3 on BarbWire. That’s my answer to your Bible distortions.

            As soon as the NAACP asks the KKK for advice, I’ll ask a homosexual activist for advice on the Bible.

          • grada3784

            That would be great if everyone believed the same and we lived in a theocracy. There are a multitude of Christian sects, believing a variety of things and the beliefs of those who disagree with you are just as important to them as yours are to you. We do not have the right to force others to our beliefs. That way lies the taliban and sharia.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            We live in a homosexual thugocracy.

          • justmeeeee

            and thanks to the goddess for that! wouldn’t this world be a total sheist-hole if the heteros ran everything?

          • grada3784

            Really. That’s a far cry from the days when the number of gays was minimized to practically nothing. All of a sudden 70 =80 of the population is being threatened by 6% or so? Sounds like someone doesn’t have much faith.

          • BudClark

            Be careful, or we’ll redecorate your house and force you to buy a stylish wardrobe!

          • Jacobus Arminius

            I’m more concerned with homofascists getting us fired, indoctrinating our children, spreading AIDS, attacking those that don’t agree with them, stifling the First Amendment for others, implementing transgender bathrooms (violating privacy and safety).

          • grada3784

            “We live in a homosexual thugocracy.”

            Which is a lot better than living in a religious thugocracy. People get killed in them far too often.

            And do remember that the original thugs were members of a religious sect devoted to Kali.

          • TrollopeReader

            So, where do gays act like their battling temptations? They’re embracing who they are and who they love. It is those who are anti-gay who claim gays are giving into (sinful) temptations.

            But then again, they seem just fine with adulterers like Gingrich, Limbaugh, numerous conservative pastors, and the like…..

          • Jacobus Arminius

            Pointing to bad behavior (heterosexual adultery) to justify other bad behavior (homosexual behavior) is bad logic.

            Besides, don’t blame me for the divorces of OTHER people. I have been married for 27 years…NO divorce. Unless you want me to blame you for the homosexual pedophiles.

          • TrollopeReader

            Try answering the question. And learn the definition of logic. And show me where Bible-thumpers like y’all condemn the folks I mentioned. I’ll wait.

          • grada3784

            But do you treat sins of heterosexuals like you treat homosexuals? Is a sin condemned by the 10 Commandments treated at the same level by the Christian community or do the Christian community only go after the stuff that doesn’t inconvenience them? as

          • TrollopeReader

            Oddly, unless some stone tablets are yet to be found, being a homosexual, or even practicing as a homosexual, made it into The Ten Commandments. Yet even Southern Baptist ministers (and other evanglicals) seem to take great delight in breaking as many of the Ten as they can —as if it’s a game.

          • sagecreek

            I think you meant “didn’t” make it into the Ten Commandments :)

          • grada3784

            Unless you want me to blame you for the homosexual pedophiles.

            And you don’t think that “Christians” have been doing that for years?

          • Jacobus Arminius

            REAL Christians don’t do that.

            But homosexuals have a high incident rate of pedophilia.

            They are also spreading AIDS at an alarming rate.

          • grada3784

            I’m not sure I’ve ever met a True Christian. Is that anything like a true Scotsman? I’ve met many “Christians” who have pew insurance policies, but who hardly act like they really believe.

            And if you look world wide instead of contemplating only the US, you will see that AIDS is spreading quite well in the straight world too. Funny how Africa always seems to be missed, seeing as how a majority of the AIDS cases are there.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            You need to read today’s article on LGBT Imperialism. It directly addresses the Africa AIDS issue. Funny you should ask.

          • grada3784

            I especially liked the quote:

            “If sexual behavior is changed in the direction of more monogamy and fidelity and more abstinence,” Dr. Green asserted, “it greatly brings down infection rates.”

            Except, of course that unmarried birth rates are the highest in the nation in the Bible Belt. If you can’t solver this problem among your own, how do you expect to do it for anyone else?

            As for the rest, I’ll read it, but after the Regnerus “study”, I’d be inclined to require a lot more proof than the right wing is wont to give.

          • grada3784

            a man who looks at a woman with lust in his heart has already committed adultery. That’s from the Gospel per one Jesus of Nazareth. Now you were saying what about attractions and actions?

            You might also tell us when you made the conscious decision to be heterosexual.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            You obviously either didn’t look at the entire exchange or you are very confused. An attraction is not necessarily lust.

