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Why Are They Called ‘Homofascists’? Here’s Why…

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Many Christians have been warning for years that the radical homosexual activist lobby is made up of Christian-hating fascists who are in rebellion against both God and nature, who are hell-bent on criminalizing Christianity and pushing to the fringes anyone who publicly acknowledges natural human sexuality and the age-old, immutable institution of legitimate marriage as created by God.

Sadly, many people, even many Christians, think that I and others are using hyperbole when we refer to this sexual anarchist “LGBT” movement as “homofascist” or the “Gaystapo.” I hope you’ll think again. It’s time to wake up and smell the impending anti-Christian persecution. It’s fully at hand.

BarbWire contributor Laurie Higgins, commenting on the Washington Examiner story below, summed it up well in an email tonight:

CEO and co-founder of Mozilla (and inventor of JavaScript) Brendan Eich is forced to resign because of his $1,000 donation to Prop 8 six years ago. So, I guess it’s semi-official: American citizens who believe marriage is inherently sexually complementary cannot work in America–not even in their own companies. First Amendment: R.I.P.

Reports the Washington Examiner:

Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich resigned under pressure after gay rights activists demanded that he step down or recant his support of traditional marriage laws.

Eich donated $1,000 to support Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that amended the state’s constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman.

“I don’t want to talk about my personal beliefs because I kept them out of Mozilla all these 15 years we’ve been going,” Eich told The Guardian. “I don’t believe they’re relevant.”

That wasn’t an option. “CEO Brendan Eich should make an unequivocal statement of support for marriage equality,” a Credoaction petition signed by almost 75,000 people said, per The Inquirer. “If he cannot, he should resign. And if he will not, the board should fire him immediately.”

When asked if his beliefs about marriage should constitute a firing offense the way racism or sexism does, Eich argued that these religious beliefs — and beliefs popular as of 2008 — should not be used as a basis for dismissal.

“I don’t believe that’s true, on the basis of what’s permissible to support or vote on in 2008,” he told CNET. “It’s still permissible. Beliefs that are protected, that include political and religious speech, are generally not something that can be held against even a CEO. I understand there are people who disagree with me on this one.”

Oh, oh, Mr. Eich, how wrong you are. That’s the America we used to live in. That’s the America of our founding. Welcome to “Amerika.” Homofascism is the order of the day and Christian “intolerance” simply will not be tolerated. That was before we became the godless, wicked nation we are today. A once-great nation that now takes “pride” in calling “evil good and good evil.”

Continues the Examiner:

On Thursday, Mozilla announced that he had resigned. “Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it,” executive chairwoman Mitchell Baker wrote. “We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves. We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.”

Do you see what’s happening? Did you read that? That’s fear — deathly fear. Fear of a radical, hateful, intolerant, obnoxious, fascist, evil and power-crazed group of sex-obsessed anarchists who demand that we all affirmatively celebrate their deviant and self-destructive sexual sins and unnatural perversions.

Christians, buckle up. Your whole world is about to change. The Rainbowshirts are emboldened and they’ve broken out the long knives.  “Therefore pride is their necklace; they clothe themselves with violence” – Psalm 73:6.

They smell blood in the water. I’ve often said that these folks want those who speak Biblical truth about human sexuality and legitimate marriage either 1) dead, 2) imprisoned or, if they can have neither of these, 3) marginalized to the point where they can’t even support their families.

Check No. 3 off the list. I guess they’re working backwards.

Freedom is hanging on by a thread, America, and it is those who worship the sin of Sodom that are determined to finish it off once and for all.

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  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

    Yep. They are working backwards. First they will marginalize us and make us second-class citizens. Then they will take our constitutional freedoms away. Then they will imprison us. Then they will kill us.

    • Bobby McGuire

      change your meds

    • nowaRINO

      If you treat others as you wish to be treated…you will be just fine.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        We do. They want more. The answer is no.

      • 6stufapins

        This is example of the opposite.

      • nick

        No,actually even if your’e really, really nice about it, opposing the state sanctioned psycho-sexual dissection of children in Massachusettess Public Schools using pornographic homosex models will earn you lifetime targeted individual status with all the benefits.Opposing the RAPE PROGRAM of the sexual cannibalists on behalf of kindergarteners and their parents,a minimum duty of christians and non christians alike is very dangerous work for all! Your threat, “do what we say or else is ….” transparent.

        • nowaRINO

          Hyperbole much?

          • IvanRider

            Not to the man who was thrown in prison for asking for information about what his kindergartener was expected to read.

          • nowaRINO

            he became belligerent, Threatened violence and cased his own problems.

          • IvanRider

            That’s not anywhere in the report that I read, nor is it anywhere in the story as presented on YouTube. Unless by “threaten violence” you mean threaten to find another school. Or by “belligerent,” you mean demanding to know why his kindergartener was being made to read a book about swallowing cum.

          • nowaRINO

            You haven’t read what the principal said. There are two sides to the story.

          • Glen

            Dude get back to your stories about big foot.

            And stay off of right wing “news” sites. They have been demonstrably shown to make people dumber (less informed and misinformed).

    • M Jackson

      Your little melodramatic interlude was embarrassing. I’m sorry I read it.

    • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

      You should talk to someone about your paranoid delusions. Seriously.

      • IvanRider

        Like the Janczewskis, whose house was bombed?

        • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

          Or the lesbian couple in Miami, with 3 children, whose house was set on fire while children were sleeping by an anti-gay bigot? Two days ago? Yeah, that stuff happens all the time to the GLBT community.

  • humankind101

    Quick question Mr Barber – do you love or try to love these “…sex-obsessed anarchists”? Obviously God calls us to love others equally (without judgement as we do not have the right to judge) and so our words and deeds should come from a spirit of love. I believe this to be the cornerstone of Jesus’ teachings from which everything else hangs off. I ask because the implied tone of this article doesn’t come across this way. I can recognise a valid concern in your statements and respect and share your passion for questioning modern culture. It’s just difficult to see that your aim is to spread love. I thought it might be helpful to get an opinion of how you are coming across. Regards your brother-in-Christ.

    • Jeanette Victoria

      You need to go back and retread the judging verses you have a wrong interptation

      • nowaRINO

        There is the problem. Your interpretation is always correct. So the Founders wrote the Constitution so it doesn’t care about individual interpretations of what ever religion you may or may not have.

        • thisoldspouse

          There is not, cannot be, an multitude of “interpretations” on core verses of Scripture. Such an approach is intellectual anarchy.

          God meant ONE thing when he spoke these words through holy men moved by the Holy Spirit. It is blasphemy to teach otherwise.

          • Karmas_hitman

            So, your saying you know the mind of god LOLOLOLOLOL

          • IvanRider

            Let Scripture interpret Scripture. Check every verse according to other verses, NOT according to what’s popular for the day. And it is as possible to know a portion of the mind of God if he chooses to make it known (the entire point of divine revelation through the Word!) as it is possible for you to know a good deal about me from reading my wiki or blogs. But you’ll never know all there is to know about me. And you’ll never know all there is to know about God. But at no point is God going to leave his Word open to intellectual anarchy to suit the fancies of men.

          • thisoldspouse

            Says the stupid, mindless dolt.

            Is AIDS eating away what’s left of your brain?

          • portertx

            LOL — so which interpenetration is right? Evangelical? Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, LDS, Church of Christ, or one of the other 1500+ denominations interpretations?

            So who has the right version of the bible and interpretation.

            The Canon of Sacred Scripture, the Bible, was finalized in the Council of Carthage in 397 a.d. with 73 books

            Martin Luther took out 7 books from God’s Inspired word during the Protestant reformation, but Catholics still read the same and original Bible.

            And the most recent addition the Mormon Version…..

          • Doug Bristow

            Amen!

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Funny…I recall the Constitution mentioning “freedom of religion” but not sexual behavior. Hmmm.

          • Karmas_hitman

            Freedom of religion is freedom from YOUR religion

          • CajunPatriot

            Freedom of religion is a guarantee against governmental establishment of a particular religion or imposing government controls and regulations on religion as did England.

            Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

          • portertx

            Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness….

          • thisoldspouse

            You forget the “liberty” part.

          • portertx

            you mean your liberty only right?

    • Barbara Jolly

      An injustice against a co-founder of a company was committed here. People are angered and frustrated by this injustice. This man who had helped to start this company, a company which would not be here had it not been for this man, was forced to resign because he donated money to a cause he believed in and then later would not vocalize, under force, to reveal his beliefs. This is a violation of ones GOD given right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. This goes against the Constitution. We should be angry about it. Jesus was angry in the Church when people were selling their wares and only going to church to sin there and he wiped out all of their tables and kicked the people out of the church. We as Christians can get angry in regards to evil and sin. We love the sinner, but hate the sin.

      • John

        Nobody forced his resignation..only called for it. He made the choice.

  • Graham Dempster

    Repellent hogwash.

  • http://www.jesusbranch.com/ jesusbranch

    When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
    She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
    Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

    John 8:10-12

    • Matthew T. Mason

      And….point?

      • icapricorn

        Did you miss it, Matthew? The quotation is very much on point. As a reaction to this feverish, paranoid, judgemental screed.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          But what about it is, “feverish, paranoid, judgmental?”

          • icapricorn

            Well to begin with, it has no grounds in reality. The world doesn’t work this way. Gay people are not that powerful; their arguments are simply persuasive and in line with the guarantees in the Bill of Rights. Because the country now looks unfavorable on what used to be acceptable bigotry is nowhere near Nazism. There’s an old rule of internet commentary: The guy who mentions Hitler first has lost the argument. It’s a desperate ploy. The conservatives who have this fantasy about “homofascists” and the “gaystapo” have no idea of what the reality of living in Nazi Germay, Fascist Spain or Fascist Italy was like. To have a majority of the country dismissing your views on gay people, and mocking them, is not being “silenced.” It’s the rough and tumble of free speech. You get to speak out, but so do I.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Actually, Godwin’s law is in full effect on BOTH sides, not just one. I have been around here long enough to see it.

            ” The conservatives who have this fantasy about “homofascists” and the
            “gaystapo” have no idea of what the reality of living in Nazi Germany,
            Fascist Spain or Fascist Italy was like.”

            You are making an assumption based on nothing. The point conservatives are trying to make is simply this: Homosexuals are actively trying to, as Obama once put it, “fundamentally transform the United States of America.” But in that, they mean the systematic removal of this country’s moral fabric, replacing it with a moral anarchy.

            Those who are paying attention are not fooled. They see how homosexuals feel the need to punish individuals, businesses, organizations and even entire religious movements for simply exercising their right to stand up and say, no.

          • icapricorn

            Give me a break. The anti-gay groups call for a boycott every hour on the hour. Moral anarchy? Is that what the Bill of Rights looks like to you? And what’s this business about moral fabric — you mean the history of our country where slavery was winked at, the reason for wars lied about, regulatory laws that protect water and air are bought off? That moral fiber. Jesus had it right. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. In a secular country, which we are and always were, God can be understood by all to mean The Good. You just think gay people are evil because they don’t do things the way you do. This is a childish view of your neighbor, Neighbor.

        • Barbara Jolly

          Key words…GO AND SIN NO MORE.

    • Barbara Jolly

      The key words here are no one will “condemn thee, go and sin no more”. When we sin there is forgiveness but we are also not to conduct that sin any further.

    • M Jackson

      … crickets …

  • Sam

    It is absolutely right to defend traditional marriage. The gays are the ones who are doing wrong. Gay sex is immoral sex just like adultery. Let’s not try and cover a pile of dung with pretty fragrance. That doesn’t make it a flower. It is still a pile of doo. The gays cannot elevate their sexual behavior by trying to crush the institution of marriage down.

    • portertx

      Yet you allow adulterers to get married – even serial adulterers to get married you know like Newt Gingrich… Where are those laws to ban remarriage?

      Of course you have people like Bryan Fischer who want to imprison adulterers for 15 years……

      Just sounds like a christian version of sharia law…..

      • thisoldspouse

        Who allows adulterers to get married?

        • Karmas_hitman

          what law stops them

          • thisoldspouse

            Church’s laws. They don’t have to perform these. And many won’t.

          • Karmas_hitman

            LOL church laws, oh how quaint.
            and what church is that.

          • thisoldspouse

            You’re an awfully stupid dolt, aren’t you?

          • Karmas_hitman

            Oh look the child is calling people names, looks like you need your diaper changed and put down for a nap. Go on now and go to bed, let the adults talk now. children should been seen but not heard.

          • Karmas_hitman

            oh by the way if you add a few more line to your icon you can make the swastika your so fond of

          • Karmas_hitman

            :-)

          • Barbara Jolly

            Maybe the Catholic Church won’t allow people to remarry. Other churches will marry people who are divorced. People commit sin, they lose there way, then ask for forgiveness. We as Christians do not hate people, just as Jesus does, we hate their sin. Either we are with God and believe that his word is truth and complete as he has told us and we follow that truth and his word to the best of our abilities, or we are against God by believing the ways of the world and following them. A man who has lived the life of a gay man can ask for forgiveness of his sins and marry a woman. But to stand at an alter and marry another man is going against God and what he has made clear for us. That is not putting aside the sin that is continuing on in it. God knows are hearts. If we ask for forgiveness of a sin, knowing full well that we are going to commit it again, then there is no forgiveness because there is not true repenting of the sin.

          • M Jackson

            Who cares if this tinpot christian denomination or that one performs marriage ceremonies or not?
            Marriage is a civil action being granted to citizens as their legal right — no church has ever been coerced into performing a marriage ceremony, period.
            Why else do you think all the Getty images of gay couples on their wedding day are photos taken on the steps of courthouses, not churches?
            You don’t get to impose your religious beliefs onto the lives of citizens in the U.S.A. Sorry to break it to you.

          • IvanRider

            You weren’t paying attention in Canada, were you?

      • Barbara Jolly

        The Bible is very clear about divorce. It is also very clear about sin.

  • Indiana Conservative

    Marriage equal WHAT???????So these habitually offended sodomites can shove their penisis up their rearends ends?How do these idiots make love to each other?

    • Karmas_hitman

      when you learn the difference between love and sex, then you won’t be the fool you have just shown your self to be. Come back with intelligence, oh wait your a CONcervative, My bad i asked you to do the impossible

    • M Jackson

      Gee, why are you so curious? There’s plenty of smut straight and gay for you available on the internet.
      Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

  • icapricorn

    What, no Golden Calf? The “adoration” of a bread wafer sealed in a sunburst contraption is pure demonic idolatry. Shame on Catholics for calling themselves followers of Jesus!

    • Ernesto Che Satanas

      Conservatives eating their own.

      • thisoldspouse

        Who’s a conservative here?

    • IvanRider

      “This IS my body!” (In, with, under. NOT “becomes” and not “symbolizes.”) Shame on anyone who settles for symbolizes. They are being followers of Zwingli rather than followers of Christ.

  • Truth Offends

    “Sadly, many people, even many Christians, think that I and others are using hyperbole when we refer to this sexual anarchist “LGBT” movement as “homofascist” or the “Gaystapo.” I hope you’ll think again. It’s time to wake up and smell the impending anti-Christian persecution. It’s fully at hand.” ~Matt Barber

    To anyone who might question the truth of what Barber is saying, I say:
    Test it. Stand up publicly for truth. Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper voicing opposition to “gay-marriage,” or opposition to homosexuality being promoted to impressionable schoolchildren. Then, take cover! (I know from personal experience that “homofascism” is most certainly at work in America.)

    • Karen Mitchell

      You know that “persecution” you feel? That’s the same feeling people on the wrong side of history always feel. You aren’t being persecuted, you are just being told you are wrong.

  • Gregorio Thousandaire

    Open a history book. Whenever Gays become prominent in a society this is usually accompanied by corruption, decadence, and abuses, followed by pedophilia, and then eventual civilizational collapse. Gay lifestyles are never accompanied by Renaissance, but by corruption, oppression and perversion. It’s no wonder why there are backlashes against them throughout history.

    • icapricorn

      Another dispatch from the Twilight Zone.

    • Calvin Armstrong

      for example?

    • Barbara Jolly

      Can you provide some examples in history of this? I would like to read them.

    • M Jackson

      History is not a B-movie, you can’t be taken seriously.

    • vorpal

      LOL! Oh, wait: you were serious, weren’t you?
      Go seek help. You’re certifiably insane.

  • thisoldspouse

    So, let me get this straight (no pun intended.) Homofascists “win” in a kangaroo court, and they STILL want to exact vengeance against the loser years later?

    I don’t know how much vicious it’s possible to be.

    • portertx

      Let me understand your position a Christian (Boycott, Protest, a call for someone to be fired or to step down) is good…..Yet when any LGBT calls for (Boycott, Protest, a call for someone to be fired or to step down)..

      Just putting the word Christian front of something doesn’t “really” make it of Christ.

      • thisoldspouse

        My point apparently went completely over your head, and you went off on an ADD tangent somewhere else.

        My point as applied to Christians would be to presume that Ford backed off on their homosexual promotion, and the AFA then continues to call for the CEO’s head.

        • Karmas_hitman

          Your point matches the shape of your head lets play ring toss.

        • portertx

          And how many lively hoods have been ruined because of OneMillionMoms (more like a 100,000 for censorship?)

          So showing any LGBT couple on TV is “promotion” yet showing a heterosexual couple is not? You do know that gay people purchase things too right? And even have families.

          I how many people still went BONKERS when they had the interracial couple on the Cheerios commercial.

          And BTW — I call hypocrisy:

          “AFTAH and other pro-family groups have urged AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson and Ernst & Young CEO Jim Turley to resign from the Boy Scouts’ Executive Board due to their reckless pro-homosexual advocacy.”

          • thisoldspouse

            Opposite sex unions are normal.

            Same sex unions are deviant.

    • Karmas_hitman

      Look in the mirror “grouse” it called a reflection.

  • climate3

    Your hyperbolic hypocrisy is doing nothing but winning this battle for gays, Mr. Barber

    • Matthew T. Mason

      BZZT! Wrong. Try again.

      • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

        Actually, do please keep up the “sodomite” anti-gay rhetoric. Dress it in religion while you’re at it.

        Only a small percentage of the population wants to be associated with folks like you. You may have all sorts of supporters on this site and others like LifeSiteNews, but frankly you all are on the outer fringe and your numbers are quite small when compared to those who want nothing to do with your extreme views.

        Seriously, please keep it up!

        • chamuiel

          yes, gays numbers are quiet small.

    • thisoldspouse

      As homosexuals concoct hoax-crime after hoax-crime in a hyperbolic frenzy of fake martyrdom.

      • portertx

        No that would be the so called “religious liberty” hoax you all are trying to play on the American public….(it will back fire)

        I cannot your wait for the moment when you have an alternate religion calling for your imprisonment, firing, boycotts, and denial of public services…..because they have a serious and sincere held religious belief…

        fascism will come to america wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible

        • thisoldspouse

          LOL!!! The list of hoax-crimes by your sodomite friends is as long as my arm, and getting longer. Meanwhile, very real state persecution of Christians is provably happening, as private businesses (owned by private individuals, not the state) are told that their freedom to practice their religion has been suspended.

          • M Jackson

            What a pack of Lies.
            Give us one verifiable instance of ‘state persecution of Christians’ and the suspension of religious practice.
            From a reputable news source please, not something like BarbWire.
            Since the list is as long as your arm this shouldn’t be a problem.

          • thisoldspouse

            Will you believe it when I show you?

            If not, I won’t waste my time.

          • M Jackson

            So you’re opting out. Big surprise.

          • thisoldspouse

            I won’t knock myself out for some lobotomize sodomite who has their “mind” made up.

            Do your own research if you’re really interested, troll.

          • M Jackson

            We know you have nothing to back up your empty ideas.

          • John

            as soon as they pull the troll card they betray their own ignorance

          • climate3

            Uh u realize that calling gay folks sodomites and trolls only harms your cause.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            You are correct about the ‘troll’ usage. The pro-gay crowd has already cornered the market on the use of that word.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            So you’ve got nothing, eh?

          • vorpal

            I would at least consider it seriously if you shared it with me, thisoldspouse. I know that we’ve butted heads a few times here, but not all of our conversations, I think, have been counterproductive.

          • Natalie

            What more evidence do you need? You lgbt people can’t see your own fingers.

          • M Jackson

            Uh, maybe just one single example could be given for such an over-the -top inflammatory statement?

            Maybe you could give one, since you felt the need to weigh in, or are you also going to leave an empty comment and then chicken out?

          • Natalie

            Coming from the people who cry, whine and foam at people who dare to believe differently than others, who dare to have religious beliefs and give money to events that supports said beliefs.

            No. I’m not interested in you complaining about inflammatory comments when you are the definition of the word itself.

            I comment when I have time to. I have a life, you know.

          • vorpal

            Racists “dare to believe differently than others”, and we tell them to take a hike as well. The thing is that while we recognize that homosexuality and race are entirely distinct concepts, we view racial discrimination as being analogous to LGBT discrimination, i.e. as something that is shameful and dangerous and needs to be addressed. You’re entitled to whatever opinion you want, but you’re not entitled to not be criticized for holding it.

          • chamuiel

            yep michael jackson was a pervert. he was a pedophile.

          • M Jackson

            Missing children are found by Amber Alert — named for a little girl who was defiled and murdered. Was it by a homosexual? No. A heterosexual male pedophile. So I squarely and emphatically blame you for this and all other crimes perpetrated by your kind.
            See how that works?

          • antihatred

            Well Natalie, it is rather ironic that you stand with anti-lgbt people (as a black woman) who are a majority of republican conservatives and if not, all the extreme right. You can be sure they pray at the same churches in the south with the KKK which by the way, does not seem to be mix churches (segregation in the house of god?). Why do blacks and whites of the same faith have their separate churches? Moreover, I have never seen so much hate spewing between the parties until now with President Obama and receiving the title the Anti-Christ…could it be because he is a black man. Conclusion, the republican you share your views against the LGBT community are the party who would still have you in shackles if it were not for liberals–those who choose liberty for all. And by the way, the arguments the right has for the LGBT were the same they had for black being free and interracial marriages with their bible slogans. They just borrowed their ancestors slogans and substituted black for gay. Sleeping with the enemy…Peace

          • Natalie

            You meant democrats. However, I’m no republican either. Nice pathetic attempt at trying to compare my race to sexual perversion. Get better at history, and then we’ll talk.

          • antihatred

            The comparison was in regards to hatred and intolerance that two minority groups face from unfounded prejudices by people who use god to substantiate their hate mongering. Your views on gays are uncannily compatible with the right then with the left. You will find those who are intolerant towards gays are also intolerant towards blacks. Peace
            p.s. I have two masters and do know history well.

          • chamuiel

            the KKK was started by the Democrats.

            how long were you asleep, Rip?

          • chamuiel

            obamacare forcing religous people to provide birth control.

            should I go on, or did I answer you one ridiculous question?

          • M Jackson

            Well it’s certainly a ridiculous answer. When you buy into an insurance plan you don’t get to cherry-pick what parts of health care you will and will not pay for. You have never been able to, has nothing to do with ACA. So ‘religious people’ also have to pay for Rush Limbaugh’s Viagra, which they never complain about. And I’ve read the shameful stupid things you have written about the President on this scurrilous website, so pretty much anything you have to contribute is going to be a steaming pile.

          • portertx

            As private businesses (owned by private individuals) – yes that server the PUBLIC. Now if it was a private business not open to the general public – they can do as they please.

            Baking a cake is not a religious act — if it was they should have the same tax write offs as Church now shouldn’t they?

            I have yet to see anything as the persecution of Christian in this country. Have you been stopped from attending Church? Practicing your faith? Teaching your doctrine to your family?