          • grada3784

            But it is more than likely so these days. Especially with studies showing that porn usage rises significantly where and when Christian groups are meeting.

            Otherwise groups like One Million Moms wouldn’t be getting so freaked out about almost everything.

          • portertx

            While your belief is to deny yourself happiness in this life…that is not everyone’s opinion. So just because you are on a diet I should not be aloud to enjoy a doughnut?

          • Jacobus Arminius

            Eating donuts and homosexual sex are not the same thing. Especially since the homofascists are the one’s taking about everyone’s rights.

          • TrollopeReader

            it depends where you put the donut….

          • grada3784

            Do accent that we’re talking about rights in the secular arena.

          • TrollopeReader

            you can enjoy the donut quietly….

          • portertx

            You mean quietly and in private…like Jesus stated you should do when praying?

          • TrollopeReader

            I was making a pun on “aloud” vs. “allowed”.

          • gaylib

            And what gene causes Christianity?

          • portertx

            so when you say abstinence does that include masturbation also? In other words you want people to be completely chaste.

            There are plenty of health benefits derived from having sex – from reducing stress to lowing the risk of cancer and heart attacks.

            Ok – So allow us to practice our free will – you are more than welcome to practice your free will however you choose. Unless your free will is actually to control our free will….which is really the case isn’t it?

          • justmeeeee

            mother theresa was abstinate? who says?

          • grada3784

            Is your church absolutely free of divorced and re-married people? According to the gospels, such people are adulterers. Considering the divorce rate in the country, most churches have more than a few logs in their own eyes that need to be cleared before they worry about specks in the eyes of others.

          • TrollopeReader

            try to resist being an anti-gay bigot. Heal Thyself said oh, someone famous with a beard.

          • Jacobus Arminius

            Try not to be an anti-Christian bigot.

          • TrollopeReader

            Episcopalians *are* Christians. Christianists on the other hand, are no better than the Taliban.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Sorry, but both are tied directly to morals.

          • grada3784

            Oh? The KKK used to announce its presence in town by going to a friendly church in full regalia. Klansmen considered themselves good moral Christians, after all. Even while they were committing murder.

          • portertx

            Well slavery was consider a moral at one time – also so was denying interracial couples the ability to marry.

          • TrollopeReader

            Racists by definition don’t have morals. Neither does Matt Barber. Brian Brown, etc.

          • RhondaStar

            Difference is they were terribly wrong.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Agreed. Anti-gay bigotry and racism should be fought wherever it is encountered.

        • grada3784

          Morals are gag inducing?

      • thisoldspouse

        And early Christians were call “atheists.” I’ll take your inaccurate but predictable label as an honor.

        • grada3784

          Early Christians were not only called atheists, but incestuous, anti-family, unpatriotic cannibals. In short many of the things that some Christians call groups they disagree with to this day.

        • justmeeeee

          wankadoodler

      • Starland sound

        Put God himself in the “bigot” list then, its not like we Christians hold these views just by our own doing, Its the natural order of Gods nature, He makes the rules, we just follow them.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Dangerous thing to call God a bigot. Even I wouldn’t say that sarcastically.

          • pleasebereasonable

            Why, is he going to come after him now, or just in the afterlife?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Up to God, not me, my friend.

          • Gigi

            Can we call him a murderer of babies and small children? There’s proof of that in the bible. “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalms 137:9) “At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.” (Exodus 12:29)

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Gigi, I think you and I are on the same side of this argument. The people in this comment stream seem to have a problem with a gay bishop praying at the national prayer breakfast. I do not see a problem. In fact, I celebrate the diversity shown. I am a Christian and I am gay, so you can guess that I am at odds with the majority on this board. Before I replied to your post, however, I couldn’t quite understand where you were coming from. Can you elaborate?

          • Gigi

            We’re closer to being on the same side of the argument than you and Barber’s minions are. I’m not a believer, but I respect the right of people to believe whatever they like, IFF they don’t try to force their beliefs on me. You said you wouldn’t call god a bigot even in jest. I’d call him and some of his followers worse. (See above.)

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I respect your beliefs (or lack of). I hope, however, that you don’t judge all Christians by the hate shown on these boards. The Bible tells me that the greatest commandment God ever gave was “love.” The “minions” on this board seem to have forgotten that.