          • thisoldspouse

            It is a silly premise that serving the “public” (who else would they serve, space aliens?) somehow makes someone subservient to the state. This is a very recent concoction that basically makes everyone a slave to the state, and was unknown to all previous generations.

            We fought an entire revolution to be free of this type of tyranny from England. Perhaps it’s time again.

          • portertx

            WOW – ” tyranny ” really?

          • thisoldspouse

            The fact that you don’t know what tyranny is speaks volumes.

          • portertx

            Ahh yes — are you of the ilk that says that if you dont like black people you should not have to serve black people?

          • thisoldspouse

            “Ahh yes — are you of the ilk that says that if you dont like black people you should not have to serve black people?”

            Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. Liberty is liberty. You prefer tyranny.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Actually our founding fathers often spoke about a government that would not allow for tyranny of the majority. you should educate yourself about this.

            Your version “liberty” is simply code to perpetuate your personal bigotry.

          • thisoldspouse

            No, tyrannies are typically of the MINORITY. That is what the GAystapo now wields.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            The phrase “tyranny of the majority” was used by John Adams in 1788. The phrase gained prominence after its appearance in 1835 in Democracy in America, by Alexis de Tocqueville, where it is the title of a section. It was further popularized by John Stuart Mill, who cites Tocqueville, in On Liberty (1859). The Federalist Papers refer to the broad concept, as in Federalist 10, first published in 1787, which speaks of “the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority.” When used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, the scenario in which decisions made by a majority place its interests above those of an individual or minority group, constituting active oppression comparable to that of tyrants and despots. In many cases a disliked ethnic, religious or racial group is deliberately penalized by the majority element acting through the democratic process.

            With approximately 73% of Americans reporting as some form of Christian, it would be ludicrous to call said group a minority. Your suggestion of tyranny of the MINORITY is equally ludicrous and a lame attempt a characterizing recent events to support your otherwise unsupportable claims.

            You’re just being silly.

          • chamuiel

            we are talking about homosexuals. they are a minority, and yet with you help are trying to impose their beliefs upon the marjority.

            you are sick.

          • pandainc

            First, the black situation. Black is a racial issue — a person with negroid characteristics can’t do much about it without spending scads of money on surgeries and bleaches. And there should be no commercial blockage whatsoever in their rights to transact business anywhere, anytime.

            Queer is a life-style choice. (And don’t call it gay, there’s nothing gay about it.) You are demanding that the force of the government be used against those who condemn that lifestyle and comparing that to the civil rights fights of the past. Let’s assume that you are in a church service with mebbeso 250 members. In come eight young idiots with inappropriate clothing for the occasion. They sit down in various places, don’t participate in the worship portion of the service, and during the sermon, jump up screaming “F — k all you Christian a$$holes” and start throwing used condoms and tampons around while running for the door. Don’t assume. It happened.

            And those little darlings’ rights are protected by the PC government, whereas Christians who morally support Biblical dicta are considered aberrant. Can’t have it both ways, Elliott.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Gotta like to support your story? Where’d it happen? What church? No proof and your story is BS. Wondering if the same church was picketed afterwards with a group holding signs that says god hates fags.

            Negroids? Really? Says it all.

          • pandainc

            Gee, you’re pretty quick on the draw.

            I referred to blacks, not Negroids. I said Negroid characteristics which is a description of a particular race, not an ethnic slur. I could just as easily have described myself has having Caucasoid characteristics — but I betcha you knew that … even as you were writing your inappropriate condemnation.

            Proof. I suppose if I had to, I could dig up mebbe 100 or so of my fellow congregants who were there and who could dig into their memories and attest to the incident. It happened in a larger Presbyterian church in Colorado Springs a few years back during the 1100 service — two of the little darlings (think they were females, but it was hard to tell) were sitting next to my wife and me. The reaction of the congregation was to say, in loud voices, “God bless you!” to them as they were fleeing the scene. And no, the church was not picketed, by anyone, and certainly not by its congregants.

            Lastly, God (note the capital ‘G’) doesn’t hate fags; however, He’s just not too keen on their activities.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            That story would have made the papers, yet no record at all? What’s up with that?

            PS: I was raised a Presbyterian yet I never heard about it either. Praise god from whom all blessing flow.

          • pandainc

            First, it was considered a local issue (I note you don’t claim to be from the Springs) and did receive a brief item in the G/T. No charges were pressed, as the fine young queers disappeared. No formal mentions were made within the PCA, and if you still are a Presbyterian (you might learn to spell God with a capital) you’re probably PCUSA. This is the last response — your blathering is non-productive, and rather annoying.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            So you can provide a link to the article in the G/T? I didn’t think so.

            Silly that you would even think that your story is worse than the daily floggings that the LGBT community receives from folks like you.

          • chamuiel

            the founding fathers did not say anything about a minority, which is what gay perverts are.

          • chamuiel

            what does that have to do with your sickness?

          • Peter Quebbeman

            You don’t know it either obviously, Christian fundamentalism is the main source of tyranny in the US.

          • chamuiel

            according to sick perverts.

          • pandainc

            Not really. Try Islamic fundamentalism. And please spare me the Islamaphobic garbage.

          • chamuiel

            yes, tyranny imposed by a very small minority.

          • John

            poor persecuted christian

          • nowaRINO

            If you do not wish to serve all the public with everything on your menu become a private club or a house of worship as allowed by law.

          • chamuiel

            why/ The gays are even attacking private clubs, and house of worship.

          • nowaRINO

            citations please?

          • Karen Mitchell

            If you want the privilege of living and doing business in this so called “greatest country ever”, then you play by its rules and those rules state that everybody deserves equal treatment. If you want to believe in some myth and practice the associated rituals and even indoctrinate your children, nobody is stopping you. We will step in, however, if you cause harm. If you want to live in a country that is run by religion, by all means, move to the Middle East and see how well that works.

          • thisoldspouse

            There is no “granted” privilege to “live and do business” at the government’s permission. That is tyranny.

          • portertx

            yeah no need for the FDA, EPA, or Health Codes either right? So open a restaurant and if people die of food poising they should have shopped better right? The market will send them packing right?

          • chamuiel

            We do not need the EPA, and several other Government agencies. under obama, they have way over stepped their bounds. another one is the education department. We could do away with it and allow the states to handle that function.

            Under the Constitution, there are many things the Government is involved in that they shouldn’t be.

          • thisoldspouse

            And if you want to live in a country complete absent the influences of Christianity, you would LOVE North Korea.

            So, will that be a one-way ticket?

          • chamuiel

            in other words you perverts will run to obama’s liberal courts.

          • pandainc

            And if you wish to denigrate that ‘myth’ it’s your soul if it turns out to be fact, but sally forth. But please tell me what is the point of putting a bakery out of business to prove that you have the right to trample on them with what they consider to be immoral?

          • Karen Mitchell

            I’m willing to ‘take my chances’. Fairy tales don’t frighten me.

          • pandainc

            Your choice. How ’bout an answer to the question?

          • Connie

            Yes, when you trample upon our first amendment rights to stand up for traditional marraige and attack Christianity, we are presecuted. There is no other term for it. The homo activists are just as bad as the Muslims that kill us in Arab countries.

          • portertx

            Really — Stand up for marriage (please do) noone is preventing you from getting married or teaching your version of Christianity to your family.

            Would you be willing to pass laws to prevent remarriage of people whom committed adultery?

            How about removing no fault divorce?

            Does the person down the street whom believes in 100 gods impact your belief in one god?

            Then how does a persons belief in same-sex marriage impact your belief in “traditional marriage”.

            BTW which “traditional Marriage” are you referring too? As marriage has transformed over the centuries….

            You know from arranged marriages to polygamy to having to marry your dead brothers wife.

          • chamuiel

            how about laws to prevent gays from getting married. what you people do is against nature and it is a lifestyle chosen by you.

          • Karen Mitchell

            You are confused. It would be trampling on your rights if you were forced into a “gay marriage” and “heterosexual marriage” was forbidden. The homosexual community is not trying to do that. They just want the equality to marry whomever they please – like you can already do. That’s not infringing on your rights at all.

          • Alex Schamenek

            No homosexuals in the US are being forbidden to marry each other.

          • John

            Nopers. They gain ground on a daily basis with 17 states now having marriage equality

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Don’t forget the 15 to 16 countries that support marriage equality. Or the 7 or 8 additional states where marriage equality will be the law before the 2016 Presidential election.

          • chamuiel

            don’t for get the countries like russia, and some in africa that think gays are perverts, which is exactly what you people are.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Ah yes, third world countries have advanced SO much further than the USA. You should move there.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Really? Then why all the fuss? Why have Federal Courts and the SCOTUS been involved?

          • chamuiel

            the homosexual community already has that same exact right. any woman can marry any man that will have her, and men can marry any woman who will have them..

            what you are asking for is special rights for a very small sick minority.you can couch it in any language you wish, but you are still asking for special rights by a minority.

          • John

            poor, poor whiny persecuted christian,,,,,,,,LOL! So when you have to do business with the gay community, its persecution?

          • chamuiel

            poor, poor whiny little persecuted gay minority.

            can you even see he hypocrisy and intolerance in your statement?

          • portertx

            You know what stand up for traditional marriage already –
            Are you being barred from having a “traditional marriage”?
            Is anyone in your family being barred from a “traditional marriage”?
            Are you being forced to have a same sex marriage?
            is anyone in your family being forced to have a same sex marriage?

            NO NO and NO….

            When will I see laws outlawing divorce, making parents accountable for their off-spring, outlawing remarriage and adultery — then you may have something – otherwise stay out of other peoples private affairs.

          • MmeBB

            “otherwise stay out of other peoples private affairs.”
            What a good idea, yet that is just what the bullies who forced Eich did not do.

          • portertx

            And Christianist did to world vision.

          • chamuiel

            no one forced world vision to become perverted.

          • vorpal

            NO ONE forced Eich to do anything.

          • chamuiel

            you only forced mozilla to bend their knee and to have eich resign. how long have you been living in an alternate reality?

            Oh!.thats right, you are gay.

          • vorpal

            And you’re clearly an idiot whose goal is simply to be as inflammatory as possible. Perhaps you should actually try to get a point instead of repeating your silly nonsense.

          • MmeBB

            Right…

          • chamuiel

            why do perverts want to marry? what put that idea in your head?

          • Vision Rider

            People are being stopped from being allowed to hold or voice their personal opinions in public. The PC police will descend upon them with both feet. That is a form of persecution in my world and it is actively practiced here in the United States.

            The idea that all religious activity must be contained in your own private world is also another form or persecution. To those who are afraid to be exposed to religion by someone who is willing to proclaim their faith I say grow up life is not all about only you.

          • portertx

            Really – you may be stopped from enacting your version of Sharia Law on America…Common Law is secular not religious.

          • chamuiel

            portertx, if sharia law was imposed upon America, you and your ilk would suddenly become deathly quiet.

          • vorpal

            No one is being stopped from voicing their opinions in public. However, when you state your opinions, people WILL react, and may respond. If you call that “being stopped”, you have a poor understanding of justice and law.

            You are NOT free to speak your mind and expect no responses or consequences for doing so.

          • vorpal

            Indeed, even though I think far-right Christianity is the closest thing to organized collective evil that we have in the US and is deeply harmful to the self, family, children, and society, if your freedoms were actually threatened, I would fight for your right to practice and express it as you see fit, both privately and publicly.

          • CajunPatriot

            How about far-left Christianity? Is that the kind of Christianity that God calls “lukewarm” and will vomit out of His mouth?

          • vorpal

            Yes, of course that’s your opinion. Your impression that all Christians on the left are lukewarm is erroneous. They simply choose to view their religion as an inspiration to bring love and kindness into the world, whereas you use it as a tool of authoritarianism. When I read the Wikipedia page on the “Christian Left”, I was quite surprised to see what I suspect most people think Christianity should be instead of the hateful, irritating, evil stupidity that the far-right have tried to turn it into.

          • chamuiel

            putting your penis in another mans anus is not religious.

            so, why is it legal?

          • lenscraft

            This is a blatant lie, which in my religion is a sin. You cannot provide a single example of someone whose freedom to practice their religion has been suspended. Unless you’re thinking of churches that want to marry gay couples? I guess you have a point there… Those churches are being oppressed by extremist religious groups working hand-in-hand with politicians.

        • CajunPatriot

          Fascism has already come to America from men who love other men’s anuses.

          • portertx

            Fascism has already come to America from men who love women’s anuses….

          • CajunPatriot

            Since I do not know any men who love women’s anuses and if there are some I have not seen them flaunt it in public, use the political and judicial system to screw with traditional marriage and established norms which have served society very well for millenia.

            Since you are of “reprobate mind” I am sure you cannot understand these things and find yourself identified as your sexual preference, whereas I do not.

            Also, I defended your liberty, not your license.

          • John

            you dont know many men do you?

          • CajunPatriot

            I know many more “real” men than you will ever know. Hundreds who served with me that I meet with yearly or more often. Hundreds of other men in my church and community I meet with weekly.

            How many true “men of God” do you know?

          • John

            Well lessee here….there are all of the men with whom I served in the military, and the doctors, nurses, rt’s , etc with whom I work, etc, etc. See Im a married man with two beautiful children but Im sure that goes against your assumption that I’m gay. As an atheist, I dont really hang around christians that much.

          • chamuiel

            oh goody, an atheist pervert.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I am sure that those men who practice sodomy with their g/f’s do not go around telling their friends that they had a good time in their g/f’s butt last night!

          • vorpal

            I haven’t met a gay man, either, who loves men’s anuses and flaunts that fact in public.

          • CajunPatriot

            Come to Mardi Gras in New Orleans, there are a couple of parades you can choose that do not go down the main streets, but will prove you are wrong, very wrong.

          • vorpal

            Given what I’ve heard happens at Mardi Gras, I wouldn’t be entirely surprised, but there are handfuls of perverts everywhere. It doesn’t describe but a small percentage of gay men.

          • vorpal

            Also, no one is defining themselves by their sexual orientation, although your ability to share romantic love is undeniably a pretty important part of who you are.

            When I identify myself as right-handed, am I defining myself? When I identify myself as blue-eyed, am I defining myself? See how descriptive labels can be useful and don’t necessarily equate to defining oneself?

          • chamuiel

            ‘Also, no one is defining themselves by their sexual orientation”

            what? That is all you gays do. yo can’t shut up about it.

          • vorpal

            We can’t shut up about it because you’re making it an issue.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Actually a recent CDC report indicated that almost a third of women 18-44 indicated that they have practiced anal sex with their boyfriend or husband. Given that gays and lesbians, according to this board, represent less about 1.5% of the population, then heterosexuals are at least 20 times more likely to be “sodomites”.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            The term ‘sodomite’ applies only to SOME heterosexuals. However, the term applies to ALL practicing homosexuals.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Given the above, the number of heterosexuals that practice sodomy is 20 for each homosexual. So my question is, why no disgust at the substantially larger group of heterosexual practicers? And the only answer one can come up with is your disgust is driven purely by animus.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I guess you use the term ‘animus’ because you presume that I think sodomy is ok between heterosexuals but not between homosexuals. Is that it?
            I did not know that you could read one’s mind or that you know my thoughts simply because of what I did not say.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            I’ve never heard a peep out of anyone here about the much wider “issue” of heterosexual sodomy. Nope the chastising has been reserved for just “those dirty gays”. So no, I cannot read your thoughts, but it is hard to miss your intent.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Does someone who steals have the right to object to being called a thief? Does someone who kills another
            person have a right to object to being called a murderer? Does one part of a couple have the right to object to being called an adulterer when they commit adultery?

            Is it considered demeaning, rather than simply factual, to be called a sodomite when your sexual practices involve sodomy and no other form of intercourse? I am sure that no one wants to be defined by their sexual activities.

            Although sodomy is practiced by heterosexuals, gays are the ones who have sought and earned that title. I would guess that those who object to the term are the ones crying for acceptance because heteros also perform such acts. Those gays who object to being called abnormal or unnatural are the ones crying for acceptance because animals do it.

            Sodomy, no matter who the performers are, is based solely upon lust! The half of the couple denying it is being disingenuous.

            Homosexuals are the ones who got sodomy legalized through the court system. As a consequence, unfair or not, sodomy and homosexuals will forever be linked together, no matter how many heteros practice it.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Hogwash.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I guess the ‘former representative elliott’ has withdrawn all his comments from the conversation, apparently because he has no legitimate response!

          • chamuiel

            And pray tell, how would you know that?

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Stupid that ignorance, hate and bigotry towards gays and lesbians caused the death of a 4 year old child?

            Absolutely.

          • CajunPatriot

            Did sodomists rape and kill Jesse Dirkhising. Did their perversions produce such Sexually Aberrant Deviants who raped and killed a young teen? Absolutely.

        • BG

          That alternate religion will likely be Islam which will enjoy cutting your head off as much as mine. President Obama said at first that he believed marriage

          • portertx

            Really – so you want to cut my head off – well that definitely doesn’t make you a Christian in any sense of the word…

          • chamuiel

            considering you are a pervert, we will just leave that up to the muslims.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I guess you have a problem with reading comprehension, Porter, eh?
            IF you had understood BG’s comment, you would have known that he included himself as one of those being decapitated.

        • vorpal

          I’m thinking about starting my own religion in which we hold a sincere belief that far-right Christians are the purest form of evil and need to be administered with regular public spankings.

          • chamuiel

            have you always been delusional?

            I thought earlier you perverts were saying no one is trying to stop anyone from their beliefs.

            Now, here you are proving that lip service to be lies.

          • vorpal

            I’ve never been delusional. It’s called joking around. You’ll see in my other posts that I actively state that I would fight for your right to believe whatever delusional idiocy you want to.

          • Glen

            Ha!!! Wow. You people TRULY are dumb.

            That’s not just an insult. That’s a clinical analysis.

        • chamuiel

          more sick people, are you.

      • Karmas_hitman

        oh get off the cross I need the wood for a fire.

    • chamuiel

      you are sick.

      • climate3

        what a witty comeback. be still my heart.

      • vorpal

        I’m sick of the nonsense rhetoric and blatant fear mongering I see about LGBT people here. If you have a point, make it without jerking your knee through the roof.

  • BeantownBoy

    Hmmm…I recall “Christian” boycotts of Disney, Home Depot, Starbucks, Target, and JC Penney to name a few, more recently, the Boy Scouts and World Vision. All except for the latter failed, however, when a boycott is waged against something these so-called “Christians” praise and it works, these “Christians” scream homofascists or Gaystapos. Be proud of your prejudice and discrimination and accept the consequences of your actions. Take the plank out of your own eye.

    • thisoldspouse

      GayC Penneys is doing just fabulous now?

      • Hoppyman50

        Nope, they are closing stores faster then enrolees in Obama care…lol

    • Rockon

      Boycotts are people exercising their free will to be consumers or not. They are not USING THE GOVERNMENT to force people or businesses to close down. For example, if you want to boycott a restaurant (and get many others to do the same) based on who they will or won’t serve, have at it…that’s what living in a free country is all about. But when you start using the government to force restaurant owners to serve people they don’t want to, you’re sliding towards a tyrannical state.

      • BeantownBoy

        Exactly…now where are those separate lunch counters?

        • thisoldspouse

          You don’t even know what your little canard means, do you? Just vomit out the pre-packaged talking point on cue, like a Pavlov’s dog.

          I’ll assume you were referring to the “Jim Crow” laws which existed in some of the areas of the U.S. up until the 1960’s. What these laws did was what homofascists wish to do today, ironically – MAKE business owners server or not serve specific groups of people. Under Jim Crow, even businesses who wished to serve blacks equally with whites were NOT ALLOWED TO DO SO by law.

          • Karmas_hitman

            oh look it has word vomit, stand back now folks it bites too LOL

          • chamuiel

            do you have anything intelligent or worthwhile to say?

          • John

            do you?

        • chamuiel

          yours will be in the back. enjoy.

        • Shadow_58

          Forthcoming!!!!!!

      • Karmas_hitman

        So you would have no problem with businesses not serving people like you just because you are you, BTW when you use your phone or your computer you help the companies that help gay people, so thanks for your donations.

        • Rockon

          No problem at all. I would just find a venue (product and service) that will. And I try my best to only support businesses and venues that don’t endorse sin and unhealthy behaviors.
          In other words, I do what I can do.

          • chamuiel

            gays don’t do that. they run to the nearest judge, and cry.

        • chamuiel

          if i walk into a restaurant and cause a ruckus, they can and will refuse to serve me.

      • lenscraft

        Yes, and what you just said doesn’t apply in this case. The government never got involved in the Eich case.

    • chamuiel

      and didn’t you gays try to pull your b.s. against chick-fil-a?

      It amazes mes me how you people can accuse others of being intolerant?

      • John

        Kinda like how you and your ilk boycott anything and everything without success?

    • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

      If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

      Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Romans 1: 24, 25, 26, 27.

      The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5.

      Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7

      Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1 Corinthians 6: 9.

      Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. 1 Timothy 1:9,10.

      And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Lev 20: 15, 16.

      Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 18: 22, 23.

    • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

      Does God support same sex relationships?

      The Bible is very clear. There is only one intimate sexual relationship God honors: one man – one woman in a publicly recognized marriage. Some try to justify polygamy because of Bible examples but every polygamous marriage in the Bible is spoken of in a negative manner. Men did it but God never approved it. Homosexuality is universally condemned in the Bible. In Romans 1 God says that the act is unclean, dishonors the body, vile affection, against nature and unseemly. He hates transvestitism (Deut 22.5) and men acting effeminately (1 Cor 6.9). He calls homosexual behavior ‘abuse.’ Those engaged in homosexual, premarital, and extramarital relationships all received the same judgment: death. While it is popular today to be tolerant inclusive and generally accepting of all obtuse and perverse behavior God still hates it. And that includes the oxymoron “same-sex marriage.”

      • Hoppyman50

        Ray, one cannot reason with these who are blind. I wen’t back and forth with one person that refused to take the literal translation of the text. It doesn’t do any good, if one is not of God and rejects His truths and choses to deny His, they will remain blind.

        • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

          2 or 3 years ago I talked with a homosexual on CNS News. I presented God’s word on this subject and the
          homosexual said they are going to find a way to kick
          God off His throne. CNS News kicked me off the website
          for opposing sodomy.

          • Hoppyman50

            Not surpassing of you being kicked off seeing not all who call themselves Christians are. Many deny the truth.

            I had a great history teacher in high school and he made a comment one day and he said “times change people don’t”, the homosexual repeated his fathers words, that he would raise himself above God. The Sodomites wished to have relations with the angels. Who would be surprised that this one guy you were talking to would say less. The irony in your statement is he actually knows there is a God, in his anger and distain he, in his heart believes that the creator of this world is but a mere man. I’ll post 2 Timothy 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.”

            And men deny the hand of God in the Bible…

    • Shadow_58

      Actually, I’m da*n proud of my prejudice and discrimination against Gays and Lesbians. Also, I don’t believe there is a member of either group big enough or bad enough to dish out any consequences.

  • Karmas_hitman

    Sooooo let me get this correct, the right wing says that only 3 % of the population is gay, and yet that small group has the power to control the planet, defy a god, overturn countries. Well count me in. Now bow before me LOLOLOL. dont worry your already on your knees.

    • Rockon

      Homosexual activists are well-funded money-yielding juggernauts. Blurring the lines between them and just everyday regular people makes you sound disingenuous.

      • icapricorn

        Surely, it’s the churches that are well-funded, money-yielding juggernauts. When gay people get to own real estate tax free and have weekly pulpits from which to preach their ideology to a cowed congregation weaving in their seats with their eyes closed, then we can talk about power.

        • Karmas_hitman

          can I get an amen

        • Rockon

          The average pastor or priest isn’t making what Joel Osteen is making. And the average mega-church pastor are (1. ) the exception not the norm, and (2.) the mega-church pastors are typically cowardice or affirming when it comes to this issue. The average homosexual ACTIVIST at HRC makes 70gs per year. You can make over $30 ayear just as a paid intern. The CEO Presidents of HRC, GLAAD, GLSEN make anywhere between $300,00 a year to 1-2 million.

      • Karmas_hitman

        we got the money, by being smarter and better at our jobs than the other person. Jealous much…..

        • Rockon

          Oh there is no question, homosexual ACTIVISTS have been very effective and smart with putting forth and marketing their propaganda. “Smart” doesn’t always make right, though.

          • Karmas_hitman

            Your are correct we have out smarted you, we have learned, we have adapted. we evolve. We have always been here, we will always be here. What I find amazing is that your group, given all your numbers have not figured that out.

            One other thing, we know your fear, we have had to deal with your fear for ages and ages. What you have failed to realize, even with your killing of us, the passing of hate laws and your use of religion to try to get rid of us, YOUR Kind has failed. We are your children, your brothers and your sisters, we are your parents as well. What you do to us you do to your selves. One day your kind will learn to love itself. there is always hope.

          • Rockon

            Becoming skilled marketers and propagandists doesn’t necessarily mean you have the truth or history on your side. “My kind” is the reason why you exist. Do you really hate your parents and yourself that much?

          • vorpal

            I think he meant “your kind” as in anti-gay bigots and not “your kind” as in heterosexuals. I’m gay and almost all of my friends are heterosexuals, and they support me completely.

          • Karma_HitMan

            Becoming skilled marketers and propagandists doesn’t necessarily mean you have the truth or history on your side. I say that about religion EVERY day, thank you so much for that, it will come in handy.

            As for your question, Do you really hate your parents and yourself that much. I love my parents and I love my self, I am willing to fight to my death their right to be who they are, as I will fight to your death my right of life and liberty. Just so we are clear.

          • Karma_HitMan

            Becoming skilled marketers and propagandists doesn’t necessarily mean you have the truth or history on your side. Yes I say that about religion every day.

    • DaveBroadus

      And if 3% of the population marries who they wish it will bring the downfall and destruction of marriage for all straight people! It’s amazing how much power we have!

      • thisoldspouse

        Can I counterfeit 3% of the entire money supply, and them come and spend it at your business? Thanks!

        • Karmas_hitman

          I dont serve your kind LOLOLOLOL

      • Karmas_hitman

        I know right, such power, such grace.

        BTW thisoldgrouse is very funny in an old evil gutter rat kinda way

    • Guest

      You are indulging your histrionics and attributing things to LGBT people that are simply untrue. We don’t control the planet: people’s hearts are simply changing to see that a minority group doesn’t deserve to be on the receiving end of discrimination for their ability to share, experience, and feel love. No one is defying any god, and indeed, most LGBT people in the US are Christians: they disagreeing with you on whether or not homosexuality is a sin is not the equivalent of defying a god.

      And where exactly have we overturned a country?

      Geez man, if you have to be that theatrical to try to prove a point, you don’t have a point to prove.

    • vorpal

      I’m an idiot. Comment deleted. Ha! Sorry!

  • DaveBroadus

    Um…riigghht. So, let me get this straight: If a company donates to a gay cause, or expresses their support for gay rights or gay marriage and religious zealots condemn them and stage boycotts, shouting from whatever pulpit will have them, and that’s called ‘Free Speech’. But if a religious zealot is told that he is an idiot for using religious bigotry, ignorance and junk science to discriminate against gay people, that’s being fascist? Are you serious??? As far as I can tell, no gay rights organisation called for this guy to resign. The people that did that were individuals who worked for the company he was set to run, as they didn’t want to work for an idiot. And you turn this into some ‘proof’ that all gay people want to kill Christians? You are seriously, seriously sick, dude. Really, you need mental help.

    • Rockon

      Boycotts are people exercising their free will to be consumers or not.
      They are not USING THE GOVERNMENT to force people or businesses to close down. For example, if you want to boycott a restaurant (and get many
      others to do the same) based on who they will or won’t serve, have at
      it…that’s what living in a free country is all about. But when you
      start using the government to force restaurant owners to serve people
      they don’t want to, you’re sliding towards a tyrannical state.

      • Karen Mitchell

        So, a restaurant should be able to refuse service to blacks based on their (restaurant owners) so called religious beliefs? Then where do we stop? I mean, you understand that people would be allowed to refuse service to Christians, right?

        • Rockon

          According to black man Alfonso Rachel (Google him) and I agree with him, as long as we have a free market system, we can take our business to a competitor. That’s freedom. Having government force us to service who we don’t want to gives them the role of “god” and that is a dangerous concept.

        • Chik

          Where do we stop? We stop mentioning blacks every time a gay issue comes up. Stop equating gays with blacks as a persecuted minority. The average black has no more in common with gays than any other ethnic group. Remember too, that Christianity is not a “white thing”. There are billions of Christians all over this world, and there are several million black American Christians, too.

          • NotRedYet

            Cock

          • Glen

            You’re clearly a bigot AND a racist.

            Your words reveal you as clear as glass.

            By-the-way, the percentages of Christians in the world is dropping daily. Rapidly. While the number of those unaffiliated with any religion is the 3rd largest demographic group world wide and growing rapidly.

          • Chik

            Yes, its the herd’s instinct to follow the spoor. I advise the spiritually blind to bet the other way lest they find themselves neckdeep in it. The majority is ALWAYS wrong.

          • 361036

            “You’re clearly a bigot AND a racist.”

            Is this you express your so-called “tolerance”?

          • Glen

            That’s how I express my tolerance of the dirt like Matt Barber, Chik, and ilk who would go WAY beyond calling someone ‘dirt’ and actually trying to impose real tangible harms in the lives of other people.

            Now if you and they wanted to sit in here and have yourselves a good old anti-gay hate fest while dreaming of how much your god will reward you for it, nobody would give a flying ***k, and nobody (including me) would be in here calling your scum, dirt, bigots, etc… We wouldn’t care less what you do. Well some might care, but I wouldn’t.

            But that’s not what you people do. You actively try (and try HARD) to bring REAL harms into the lives of gay people though anti-gay legislation, and maintaining 2nd class citizenship status of them. THAT is absolute evil.

          • Chik

            And you’re clearly dyslectic, obviously.

          • Chik

            He’s dyslectic.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Do you have any idea how many gay and lesbain Christians there are?

            But hey, go ahead and throw them under the bus. That’s sure to get you a ticket to heaven. Or not.

          • Karen Mitchell

            What the two (blacks and gays) have in common is the discrimination they face and have faced (usually by the hands of religion). I’m guessing you are one of those discriminatin’ types.

          • Chik

            Religion? I venture you are a member of the biggest religion on earth: Humanism. It is the spirit of communism. You whine about social injustice and inequality, spouting cloyed platitudes, ad nauseam. Your phony “democratic” liberal policies are destroying America, especially the poor and the innercity blacks. The only persecution blacks suffer comes from the nanny state which tells them they can’t make it. But thank God, millions of conservative blacks see through you and still believe in the American dream. Are you blind to the achievements of blacks in every sphere of our “racist” society? As to gays, what more could they ask for? They are allowed their filthy hedonist parades, same sex “marriages,” and they are in the classroom too, indoctrinating innocent children. And when Christians exercize their God-given rights not to accomodate them, they scream discrimination. Apparently, you have sharper eyesight than I do. The only hateful discrimination I see comes from the left, and certainly from militant gays.

          • Karen Mitchell

            Wow, you really think you know me, huh? Well, wrong. But I know you. Christian. Right wing. Anti-anything you don’t like or do. You want to shove your beliefs on the rest of us but we are not allowed to reciprocate. Hell, I bet you watch Fox News and listen to Limbaugh/Hannity/O’Reilly/Beck. I don’t understand your malfunction at all. I’m not gay and I don’t care if anybody is. Nor do I spend any time pondering the mechanics of their homosexual sex. I certainly don’t care who marries whom. Why would I? I’m busy living my life as I see fit. As should we all. You don’t seem to understand that freedom of speech, from religion, and pursuit of happiness isn’t limited to only that which you would do and say. It is you Christians who are crying discrimination. We say ‘provide evidence of the existence of your god’ and you all cry that you are being persecuted. You aren’t allowed exceptions under the law to discriminate and your “religious rights” are being violated. You can’t infiltrate public schools with your brand of nonsense and you cry discrimination. Somebody says ‘happy holidays’ instead of ‘merry xmas’ and it’s a war on Christians and your holiday. You Christian Taliban types are a bunch of hateful whiners who want this country to be Xian run. Ain’t gonna happen. Further, we’re coming after your tax exemption status; I foresee a day when all religious institutions will have to pay their fair share in taxes. Bwuh huh huh huh

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Because we are unable to prove that our God exists means that we should not be allowed to live our lives according to our beliefs?
            Why should atheists be allowed to dictate what is seen and heard in society, when they cannot prove that our God does not exist? Furthermore, if they don’t believe our God exists, why are they even offended that we openly display our beliefs?

          • vorpal

            You should be allowed to live your beliefs however you want, and even though I feel that your belief in god is erroneous, I would fight to the death to support your right to do so if it came to it.

            However, at the same time, you do not have the right to impose the Christian equivalent of Sharia law on the US or turn this country into a Christian theocracy.

          • NotRedYet

            Bank robbers, pick pockets, con artists, child molesters, and all other criminals “should be allowed to live your(their) beliefs however you want” , real liberal philosophy.

          • vorpal

            If you can’t tell the difference between a Christian or gay person and a criminal, then you’re beyond help.

          • 361036

            Vorpal, if your next-door neighbor owned a slave, would you impose your beliefs on your neighbor and emancipate the slave?

            Read your statement again. You’re saying you would actually fight to the death for your neighbor to keep a slave even if you found that keeping a slave is “erroneous.”

          • Chik

            Romans 1:20 sums it up clearly. No further “proof” needed. There’s no such thing as an atheist, or agnostic (one who sits on the fence pretending to be confused) because all of you know of God’s exixtence. No, I don’t watch FOX (so-called “right wing”), and certainly not CNN and the other controlled Alphabet networks, nor do I tune in to “501 ministries”. Real Christian ministries do not seek tax-exemption. And other than giving gifts, I don’t celebrate Christmas (Jesus wasn’t born on Dec. 25th, anyway). Oh, yes; I must be confused because here I thought it was the libtards who were always crying about discrimination. Thanks for your input ;) I’ll bet you think I’m a Republican, too. Wrong again. There’s NO difference between the two Parties now. Their purpose is to keep the rank-and-file voters (programmed nitwits) thinking they have a “choice,” and while distracting them with one non-issue after another, our elected officials (most of them are banker-controlled communists) are destroying our constitution. What’s that? That’s the “old irrevelant document” thay say is outdated. BTW, when you finally do get rid of Christians, you’ll find your freedoms have vanished, too.

          • Glen

            You certainly do have a lot of things backwards Chik, not the least of which is this… “because all of you know of God’s existence

            Actually it is you who know of your “god’s” non-existence. In the back of your mind you DO realize and understand it isn’t real. Very much like a child may know that Santa Claus isn’t real before they finally admit it to themselves.

            It’s evidenced however by your ever present attempts to convince yourself that it exists. But you have zero evidence. You have to claim that you just ‘know’ that he/she/it does.

            Atheists however get to go 24/7/365 with the observation that there is absolutely no evidence for this thing, and it doesn’t make plausible rational logical sense regardless.

            Yes Chik you DO know that there is no god, it doesn’t exist. Perhaps one day, like the child, you will finally admit it to yourself.

          • Chik

            You certainly do have a lot of things backwards, Glen. ;-)

          • vorpal

            Gay people can ask for acceptance and social condemnation of vile and disgusting attitudes like yours. Note that that doesn’t infringe upon your freedom of speech or make you the victim any more than a racist is a victim of society, as much as you might believe otherwise.

          • Josef Francisco

            I hope you gain a shred of compassion when you realize how difficult queer youth lives are constantly being told how “filthy” they are for being themselves. Bigotry like this is the reason why gay people are 4 times more likely to commit suicide.

          • vorpal

            The far-right needs to stop this nonsense. No one is suggesting that race and sexual orientation are the same thing: however, discrimination IS discrimination, and thus in this battle against discrimination, it makes sense to look backwards at previous battles and learn from them.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Oh, BULL! That claim is made DAILY on any and every thread that has anything to do with homosexuality. DAILY.

          • vorpal

            And the idiotic claim that race and sexual orientation should never be compared in any way, nor should the discrimination that each suffers, is made DAILY on any thread that has anything to do with homosexuality. DAILY.

            (The fact that the claim is made regularly invalidates the claim itself precisely how…?)

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Personal choices are not the same as race, and cannot be treated as the same.

          • vorpal

            Okay, so we won’t compare religion – which is a personal choice – with race. Homosexuality, though, is not a personal choice.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            It’s a sin, which means it’s a choice.

          • vorpal

            Regardless of what you say, same-sex attraction (i.e. HOMOSEXUALITY) is not a choice. Certainly, acting on same-sex attraction IS a choice, but it is important to make the distinction, and while you can continue to insist that same-sex attraction (i.e. homosexuality) is a choice, you are simply wrong, and indeed, you are choosing to be wrong.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Homosexuality is an act. It’s also a sin. People choose to sin or not. If you disagree, that’s your option, and you can debate that with God when the day comes.

          • Josef Francisco

            Live as a homosexual for a day and you’ll understand how impossible it is to be anything else. Trust me love I come from actual experience coming from suppressing my sexuality in an attempt to be morally correct to liberated and openly queer.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Josef, I am not here to put you down at all. That isn’t the intent, and I hope I haven’t come across that way. All I m saying is that homosexuality is a sin. There are many sins. Every single one of us commits some sins or other in our lives.

            Romans 3:23 – “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”

            That means I am a sinner. I am also, though, forgiven, saved by the grace of God, through His shed blood. Sin is just breaking the law of God. It’s a crime, basically. For all those crimes, the penalty is death.

            Romans 6:23 – “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

            There, you can see that, even though there is a penalty, He loves us so much He died to pay it for us. All we have to do is accept that free gift. When we do that, he helps us to deal with sin in our lives. He helps us to get to the point that we can avoid sins more easily. Yes, Christians still sin. We still have bodies that are born into sin, and we can’t avoid it all. That’s why you read about this or that church leader that screwed up so badly. The point is, though, that we CAN overcome sin, and we CAN get past temptation.

            What you struggle with is temptation. You are tempted to sin in that fashion, and you can’t overcome that on your own. I do understand temptation. Mine was different, but mine was as a Christian that knew better, too. There was a time when I wasn’t living as I should, when I would allow myself to become involved with a guy in ways that are not allowed outside of marriage. I really do know temptation. As a Christian, I had to make a real effort to get past that. it took prayer, a lot of prayer, and also being accountable to someone else, to get to where I could get away from that behavior. The prodigal son story? I can identify with that one! So, I know somewhat where you are now. Different sin, but a sin nonetheless.

            The point is, though, that God can help us to overcome sin in our lives. He can help you, if you let Him, to overcome that sin in your life.

            1 Corinthians 10:13 – “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye
            are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”

            When we rely on Him, He makes us able to get away from temptations. Those will still come, but we can overcome them, escape them, bear up under them, and avoid the sin.

            I know how hard it can be, and that is why I try to help people see that they can get past such issues. Our flesh is weak, but God is strong. He loves you, too, and wants you to seek Him.

          • Glen

            Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound to rational people?

            There is no such thing as ‘sin’. And we don’t buy the fevered ramblings of ancient ignorant tribal desert barbarians who barely knew there asses from holes in the ground.

            It’s utterly foolish to waste the one life every living person knows that they have chasing after some unsubstantiated fantasy after life.

            And if you cannot be good without promise of reward or fear of punishment, then you are NOT a good person. Any ‘god’ would know that. And being good does not entail blind obedience to any authority’s commands.

            Grow up.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Do you have any idea how foolish it is to claim someone isn’t rational, simply because they don’t agree with you?

            You can choose to deny that God is real if you want, and you can claim that there is no such thing as sin. You have free will, and your decisions are yours alone. However, you are also the one responsible for those decisions. You, not some “we” that you claim doesn’t “buy” the reality of God. When the day comes, and it will come, that you stand before Him, you won’t be able to claim that you never heard the truth.

            No one is “chasing after” any fantasy here, except those that pretend there are no consequences for their actions. I have no need to “chase” anything. I know my Savior. He did all the work, and all I ever had to do was accept Him. Nothing more, nothing less. No “chase” required.

            The issue isn’t whether people can be good without fear or punishment, but whether people can be truly good at all. The simple fact is that not one single person can manage to be always good, and most are far from good at all. A look around the planet shows that fact clearly.

            If you can’t see that, then your eyes are closed.

            “Growing up” doesn’t mean assuming that we are all basically good, or that we have no consequences for our actions, or that there is no higher authority than ourselves.

            Posting about rational people is something you might want to avoid in the future.

          • Glen

            Substantiate your claims.

            You can’t. It’s all your imaginings and desires, nothing more.

            If your ‘god’ wants to demonstrate himself AFTER I’ve died, and then punish me by means of eternal torture for having used my rational mind to disbelieve in its existence (belief is not something a person has control over), then I will happily take that punishment and join forces against such unmitigated evil as could ever possibly exist, as such a ‘god’ would unquestionably be.

            The absurdity of your beliefs though goes BEYOND simply believing in this higher power. The characteristics you assign to it completely contradict not only themselves but everything there is to know about the universe and the reality we live in. Your ‘savior’ story is also utterly absurd.

            Atheists represent a far lower percentage of our nation’s prison population than they do as a percentage of our nation’s total population as a whole. People without any ‘god’ belief seem to be quite moral people, while those with such belief so often demonstrate themselves to be immoral people (like those anti-gay hate mongering bigots here who seek to harm the lives of, and impose themselves on gay people and their families. THAT is some of the heights of immorality) .

            People who need to be dictated to what is or isn’t good. Who think what is or isn’t good comes from some higher authority SO often tend to be those who commit the greatest of evils. Because rather than using their own minds to make rational conclusions about what is or isn’t good (based on how it affects those around them), they defer to some presumed authority to tell them what is or isn’t good.

            IF your god, your almighty creator of everyone and everything in the universe, told you it was good to rape, kill, and eat a baby, then you would have absolutely no other choice but to say that it IS, and that it is the right and moral thing to do. Tell me… if the god, the Jesus, you believe in, much to your utter shock and horror, told you that he wants you to do that, that it is a sin to disobey him in this command and the right thing to do is to obey him… what would you do? What would you believe about your ‘god’?

            Are morals, is what is right and what is wrong, superior to anything your god or any authority has to say about it? If so, then who needs to bow down to, worship, and obey any god?

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Substantiate yours. You can’t. Prove there is no God. You can’t.

            You can imagine and pretend that there are no eternal consequences to your actions and choices, but that won’t change a thing.

            Talking about bigots, when at the same time attacking the beliefs of a huge set of the population, makes you sound far less than honest. Your anti-Christian sentiments and rantings are very bigoted.

            Since all you have to say is hateful, go play elsewhere. All you do is support everything stated in the article, by your continued rants against me.

          • Glen

            Sorry Lady, I’m not the one making a positive claim. You are. Positive claims need to be proven, not the other way around. In fact you cannot even prove a negative claim.

            I can no more prove that god does not exist than you can prove that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist. Go ahead…. prove the flying spaghetti monster does not exist and that he will not boil you in his great pasta pot for eternity if you refuse to be touched by his noodly appendage (i.e. accept him as your savior and worship him). You can’t!

            Nor can you prove that there is not a pink elephant standing in your living room right now. The best you can say EVER is that you see absolutely no evidence that there is a pink elephant standing in your living room. But no matter how hard you try, you can never PROVE that it’s not there.

            As for the non-existence of god, I’m not making any positive claims at all. I’m not making the positive claim that “God does not exist”. I am saying there is absolutely NO evidence of any such being’s existence, zero, nada, zilch, none. And therefore, not only do I not have any reason to believe it exists, but on the basis of the null hypothesis, the default conclusion is that this entity does not exist. Note, a null hypothesis default conclusion, is not a definitive claim of absolute knowledge. It’s simply the default conclusion, used throughout science, and indeed in every moment of every person’s life, regarding the existence or non-existence of things, reality and non-reality.

            At any rate Lady, sorry again, but one’s beliefs are not immune from being challenged or even ridiculed and mocked. And doing so does not make one a bigot, if the person has a valid opinion. I’ll ridicule and mock you all day EVERY day for your ridiculous unsubstantiated ‘god’ beliefs if you will stand around to hear it. Bigotry that does not make. But should I attempt to deny you a job, deny you equal rights, like the right to marry whomever you love, or deny you service at a business I operate, simply for your beliefs or some other irrelevant characteristic, then THAT would be bigotry.

            As would be my making a broad negative claim about you based on your belief, for instance saying you are immoral and evil. Your belief would not make you those things, but your actions MIGHT. For instance, advocating for, working for, or trying to deny gay people and their families the safety, security, and benefits of civil State marriage recognition.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            You can believe whatever you want. I have better things to do than try and convince some anti-Christian bigot of the reality of God.

          • Glen

            I advise anyone who wants to maintain their religious beliefs and/or belief in god … stay as far away from the internet as possible.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            I could say the same about what you defend. Then, you’d whine and call me a bigot. Now, go play elsewhere.

          • Glen

            You COULD say it, though it wouldn’t be true. But then that’s par for the course for your kind.

            My positions are enhanced by eliminating ignorance. Yours however are undermined by the elimination of ignorance. The internet, despite its bubbles of ignorance and fetid sewage like this site, ultimately eliminates ignorance. As such your positions, the things you would LIKE to believe (such as your religion, your god belief or your beliefs about gay people), are weakened.

            For instance how many of the things about the Bible did you know before you picked yours up right now and headed on over to EvilBible(dot)com to verify that everything it mentions on that site are in fact in your Bible?

            You now know them! See how that works.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            I have been familiar with what the Bible says since LONG before there was such a thing as the internet. Nice fail there. Now, you have a bridge that’s unattended. Best get back to it. Your business here is finished. I have a policy against feeding these:

          • NotRedYet

            Bull sh!t

          • vorpal

            Wait, let me get this straight (pun not intended): are you seriously proposing that experiencing same-sex attraction and having a lack of opposite-sex attraction (also known as homosexuality) is a choice?

          • thx1138

            The world’s leading homosexual historians and anthropologists beg to differ with you.

          • sagecreek

            I’ve missed you on LJ :)

          • Karen Mitchell

            Because people like you exist…………

          • LadyGreenEyes

            No, it is a sin because God calls it a sin. Argue with Him with the day comes. Don’t expect that to work out well for you, though.

          • vorpal

            I’m really not interested in talking to your imaginary friends.

          • NotRedYet

            Can you be sure?

          • vorpal

            Quite sure, thanks. Are you interested in talking to Thor? Ra? Venus?

          • LadyGreenEyes

            God isn’t imaginary, and that is something you will see one day. Think whatever you want in the meantime.

        • NotRedYet

          Don’t try to confuse the issue.

          • Karen Mitchell

            And how am I confusing the issue?

          • NotRedYet

            Being black, you cannot change your color, being a pervert, you can change. You are trying to compare apples to oranges, and don’t give that born that way horse crap.

          • vorpal

            Sure, you can change if you’re a pervert. Being gay, though, is not inherently perverted.