          • Gigi

            No, I don’t think you’re all the same. I actually spend a great deal of time on the Christian Post arguing with followers of Fred Phelps. I post as a Christian (I was raised as one so…I know the lingo), and challenge their beliefs and knowledge (or lack of) of scripture. It really sends them into a tailspin. Many of them haven’t even read a bible. It’s sad. All the best to you my friend!!

        • ErickMN

          Correction: You CHERRY PICK the biblical rules you follow. You’re welcome.

        • EdmondWherever

          You DO hold these views by your own doing. No one is forcing you. I don’t hold these views, so obviously your views are up to you. You don’t HAVE to align your views with those which tell you to scorn and vilify people who enjoy something you don’t. You COULD pitch those views, and decide to judge people on their personal character, their kindness and generosity instead. “I was only following orders” never convinced anyone. People hold the views they WANT to hold, and they choose religions which agree with them.

        • grada3784

          Follow them or follow our interpretation of them?

        • portertx

          Your version of GOD…not mine.

          • thisoldspouse

            There are versions of God?

          • portertx

            Well if there is more than one religion …I would say yes.

        • TrollopeReader

          actually, in order to make Christianity work, Christians adopted and adapted many non-Christian rites and the like….many from pagans….such as the Christmas tree, winter holiday, etc. etc.

    • Richo

      Gag inducing, yet you cannot look away. Probably set it to your desktop background. But absolutely not for any prurient or lascivious reasons, just to remind yourself what a demented, depraved backwater America is becoming with each passing day. A demented, depraved backwater filled with homosexual men performing all kinds of depraved acts with their masculine male manly bodies.

      • Zachary Dryman

        Stop it, you’re turning me on. Woof!

      • tom_beauchamparnold

        Such as standing next to each other while fully clothed. Shocking!

    • peteykins

      Why, exactly?

    • climate3

      Yes. Probably not in this crowd but I had a different reaction.

    • SoCalVet

      great barometer to indicate if you are homophobic or not. You are!

    • portertx

      Cant be any worse than your mug shot….

    • Lamont Cranston

      It’s not like we had to look at a picture of you and the skank you’re shacked up with.

    • Gigi

      Yes.

    • grada3784

      maybe the problem lies within you? gag-inducing doesn’t sound much like love of neighbor to me. The was a reason the Samaritan story was about a Samaritan, who a Jewish audience would find disgusting.

      Why don’t you try to see the image of God that we all supposed bear and leave God to do His job? After all, He does a lot better than we do.

      • thisoldspouse

        I guess Larry Brinkin bears the image of God as well, right into his well-deserved prison cell.

        • grada3784

          Sorry, but I don’t know who he is.

          • thisoldspouse

            Sure you do.

            Your fingers are apparently not too broken to comment, so do a search.

          • grada3784

            You bring someone up out of nowhere. Is that one of the unbroached subjects that you refer to when people disagree with you?

        • grada3784

          But if you stop and think about it; Lucifer was created as perhaps the most beautiful of all creation and certainly resembled the image of God. he can still appear as an angel of light, even though he is now the Devil.

          • thisoldspouse

            Do you actually believe in the existence of Satan, a distinct entity with personality who rebelled against God?

            Or are you playing games?

          • grada3784

            You’re living proof of the existence of evil, with your mean-spiritedness.

            I just won’t deify evil as many True Believers do.

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  • Benmaxcon

    Why the surprise? Why wouldn’t a gay president have a gay bishop say the prayer? The only surprise is why any real Christians went to this breakfast to begin with.

    • Jacobus Arminius

      Great point!

    • ryan charisma

      god can hear you lie.

      • sagecreek

        It’s pretty clear that this site has nothing to do with God. It’s just another front for extreme right-wing politics.

    • portertx

      Really and you can prove Obama is gay? I love how quickly people can pass judgement without and proof….I thought bearing false witness was a sin.

      • thisoldspouse

        What’s funny is that you find the accusation of being “gay” a pejorative. I wish you’d make up your minds.

        • portertx

          Actually it would not be an issue either way. It is people like you who make it an issue like calling him a Muslim when he says he is a Christian.

          • thisoldspouse

            And I’m a carrot. Prove me wrong.

          • portertx

            Ok you are a carrot. A very very special carrot that can operate on the internet.

          • icapricorn

            Here I must disagree with you, portertx. Thisoldspouse is a garden variety carrot. Nothing special about him. His head is in the ground, with all the other carrots. What’s up, Doc?

          • icapricorn

            Oh, I was sure you were a carrot many comments ago.

          • grada3784

            Why? Many of us will agree you’re more a vegetable than a human being.

        • grada3784

          Maybe because it’s the conservative Christian mindset?

          • thisoldspouse

            Are you a homosexual?

          • grada3784

            Is that any of your business? Or are you just being a busybody?

            Gossip is offensive whether one is straight or gay. And it’s almost always false witness against one’s neighbor.

          • thisoldspouse

            So, you are offended by the implication that you might be a homosexual.

            I think we’re on to something. Even perverts know, deep down, that it is wrong. No wonder they remain so angry.

          • grada3784

            Sorry. Just not germane to the discussion .

      • wmforr

        Even if he isn’t gay, you must accept that he was born in the foreign country of Hawai’i, which is the capital of Kenya, and his father was a space alien who worshiped the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I mean all that is a matter of record.

        • sagecreek

          Funny, but that’s going to fly over some of the heads here, y’know.

          • wmforr

            Poe’s Law is tested all the time, especially when Fox picks up a “Breaking News” story from the Onion.

    • Evan C

      The 9th commandment states that you should not bear false witness.

    • grada3784

      What proof do you have? Or do you only have gossip?

  • climate3

    Good for President Obama. And the only judge who matters is God. Get your lives right before you start preaching on others. God has not designated you as the sole barometer of right and wrong.

    • thisoldspouse

      Let me see if I can understand – no one can be a determiner of right and wrong. So, by your “logic,” you cannot label the people condemning this selection as wrong.

      Got it!

      • grada3784

        Since not everyone believes as you do, being a determiner of what is right and wrong is more the province of Islamic morality police than Christians.

        Too many Christians act like they are jealous of the Muslims.

        • thisoldspouse

          You bring Islam where it is not mentioned. Are you an adherent?

          Try sticking to the subject. I hear ADD drugs work wonders.

          • VelvetLlama

            It seems to me that he’s just pointing a big similarity between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims. Members of both groups often have a strong theocratic impulse.

          • grada3784

            Exactly. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    • Annette

      I always find it humorous to see how seemingly unaware people are of their double standard when they make comments like yours. Is it wrong to judge, climate? Then stop judging!

      • grada3784

        Wrong, who knows. But very dangerous, since the Gospel says if we judge, we will also be judged and by our own standards. And since we all have sinned, well you know.

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  • ErickMN

    A gracious move by the president, and an honor for the Reverend. Kudos to both!

  • Scratch89

    Yay for inclusion!

  • grada3784

    The article reminds me of the movie Dracula with Frank Langella, where Dracula shouts “blasphemy” when Van Helsing brings out a consecrated host..

  • PTBoat

    The man is a Christian Bishop in a major denomination. Of course he was a great choice to lead the prayer.

  • grada3784

    I think anyone who uses the scare quotes around gay should be labeled as a “Christian”, in accord with Matthew 7:12.

  • Gigi

    “You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because YOU WHO PASS JUDGMENT DO THE SAME THINGS.” (Romans 2:1)

  • nowaRINO

    It’s the just gay thing making an Episcopalian a blasphemer for the Nazarene? LOL, someone needs to check his handbook.

  • Chris

    A national recognized and popular minister was asked to say a prayer at the White House….where is the story?

  • Richard

    A well deserved honor for Bishop Robinson

  • PEric70

    Bravo, President Obama and congratulations to Bishop Robinson.

  • oikos

    :)

  • hard2findu

    awesome and rock on Prez

  • Richard

    I am very proud of my President

  • hard2findu

    I am sure if God had a problem with this it would flood the country, or Washington, maybe some hail or frogs. oh, I know it would blast a city to dust and kill everyone in it. Then again maybe it has not problem with this at all.

    • Truth Offends

      Your avatar is both vulgar and profane. Flagged.

      • sagecreek

        Oh, grow up.

      • thisoldspouse

        Ditto.

      • Billanddogs

        Well, of course you think it’s both vulgar and profane. It shows human love. Your specialties are hatred and passing judgement on others.