            Right-wing Christians can change their vile and evil ways.

          • Chik

            What is a “right-wing Christian?” Do you mean one who follows Jesus Christ? He was NOT a political activist, nor was He a socialist. And what is a “pervert?” Apparently, sodomy is not a perversion by your count; certainly not vile and evil like those “right-wing Christians.”

          • Guest

            He also wasn’t a blonde haired, blue eyed guy. Your Jesus was a liberal.

          • Karen Mitchell

            He also wasn’t a blonde haired, blue eyed guy. Your Jesus was a liberal.
            Why are you so obsessed with the sex life of others anyway? Why do you think it’s your business?

          • Chik

            Why did you bring race into it? All we know is that He walked the earth as a Medditerranean Semite. Not just “race” but your description infers Aryan, and by extension, everybody will link that to Nazis, right? You’re as subtle as a train wreck. BTW, there’s nothing wrong with Aryans, Nordics, or whites in general. I don’t know what race you belong to and I care not, but if you are one of those self-effacing whites who blame whites for man’s inhumanity to man, it makes me want to throw up.

          • vorpal

            Where did Karen imply that there was anything wrong with Aryans, Nordics, or whites? I didn’t get that impression, and I certainly don’t feel that there’s anything wrong with white people. I can’t see that being linked to Nazis except through the term “Aryan” specifically, but I don’t think that’s what Karen’s intention was: it’s just that it’s not uncommon to see erroneous portrayals of Jesus as a white dude with blond hair and blue eyes, possibly depicted as such to be more relatable to white people in general. (Indeed, I’ve heard of Jesus similarly being depicted as black in some predominantly black Christian regions in order to be more relatable to the populace.)

            All that being said, given that he was from the Middle East, I’m pretty sure Jesus was not white, and he certainly didn’t have blond hair or blue eyes.

          • Chik

            I’m well aware of Christ being portrayed as such. But her statement implies that I support that idea. It paints me as a racist. I have not lied, used innuendos, or ad homs in any of my comments, yet it seems that my evil hateful nature is a foregone conclusion.
            I must add that I’m so weary of Jesus being portrayed as a “liberal.” I’m one of those “hateful” people who believe that liberalism is a mental disorder that is destroying America..

          • vorpal

            LOL I’m sure that you do feel that way. It’s one of the incomprehensible dichotomies of humanity, I imagine. I’m a liberal as I’m sure you know, and I find it extremely difficult to understand how anyone can declare himself a social conservative. I also find it very difficult not to sink into the mindset that conservatism is a mental disorder that is destroying both America and the world, but I try my best to realize that we come from completely different backgrounds and lifetimes of experiences, and thus it is not surprising that our views are radically opposed to one another.

            In any case, I think it’s important to recognize that the other side holds their opinions for a reason, and our inability to relate to them and our frustration with how unbelievably stupid they may sound to us is not really an indication of mental illness. I would sincerely like to believe that both groups have something positive to offer, but unfortunately, in the US, politics have become so partisan and hostile that it is difficult to even begin to establish common ground. Regardless, I’m here precisely to challenge my views and my difficulties in appreciating those of conservatives, and I find the exercise quite rewarding.

          • vorpal

            Absolutely not. I have yet to see anything Christ-like about right-wing Christians. When I say right-wing Christian, I mean someone who is politically on the right, and who self-identifies as Christian. Why is that difficult to understand?

            Sodomy (i.e. anal or ORAL copulation – and I’m willing to bet most of the people on here that are married are sodomites) does not generally hurt anyone, or if it does, it only hurts the participants. The vile hate that many far-right Christians spew has far greater social ramifications than two consenting adults engaging in oral and / or anal copulation.

          • Chik

            You seem to have a fixation for the word “vile.” Apparently, vile hate is the worst kind and that makes “right-wing Christians” like me the most hateful of all. Presumably, if I would begin to move left, towards the center, I will become less hateful, and the farther left I go, I will become a more loving, virtuous human being. The far-left is Utopia, of course.

          • vorpal

            LOL I’ll try to mix it up a bit and pull out my thesaurus. How about contemptible?

            There is no reason why you can’t be a right-wing Christian and not be hateful. I’ve met a few, but I’ve never met a far-right Christian who wasn’t hateful towards gay people, and when I say hateful, I don’t mean “disapproving of same-sex marriage”, even though I do consider that behaviour to be discriminatory and bigoted. When I say hateful, I use a similar criteria as the SPLC for designating hate groups, i.e. spreading misconceptions or lies in a deliberate attempt to demonize or shame a minority group. Hint: making numerous allegations comparing a minority group to Nazi Germany is undeniably hyperbolic and hateful.

            So no, I would never state that one needs to be left to not be hateful, or to be virtuous or loving. I do, however, think that people on the left are more likely to be more compassionate and sympathetic to people and minority groups in general, but it’s hardly a steadfast rule.

            Radical views on the far-left or far-right are both generally problematic in their extremism, and according to the horseshoe theory of the political spectrum, indeed have more in common with each other than they do with their respective more moderate left / right wing ideologies. I would assert that there are quite a few people on the far-right on this message board, and they’re no less hateful or disgusting than those unbearable idiots on the far-left, such as radical feminists and communists.

            I also think that the entire US is politically right-shifted for a first-world country, i.e. there is no true liberal party, as the Democrats are center (or even slightly right of center) by the standards of most first-world countries, the majority of Republicans are considerably right-of-center, and the Tea Party is generally far-right. As someone who is an American but has triple citizenship and spent the majority of his life growing up in Canada, it is frustrating to have very little actual liberal choice in politics.

          • Chik

            Slightly right of center? Joke? The “Democrat” Party went communist long ago. I’m surprised by some of your statements. While I agree that communists and radical feminists are unbearable and idiotic, how can you give any credibility to the SPLC? I thought you were smart. Where can one find a more corrupt institution on U.S. soil?…the UN?…the CPUSA? Well, I forgot to mention Cap Hill.

          • vorpal

            This is exactly the type of histrionic behaviour I’m talking about. If you’re deliberately engaging in hyperbole, it’s not very flattering, and you’re not doing your cause any favours. If you ACTUALLY believe that the Democrats are remotely communist, you sir, are either stupid, uneducated about communism, or completely nuts.

            Of course I give credit to the SPLC. The SPLC dedicate their time and energy to identifying groups that spread misconceptions and lies about minority groups (usually with the intent of shaming or demonizing them) which serves as the criteria to label them as hate groups. When groups like the Family Research Institute start releasing completely bogus “studies” based on completely ridiculous methodology to draw the “conclusion” that gay men are likely to have lifespans shortened by 20+ years, their actions are profoundly irresponsible and intended to demonize and discredit gay people for completely unfounded reasons. It is important to recognize this behaviour and make it known that these groups are liars who cannot be trusted based on past history and subsequently should be ignored.

          • Chik

            I’m genuinely sorry for you. Like most Americans, you’ll have to learn the hard way. Its clear to me that it is you who is ignorant of history. I’ve always been fascinated by what Hericletus said: The truth is sometimes so unbelievable it escapes being known.

          • vorpal

            We can both be genuinely sorry for each other, then.

          • Karen Mitchell

            But they won’t…………..

          • Karen Mitchell

            Your ignorance is showing.

          • Josef Francisco

            I am not a pervert. I am homosexual. The two words have NOTHING in common. And the born this way horse crap (which saying that in itself is ignorant) is very true because I know who I am and it is all real. Find some actual, living, proven science or experience to claim your points rather than your religion.

          • NotRedYet

            You are not living in reality if you deny that you can change. Many have changed but your militant leader

          • Josef Francisco

            Have you ever been gay to have experience in order to tell me if I can change or not? Many have also undergone therapy but it has failed them and they still are gay today.

          • NotRedYet

            You will not change because you do not want to.

          • Glen

            So you’re a queer but you’re not a pervert. Riiiigggghhhht.

            As far as I’m concerned anyone who calls themselves a queer is a pervert.

      • NotRedYet

        We are no longer a free country. Every day Der Leader has one of his pocketed judges strike down laws that further the slide of the U.S. down into the sewer,

        • antihatred

          Well, yu have a perverted view of ‘free’ which seems cannot extend to homosexuals. christian bigots confuse secular with theocracy. The US is a secular country not a theocracy as Saudi Arabia for example. So equality trumps which is high time that homosexuals are given the same rights as heterosexuals. Traditional marriage in the OT was that a man could have many wives (polygamy). Did not King David have hundreds of wives, concubine…look it up. Peace.

          • Shep Schultz

            Peace to you too. Were you drunk or were you high when you attempted to commit these thoughts to words?

          • NotRedYet

            Screw you, sodomy is a chosen behavior. It goes against nature and is a perverted and disgusting CHOSEN behavior. You try to equate this feel good BS action with racial equality and it is nothing but a lie. But of course, you have been brainwashed to think otherwise.

          • vorpal

            You’re just trying to find ways to justify your own anti-gay bigotry, all the while making yourself and your religion look like the hateful evil that it is.

          • NotRedYet

            No one mentioned religion, your behavior is simply disgusting and goes against nature.

          • vorpal

            No, it doesn’t “go against nature” by any definition of the word “nature”. You can find gay sex as disgusting as you like, but your disgust holds no relevance to any issues of morality or legality, and you should get over yourself. I find the idea of obese elderly heterosexuals having sex to be profoundly revolting, but I’m not so self-involved as to believe that this is somehow a justification to discriminate against them: I do the big boy thing and simply don’t obsess on their sex acts, instead choosing to celebrate the fact that they love and care for one another, which is a beautiful and enriching thing.

          • antihatred

            ‘screw you’, what motley language, do they not teach you at church how to be civilised? actually, I find ‘religious’ people to become quite hostile and vile when one contradicts their man made written book. The correlation between gays and blacks = discrimination which ought to have been obvious. I was brainwashed until I left chrisitanity and lo longer naively believe what witch doctors (pastor, minister, priest…whatever they call themselves) force upon me. I ought to realise that it is counterproductive to reason with a religious person who can only reference a book (bible) that was written by misogynistic men. Perhaps, with all that anger and hatred inside of you, coming out of the closet will relieve it. Peace notredyet.
            p.s. dolphins are among other creature who engage in homosexual activity–so, there goes the argument against nature.

          • NotRedYet

            Your attempt a literacy is comical, moron.

          • vorpal

            Agreed. Anyone who asserts that the pinnacle of human knowledge and morality was achieved 2000 years ago and anything that contradicts it is erroneous is, in my opinion, delusional, willfully ignorant, or borderline mentally retarded.

          • Karen Mitchell

            As the sex life of others is your business, yours is mine.
            Have you ever had your girl/boyfriend perform oral sex on you? Yes? Sodomite! Have you ever performed oral sex on them? Yes? Sodomite!
            No to both? Lousy lover…………

          • NotRedYet

            I wouldn’t care about your sex life but you sodomites keep throwing it in every ones face and teaching it to kindergarten children.

          • vorpal

            I assume that you are talking about gay people, because sodomy includes oral copulation. When exactly have gay people thrown their sex life in everyone’s face and, in particular, taught it to kindergarteners? If you MEAN teaching kids that families headed by same-sex parents exist, then I’m going to have to rightfully conclude that you’re a histrionic fear monger.

          • NotRedYet

            Watch a pride parade.

          • vorpal

            I have been to at least 10 pride parades. While I will admit that there is some fairly (occasionally overtly) sexualized behaviour on display by a minority of the participants:
            1. I fail to see how this is unique to gay people, as it is in no way more overt than what you’d see at a spring break bash or Mardi Gras; and
            2. I fail to see how it is thrown in your face, given that attendance is not mandatory and the time and location of pride parades is widely publicized in advance, allowing you to avoid the location for the four or so hours once a year that the event takes place.

            Also, you ignored my question about kindergarteners. I’m very curious to hear where homosexual sex is being taught to five year olds, because if that is the case, I’d like to join my voice in protest to those taking a stand against it: I don’t support teaching the lurid details of sex of any stripe to young children.

          • NotRedYet

            Do a little research on what they are teaching nowadays, especially Planned Parenthood. Just last week in Germany, parents protesting teaching their children gay sex, were pelted with feces by gays protesting them.

          • vorpal

            You’re the one making the claim. Can’t you provide a link?

          • thx1138

            Discus will ban the post with a link. look it up yourself.

            Tufts Fistgate.

            Or for an example of an even more intolerant groups of LGBTers look up straight couples assaulted as “breeders” in provincetown

          • thx1138

            Arlington MA. Heather has 2 Mommies controversy. Father told he can’t opt his child out and that they are not required to inform anyone.

            Tuft’s “Fistgate”
            Students as young as 12 given graphic instruction in bizarre homosexual sex acts by state employees

            Its all over MA

          • thx1138

            The entire ST Patrick’s day parade issue in Boston was ALL about not being able to throw it in everyone’s face.

            MA Equality was told they could march under the same rules as everyone else banners identifying who they were and military organization were allowed. No banners declaring beliefs, politics or persuasions are allowed.

            That wasn’t good enough for them.

            They originally got acceptance by claiming they were a group of LGBT veterans. It was later found that only one of the entire group of 20 was actually a veteran.

            With their refusal to follow the same rules as everyone else, and the revelation that they lied to even get a slot, the invitation was recinded.

            Homosexual veterans who had marched with groups like the VFW for years supported this decision as the parade wasn’t about being “gay” but about being part of something other than who you choose to sleep with.

          • antihatred

            lol, thanks Karen for the laugh. notredyet, speaks about literacy (amongst other things that he has not mastered, e.g. logic. Karen, it is, actually, counterproductive to participate in a dialogue with hatemongers who can only use the bible as a reference and making unfounded nonsense in “teaching it to kindergarten children”. Good luck

          • Chik

            “Christian bigots” is an oxymoron. A bigot cannot BE a Christian. I doubt you’ve ever met an actual Christian. Jesus said “Few there be…” And while I don’t approve of the “gay lifestyle,” I do believe in freedom. I would ask them to extend to me the freedom to disagree with them, even to believe the book of Romans. I would argue that the vast majority of gays reject the Bible. Fair is fair.

          • antihatred

            Alas, I have met very few but many christian bigots. Even though I do not believe in the cult of christianity, I respect those believers who are good people by doing good works and trying to be ‘christlike’ by actions not words unlike thoses who spew out venom in jesus name who judge, telling others that they are going to hell a la westboro. I do hope that you are a good person Chik. Peace

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Now, now, Chik, tolerance is NOT a two-way street for most of the gays we meet here. It is only ‘their way or the highway’.
            There are NO differences of opinion allowed.
            Of course gays reject the Bible. How can they accept it and what is taught? They would have curtail a lot of their activities.

            We cannot claim to be religious because we cannot prove that our ‘God’ exists.
            We cannot claim that heterosexuality is the norm because what is termed ‘homosexuality’ has been seen in nature. (What occurs in nature is instinctual, NOT homosexual!)
            We cannot claim that sodomy is an abomination because there are those heteros who also perform those acts. (And if we don’t perform those acts, we are lousy lovers, apparently. Who knew that human sexuality was about pleasure and nothing more? Oh, that’s right. The gays know that because that is ALL their sexual activity is good for, pleasure!)

          • Chik

            “(What occurs in nature is instinctual, NOT homosexual!)” A really good point, GeorgeHarris.

          • vorpal

            I certainly haven’t met any actual Christians here on BarbWire.

          • Karen Mitchell

            Christians don’t actually read the whole bible, silly.

          • thx1138

            The laws governing marriage are equally applied to both straight and homosexual alike.

            There is no discrimination.

            When states implemented civil unions that had the same legal force as marriage, that wasn’t good enough (VT as an example).

            It is all about acceptance as normal, that which isn’t. Its all about special privileges not equal rights

            I pity those that are so needy of acceptance that they equate anyone who refuses to give them special privileges with discrimination.

            A black person cannot easily hide the fact that he is black. A homosexual merely needs to act like a human being and no-one will know OR care that he is a homosexual.

        • vorpal

          Drama and lies, much?

      • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

        Apparently you are not happy about the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

        Too late.

      • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

        So you’re OK with people boycotting bakeries that won’t bake cakes for gay weddings?

        • thx1138

          Yup, free market freedom of association clause and the 1st amendment.. If the consumers in that area don’t want to buy the product because they don’t agree with the proprietors beliefs then they can take their money somewhere else. People do this all the time. Coke vs. Pepsi.

          I’m not OK with forcing that bakery to bake that cake or fining them if they don’t. Violates the freedom of association clause and the 1st amendment.

    • M Jackson

      You’re correct, there was no gay boycott of Mozilla. All I heard about were protests from one dating site, and from some Mozilla employees.
      The christian political groups started threatening a boycott of
      Mozilla though, if the man was forced out of the company. That boycott
      would have accompanied a long list of companies currently on their
      boycott lists — A&E, Coke, Starbucks, General Mills, TMobile, World
      Vision Ministries, ad nauseam.

      The anti-gay National Org. for Marriage even maintains something
      called the Corporate Fairness Program to catalogue all of the ‘gay
      friendly’ companies that have displeased them and need to be boycotted.
      The One Million(sic) Moms group regularly exhort their handful of followers
      to boycott tv shows that are already in danger of being cancelled so
      that they can then claim the credit when those shows go off the air.

      And now, right on time, the very people who posted here after the Super
      Bowl calling for the death of Coca-Cola are back today to whine and wail
      about their imagined persecution.
      But then, the hypocrisy of those screaming “Gaystapo” has never been much of a surprise.

      • Rockon

        Do they use the force of government to force business owners and employees to affirm, endorse, promote, and celebrate Christianity?

        • M Jackson

          No, what’s your point?
          Maybe you can cut and paste from another of your comments again.

        • LadyGreenEyes

          Excellent point, but the homofascists posting here won’t admit to that, or to any problems.

    • NotRedYet

      Hey dumba$$, the company did not donate, a private person did. It was no one else’s business, however some slime told about his donation. What happened to privacy?

    • duggarbaby

      Sorry to burst your bubble but the last time pro-gay marriage laws failed to pass, gay people broke church windows, defecated on their steps, attacked an elderly woman, had sex on the lawns of pastors, vandalized churchgoers houses etc.To say there is no violence or threat against people who don’t agree with gay marriage is completely bullshit.

      You keep saying Gay Rights Advocacy groups had nothing to do with this but you have not asked the question of /how/ did the board members know?

      I will tell you how:

      Gay rights groups found out he donated by illegally obtaining IRS records on his personal donations and released it to the press. That’s how ANYONE found out to begin with. This was a clear invasion of privacy. I am personally not against gay marriage, but this whole situation was a retarded witch hunt, using illegal information.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        If we are talking about Eich, you are incorrect. California has a law in place that requires a record of donations over $100 for political campaigns be kept.

        As these records are public, the Los Angeles Times requested the donation records regarding Prop 8 and, upon receiving them, published them in their entirety.

      • Glen

        Shouldn’t you be out chasing big foot right now?

        And Matthew is correct. It’s public knowledge. Every donation to Prop 8 (for or against) is available online, including my donation for the opposition, which I am MORE than happy to be visible to anyone who wants to know.

        • LadyGreenEyes

          Shouldn’t you be in a parade someplace?

          The point is the man had every RIGHT to donate to whom he wanted, and when he wanted, and forcing him out of his job for that is FASCISM.

          The hypocrisy of your side knows no bounds. Complain and complain that a photographer of baker doesn’t want to participate in a farce of a marriage, but force someone out of their job?

          • vorpal

            No one “forced” him out of his job. Exercising a boycott and calling for him to step down is not forcing him to do anything and is well within out political rights.

            The hypoChristians strike again after their ridiculous World Vision reaction. You guys keep making yourself look worse and worse. Congratulations on that.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            BULL. He was forced out. The company bowed to the political pressure, because they didn’t want to be treated as some other places have been, if they refused.

          • vorpal

            Unless you can back that up with evidence, it is merely unfounded speculation on your part.

            Indeed, I would assert that he had a responsibility to step down, and he did the correct thing in doing so: a CEO’s primary responsibility is to work for the profit and advancement of the organization, and it was clear that it was not in Mozilla’s best interests to have him continue as the CEO, as it would have had a negative impact. Thus, stepping down was the appropriate thing to do for Mozilla.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Can you read? Scroll up and re-read the article.

            No, he did NOT need to step down. Being a CEO doesn’t mean he loses his right to free speech, or to political involvement, or to his own opinions. What they did by forcing him out is having negative effects on the company.

      • NotRedYet

        Lois Lerner provided the info.

    • RJLigier

      Junk science, do you mean the consensus of the borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals within the APAs unsupported by replicable, empirical data to justify their social activism? We now have Oncale vs Sundowner Offshore Oil Services to address the workplace hostility of homosexuals and bisexuals toward heterosexuals. Spare us the histrionic and passive-aggressive behavior, Hector…………..

      • vorpal

        Given that all major medical, psychological, psychiatric, therapeutic, sociological, and social work groups agree with the APA about most matters related to homosexuality, would you propose that they’re all headed by supposedly “borderline psychotic homosexuals?” And what exactly supports your claim that these are “borderline psychotic homosexuals?” That would certainly make for some high functioning “borderline psychotic homosexuals.”

        It sounds more likely to me that someone here (i.e. you) is suffering from histrionic paranoia.

        • thx1138

          But yet all the world’s leading homosexual historians and anthropologists don’t agree with them at all.

    • polymath156

      When did the Mozilla CEO use junk science or try and “discriminate” against gays? By voting with the majority of Californians in 2008? And I think your friends at GLAAD have chimed in, chortling about their victory for the cause.
      Good job. by the way, it is not just about the organizations behind this travesty, by the mind-set and climate they create.

      • Glen

        7 million people out of a voting eligible adult population of 22 million in California is hardly a majority of Californians. That’s only 32%. It was however 52% of those who voted. 48% voted against Prop 8 (6.4 million). The charlatans never like to tell you this, because let’s face it. 90% of the country probably thinks 7 million is the vast majority of California’s population.

        Eich contributed to the Prop 8 campaign which disseminated lies and fear mongering to the voting public. Including suggesting that children would CHOOSE to become gay after learning in school that same-gender couples could marry.

        It’s conceivable that without such a smear and fear campaign, Prop 8 (an illegal law) would not have passed. Polls leading up to the vote showed Prop 8 too close to call but likely going down to defeat. It was in the last 6 weeks of the campaign that nearly 700,000 voters, exit polls indicate, changed their mind from being against Prop 8 to being for it. Prop 8 passed by 600,000 votes.

        At any rate, when Prop 8 was once and for all struck down as being unconstitutional, a ruling upheld by default by the U.S. Supreme Court, polls had showed an solid majority of Californian’s in favor of same-gender marriage equality. Had Prop 8 gone back to the voters, it would almost certainly have been shot down. Fortunately the courts weighed in and said these Constitutional civil rights are not subject to popular vote.

        • GeorgeHarris7

          Gee, Glen, 7 million people out of a pool of 22 million people is NOT a legitimate poll, but a poll of 1000 people is totally legitimate? Amazing!!!

          • Glen

            Your claim was that the majority had voted for Prop 8. That’s not the case. Though it is the case that those on the left end of the spectrum are less likely to vote than those on the right.

            We are in fact a center-left nation. The only reason Republicans and right-wingers have as much representation in our legislatures is that their voters tend to be older and/or more wealthy and therefore more likely to turn up to vote, than younger “busier” (be it working multiple jobs or just having ‘better’ things to do) people who often can’t seem to make it to the polls. This is even more so a problem during mid-terms and off year elections.

            Often times elections are not as representative of public opinion as are scientific polls. Which is why for trying to determine election results, polling agencies try to determine “likely’ voters. You’ll notice wide variance in poll results for eligible voters, registered voters, and likely voters. An issue might lose among eligible and registered voters, but win based on likely voters.

            Yes, what would happen in a 2nd vote is meaningless, because as the third co-equal branch of our government has stated, it is a violation of Constitutionally stipulated civil rights (the right to equal treatment of the written laws) for any majority of citizens to vote to strip those rights from any minority of citizens without a valid rational justification.

            Post Windsor 15 of 15 federal judges have issued pro marriage-equality rulings. (And a good majority of them prior to Windsor). Many of these judges considered conservative, appointed by Republicans, and approved by conservative legislators. Are you telling me that they are ALL “activist” judges?

          • GeorgeHarris7

            IF I used the word ‘majority’, (I can’t find where I did. Maybe you are confusing my post with someone else.) I obviously meant the majority of those who voted, which is why and how Prop. 8 was passed. I certainly did NOT mean the majority of Californians or the majority of eligible voters.

          • thx1138

            Lets see, it was placed on a ballot question TWICE. It lost TWICE by a huge majority but your little twist at semantics allows you to believe that the majority didn’t vote for it.

            If only 7 million voted then whatever was greater than 50% was the MAJORITY. On such a major issue, you would think the LGBTers would get out the vote especially in CA.

            Ever think that the amount they lost by was the best they could do?

            There are only 3 states where same sex marriage is legal as a result of a popular vote. The rest were either court or legislature.

            There are 33 states where it is banned. 29 by popular vote. 4 by vote of the state legislature.

            The thought that there is overwhelming support for same sex marriage does not reconcile when the actual rubber meets the road. When given the choice, voters overwhelmingly vote against it.

          • Glen

            First off you have a strange definition of what constitutes a “huge majority”. It’s the same definition most rational people use for the term “slim majority”.

            Second, it would not matter if 99.99% of all Californians, men women and children in faux school votes, had voted to deny marriage equality to same-gender couples, and there was only one such couple. It would STILL be an illegal violation of the United States Constitution’s guarantee to every single individual citizen to equal treatment of the written laws regardless of their individual characteristics (like gender), unless there is a valid rational secular justification for discrimination.

            Individual rights are not subject to popular opinion or vote.

            Third, the support for same-gender marriage equality has grown dramatically over the last several years around the nation and in California. Prop 22 passed in California by a vote of 61% in favor in 2000. Prop 8 passed by a vote of 52% in favor in 2008. The most recent polling I can find for California showed 59% of Californians’ approved of same-gender marriage in 2012. That number has almost certainly gone up and if the trending continued is likely around 61% now.

            Those States which have placed unconstitutional bans on same-gender marriage were on average a decade or more ago. The three which have enacted it and a 4th which rejected an amendment to the Constitution to ban its legislative enactment, all happened only 2 years ago. Do you think that tells you anything about the validity of the polling on this issue over the last decade?

            Bury your head in the sand, it’s what you people do best, but the fact remains Americans are now majority in support of same-gender marriage equality, they have been for at least 2 years running now (perhaps even 4 years), and are only becoming MORE supportive over time.

            And by-the-way George Lucas, writer and director of THX1138 fully supports same-gender marriage equality and LGBT rights.

      • vorpal

        He didn’t only vote, but he donated money to the Prop 8 campaign, which constitutes actively seeking to limit the civil rights of same-sex couples. That’s about as discriminatory as you can get against gay people, so LGBT people and their supporters exercise their political freedoms against Mozilla.

        Now the far-right hypoChristians are braying like a pack of mules about this being intolerance while they screeched like little melodramatic banshees about World Vision’s decision to allow same-sex married employees, and even when WV gave in, instead of forgiving them, they continued to lust like the bloodthirsty little bigots that they are for the board of directors to step down.

        You guys just keep making yourself look like trash and help out the LGBT cause more and more with every action you take and every word you speak. We don’t even have to try anymore. You’re doing all the work for us by making yourselves look like the inhuman hate-filled monsters that you are.

  • Lamont Cranston

    It’s about time the whiny bigot goons were the ones who have to live in fear. I hope you never spend a single day without it.

    • thisoldspouse

      No fear here. We have the guns.

      • icapricorn

        We have something bigger than guns. We have the Law.

        • thisoldspouse

          Unjust laws will fall by the gun. Ask 18th Century England.

          Ready to water my Tree of Liberty?

          • icapricorn

            What you call liberty is anarchy.

          • thisoldspouse

            Irony has never been thicker.

          • icapricorn

            Non sequiturs are the warning sign that your argument is gibberish.

          • thisoldspouse

            Gibberish is in the eyes of the beholder in this instance.

            Regardless, you’ve been warned.

          • icapricorn

            And you’ve been dismissed.

          • Karmas_hitman

            yea an I will piss on your grave while I am at it

          • thisoldspouse

            Sodomites like you die a lot quicker, so I’ll be doing the eliminating on yours.

          • John

            You are a joke…LOL!!! Can you not defend yourself without a gun? I have a gun too….whoopdy doo.

      • Karmas_hitman

        So do we., and I have more money than you so I can buy more ammo.

      • Lamont Cranston

        Guess again, pervert.

  • DaveBroadus

    I seem to remember the religious right calling for Ellen Degeneres to be fired as a spokesperson for JC Penny, not because of anything she said or did, just because she happens to be a gay person! Your nonsense is never-ending, Barber.

    • Rockon

      They called for boycotts, not firing. And boycotts are different than using the force of government to pass laws that falsely equate sexual behavior and feelings with skin color

      • DaveBroadus

        You are aware, right, that sexual orientation is an innate human characteristic? It isn’t about ‘sexual behavior’, unless you think that people should be having sex with a gender they aren’t attracted to. It’s about who one is capable of falling in love with. No one chooses which gender they are attracted to, so in that sense it is as unchangeable as skin color. As all intelligent people know.

        • Rockon

          I can look at a person and see what there skin color is. What MRI, electro-magnetic device, or Cat-scan shows so-called “sexual orientation?” Or do you just have to have faith like Christians have with what you folks call the “skydaddy.” You realize that you “sexual orientation” is the “skydaddy” that homosexual activists dogmatic worship, right? Or do you believe it because the homosexual activist caucus within the APA board of directors (the AGLP) simply say it exists?

          • DaveBroadus

            Um…It’s because every single person on the planet, gay or straight, will tell you that, for them, their sexual orientation developed as they reached puberty, they never made a choice in the matter, and there’s no way in heaven or Earth that they can somehow ‘make themselves’ be attracted to a gender they aren’t. It’s called reality. And it isn’t just the APA, it’s every single legitimate medical, scientific and social science organization in the world, as well as the millions of practitioners who belong to them who think so.

          • Shep Schultz

            Well, no, not exactly. What about the tribes in North Africa where the young men pair off into homosexual couples until they have enough goats and cattle for a dowry?

      • DaveBroadus

        And, yes. One Million Moms, the National Organization for Marriage and other anti-gay freak groups called for Ellen Degeneres to be fired. Not boycotted. Fired. They have also called for the resignation and / or ousting of countless politicians who have supported gay rights. But that’s ok. Keep making stuff up.

        • Rockon

          One million moms and NOM have banned me from commenting on their articles and facebook threads, because I wasn’t PC enough for them. I don’t agree with calling for firing, but I do agree that freedom of speech should be free and letting the free market decide who and who we won’t do business with. Your side, the homosexual political ACTIVISTS, as the rule not the exception, would rather use the force of law. This is becoming more and more obvious to more people and why the term “homofascist” is being used by more people.

          • DaveBroadus

            Most people, gay and straight, don’t wish to live in a world where people are legally able to put up signs in their businesses that say “we don’t serve your kind”. The ‘Religious Freedom’ bill that just passed in Mississippi allows people to do this. What does this remind you of? But, no. Gay people are the fascists. ha ha ha ha ha

          • DaveBroadus

            For the record, I would never call for the guy to be fired because he donated to an anti-gay cause. It’s none of my business and has nothing to do with his job. I do reserve the right to tell him he’s an idiot, though.

          • icapricorn

            Agree. I also reserve the right not to buy any product he’s selling. Companies fire people all the time when they prove to be liabilities. Mozilla made that decision. Eich reflected badly on the brand and repelled the young savvy internet users Mozilla needs to grow. No one put a gun to their head. They just looked, as companies always do, at the bottom line.

          • portertx

            He was not fired he stepped down – and I am certain he is walking away with a boat load of cash….

          • DaveBroadus

            Yup. Exactly. Some people seem to cry ‘infringement on religious freedom’ when they are simply being criticised.

          • Rockon

            Race and skin color is morally neutral; it doesn’t determine behavior and is therefore truly immutable. A romantic or sexual behavior is not, and deserves to be discriminated against. Different behaviors have different results/outcomes. People are generally smart enough to figure this stuff out. We don’t live in a world where many businesses owners turn people away, and because of free market system, if one does, another will not. And again, who said “gay people?” Continuously blurring the lines between private citizens and homosexual political ACTIVISTS is disingenuous.

          • DaveBroadus

            If by ‘truly immutable’ you mean ‘unchangeable’, then sexual orientation is as immutable as skin colour. Obviously.

          • Rockon

            I know many people who have overcome homosexuality; some in just practice and others have overcome both the practice and desire (Greg Quinlan, Stephen Black, DL Foster, Stephen Bennett…to name a few). But hey I know you just think they’re lying to themselves. Like slave owners of the days of slavery, homosexual ACTIVISTS don’t want anybody who has ever had same sex attraction to leave the plantation they euphemistically call “gay.”

          • DaveBroadus

            It always strikes me as so funny that in 50 years as a gay person I have never once met a single person who has ‘overcome homosexuality’, but their are anti-gay folks who know lots and lots of them! How could they possibly? Yes, there are a handful of people who make money on the lecture circuit by claiming to be ‘ex-gay’. But only a handful. And for every one of them there is someone who used to make a living this way, until they were caught out in a hotel room with a teenaged rent boy. Come on, now. A handful of people have convinced you that millions upon millions of gay people in the world can change if they want to? That makes no sense.

          • DaveBroadus

            Do you think YOU could change your orientation if you wanted to, Rockon? If the answer is ‘no’, then why not? Why would you assume other people have this power if you yourself don’t? Does that make sense to you?

          • Rockon

            By your logic that they only say that for the money, we can say that homosexual activists only say their homosexual for the money. And how much money do they make compared to Dan Savage and Wayne Besen or the CEO of HRC who makes millions?

          • vorpal

            I consider myself a “homosexual activist”, and I don’t receive a cent. Most gay people are probably activists on some level, and almost none of us are paid for it. Also, I think, unlike the huge number of so-called “ex-gays” who are caught in gay sex scandals, you’ll find that none or almost none of us will be caught in a heterosexual sex scandal.

          • DaveBroadus

            And being gay doesn’t determine behavior, other than what one does in their bedroom, whith someone of a gender to which they are attracted,which is none of your business. Unless you wish to be offended about two men or two women living together, going grocery shopping, cleaning the house, and going to work.

          • Rockon

            So what are the results when same sex attraction is acted out, and what are the results when black skin color is acted out?

  • junkmailbin

    the homofascism want special treatment so they will feel alright with their perversion. No amount of special perks will ever make gay OK.
    Put the armed forces in pink and the gays will still stand out.

    • Karmas_hitman

      your Icon name suite you, you speak junk

  • Martin Rizley

    Thank you, Matt, for speaking the truth forthrightly. America is under no obligation legally or morally to grant special rights or special protections to sexual minorities (for example, by rewriting marriage laws to accommodate the sexual preferences of those minorities– whether we are talking about polygamists, polyamorists, incestuous partners, pedophiles, homosexuals, or bisexuals. It is a flagrant dismissal of common sense and reason to say that our Constitution imposes such an obligation on the people. Marriage is an institution grounded in natural law, which the Declaration of Independence recognizes as the only just basis of civil law. Therefore, marriage laws that reflect natural law by defining statutory marriage as the union of a man and a woman only are clearly Constitutional. Sexual minorities have no legal or moral ground, therefore, for claiming unjust discrimination when they are not allowed to contract a legal marriage. That sort of ‘discrimination’ (if you want to call it that) is perfectly justified and even necessary to maintain a respect for the natural law basis of civil law. “Discriminating” wine connoisseurs know the difference between a fine wine and a cheap imitation; and discriminating citizens know the difference between true marriages which governments ought recognize and counterfeit marriages designed to accommodate a wide range of sexually deviant lifestyles, which no government is under any obligation to recognize.

    • thisoldspouse

      There is no such thing as a “sexual minority,” that is just another fake, unscientific designation for yet another “victim class.” Stop using it.

      • Martin Rizley

        By sexual minority, I mean a group of people in a country whose sexual lifestyle deviates from that of the majority. If there can be racial minorities in a country, or political minorities, or religious minorities (neo-Nazis would be an example of a political minority and Buddhists an example of a religious minority) then there can certainly be sexual minorities, as well. The “majority” sexual lifestyle in America is heterosexual. Polygamists make up a minority group. Homosexuals another minority group. Pedophiles another. The fact that a group constitutes a minority does not automatically entitle them to privileges, however. I think we need to get accustomed to asserting forthrightly, “Minority groups– of which there are many in America– are not automatically entitled to ANY special privileges, rights, or anti-discrimination protections, unless these can be shown to have a foundation in natural law.” Let us embrace the term ‘minority,’ while at the same time emphasizing that belonging to a minority does not automatically entitle you to anything.

        • Karmas_hitman

          Nor does being a majority make you correct or right. It just means that you have a lot of people who think like you.

    • DaveBroadus

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    • Karmas_hitman

      Poor Martin, you should not text and drink, it will lead people to think your a mad drunk……. opps to late……

    • lenscraft

      Since when is marriage a ‘special right’? Since when is freedom of religion a ‘special right’?

      • Karmas_hitman

        He is drunk lencraft your wasting your time. cheap wine I think

      • Martin Rizley

        Marriage is not a ‘special right.’ However, to argue that society must rewrite its marriage laws by redefining marriage to accommodate the sexual appetites of one sexual minority group, but not others, is to argue in favor of ‘special rights.’ Why should society be obliged to rewrite marriage laws to accommodate the sexual appetite of homosexuals, but not that of bisexuals, who may wish to be legally married to two partners at the same time? A ‘special right’ is an alleged right that belongs to one special interest group over others and is not universally valid for all; neither does it have any grounding in natural law. Natural law only provides grounds for marriage laws based on the objective facts of nature, in which a true sexual union is only possible between a male and female– since their reproductive organs alone are self-evidently designed to ‘fit together.’ Marriage laws should be based on what is written into nature itself, instead of forcing society to recognize as a marriage something that is ‘unnatural.’ Statutory marriage laws should continue to be grounded in that which justifies the institution of marriage in the first place as a civil institution– natural design. By natural design, I mean human life as God designed it to function. That’s what should be the basis of our laws, said the founding fathers. That’s why they felt justified in resisting Great Britain– because “the laws of nature and nature’s God” were being violated. The king of England, by ignoring universal principles of justice and equity written into the order of nature, was refusing to function as God designed rulers to function. He therefore was forfeiting the right to expect submission from the people, who by God’s design are obliged to submit to rulers who rule within the limits of God-ordained natural law, and to resist those who do not. Their view was that “resistance to tyrants is obedience to God,” and they defined a tyrant as any ruler which refuses to govern within the limits of natural law.

  • EyeJelly

    Try telling your persecution woes to the four year old toddler who was murdered by his mother because she thought he acted too gay.

    • thisoldspouse

      I’m almost ready to bank on this being another hoax story (not the murder, but the “gay” angle) just as Matthew Sheppards murder was. The homofascists have become so predictable.

      • John

        HAHAHAHA!

        • thisoldspouse

          Will you still be laughing when the truth comes out. No, you’ll drop the story like a hot rock, as will the press.

          • John

            The truth is already out, and yes I am laughing at you and your inane comments. The christian wrong have become very predictable in their lie spewing.

          • portertx

            its isn’t the first time something this has happened….a man in Texas murdered his daughter for being a lesbian….

            Peter Lucas Moses, North Carolina Man, Pleads Guilty In Deaths Of Woman And Boy He Thought Was Gay.

            New York Man Kills Boy Toddler “For Acting Like A Girl”

            Florida Man kills three year old son in attempt to keep him from being ‘gay’

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            • 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).

            • Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

            • 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

            • The Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).

            • 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).

            • It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Please. Not again, sweety. This propaganda is old and tiresome.

            Do we again have to get in a discussion about the $147 billion dollars Americans spend treating 34.7% of the population that suffers from obesity? (Matt are you listening?)

            The total cost of AIDS care is an insignificant fraction of that. A rounding error.

            But hey, apparently, you don’t know any better.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            Read God’s Word.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Live in reality.

          • Glen

            You mean this —-> EvilBible (dot) com

            Go ahead. Grab yours and read along.

            P.S. Your posts make you out to either be a very good duplicate of Matt Barber, or you ARE him.

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Thanks for letting me know about Matt Barber. You just created a new fan!!!!!!!!

          • Glen

            Well you’d clearly be in good company with him.

            Congratulations.

          • portertx

            Which version is the approved version.

          • Glen

            You have some serious problems if you believe what has been long ago identified as garbage propaganda and lies.

            Given your obsessions, you really ought to seek professional mental help.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Thank you, Glen. I often wondered if it was garbage propaganda when ‘polls’ are cited showing majority support for gay ‘marriage’ Apparently, gays only accept polls that show positive results, just as I suspected.

          • Glen

            You haven’t the foggiest idea how polling and science works.

            Let alone how scientific polling works.

          • Natalie

            Do your own home work. Even the CDC has a laundry list of issues about the homosexuals and their illnesses. And you wonder why Christians and others preach against that way of life?

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I appreciate the response, Natalie. Obviously, you misunderstood my point. I was using Glen’s own words against him, not in agreement with him.

          • Natalie

            Sorry. : [

          • Mike H

            Natalie seems to me you should worry about your own sins first!

          • Natalie

            I do, which is why I can judge righteously.

          • Karma_HitMan

            Oh how funny, is there not a verse in your book that says you should shut up unless your husband tells you to speak.

          • Mike H

            First off Natalie, there are more heterosexual identified people with AIDS/HIV infection in the world population then homosexuals! Quit posting misinformation. Go to the World Health Organization’s website to become educated!

          • Natalie

            No, it’s the lgbt community. Cdc confirms it, and even some homosexuality publications.

            Denial won’t change that.

          • Mike H

            Natalie look at the statistics from Sub-Sahara Africa, were you came from! Then get back to me but quit spreading misinformation!

          • EyeJelly

            I don’t think lesbians get AIDS from girl/girl sex. If whoever has the least amount of AIDS wins, maybe it’s lesbians who are God’s chosen people.

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Glen, if you think a sex/procreation tool getting inserted in the human sewer system is normal, then it is YOU who needs his head examined.

          • Mike H

            What about Christian married couples who practice anal sex? That is OK right?

          • Natalie

            You’re in denial.

            The homoactivists want us to support the life style of the sexually perverted, yet they do not want to tell their friends that homosexuals are dying of AIDS and many other STDS. I’d give to AIDS charities for the homosexuals, if only they would tell the truth about homosexuality!!

          • vorpal

            First off, the majority of LGBT people do not contract HIV in their life. The rates of HIV infection are much higher in gay men than in the general population, true, but still, it is a minority of gay men.

            Secondly, HIV is now recognized as being treatable as a chronic disease instead of a death sentence. The current medications available control the disease quite well, and if a medication regime is followed properly, the effects of HIV on lifespan are minimal.

            Who exactly is lying about HIV / AIDS? I’ve never heard anyone deny that HIV infection rates are higher in gay men.

          • Mike H

            Natalie so you are an expert on homosexuality now? Just wondering how many gay friends you have ever known! Probably none!

          • Natalie

            I was delivered of that sin. I’m not an expert…just a testimony

          • tomads

            for that rebuttal Do you have a source?

          • portertx

            Nice to see you know how the cut & paste function works….

            25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11)

            So does that mean the remainder are heterosexual are alcoholics? which would be 75%-67%?

            50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10) that means 50% are then attributed to heterosexuals.

            Your number (10) – “Kaifetz, J. ‘Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some,’ Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.” A quick Web search turned up the fact that there is an anti-gay activist in Indiana named Jerry Kaifetz who frequently writes angry letters to newspapers. But he’s neither a reporter nor a scientist, and if he is indeed the source of those stats, clearly it’s time to find some more credible sources.

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Awe. You both look so….pretty together.

          • portertx

            Why thank you …13 years and going strong. Peace.

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            I am serious when I say: If you two are happy, then more power to you. It’s your business and no others. But I will be damned if you are going to force me to accept that your lifestyle is normal. The fascists among you aren’t seeking tolerance…they are seeking acceptance. There is a difference between the two. I can tolerate you, but it doesn’t mean I need to accept you. Understand?

          • portertx

            I totally agree…believe what ever you want. Teach your kids to believe as you do that is your right. I do not require or need your acceptance. What I do require is equal treatment under the law. I am willing tolerate your beliefs as much as you are willing to tolerate mine.

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            But that is the whole point of the article! There is NO tolerance from you guys! The CEO was fired because he gave $1000 in support of traditional marriage! Do you not see the hypocrisy?

            I gotta go. Have a good night and God Bless.

          • portertx

            He stepped down….he was not fired. I see the hypocrisy all the time where people have been fired for getting married or supporting gay marriage or even being boycotted for supporting equality……you know starbucks disney homedepot jc penny…..etc…..

          • kbdavis07

            @portertx You and all of us here know that he was “technically” fired in effect from all of the negative press. If he did not make the donation or if the gangs did not attack him would he still be the CEO? Answer would be yes.

            What would happen if that $1,000 was towards the pro-gay marriage groups?

            Nothing would had happen.

            SO in effect he was fired from making a $1,000 donation in 2008.

            What we should be asking why the IRS released private information to the public?

            If this continue all of the progress the gay people made in their effort will go down the drain.

            People that are on the fence on either side to support or not support will see the true hate of the gay people and not support gay people any more.

            WE will not stand for this any more.

          • Glen

            You WILL stand for it.

            And you will like it.

          • portertx

            “What we should be asking why the IRS released private information to the public?”

            In CA this is public record the IRS had nothing to do with it.

            Honestly, I don’t care if he donated 1 dollar or 10 million – it is his right to do as such.

            I did not call for his resignation – Nor did the HRC, GLADD etc..

            I just find the hypocrisy “blinding” when other groups call for boycotts, or blocking appointments because of a pro-gay stance. You know JCPenny, Starbucks, General Mills, Home Depot…etc……

            And did you know that a gay person can still be fired in 29 states just for saying they are gay or just by marrying their loved one.

          • kbdavis07

            ” not call for his resignation – Nor did the HRC, GLADD etc..”

            They might not “directly” caused his resignation but “indirectly” they did.

            Its like loading a gun and giving it to someone else to shoot.

            “Technically” they did not pull the trigger but they provided the means in doing so through.

            If they did not load the gun and give it to someone else then there is possibility a person would not had been shot.

            I am all for equal rights to all.

            So a person should not get fired or “indirectly” force to leave their job because of anything that they believe or their values.

            So if a person is gay they should not be fired, if a person supports straight marriage they should not be fired.

            If a person supports pro-life or pro-choice they should not be fired.

            If a person is an atheist, Satan worshiper, Christian, Muslim, and etc they should not be fired.

            All of these are personal issues and should be keep private and not shared with others if the person doing it did not wanted to share this.

            The issue I have is when one side say it is ok for them to do something but not ok when the situation is flip.

            This applies to both pro-gay and Not pro gay sides.