        • thisoldspouse

          Lust does not equal love.

          • Magnus Elric-William

            Thisoldspouse , of course you are correct, but then again how can you expect perversion to differentiate between love such as that between a man and a woman or a parent for a child and their perverted desires to sexualize everything, especially innocent love.

        • Truth Offends

          That’s a very hateful and judgmental thing to say to someone you don’t know.
          PS: I do not hate anyone. And I have not passed judgment on anyone. If you’re going to accuse someone of these things, you should should provide evidence. And, in this case, you cannot.

          • SoCalVet

            what a troll!

  • portertx

    “At one time, even Bishop Robinson thought marriage should be defined only as the union of one man and one woman. ” I believe the author took some major artistic liberties as to what the Bishop actually said…..

  • HomerTh

    I’m proud of our twice-elected President!

  • Billanddogs

    I am very pleased that President Obama chose a gay clergyman to lead a prayer. It shows to me that our president is thinking and acting inclusively, as a “real Christian” should.

    • thisoldspouse

      Should be be “inclusive” of cancer?

      • grada3784

        When you get it, as many people do, let us know if you change your mind.

      • wmforr

        Changing the subject are we? We should accept Christians. Should we accept axe murderers? We can all play nonsequitur.

        But of course your avatar is a refutation of the opening of the Declaration of Independence, so I imagine you are not an American. Iranian perhaps?

        • thisoldspouse

          Wrong. Accepting what is detestable in the sight of God – what God calls an abomination – is the subject at hand.

  • Gigi

    This is a big improvement over Rick Warren at the first Inauguration.

  • justmeeeee

    Is Jeff Allen a nancy-boy? Who else would use the expression, “Oh, please”?

    • Jacobus Arminius

      Probably trying to be nice. Gag! would have been better.

      • grada3784

        Do you really think Gag! helps spread any kind of Gospel? Is it in any way a reflection of how you love you neighbor as yourself?

        • Jacobus Arminius

          We love them enough not to sugarcoat the disgusting nature of their perversions. Sometimes people need to be shocked back to reality. Kind of like what Jesus did in the Temple in John 2. I’ll bet there were many who didn’t think Jesus was being loving in that instance, but he was displaying zeal for the truth.

    • sagecreek

      There’s that Christian love you all brag about.

  • Jim in MN

    Look in the mirror and weep at your own transgressions before finding fault in others.

    • thisoldspouse

      Didn’t you just find fault in others?

      The hypocrisy of the perverted left knows no bounds.

      • grada3784

        Since the Bible says all have sinned, we all have trangressions. Had he been specific, maybe you’d have a case. Without specificity, you have bupkis.

        • thisoldspouse

          You turn the truth that “we all have sinned” into the contorted evil that sin is therefore inevitable, and by implication, excusable.

          • sagecreek

            So very confused. So very ,very confused.

          • thisoldspouse

            If you need Cliff Notes, I’ll trying and find some.

          • grada3784

            You and I have both sinned and therefore have transgressions. Jim in MN said nothing more than to concentrate on our own flaws, which Jesus also said in the Gospel. How do you feel you have been judged? And how did you get that I excuse sin? Each of us need to worry about correcting our own sins and not waste so much time on other people’s sins.

      • Jim in MN

        Hmm and that wasn’t a judgment? I’m totally getting this cyclical thing.

        • thisoldspouse

          I don’t disclaim judgement. It’s not possible to be a Christian, to even by a pagan in this world, without making distinctions – to JUDGE. We all do it; we MUST do it, often our survival depends on it.

          And cut out the absolutely FALSE propaganda that God through the Scriptures tells us we must never judge. He most certainly does. He thinks so HIGHLY of judging that he DEMANDS that we do it CORRECTLY – without hypocrisy.

          • Jim in MN

            If that is what gets you thru life without harming others then AMEN! If you use scripture as your excuse to treat someone as less than yourself or less deserving of compassion then you are sadly missing the entire point of the New Testament. Nothing in the New Testament allows for or condones the hypocritical rhetoric on display here, for that you have to go back to the Old Testament, something a lot of self-proclaimed Christians relish in doing, which accounted for the the BEFORE Christ (you know that fellow who’s name is part of CHRISTian) walked the earth. But let’s not squabble over petty details such as that, shall we?