            But, the people who currently support straight marriage has a disadvantage in terms of the media.

            If this was the other way around and CEO donated to

            pro-gay marriage he would still be at Firefox and would be deemed a hero.

          • Glen

            You WILL submit Ernesto…. or you will die.

            Take your pick.

            ;-)

          • vorpal

            Why shouldn’t a minority group seek acceptance, exactly?

            You are under no obligation to accept LGBT people, and as a gay man, I would fight for your right to hold whatever opinion you want. Who exactly is trying to force you into acceptance and how?

          • kbdavis07

            Who exactly is trying to force you into acceptance and how?

            If you don’t accept you get fired from a company you help co-found?

          • vorpal

            That is awesome, porterx! Congratulations! My husband and I will have been married for 10 years at the end of May, and we couldn’t be happier.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I have to admire how you are trying to manipulate those figures to support your case. Only a fool or another idiot would believe what you are trying to say however.
            25% of homosexuals being alcoholics does NOT mean that 75% of heteros are alcoholics, idiot!
            The 50% figure for suicides is only equal when comparing the number of suicides themselves. The ACTUAL figures are NOT equal when taking into consideration the size of the groups
            Let’s see whether I can explain it so that even you can understand!
            Let’s say there are 100 people in our group, 5 of whom are homosexuals, 95 who are straight.
            Let’s say that 10 have committed suicide. Using the 50% figure mean that 5 of the suicides are gay, 5 are straight.
            Removing those people from our group leaves us with 90 people, none of whom are gay, all of whom are straight.
            As you should hopefully see, that figure, when used properly, does not mean that 50% of gays are suicides and 50% of straights are suicides.

          • portertx

            Thank you and I know this – and you helped me make my point.

            This is why just throwing around statistics out of context means nothing. They problem is those who throw out these “statistics” take it all as 100% fact which is not the case.

          • asmith1234

            Portertx, I think you must have missed grade school math in percentages. A percentage is a part of a whole. So a percentage of the whole homosexual population, is 25-33 percent alcoholic. Meaning, 67-75 percent of the homosexual population are not alcoholics.

          • portertx

            I understand math – when you throw our a percentage without a context is is very misleading. That was my point.
            since there is not definitive number of homosexuals (2-3% estimated upon right wing counts – and 10% estimated on left wing counts)….the key is how many people were part of the study, what was the studys’ objective, etc — a number is just a number and without true context really means nothing. It is like just pulling one verse out of the bible and saying it means “this” – without taking into context the time period, culture and context of the whole chapter, etc….

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Ray, where did you find the stats?

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            REFERENCES

            (1) Advocate, 1985.

            (2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.

            (3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.

            (4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.

            (5) “Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea.” Lancet, April 25, 1987.

            (6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. “Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men.” New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.

            (7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.

            (8) Fields, Dr. E. “Is Homosexual Activity Normal?” Marietta, GA.

            (9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.

            (10) Kaifetz, J. “Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some,” Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.

            (11) Kus, R. “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America.” Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.

            (12) Lesbian News, January 1994.

            (13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.

            (14) Manlight, G. et. al. “Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens.” J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.

            (15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy

            (16) MsKusick, L. et. al. “AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco.” Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.

            (17) Newsweek, February 1993.

            (18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993.

            (19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.

            (20) Rueda, E. “The Homosexual Network.” Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.

            (21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, “Can We Talk.”

            (22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.

            (23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.

            (24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.

            (25) “The Overhauling of Straight America.” Guide Magazine. November, 1987.

            (26) United States Census Bureau

            (27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.

            (28) University of Chicago’s Nation Research Corp.

            (29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.

            © 2000- 2003 International Organization of Heterosexual Rights

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Thank you Ray. Stay safe. These Fascists are about to take a page from their progenitor’s playbook (Ernst Rohm – famous founder of the Brownshirts and violent homosexual) to intimidate and hurt all people of faith.

            Keep your powder dry!

          • portertx

            Delusional much?

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            I am a married man of 30 years and have children and grandchildren to boot. That is the natural order of things. Men lay with women. Sperm attaches to egg. 9 months later: Voila! Life!

            What do you get when a sperm meets a turd? Nothing. You are living a lie man! You are the delusional ones!

          • portertx

            I have children also 4 to be exact…. cant wait for grandchildren. So no lie “man” just different from you…peace

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Yep, I didn’t think you’d answer my question. Know why? You cannot make sense out of that which is insane: coprophilia. Peace out.

          • Glen

            That’s right Ernesto. We’re coming for ya.

            What are you going to do about it?

          • portertx

            Paul Cameron __ now thats hilarious…. debunked pesudo science.

          • Natalie

            Nothing pseudo about AIDS.

            Why even support a life style riddled in diseases? Even the CDC says so..and they’re liberal!

          • portertx

            So since HIV/AIDS is primarily affecting the heterosexual population in Africa….what does that say ? Or are they actually all just gay?

          • Natalie

            And do you also know that homosexuality is a huge issue in Africa as well? Where ever there’s a huge AIDS epidemic, somebody is in the sin homosexuality. I also found out that the LGBTs have always been using Blacks as a shield to keep the blame off of themselves.

            I read an absurd article that blamed the ’80 AIDS epidemic on Black folks, but the truth is that men with AIDS slept with Black promiscuous women. The virus did spread, but the initial disease started in homosexual men—and these are men of either race.

            To this day, the homosexuals even try pathetically to compare their so called perverted struggle to what my folks had to endure many years back. Hijackers of truth for lies—racism at its core as well–that’s the LGBT way.

          • portertx

            Actually I am not blaming “black folk”…disease does not discriminate – nor is it a curse from GOD….

            “The virus did spread, but the initial disease started in homosexual men” — Wow there are many theories as to how it has spread – but that is not one of them.

          • Natalie

            Good, but too many of your people do.

            It is one of them. Many women are infected with HIV because of the men they sleep with. Ever heard of down low brothers?

          • Mike H

            Yes and college aged women of color are the fastest increasing demographic for the incidence of HIV infection.

          • vorpal

            You really need to learn the difference between AIDS and HIV. You catch HIV (the virus), which can lead to AIDS. You don’t catch AIDS.

            Furthermore, porterx is right: there is no reason to believe that HIV originated in gay men. If you’re going to open your mouth, you really should educate yourself: right now you’re just making yourself look foolish.

          • Natalie

            And both Hiv and aids are high in homosexuals.

            Denial won’t make it go away. There are anti smoking commercials, but none that warns homosexuals about their lewd practices. That would be homophobic, ya know.

          • vorpal

            No one is denying that HIV rates are disproportionately high in gay men (not lesbians, in which they’re actually very low).

            There are no commercials PERIOD that warn people about STDs, unplanned pregnancy, and other dangers that come with sex. Can you imagine the Christian outrage if such commercials were to exist?

            I don’t think talking to gay people about safer sex is homophobic in the slightest, and indeed, it could have a positive effect. However, calling it “lewd practices” is inflammatory and inherently anti-gay. It IS possible for gay men to be physically intimate while completely minimizing or even entirely eliminating the risk of STD transmission. Also, trying to shame gay men into celibacy is inherently damaging.

            I suspect that your interests, however, do not lie in reducing HIV infections in gay men, but are predominantly rooted in demonizing homosexuality. I would love for you to prove me wrong, though: if tomorrow, an HIV vaccine was developed that fully prevented the virus, would you suddenly change your tune and stop demonizing homosexuality?

            None of this contradicts the point that you’ve said a lot of nonsense and repeated a lot of misconceptions here, either knowingly or unknowingly, which you seem to entirely ignore.

          • vorpal

            Your gross fear mongering and exaggerations are simply lies. Being gay does not make you “riddled in [sic] diseases.” I have been gay for 36 years, and my husband for 32 years, and neither one of us is “riddled in diseases” of any type.

            The risk of contracting some STDs is higher in man-on-man sex because the infection prevalence is higher and anal sex is more likely to transmit some STDs than other forms of sex. However, again, saying that this implies that homosexuality is a “life style riddled in diseases [sic]” either means that you’re deliberately exaggerating to try to demonize homosexuality, or you’re mentally too stupid to understand the distinction.

          • Natalie

            So, you’re saying that the number of homosexuals with AIDS, the AIDS awareness for homosexuals are all lies. Right. Denial won’t make Hiv go away.

            It’s higher because that type of sex wasn’t suppose to be. The anus is not a vagina, which would explain why God did not design men and men, or women and women to couple! This was common sense a long time ago.

            Yet, you call me stupid…

          • vorpal

            I never said any such thing. Why is it that so many Christians are incapable of anything but black-and-white thinking? It’s the sign of an immature mind or stupidity: take your pick. I don’t say that to be insulting; it’s simply true.

            I fully admit HIV rates are far higher in gay men than in the general population. However, the implication that gay men are riddled with disease is a completely absurd exaggeration and gives an entirely erroneous portrayal of the situation. Even though HIV rates are higher in gay men, the majority of gay men will never contract HIV.

            It’s not higher because that type of sex “wasn’t supposed to be”. It’s higher because it’s easier to transmit the HIV virus through anal sex: that’s all. Guess what? The mouth isn’t a vagina, and the hand isn’t a vagina either, and yet people use both all the time to stimulate the penis, often to completion. Body parts CAN serve multiple purposes and be used in multiple ways.

            I never called you stupid. I simply said that either you’re deliberately exaggerating to try to demonize homosexuality or you’re mentally too stupid to understand the distinction. Take your pick. So far, though, you haven’t contributed anything particularly intelligent, and have just indicated a tendency for black-and-white thinking and hyperbole, a lack of fact-checking, and an inclination for repeating misconceptions. I’d love for you to prove that you’re intelligent, though: I have no desire to see anyone as stupid.

          • Mike H

            No Natalie you are not stupid just ignorant and most of what you post is misinformation!

          • Mike H

            OK Natalie I will call you stupid! You are also ignorant!

          • Natalie

            Coming from you, it’s not an insult at all.

          • Mike H

            You are kidding, He actually used a Cameron survey as a reference! LOLROTF!

          • Mike H

            Yeah Ray, and the earth is 6000 years old and man walked side by side with dinosaurs! Your Christian claptrap makes me vomit!

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            Isaiah 5:20
            Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
            that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
            that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

            Isaiah 5:21
            Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes,
            and prudent in their own sight!

            Galatians 6:7
            Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever
            a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

          • tomads

            Do you have a source?

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            Already posted it.

          • FuckYourself

            Nice fabricated “statistics,” devildog.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            You are a filthy pig.

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Jeffry Dahmer was gay.

          • portertx

            And Charles Manson is straight. …whats your point?

          • Ernesto Che Satanas

            Study Manson. He is (was) a left-wing evolutionary socialist who was butt-raped as a child. He went insane as a kid and had a deep hatred for people because of the abuse he received from pederast (homosexual who like little boys).

            John Wayne Gacey was gay.

          • portertx

            Lol and stalin, hitler, polpot etc… all left wing socialists who were butt raped?

          • vorpal

            Yes, so what? What does it matter in Dahmer and Gacy were gay? Dean Corll was also gay, and there are quite a few other gay serial killers. There are also many, many heterosexual serial killers. What is your point?

          • thisoldspouse

            And yet you’ll still believe the exposed Matthew Sheppard lie.

          • John

            Doesnt your god frown on lying? I’m amazed that you and your buddies here seem to skip that commandment on a frequent basis. You are a hypocrite and your posts here only expose that which you really are and that is a common bigot

          • thisoldspouse

            The Matthew Sheppard murder motivation WAS A LIE! Own it!!!

            And yet, he got a thought-crime law named after this lie.

          • John

            Nothing more than your own opinion and that of one anti gay author. Thanks for playing and next time try something reality based as it works out better that way.

          • chamuiel

            reality based? sticking your penis into another mans anus?

            i am sure you call that reality.

          • vorpal

            Why is the Christian right so obsessed with male-on-male anal sex? What the hell does it matter how other people have sex if it doesn’t hurt you in any way? Get over yourself.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Why does it matter?
            Gays are the only people who have asked for sodomy to be legalized and normalized. Utilizing the court system, they have succeeded! Consequently, sodomy and gays will forever be linked together. Elliott apparently had no retort for my comment in that regards so he deleted all his comments. Sodomy is NOT a normal sexual act, no matter who performs it. Sodomy serves no purpose other than satisfying one partner’s sexual lust. The other partner may be participating as an act of ‘love’ but that does not change the basics of the act.

            Whether it hurts me or not is inconsequential. Gays are attempting to redefine an institution that does affect us all. Whether we are harmed by such a change in definition is not the point, although that seems to be your only point. ‘It doesn’t hurt you so let it slide’.

          • vorpal

            Is oral sex a normal sex act? How about mutual masturbation or masturbation? You DO realize that in one’s lifetime, if one has two kids, based on the average number of times a couple has sex and the average number of tries it takes to conception that 0.05% of sex acts one engages in are intended to be procreative? that means that 99.95% of the sex one has is not procreative, and is thus just about bonding with your partner, expressing love, and satisfying lust.

            Sure, gay men are linked with anal sex. (Sodomy is defined as “anal or oral sex”, so I assume you don’t actually mean sodomy.) So what? Why does the way that two men have sex and express their love together bother you so much? Get over yourself. Seriously. Your obsession with anal sex is really quite immature and stupid. If you want to talk about marriage, fine, but obsessing about how gay men do or don’t have sex is just childish. Yes, we know you find it disgusting. I’m sure I could name dozens of sex acts that heterosexuals engage in that you find disgusting as well. It’s not an excuse to hate a group of people.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I know what sodomy is. I initially made my comments because some gays here objected to being called sodomites. Some may use that term to be demeaning or derogatory. I don’t know what their intention is/was. I use the term as a point of fact, not to demean or express hate as you suggest I am doing..

            99.95% of the intercourse that normal couples have CAN result in procreation, unless the woman has had a hysterectomy or the man has had a vasectomy, excluding those people who are no longer fertile, of course. (Gays are excluded from that equation because 100% of their sexual activity is infertile and is essentially masturbation.)

            Yes, sex is bonding with one’s partner and expressing love It can also be recreational and merely lust. Anal sex, however, is not an expression of love, no matter who participates. It, like fellatio, is basically masturbation using one’s partner. The receptor might be expressing love by allowing one’s butt, or mouth, to be used as a masturbatory device.

            Gay sex is not my obsession. What gets my dander up is gays trying to justify their sexual behavior as normal because heteros do it, or because it occurs in nature.

          • Glen

            100% of heterosexual sex is non-procreative when the male has a vasectomy, the woman has her tubes tied, or they are otherwise using some temporary form of contraception. And then of course there are the barren who are aware of that fact. What are THEY having sex for? Just wistfully pretending?

            You are WAY off on 99.95% of heterosexual intercourse being procreative. Not even close, given the number of people who use contraception, or have sex while a woman is not ovulating. Not to mention the alternative forms of sex frequently engaged in.

            Homosexuality is not only completely normal, the human race is only here because of it!

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Tell me, Glen, what is it with you people and reading comprehension? Do you only read and understand what you want to read or only what can be used in some way to support your argument?

            You said “Homosexuality is not only completely normal, the human race is only here because of it!”

            WOW!!! That’s a new one!!! ROFLMFAO

            I certainly hope that you are not a politician who would have an effect upon us by the laws that you might pass.

            The human race is here in spite of homosexuality!!!

            In case you didn’t know it, Glen, homosexuality is STERILE sexuality! You all can f… until the cows come home and there ain’t nothing gonna come of it.

          • Glen

            That’s right, without homosexuality it’s very likely humanity would not exist. That’s so cute you thought it had something to do with homosexual sex creating babies.

            I know that BLOWS what we’ve already established is your simple mind.

            Though granted one would better comprehend that reality if they understood engineering principles. So I can’t fault you there perhaps.

            I happen to be an engineer. Any engineer will tell you that in an additive system, you need to introduce moderators / regulators in order to stabilize such systems and keep them from swinging wildly out of control, ultimately leading to the destruction of the entire system.

            Population growth in a species is an additive system. If 100% of multiple surviving offspring reproduced this would be an unstable system. It would result in exponential population growth, the overrunning of resources, the destruction of the ecosystem which sustains the species, and ultimately devastating crashes of that specie’s population; possibly even extinction.

            In engineered systems, even very small amounts of moderation can induce stability into the system. In fact in the same percentages we see homosexuality in many species. Ensuring that not every possible offspring will be inclined to reproduce provides that moderation. And the easiest, safest, most efficient way to do that… redirect the procreative drive and function toward non-procreative outlets.

            Now… had such a stabilizing moderator not been naturally selected for in all of humanity’s pre-human ancestors, it’s highly likely they would have run into this instability problem and died out long before having evolved into human beings. The species which “found” ways to moderate their population growth survived, those which hadn’t largely died off.

            Among social species, a small percentage of homosexual members had an even greater advantage. Additional adult caretakers for siblings, for sibling’s offspring, and for orphaned offspring of others, is one key advantage. So too is having additional community members who are themselves unburdened with their own offspring to contribute in other valuable ways to those societies.

            While it’s quite obvious that a sexually reproducing animal species could not survive without the majority of its members being heterosexual, that does not mitigate the fact that homosexuality has been important and even vital to the success of those species.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Wow, the search for some validation of homosexuality continues, eh? While it is certainly plausible that homosexuals COULD have played a part in helping mankind survive, that is pure speculation on everyone’s part. But I guess it gives you all hope that there is an actual reason for your existence, instead of merely being the result of some genetic malfunction occurring in utero. So, are you implying that homosexual activity is inherently sterile sexuality more as a means of population control rather than because it is biological reality?
            As far as mankind’s survival, there is also a little theory called ‘survival of the fittest’. Just as in the animal kingdom, when there is a struggle for food, the weakest will not survive. I am sure that would happen with humans, as well, even going so far as to result in cannibalism.
            I guess you et alii must figure that heterosexuals would be so out of control sexually that we would be multiplying like rabbits, eh? I seriously doubt that human beings would be so sexually irresponsible and irrational that they would continue to reproduce knowing that each offspring would reduce their portion of the food supply. In fact, I would think that if the food supply became scarce, sexual intercourse might be the last thing on their minds, if their hunger even allowed it to take place!

          • Glen

            Homosexuality is a biological reality that’s existed throughout recorded human history and certainly prior to that, and seen throughout the animal kingdom in roughly the same percentages seen in human beings. It’s clearly been selected for, or at the very least not selected against in the proportions it’s seen.

            The fact that the more children a mother produces the greater the likelihood of producing gay (not inclined to procreate) offspring is also indicative of some designed purpose (that’s natural design).

            Would human beings overpopulate themselves? Of course! Any animal could. They don’t think about the consequences. You are suggesting that because of our intelligence we would recognize it. Yes, we DO recognize it, but overpopulate we have. Our intelligence has circumvented natural mechanisms of population control. Agriculture, the industrial revolution, modern science and medicine have all extended human lifespans dramatically and allowed for the exponential population growth natural mechanisms were designed to prevent.

            Human overpopulation is not simply related to how much physical space we take up but how many natural resources we use and our impact on our environment/ecosystem. We can solve some of these problems with our very technology, but not enough of it. Fortunately too we do utilize family planning and many choose to limit the number of children they have.

            The bottom line is, if we don’t have some technological breakthroughs that significantly reduce our impact on the very ecosystem which sustains us, then our species could very well destroy that ecosystem and extinct ourselves. Or we need to seriously consider limiting even further our reproduction rates and reduce the human population by attrition. A third, less desirable solution would be to seriously degrade our standards of living to a pre-industrial way of life.

            As it stands we are in serious jeopardy of massive population die-off, should global warming so screw up the environment that it seriously harms our water and food supplies. So baring major scientific breakthroughs, population reduction is the most viable. Preferably by our own attrition and not forced upon us by ecological catastrophe.

            In any case, the last thing we need to do is discourage the few homosexuals we have from being homosexuals. We could use a lot more of people’s offspring to choose not to reproduce. However, given that nobody chooses their sexual orientation that’s not likely to happen.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Your theory is laughable, at best.

            By your estimation, my grandmother, who was the youngest of 17 children, should have been gay as well as a few of her elder siblings. Yet, she managed to add five more people
            to the world’s population, NONE of whom are/were gay.

            Who knew that the Irish and the Hispanics are apparently the source of most of the gay people in this world?

            You learn something new every day, don’t you?
            LMFAO

          • vorpal

            You said: “I seriously doubt that human beings would be so sexually irresponsible and irrational that they would continue to reproduce knowing that each offspring would reduce their portion of the food supply.”

            You’re kidding, right?

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I am not kidding but I am sure that there are those to whom an orgasm is the be-all and end-all of their existence.

          • vorpal

            I don’t think homosexuals have been decimated by HIV / AIDS. (Decimated = cut by 1/10th.) Indeed, HIV has affected the gay male population disproportionately, and I will certainly agree that many humans – gay or otherwise – can act like complete idiots and exercise poor judgment when the opportunity for an orgasm presents itself – but that in no way speaks to all gay men by any means, nor even a majority. I know a few irresponsible donkeys amongst gay men, but the majority are quite responsible and informed in their sexual practices.

          • vorpal

            While you might think that disagreeing with you speaks to one’s reading comprehension abilities, it actually speaks to one’s ability to apply logic, which is something you seem to lack, since most of your “points” are baseless emotional responses.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Disagreeing with me does not mean that I think someone has a problem with reading comprehension.

            Whenever I say that someone seems to have such a problem, it is because they have either misinterpreted what I have I said, somehow ignored what I said, accused me of saying something that I did not say or they are implying that they know my intentions simply because of something that I said.

            A perfect example would be my usage of the word ‘decimated’ in reference to AIDS and gay males. I don’t know what the actual figure/percentage is. I certainly did not mean decimated literally or factually. It was just the word that came to my mind at the time of my post. If you want to crucify me for using that word, for any misspelling, for any typos or any incorrect grammar, so be it. I cannot help that. For some people, that seems to be what they complain about most rather than the substance of the post.

            My example with Glen was that I mentioned vasectomy and hysterectomy. Yet, he made a comment that seemed to show that he didn’t understand or read my post.

            Admittedly, I don’t always get what the poster is trying to say. (Homosexuals and the survival of the human race, that Glen stated, for instance. Perhaps, he was being deliberately vague.) I know that I do not always state my case perfectly or correctly. I am not afraid to admit that I have done so when it is pointed out to me or to apologize for saying something that was taken the wrong way.

            I used the word ‘sodomite’ as a point of fact regarding sexually active gays. I KNOW that it applies to some heteros, as well. I KNOW that it involves fellatio as well as anal sex. However, unlike a lot of posters who use the term, I am not using it as a derogatory term. Whether gays object to the term as a rule or because it is being used in a such a manner, I don’t know.

          • vorpal

            You said: “I initially made my comments because some gays here objected to being called sodomites.”

            So essentially you’re admitting that you’re a dick and deliberately being inflammatory. Way to go! Does having the maturity level of a child make you feel good about yourself? You can call gay men “gay men” or “homosexuals” and we’ll know what you’re talking about just fine. Using the term “sodomite” is erroneous for many reasons (because sodomy includes oral sex, thus making nearly every human a sodomite).

            You said: “Anal sex, however, is not an expression of love, no matter who participates.”

            Anal sex can be an expression of love just fine. Your silly little nonsense about masturbation means nothing: mutual masturbation can also be an act of expressing love. The idea that the only way that love can be expressed through sex is by putting a penis in a vagina (like this is somehow magic) is absolute garbage.

            Gay sex is perfectly natural. There isn’t a definition of natural that excludes gay sex. Your little dandering hissy fit about that and the fact that it upsets you doesn’t make it any less true.

          • Glen

            It’s so heartening to witness here the intellectual capacity of the average anti-gay bigot.