          • sagecreek

            Oh, I think petty details are what he lives for.

            Such a shame, so far from a godly life. I’m enjoying your comments, Jim.

          • thisoldspouse

            Oh, wake up and smell the coffee, ignoramus. I said we ALL judge, especially YOU. Stop pretending that you don’t. And I don’t blame you for judging. The substance of the debate is what is at stake, not the process.

          • Jim in MN

            I’m trying to locate the insult you just spewed in either the old or New Testament and am coming up short, maybe you’d be so kind as to point to the chapter and verse that references ignoramus or even Coffee? Honestly, your very pointed insults do not only yourself a disservice but really underscore the entire debate between what a CHRISTian is as opposed to what a ‘christian’ is. The two are often confused in this big world of ours so I’ll let our words to each other speak for themselves.

  • thisoldspouse

    Vickie Gene Robinson, who abandoned a wife and children, and his vows, to fulfill his lusts.

    Yeah, a real example for the Left.

    • grada3784

      it’s a fairly common practice in this country. Even in Christian circles.

      I’ll bet you haver no problem listening to Rush Limbaugh, who’s on marriage #4, if my count is correct.

      • thisoldspouse

        And you assume too much. Ass-U-me

        • sagecreek

          Oooh, there’s that Christian charity on display again!

          • thisoldspouse

            You’re judging. Your own theology condemns you.

          • sagecreek

            You have no idea what my theology is.

          • thisoldspouse

            Let me rehash it for you: “All judging is WRONG, we cannot judge anyone because Jesus told us not to?”

            Am I accurate?

          • sagecreek

            Rarely if ever.

          • grada3784

            No. Jesus said not to judge, but those that do will be held to their own standards. Not as much a prohibition as a warning.

        • grada3784

          We both know a lot of “Christians” do, whether you do or not.

          • thisoldspouse

            Stuck on stupid? Again, you make asinine assumptions about subjects that are not even broached.

          • grada3784

            Subjects that are not even broached, Like Bishop Robinson’s ex-wife?

            I’ve been doing no more than you’ve been doing.

    • Gigi

      Conservative men don’t leave their wives and children? Newt Gingrich did a couple of times.

      • thisoldspouse

        Yeah, deflect to justify. Very typical and predictable.

      • grada3784

        So did Ronald Reagan. But i think he was still a liberal Democrat then.

  • thisoldspouse

    Point is that they didn’t “resign,” they were FIRED, for good reason. You cannot hold a religious belief in your organization and then have that belief openly challenged by members who serve at the pleasure of the belief system.

    Just be honest and tell us how much you despise freedom of speech and religion.

    • sagecreek

      You need to check your reading comprehension, buckaroo.

      • thisoldspouse

        Right back at you.

        The issue is “resignation” = dismissal.

        • sagecreek

          Which it does not.

          I’m starting to feel very sad for you.

          • thisoldspouse

            Did Sebellius just decide, “hey, this would be a good day to quit.”?

          • Michael Hampton

            She might have. You don’t know.

  • Ray

    Barber jumps the shark again. God hears all prayers.

  • Ray

    “Senior Editor”. Hahahahahahahaha.

    • thisoldspouse

      He’s not?

      • sagecreek

        Running your own little no-count website isn’t exactly being a senior editor in the sense of the profession, no.

        • thisoldspouse

          So you get to decide what is or isn’t a website with a staff of writers?

          How arrogant can you get?

          • sagecreek

            But you get to decide who is and is not a Christian?

            I’m seeing a bit of a double standard here. Can you see it too?

  • Corrie Gillikin

    I think it was a wonderful thing and it just shows once more that our President has tolerance and respect for all of God’s children, gay and straight. They are both great examples of what Jesus taught which was love. God made us all in his own image and we are born with our sexuality. It is not a choice. Who are you to judge anyone’s heart?? Jesus said to judge no man, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Most of the so-called Christians are a million miles away from his teachings. You without sin cast the first stone.

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  • Rod Steely

    What a great move by the president!

  • Michael Hampton

    So remember, not picking Matt Barber or one of his cronies and picking someone else to lead a prayer in public is “blasphemy”. And the gay people are the intolerant ones. Sheesh.

  • tatoo

    Who cares who leads a prayer to a zombie?

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