            THIS my friends is why we are winning, why good is triumphing over evil. Because in most instances the followers of evil are just plain dumb (and I do mean intellectually challenged).

            And few are buying your small minded ignorant theistic dogma based view and understanding of sex. They happen to know it’s MORE than just about trying to make a baby.

            P.S. Elliot’s posts were not deleted by him. All were deleted by the moderator of this blog and he is no longer capable of posting here.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Of course, Glen. For gays, sex has to be about more than just trying to make a baby. Gay sex is certainly NOT about conception!

          • Glen

            That’s RIGHT George Harris, NOW you’re getting it!

            You have a terribly sad pathetic view of sex. Thank your religion for that! It’s devastated the ONE life you will ever actually have.

            Don’t worry, I’m personally working to ensure such evil is destroyed. By-the-way… we’re winning.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            My view of sex is based upon biology. Your view of sex is based solely upon orgasm, because gay sex serves no other purpose. My view would only be pathetic if your view wasn’t pathetic. Of course, YOU saying that my view is pathetic is meaningless.
            Keep putting your faith in those polls! IF you are winning, it is ONLY through the actions of activist judges who make decisions based upon their own opinions, or upon those of other activist judges. They further confound things by not staying their decisions while allowing for appeals.

          • Glen

            Yes George Harris, to the childishly simple minded, gay sex (or any sex that’s not done with the express intent to make a baby) has no other purpose.

            You will need to ask yourself, WHY do you have such a limited capacity to think in terms of anything beyond black-n-white? Where do you think that simple mindedness comes from?

            I know the answer by-the-way.

            Yes, I have faith in scientifically conducted polls, particularly when multiple polls are averaged to provide an even clearer picture of where the public stands on issues, decreasing the margin of error. And they have consistently shown over the last 4 years now, that the majority of Americans nationwide support same-gender marriage equality.

            And in case you hadn’t noticed voters themselves in 4 states in the 2012 elections voted favorably toward same-gender marriage. These were in GENERAL elections, the most broad and representative elections with the highest turnouts. In fact just about every pro-equality candidate won their elections.

            But… you let Matt Barber tell you what the Truth™ is.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            I do NOT put my faith in any polls, no matter what the result, especially in polls of 1000 people. How can those results actually mean anything?

            You are correct, Glen. 7 million out of 22 million potential voters is certainly NOT a majority. However, the results of such a ‘poll’ are certainly more believable that polls of 1000 people. Considering all the apathy that seems to come about during recent elections, I am inclined to believe that more people stayed home that agreed with Prop. 8 than who disagreed. After all, gays had more to lose by the results.

            Thus, one would expect gays to be out in force. The fact that they still lost should tell you all that you need to know about public acceptance of gay ‘marriage’

          • Glen

            It’s a proven mathematical reality called statistics. It’s remarkably accurate within a certain margin of error. See the + or – X% associated with polls. Usually 3 to 5 %.

            Granted there can be problems with the cross sample used and that margin of error could be much higher than advertised, which is why any single poll is usually not anything to hang your hat on. But once you begin averaging several polls you shrink those margins of error dramatically. It is now statistically impossible for the polling on where the national American public is on same-gender marriage equality (which indicates majority support) to be wrong. Dozens of polls over the last 4 years have shown majority and growing support.

            Note, that’s the American public at large. That may not translate to voters. Eligible, registered, and likely voters can have quite different polling.

            Prop 8 was voted on during a general Presidential election. That brings high voter turnout on both sides of the spectrum. Though those on the right are still somewhat more likely to turn out to the voting booth. Young voters are notoriously bad at turning out, if they even register.

            By-the-way, you do realize that gay people are a VERY small minority of people in this world, and country. They don’t make ANY progress without many TIMES their numbers more straight allies.

          • vorpal

            Statistics is a rigorously defined field of mathematics. If you have a problem with statistics, I’m afraid you have a problem with math. Criticize the methodology or sampling of a statistical survey if you like, but simply saying “I do not put my faith in any polls,” just makes you look dumb.

          • vorpal

            And, as I said, the overwhelming majority of heterosexual sex is certainly NOT about conception, either.

          • 361036

            “average anti-gay bigot”

            “followers of evil”

            “small minded ignorant”

            So….where’s that tolerance that your side is always talking about?

          • Glen

            Those are my well considered opinions. This is not what we speak of when we speak of tolerance. People are welcome to their opinions and judgements.

            Where has anyone said that those ignorant small-minded anti-gay bigot followers of evil ought to be forbidden from marrying whomever they happen to “love”, or that businesses should be allowed to refuse them service?

            Try to impose YOUR unfounded unsubstantiated beliefs onto others via the law without a rational secular basis and you’ll see where the tolerance from our side ends. There is to be no tolerance of unsupported intolerance in the law.

            What we are saying is that someone could believe that Christians are the scum of the earth. That they ought to be chopped into little pieces and fed to lions. But that person STILL, if they want to run a licensed business that is open to the general public, must serve any Christians that walk through their doors.

            Yes, they CAN put up a sign in their store that says Christians Suck! But if a Christian still wants to be served the products which are being sold, that business is required to sell to them based on the laws we’ve instituted for a diverse society of people who are free to be who they are or want to be.

            That is tolerance.

            Meanwhile YOU are welcome to call gay people hell-bound sinners or whatever you please.

            Neither of us are free from being called out on our opinions and views.

          • vorpal

            First off, where did “our side” claim to be universally tolerant? Refusing to accept your “difference of opinion” (i.e. intolerant, illogical anti-gay bigotry and contributions to shaming gay people) does not indicate intolerance: I also refuse to tolerate the “difference of opinion” that is racism, and the “difference of opinion” that is sexism.

          • Natalie

            Because we know that it can causes illnesses and even death. If the LGBTs were smart, they would listen to us. They call us homophobes and haters, yet we are the very ones trying to help the LGBTs. Some people like their sin, I guess.

          • vorpal

            Uhhhh… no, Natalie: homosexuality in and of itself does not CAUSE illnesses or death. Unsafe sexual practices certainly can result in diseases that cause illness or death. Homosexuality, though, in and of itself, does nothing.

            You are NOT trying to help gay people. You are trying to shame them out of being gay.

            Here is an honest question for you. Take someone like me, who is not attracted to women in the slightest and only attracted to men. How would you advocate someone like me live their life and why? (I’m an atheist, so don’t apply any “seek god” nonsense, please, because that isn’t going to happen.)

          • Natalie

            Suuuure. And what erupted in the ’80s was all a myth.

            The first part of being set free is to accept the truth of the matter first, and this is what the LGBTs fail at doing because of their pride.

          • vorpal

            I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you say “what erupted in the 80s.” Are you referring to HIV? Because, as I said, homosexuality does not cause HIV. It’s not like being gay can magically give me AIDS.

            I think you’re mistaken in your second paragraph. There is nothing to be “set free” from. My ability to feel, experience, and share love isn’t something negative from which I need to be set free. How does pride fit into it?

            Anyways, you ignored my question. I’d really be curious to hear your response if you’d consider answering it. I often hear Christians say that homosexuality is immoral and wrong, but when I ask them how they advocate that someone who is not at all attracted to the opposite sex should live their lives, they seldom have an answer.

          • vorpal

            …and yet the defendants claimed a “gay panic defense”.

          • chamuiel

            yep, sheppard was killed by his ex gay lover.

          • chamuiel

            and john is n infantile name caller. it is all he knows.

            This bigot thing is like those who have always yelled racist.

            It is old, worn out, and means little.

            you need some new material.

          • vorpal

            Actually, both words have a well-defined meaning.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:

            • One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).

            • One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

            • Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).

            • Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).

            • Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).

            • Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.

            • Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).

            • 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).

          • John

            Nice spam and laughable at best.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            More rubbish from John

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            I think you meant to say “more rubbish from me”, Ray.

          • GeorgeHarris7

            Now, now, now, Ray.
            You cannot be citing polls or studies that are not in favor of homosexuality. Gays will ONLY accept poll results that favor their goals, no matter how SMALL the pool that is used.

          • ezekiel22

            See you are back yet again. So tell me how are the Spartans doing or even the Athenians? It is hard to erase history.

          • Karmas_hitman

            Are you still laughing over the death of a child, creature

          • Karma_HitMan

            are you still laughing about a dead child.

          • EyeJelly

            Looks like your hot rock has gone cold. Still waiting for the “truth to come out”?

        • chamuiel

          it does not take much to get the truly insane to laughing hysterically. you have once again proven that

      • chamuiel

        sheppard was killed by his ex gay lover.

        • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

          The Pope wears Prada haute couture.

          See? I can spew non-sequiturs as well.

          PS: Mine is true.

      • Karmas_hitman

        so I see you lost your bet, creature.

    • Connie

      stupid comment

  • lenscraft

    You clearly don’t know what the first amendment is. The government never got involved in the Eich case, let alone kept him from speaking.

    • Rockon

      Homosexual ACTIVISTS have used the government more often than not with incorporation the highly ambiguous term “sexual orientation” into laws and equating it with skin color.

      • lenscraft

        That has nothing to do with the first amendment, which gay-obssesed Matt Barber declares dead.

        • Rockon

          So how does it not? And the only ones who are “gay-obsessed” are the ones making what should be a private matter into a political activist movement pressuring every cultural institution to affirm, endorse, promote, and/or celebrate their bedroom habits publicly.

          • lenscraft

            How is marriage a ‘bedroom matter’? You clearly don’t understand that marriage is about love and commitment.

          • Rockon

            How is redefining marriage to make loving and committed biological connections within families optional, irrelevant, or not important in the best interest for children?

          • lenscraft

            Scientific studies (and orphans like Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Dave Thomas, etc) show that biological connections don’t matter. In any case, why are you assuming that there aren’t biological connections between parents and children in gay marriages?

          • Rockon

            Making the family structure more disconnected and dysfunctional makes the success stories a lot less likely. Look at the crime rate in correlation to fatherless homes. How many of those kids could of been the next Steve Jobs? (And that’s not to say financial success made him happy).

          • portertx

            So what you are describing is a rampant heterosexual dysfunction – that you want to blame the LGBT community for?

          • Rockon

            Rampant “heterosexual” dysfunction is a result from the sexual revolution, a movement that homosexual activists were huge proponents and instigators of (see their hero Alfred Kinsey). Two wrongs don’t make it right or a right, and we don’t take something that is bad or has been bad by making it worse.

          • portertx

            Slippery slope argument — doesn’t hold water…sorry same argument was use against women voting and interracial marriage —

          • Rockon

            What behavior ddoes same sex attraction result in and what behavior does black skin color result in? Also, who made the same argument? Please cite your source(s)

          • portertx

            same sex attraction results in the same thing that opposites sex attraction does – Love (hopefully).

            now if you want to compare an adulterous marriage (remarriage) to same sex marriage – then yes there is a comparison — one would is hypocritical to allow while the other is denied.

            Really cite sources? – you don’t have Google at your disposal?

            “Far too many women are fascists at heart. You can see this at work in almost every female-dominant organization and in the way that women’s organizations constantly attempt to force change on everyone, men and women, who don’t want it. Some people think the Founding Fathers had never even considered the thought of allowing women to vote, that it was just a historical oversight on the part of some unconsciously sexist men. I suspect that they knew perfectly well what they were doing, given the obvious connection between the female franchise and the West’s continental drift into socialism.”

            – Vox Day

            1. ANTI-INTERRACIAL State v. Jackson. Missouri (1883): “They cannot possibly have any progeny, and such a fact sufficiently justifies those laws which forbid the intermarriage of blacks and whites.”

            ANTI-INTERRACIAL Senator James R. Doolittle (D-WI), 1863: “By the laws of Massachusetts intermarriages between these races are forbidden as criminal. Why forbidden? Simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong.

          • chamuiel

            you call perversion, love?

            really?

          • vorpal

            I call far-right Christianity a perversion, and you’re right: it has nothing to do with love.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            “What behavior does same sex attraction result in…”

            In 17 states and 16 countries, marriage!

            PS: More to come.

          • chamuiel

            b.s. it has been proven that kinsey added to his findings.

          • chamuiel

            no body is blaming the lgbt pervert community.

            just be quiet and go poke your wiener in your dog’s poop.

            isn’t that next?

          • vorpal

            Dude, seriously, get the hell over yourself. You’re pathetic.

          • vorpal

            How does allowing same-sex couples the right to marry make anything optional, irrelevant, or not important? What ridiculousness. By excluding same-sex couples from marriage, you are barring them from being recognized as families under law.

        • nick

          Matt is talking about “the spirit” of the First amendment as well, not just the Letter of The Law. Your lenses are clear, why pretend otherwise ?

          • lenscraft

            The spirit being that boycotts are against the first amendment? Or are condemnations of bigotry against the first amendment? Tell us of this ‘spirit’ that Matt is referring to…

          • nick

            If you have to ask , your’e not teachable

          • lenscraft

            That’s clearly a cop-out. You’re waving your hands about the first amendment being ‘dead’, but walk away when asked to supply your reasoning.

          • nick

            Alright, I’ll fake it till you make it…. Firstly, neither I, nor Mr. Barber entertain the first amendment anywhere, it is You and Laurie Higgins alone.who are “waving hands”
            The “Spirit” of the First Amendment simply put preserves advocates, protects and defends The INDIVIDUAL from tyrannical majorities and minorities who might seek to silence their expression along many lines. Our Society STILL understands that protecting the needs/rights of The One will protect the needs of the many. The Blacklist of the fifties Witch-hunts is now in different hands; read Friendly Faschism by Bertrand Gross and any work by Anthony Sutton or Judith Reisman.Also Hanna Arendt’s Men in Dark Times, assigned to me by a Homosexual Professor 40 years ago.

      • vorpal

        What exactly is ambiguous about the term “sexual orientation”?

  • CajunPatriot

    Why not “reprobate mind fascists”? Or “sodomic fascists?”

    • thisoldspouse

      I prefer God’s characterization:

      2 Timothy 3:
      2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

      3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

      4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

      5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

      • portertx

        Sounds like the GOP

        • thisoldspouse

          I’m glad we’re on God’s side, then.

  • Connie

    Great article, I wholeheartedly agree. This Country was built on Judeo-Christian values and now given a bit of rope, by the current US Administration, sexual perversion is trying to take over the world.

  • Natalie

    Funny how the LGBT community can’t see their own hatred. So, a man is forced to resign because he supports traditional marriage. The perverts cry about equality, and has zero meaning of the word. Just come out and say it: you guys hate Christians and you hate God. At least be honest.

    • John

      Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Your “side” just threw a huge hissy fit about WV and forced them to change their policies. Good grief.

      • Natalie

        Don’t change the subject. Time for you to just stop using equality and tolerance. You hate people who supports marriage like God ordained it. Just say it and quit lying

        • BeantownBoy

          Uh…we’re talking about Civil marriage here, not religious marriage or the sacrament of marriage. Civil marriage is not religious. Also, the “God” I think you’re talking about ordained marriage between one man and a woman, and another woman, and another woman and another woman. Whose Bible would you like to quote from?

          • Natalie

            There’s only one marriage, and that’s how the Lord made it so. Even with these man made civil unions, the perverts are not satisfied and can’t tolerate traditional marriage and those who support it…or have you even read what happened to the guy who lost his job for supporting what he believes in?

          • BeantownBoy

            If there’s only ONE marriage, which one are you talking about? The one that Priests witness in a Catholic church? The one a Rabbi performs? BTW, all these religious leaders have to get the ok from the State before being able to conduct a REAL marriage which is a civil marriage.

          • Natalie

            The marriage that began with Adam and Eve. Therefore shall a man leave his parents to cleave to his WIFE.

            One way: man and woman, not man and man, woman and woman.

            That doesn’t even make sense…they are not designed to couple, yet they call God a liar…which is why the lgbts hate anything that is Godly.

          • portertx

            So where did all the other people come from if Adam and Eve only had 2 sons — and one killed the other? Incest?

          • Trevor Brown

            Why are you even speaking? You’re not allowed to teach a man. You are to keep silent and let your father or husband speak for you. That’s in the Bible too.

          • portertx

            Actually I have no problem with traditional marriage — my being married the one I love…In no- way does not prevent anyone from getting a traditional marriage – does it?

            Oh and BTW how about all those LGBT people whom have lost job because of whom they are and what they believe? Lastly, he chose to step down….and most likely walk away with a boat-load of money too.

            ——
            Which version of the biblical marriage are you referring too?

            Here’s a list of ‘ideal marriages’ from the bible:

            Genesis 2:24One man, many women – PolygamyJacob had 2 wives and fathered 13 children. This is rarely spoken about when the subject of marriage and the bible is debated! Genesis 4:19Levirate – Brother-in-law marriageIf a woman were to become a widow and had not given birth to a son, she would be required to have “relations” with her brother-in-law. Genesis 38:6-10A man, a woman, and HER propertyIf a woman was “married” and infertile, she could giver her property, her slave, to her husband as a wife. Genesis 16A man, one or more wives, and some concubinesA man could have one or more wives and any number of concubines. In modern terms, one man, his wive(s), and one or more mistresses. Genesis 20:10A soldier and his female captiveAs with many wars, women become the property of the victor. And that is how it was in biblical times. Female captives were forced to submit to their male captors, usually by force, RAPE. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 and Numbers 31:1-18A male rapist and the victimIf a man raped a woman and she wasn’t married, she would be forced to marry him. A man could rape any woman that he liked and they would be considered married. The draw back? For the man OF COURSE! He could not divorceher!! Deuteronomy 22:28-29A male and a female slaveAn owner could order a female slave to “marry” a male slave without any input from the female.The consumation of this “union” usually involved rape. Exodus 21:4 One man one woman – MonogamyThis marriage “type” is what most people are familiar with.

        • DaveBroadus

          Discriminating against other people because of ignorance, and fighting for one’s rights are not two sides of the same coin. Why should I have tolerance for stupidity that harms people? He resigned because so many people thought he was an idiot, as the vast majority of people in this country understand that some people are gay. No big deal. And for the record, gay people totally support straight marriage! It’s only YOU who wants to discriminate.

        • shy guy

          Help me out here…..Exactly which version of Christian God Marriage are we taking about…..Does God have a favorite?

          Polygynous Marriage

          Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.

          Levirate Marriage

          When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).

          A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

          The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).

          A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

          The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).

          A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

          Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.

          A male rapist and his victim

          Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.

          A male and female slave

          A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.

          and of course …

          Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

          What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.

    • Jim

      Funny how the Christian community can’t see their own hatred. So NOM is now calling for a boycott of Mozilla. The religious hypocrites cry about intolerance but the word has zero meaning to them. Just come out and say it: you Christians hate gay people and you hate the God who loves gay people. At least be honest.

      • Natalie

        Yes, because Christians forced a guy to resign from his job for supporting same sex marriage. Unlike your reasoning, I have proof.

        • Jim

          “Christians” forced an entire company to change its employment policy by withholding charitable donations for children. Haven’t you heard of World Vision?

          • Natalie

            World Vision was suppose to be following the Word of God that’s way.

          • Jim

            In other words, your side is always an exception to the rules it wants to apply to others. Which is another way of saying that there are no rules your side needs to abide by. Which is another way of saying that your hypocrisy gets a pass.

          • Natalie

            You meant to say that the LGBTs are the exception to the rule. Who was just fired for donating to prop 8, and by which group of cry babies?

            Don’t try to spin things around. The only bullies are the LGBTs and their farce-tolerance and equality.

          • Jim

            Nobody was fired. Eich resigned. Nobody demanded that he get fired. People wanted him to explain himself, to say what he believed and why. He wouldn’t and left instead. Evidently you don’t think Prop 8 was about anything important. Apparently you think denying gay people a fundamental civil and human right is OK. No so long ago in history here in America, you couldn’t marry the person you loved if that person was another race. People justified this with Bible verses and Christian values and claims that God wanted the races to be separate and the will of the majority. Was that OK? Was that right? Should your fundamental human rights go up on the political auction block? If a majority votes that you are a second-class citizen and denies you equal protection of the law, would you accept that?

          • Natalie

            Not fired…just pressured to resign or change his personal views on marriage. Sounds like firing to me.

            Explain himself? He gave money to something he believed in. Now how many companies today give to sexual perversion, and THEY DO NOT HAVE TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES? Because if I question Target on their filthy beliefs, I would be a homophobe, wouldn’t I? The perverts are free to be queer, but nobody is free to disagree with them. And you call that equality? And you wonder why many people do not LIKE LGBTs when they act like they own the world and every body HAS TO agree with them, and throw their faiths in the closet for the likes of them?!

            Just admit it. You LGBTs are not equal, you’re selfish and please stop acting like your party didn’t do wrong in forcing a man to quit his job. This has nothing to do with civil rights and human rights. It’s about sexually perverted men and women ruining the lives of anyone who disagrees with their perverted ways.

            First thing about human rights is equality, and the LGBTs failed at that a long time ago.

          • Glen

            You know what. Why am I wasting my time with you fetid scum. We’re crushing you, and we’ll continue to crush you because good always triumphs over evil in the end.

            By-the-way. Turns out you are NOT the black woman in your avatar picture. You’re not even a woman! Charlatan. Why am I not surprised.

          • Natalie

            Please. You’re like dirt speckles to the Lord Jesus Christ. Your party might be ‘winning’ for now, but Christ is still on the throne, and EVERY knee will bow and confess that Jesus is Lord. As it were in the days in of Noah…remember that.

            HA! That’s all you got? You really ran out of ammo. I’m a real female—unlike your friends who fake to be women, when they’re really men.

        • Glen

          That’s right Natalie, what about what Jim’s examples of the reprehensible behavior of “Christians”. Threatening to withhold charitable donations meant to feed starving children unless World Vision reinstated their policy refusing to hire gay married individuals.

          If you’d like to go into the long BLOODY history of Christian REAL atrocities, we most certainly could. Including the enslaving of people like you (something the BIblical god clearly approves of).

          • Natalie

            Sorry. But if World ministries is following the Word of God, and if my money ever went to their ministries, I would expect my money to be used for the Word of God.

            Supporting just ONE abomination is enough for me to stop giving money to them…and about feeding the starving children…what, do you think World Vision is the only charity I have to give my money to in order to feed starving kids? Nice try.

            Go ahead and go there. I sense that you’re going to use all the old laws of the bible: Deut, Leviticus, Exodus…and you’re going to take it terribly out of context like how you people always do. Bring it on.

          • Glen

            Well clearly you are as disgusting and vile as are the rest of those so-called Christians. You are full of evil Natalie. What a rancid slimy heart your religion has given you. Refrain from giving to a child-helping charity because the charity might hire a person who is in a same-gender marriage!? You’re sick.

            But it’s little surprise when THIS is the slavery loving ‘god’ you worship. Do check out EvilBible (dot) com <— This is the filth that informs your views.

          • Natalie

            Disgusting and vile–I am no contest compared to the likes of the LGBT hoards. All that you say you support (equality, love, tolerance) is really just the opposite (division, hate and selfishness). Did you guys READ how your party pressured a man to resign because he dared to disagree with the likes of sexual perversion trying to call itself a marriage?

            Disgusting? Vile? The LGBTs win first place for that one…maybe next to Islam.

            Yep. Of course…the slavery excuse never fails (because I am Black and I was suppose to get all teared up and emotionally hurt at the thought and even the word of slavery). Yeah, there was slavery documented in the Word of God—but not like the slavery that happened in the West.

            However, telling you that God fulfilled the Laws of Moses probably won’t mean much to you because you will no longer have nothing to blame the Word for.

            Get the REAL Word of God and leave that crap evil garbage alone.

          • Glen

            Neither Jesus nor the new testament had anything bad to say about slavery either. But congratulations on adopting the religion that oppressed your ancestors with direct authorization from the holy book you adore.

            By-the-way, Jesus never said the old laws were null and void. He simply said that you don’t need to go to hell for not following them, you can be saved by his grace. He also said that he who followed all the Old Testament laws would be considered GREATEST in the kingdom of heaven while he would ignored them would be called least.

            Our ‘party’ didn’t do anything to Eich. Many people, gay and straight (mostly straight) expressed their desire to not help to enrich someone by using the products of a man, elevated to the leader of the company, who spent money toward harming gay people in helping to pass a law to strip them of legal civil marriage rights. Eich, so it is told, choose to step down.

            Had he simply said he disagrees with same-gender marriage, and hadn’t involved himself financially toward efforts to impose that view on other citizens, then nobody would care much.

  • Karen Mitchell

    What is it with religion and sexual obsession?! You Christians always think that gays are trying to convert you to their sexual orientation (they aren’t) but you do try to convert them to yours with laws, violence, threats of eternal damnation, banishment, bullying, murder, etc. etc.. Why is that? (We call that hypocrisy, btw.)
    This is how you can tell they aren’t……
    Gays will not try to convert you into a “homosexual lifestyle” because they know you are born with your sexual orientation, you don’t chose it. They KNOW it. So why try to change others? It is only the ignorant – and those who shamefully and secretly harbor thoughts of homosexuality – who believe it is a choice and try to convert you to heterosexuality.
    If you’re gay, you’re gay. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. Get over yourselves, Xians…….
    (Your cries of Christian persecution because you can’t discriminate based on your particular interpretation of the words of some myth never shown to exist is hysterical. I can’t wait to hear you cry when you inevitably lose your cushy tax exemptions – and you will.)

  • Connie

    Being gay is a sexual perversion. It’s OK if people want to be against it. It goes against mother nature.

    • thisoldspouse

      The diseases which often accompany it is empirical proof.

      • portertx

        Disease do not discriminate

        • thisoldspouse

          They most certainly do discriminate by behavior.

          • Trevor Brown

            Being a poor African is a behavior? Fascinating.

    • portertx

      Yet homosexuality is found in nature…

      • thisoldspouse

        So is cannibalism, infanticide, and gentricide. Should we emulate all of those, too?

        • portertx

          There is this thing called consent….and those items have existed in many cultures….like Eskimos setting the elderly adrift on icebergs….

          • thisoldspouse

            Please try to stay on topic. You appealed to the behavior in the animal kingdom for guidance. Should we not defer to this guidance, or not?

          • portertx

            cannibalism, infanticide, and gentricide exist in human and animal kingdoms. just as homosexuality. My response was to the comment about “mother nature”

          • BillTheCat45

            You tell us Professor, please link to your research outside of sky god cultist websites, thx.

        • BillTheCat45

          Wow what an intelligent argument you make, you must be a college professor.

      • Matthew T. Mason

        ….and yet we are not animals. False analogy.

        • BillTheCat45

          Another sky god cultist science denier.

      • GeorgeHarris7

        What is called ‘homosexuality’ in nature is homosexual only in the eyes of the beholder. I doubt that a male dog consciously pursues another male dog because he is attracted to its butt.

    • BillTheCat45

      Being a believer in a sky god cult is a mental illness.

  • Connie

    Lots of homofacists here today – trying to get their message across in a way only the radical activists can do. When you try to control the sexualization of children as young as preschool to embrase the homo culture in textbooks, you’ve gone too far! People have a right to be against sexual perversion as that is what homosexuality – bisexuality – beastiality – etc are in fact, sexual perversions of heterosexuality.

    • Rockon

      If you read pro-homosexual activist sites like Advocate, Queerty, LGBTNation, etc, you’ll see almost none or very rare commenters from the Christian side on them. The homosexual advocates obviously have a lot to prove, because they are fighting nature and therefore fighting Truth internally. They only help to prove the term “homofacists” when they attempt to zap or jam Christian articles

      • BillTheCat45

        Yeh that must be it, fascist prick.

  • Nancy Knowles

    AIDS is a gay disease. [SOURCE: Center for Disease Control] MSM is a psychological and bacteriological disease that kills people.

    • John

      Are you really that ignorant? This has been addressed so many times in the past. Show me on the CDC website where it states that AIDS is a gay disease………crickets……..

      • thisoldspouse

        Homosexuals are HUNDREDS of times more likely to contract HIV/AIDS than the general public. It’s why the FDA still bans blood donations from men who have sex with men, moron.

        • portertx

          Actually there are alot of reason people are banned:

          AIDS: You are a person with symptoms or laboratory evidence of HIV infection.

          Cancer: Hematological, ie: Hodgkin, Leukemia, Lymphomas.

          Hepatitis: A history of the disease after the age of 11, or a positive lab test for the virus.

          Organ Failure: Kidney, lung or liver failure.

          Recreational Drug Use (by injection): Having injected yourself with drugs not prescribed by a physician.

          United Kingdom: You have visited or lived in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Gibraltar or Falkland Islands for a total of 3 months or more from 1980 thru 1996.

          European Countries: If you have spent a cumulative of 5 years or more since 1980.

          U.S. Military/Dependents/Civilian Military Employee: If you are U.S. Military / Dependent / Civilian Military Employee who spent a cumulative of six months or more between 1980 thru 1996 associated with a military base in Spain, Portugal, Turkey, Italy or Greece, and/or 1980 thru 1990 in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany.

    • nick

      Nancy, you are either an ignoramus or a agent provocatuer on this string. Most Everyone knows that the AIDS virus weapon’s primary target was Africans like UGANDA and the like.

      • Nancy Knowles

        mmhmm. riight. Now, about that CDC report … ???

    • antihatred

      Hello Nancy, Are we circa 1980 if not then we see the effects of getting our news from Fox ‘news’ and other conservative ‘news sources’. Peace

      • Nancy Knowles

        Yep. As I thought. They usual [boring] gaystappo trollers who have nothing counter-factual, just ad hominem.

    • BillTheCat45

      Stupidity seems to be a christianist disease.

  • Aaron Senters

    Wait, this isn’t an Onion article? DO YOU ACTUALLY MEAN WHAT YOU’RE SAYING??? I can’t believe I breathe the same air as you. What authority do you have to make any of the outrageous claims you do here? How many gay people have reacted in violence to ALL OF THE MURDERS CHRISTIANS HAVE COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD AGAINST THEM? I can’t remember ANY! Please show me an article or SOME SEMBLANCE OF PROOF. Or maybe you’re just an ex-juicer who couldn’t make a real name for himself in the boxing world and now you’re taking out your frustrations (repressed sexuality?) out on people you perceive to be weaker than you. You are a bully, a hate-monger, and just an all-around bad person. I hope you never feel a moment of happiness, and I wish God was real for the first time in my life, because I would love to watch you burn in HELL right next to me.

    • kobin45

      When it comes to “gay violence,” the incident the anti-gays will bring up again and again and again and again and again is Floyd Corkins’ attack on the Family Research Council in Washington, DC where a guard was injured when Corkins shot him in the arm. In their minds this outweighs centuries (yes, centuries) of gays being hung (in early colonial America), murdered (Harvey Milk among countless others), thrown in jail, physically harassed by law enforcement, discriminated against, insulted, marginalized and attacked (as seen in police blotters and crime reporters’ notebooks across the country). The fact that there is no evidence to suggest that Corkins’ actions were motivated by religious animus — and lots of testimony to suggest his actions were totally driven by the policy positions of FRC as well as anger over Chick-fil-A’s support of organizations like FRC — is seen by some Christians as irrelevant. They consider it an anti-Christian hate crime… even though no one else does.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      “How many gay people have reacted in violence to ALL OF THE MURDERS
      CHRISTIANS HAVE COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD AGAINST THEM?”

      And how many homosexuals have been killed by Christians? Please provide sources and links.

  • finishstrongdoc

    Relativists can include anything except objective truth to be included. In the same way, they can’t accept the fact that PEOPLE who hold to objective truths may have rights.

    For a relativist, then, they are doing those who hold to objective truths a favor when they “turn them out,” meaning seduce them into committing a homosexual act with them or someone who commits gay acts, “Because you’re really gay and just don’t know it yet.” But a straight can’t say to a gay “You’re just really straight and don’t know it yet.” That would be “hate speech.”

    The truth is that all straight persons are potentially gay and all gay persons are potentially straight, and therefore “gay sex” disappears as a political act and the gay person as a political actor.

    Gay activists may not even need to have personal contact with you to seduce you. Just watch Oprah, Ellen, “Friends,” “How I Met Your Mother,” “The View,” or “Sex in the City” long enough and you’ll be converted to “LGBTQ-itis.”

    • portertx

      For a relativist, then, they are doing those who hold to objective truths a favor when they “turn to Jesus” meaning seduce them into committing a Christian act with them or someone who commits Christian acts, “Because you’re really Christian and just don’t know it yet.” But a atheist can’t say to a Christian “You’re just really Atheist and don’t know it yet.” That would be “hate speech or blasphemy “?

      Christian activists may not even need to have personal contact with you to seduce you. Just watch 700 club, Veggie Tales, CBN, DayStar, , “Davie and Goliath”, “Super Book” , long enough and you’ll be converted to “Christian-itis”

      • finishstrongdoc

        Christians aren’t relativists, Christians are objectivists, because Christians don’t deny the objective truths of the Apostle’s Creed. Christians have been martyred by the millions down through the ages by those who hated them for holding to objective, unchanging truth. Actually, “truth” should be spelled “Truth,” because Truth is a Person, Jesus Christ the Lord.

        • portertx

          Yet there is a multitude of Christian denomination that claim they follow the Truth……Not to mention many other religions that claim they follow the Truth which does not include Jesus Christ the Lord…thus making all religions relativist in nature – because all cannot be the Truth now can they.

          • finishstrongdoc

            You have said rightly; only one religion then can be true, as God cannot lie nor can He be lied to. Jesus is God, as confirmed by His life, which was predicted by the Old Testament Prophets, and which He fulfilled in both the Old Testament Laws and Prophecies.. His seven sacraments are His signs for all human persons as to where all may go to receive grace to follow Jesus, Who Is God, and the only begotten Son of God, consubstantial with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

      • finishstrongdoc

        Can a Christian be seduced into having gay sex? Can a gay man be seduced into becoming a celibate Christian? Yes and Yes. Gays aren’t “special,” any more than straight people are special. Either one can change at any time from one sexual orientation to another. There’s your “equality.” Gays and straights are equal. Get over it.

        What is special is male-female sexual bonding in a lifelong committed marriage to one another and no others. If that’s not special, then we should all just close up shop and lay down and die in our human wastes.

        • portertx

          I agree that a lifelong and sexual committed bond in marriage is special – but it is not just the per-view of heterosexuals.

          • finishstrongdoc

            You haven’t said who are participating in what, and how they are bonding and how they are signifying their love for one another. I assume the omission was made purposefully, to make it seem that there’s equality with procreation, which is special, to mutual masturbation, which isn’t special.

            Where is your evidence that a man having sex with a man or a woman having sex with a woman is anything other than mutual masturbation? This doesn’t make those people who participate in that sexual act different from a man and a woman who may participate in the same sexual act. Why is mutual masturbation a special thing?

  • finishstrongdoc

    Relativists have to accept all extreme proposals as valid, otherwise they’d have to become objectivists. For an “it’s all good” (inclusiveness) philosophy to be sustainable, the fact that men marry their dogs must be included as a valid relationship, just as valid as any other “marital” relationship. Eventually, the objective meaning of “marriage” disappears, and sexual anarchy becomes the only “valid” and legally acceptable norm by which laws are written.

    Objectivism, then, becomes the only extreme. To hold to objective truths becomes outlawed. And then you end up with Presidents demanding that “everything” be included on health insurance or you are mandated to be and declared an outlaw

    • portertx

      When dogs can consent under the law – then you may have a point – but honestly can a dog objectively consent and say I Do?? Will dogs be able to vote too? Are Dogs now equal to humans?

      • finishstrongdoc

        I tried to post the link with my response, but it was censored by this page’s, admins. Yes, people are marrying their pets. A woman married the Eiffel Tower a few years ago.

        • portertx

          Yes and there was a woman who married a bridge — but not legally recognized…..

          • finishstrongdoc

            ….but not outlawed.

            Positive Law demands people to convert or face penalty or death, like Islam’s dhimmitude, or Obama’s Mandate.

            Where is it written in our laws that you must convert to Christianity or be penalized, or die?

          • portertx

            Well lets see – Bryan Fischer has recently said that Adulterous people should be in jail for 15 years. Shall we discuss the Russian and Uganda laws push forth by Christian Evangelicals?

          • finishstrongdoc

            Is all truth relative? If it is, then any law enforced by any country anywhere may be correct, and may not be incorrect. In other words, if all truth is relative, all things are lawful to do. On what authority do you say all truth is relative, if in fact you do say it is?

  • Harshan

    If there is an anti-discrimination law in your jurisdiction, and you are on trial for discriminating against a gay person, then I agree that you should be able to receive an exemption if you have a sincerely held religious belief. However, if you go to trial, you be required to prove it.

    Here’s how you prove it: If it is a religious belief, you should be able to produce a copy of your church’s doctrine or policy that obligates you to discriminate. To prove it is sincerely held, you must show that you are a member in good standing, and that you have not knowingly broken those rules. Also, to prove sincerity, you must show that the policy and your membership both began a specified number of years before.

    These are the same requirements that are imposed on people who want conscientious objector status, and the pacifist churches have no problem with them. I don’t think anyone with a sincerely held religious belief would object to testifying to their own religion.

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

    This most recent writing simply represents the continuing paranoid delusions of a man who collects a salary and supports his family perpetuating lies about the gay and lesbian community in an effort to keep hate and bigotry alive.

  • Hosianna

    Hello, fellow followers of the Savior! Why waste your time on these spiritually blind people? Spiritual things can only be understood spiritually. Perverts understand only bodily pleasure and the joy of persecuting people who disagree with them. If only they knew how short-lived their little triumphs will be and how drastic the consequences. Homofascism is a predatory movement–the sick infecting anyone they can get hold of. Their actions tell it all–raging, fist-clenching, foul-mouthed, naked, rebellious, spiritually diseased and dangerous as wild animals (with apologies to the animal kingdom). Use spiritual weapons; the others don’t work. MHO

    • BillTheCat45

      The only “perverts” here are you and your despicable sky god cultists.

    • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

      “Why waste your time on these spiritually blind people?”

      Are you referring to the faux Christians like you that spout ignorance and bigotry?

  • Peter Quebbeman

    barber is a sick, hateful man, he is in dire need of psychiatric help.

    • thisoldspouse

      Yet, he has a popular website and you don’t.

      • BillTheCat45

        LOL “popular”, I don’t think that word means what you think it does, princess. Too bad Matty the Moron has no actual power or weight in the public discourse other than blathering about his sky god cult’s angry master.

        • chamuiel

          is your god that cat?

      • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

        Yes he certainly does, if you consider the US ranking of 35,785th, popular.

        • BillTheCat45

          lol *Hi-5*

        • chamuiel

          your point is?

        • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

          • Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molester, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

          • 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).

          • Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).

          • John

            Spammer!!!

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            Those who present the truth are called spammers.
            The wicked don’t like those who tell the truth.
            Oh well.

          • John

            Ray you are nothing more than a liar for your god. Shame actually. Try posting the truth and see what happens!

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            2 Timothy 3:

            This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their ownselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

            “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”

            Gal. 4:16

          • John

            *yawn*

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Ray, we’ve already had a lengthy conversation about your anti-gay statistics. They are propaganda. You are a victim of propaganda. You are spewing propaganda.

            Frankly, I really don’t care. You’re on the fringe. Modern society doesn’t buy the garbage you peddle. I will tell you that it is to the advantage of the GLBT community that you continue to perpetuate the BS that you do. It is SO unbelievable and ridiculous that it repels people from your position.

            Please keep it up.

            PS: If you had your first homosexual experience you were 18, with another homosexual who was 18, it would be perfectly legal. It would also include you in your 73% statistic. See? BS.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            The further a society drifts from the truth,
            the more it will hate those who speak it.

          • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/nancy-elliott-anti-gay-ne_n_460544.html Former Representative Elliott

            Please, Mary, get off the cross, It’s been decided that there won’t be anymore crucifixions.

          • Glen

            We don’t hate you. We pity you. You’re mentally ill.

          • 361036

            “You’re mentally ill.”

            Is this how you express your so-called tolerance?

          • Glen

            It’s my opinion of right wing fundamentalist Christians.

            I’ll still serve such mentally ill individuals if they came into my store, and I wouldn’t try to pass laws that say they are forbidden from marrying, even if I DEEPLY believe they are the scum of the earth.

            Do you see the difference, between THAT and what these right wing fundamentalist Christians are trying do?

          • Glen

            As Former Representative Elliot told you, nobody is buying the garbage anti-gay propaganda your ilk is peddling.

            The reason that gay rights are advancing so rapidly is that more-and-more gay people are out of the closet. These are people who are KNOWN by their family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, associates, and other fellow citizens. And guess what they see with their OWN two eyes!!!

            That’s right… they can see that you are full of it Ray. The gay people they know are NONE of the things you claim.

            Sadly, as is the case throughout history, your religion and it’s dogmatic indoctrination has FAILED you. You are beholden to first class demonstrable liars, like Matt Barber here.

          • John

            and even more spam!

      • Peter Quebbeman

        Popular with whom? Nothing but a bunch of far right wingnuts who claim to call themselves Christians but don’t act Christ like in any way shape or form.

        • thisoldspouse

          LOL!! You’re posting here, along with just about every other homosexual activist within earshot.

          I can’t think of many other articles which generate over 300 comments.

          • Trevor Brown

            Derp

          • WXRGina

            Yes, Spouse, it’s “funny” how vicious and hateful they are toward those of us who simply tell the truth about them. The truth is like sunlight to a vampire to these rebellious God haters. If we’re so “crazy” and “hateful,” why do they waste their time spamming us with their truly vile hatred? Hmmm…

          • vorpal

            I explained to you why I’m here in quite a bit of detail.

          • Trevor Brown

            Get out of my country

          • Trevor Brown

            thisoldspouse
            “Homosexuals are HUNDREDS of times more likely to contract HIV/AIDS
            than the general public. It’s why the FDA still bans blood donations
            from men who have sex with men, moron.” feel that Chriztian lurv!

          • WXRGina

            Oh, so telling the truth about homosexual behavior being a distinct–proven–danger to the blood supply is somehow wrong. Only in the warped, sick mind of the Godless Left.

          • thisoldspouse

            Hi Gina. Go check out Mozilla’s smoking comments section. I hope this makes CFA Day look like a warm-up.

          • WXRGina

            Oooooh, doggie! I’ll check it out, Spouse. This is the perfect example of homofascism at work. It also shines the spotlight on the true “homophobics,” those who are so scared of the homofascists that they cave like tissue paper at the first sign of their evil disapproval.

          • John

            Like you all’s boycott of Starbucks, General Mills, etc.???

          • Glen

            CFA day!

            Why do you think Dan Cathy has changed his tune? One day of right wing anti-gay bigots flooding Chik-Fil-A restaurants, hardly made up for the countless numbers of those from across the spectrum, and happen to have gay friends, family members, or neighbors, who swore off ever eating at Chik-Fil-A again.

            He knows something more…. While they may still be profitable, It ultimately hurt their bottom line, and their growth projections.

            More-and-more companies are learning, standing WITH gay people and against anti-gay bigots is a winning strategy. There are more good, and good hearted, people in the world than there are bad.

          • 361036

            “anti-gay bigots”

            Is name calling the preferred method of expressing your so-called “tolerance” for opposing views? What do you hope to achieve by doing that?

          • Glen

            That’s not name-calling. It’s my well considered opinion of the vast majority who decided to come out to CFA that day.

            Are you a mental midget as well who can’t see the difference between ‘name-calling’ (like at the beginning of this sentence) and trying to treat other people like 2nd class citizens by refusing to provide them goods and services in our publicly made possible businesses, or disallowing them from participating equally in our laws (like marriage) without a valid justification?

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Oh, so a bunch of anti-Christian bigots are supposed to be a threat? People supporting sin are not “good”, or “good hearted”.

          • John

            Thats because sorry, intolerant, hateful people, like yourself, need to be called out for the lies you spread. Have a nice day

          • WXRGina

            No, John. There’s no reasoning with people like you who see the truth as “hate” in your warped mind. You can’t even see that you’re utterly delusional.

        • chamuiel

          how long have you been an infantile name caller?

          • Peter Quebbeman

            Not calling names, just pointing out Mr. Barber’s sick hatefullness. And yet you called me a name on another thread. Hypocritical much?

        • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

          The homosexual agenda:

          •The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights…..To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games….At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full ‘appreciation’ or ‘understanding’ of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing…then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won” (25).

          •Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: “We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right — as heterosexual Americans already have — to see government and society affirm our lives” (27).

          •Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1).

          •Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17).

          • John

            more laughable spam from ray ray

      • vorpal

        It doesn’t seem that popular. The number of supporters that he has seems to be less than a hundred. I see the same twenty or so far-right Christians here over and over again, and every so often (usually because this site gets mentioned a lot on RightWingWatch for lunacy, and on other similar sites) a new fellow liberal.

      • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

        True.

    • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

      Actually you are wrong.

    • LadyGreenEyes

      Ad hominem attacks are the sure sign of a lower in any debate.

  • peteykins

    Godwin’s Law fail.

  • zacharybynum

    Sort of like why Matt Barber and his ilk are called “Talibangelicals.”

    • Trevor Brown

      Because they are.

    • vorpal

      Never heard this term before, but it’s awesome. Very fitting.

      • thisoldspouse

        The homo-Left uses it all the time. And they accuse US of overusing the Nazi reference.

        • vorpal

          The far-right is essentially craving and advocating for a Christian equivalent of Sharia law. While I do agree that the term “Taliban” is an exaggeration, it’s nowhere near so much as calling someone a Nazi.

        • portertx

          Let me know when you have a numerical tattoo, are put in a camp, and someone has warmed up the ovens…..until then it is purely BS.

  • vorpal

    When you resort to playing the Nazi card, you know you’ve already lost, and this is the second time in a couple weeks.

    • peteykins

      Only the second time? I doubt it.

      • vorpal

        The second time I’ve seen. There could possibly be more. I remember this article and a rainbow flag featuring a swastika. Uberlame.

    • thisoldspouse

      The shoe fits. Wear it.

      • vorpal

        You’re Nuzi.

  • Lynn McCrann

    So now if I express favor of my traditional marriage I am a bigot and a bully? But if I welcome deviant sexual behavior I will be able to keep not only my job but not be kicked out of the company I created. Duh!
    I know who the REAL bullies are and they are not the ones who engage in abnormal sex or claim to be women while still in possession of male genitalia, the GLBT idiocy. Sick is as sick does>

    • peteykins

      Who got kicked out of the company they created?

      • Lynn McCrann

        Brendan Eich was the major creator of Mozilla and he, because he contributed to the effort to support the traditional marriage issue in California, was ostracized, bullied and condemned and forced to resign. If that is not bullying I have no idea what bullying is.
        If that was done to him then I have to suppose all of us in traditional marriages who are opposed to pseudo marriage claims should be kicked out of our jobs and lose our business’ as well.

        • Trevor Brown

          Yep. And then kill yourselves. That’ll teach fags.

          • thisoldspouse

            Your fascism is showing, troll.

          • Trevor Brown

            Cu nt

          • WXRGina

            Take a hike with your profane hatred.

          • Trevor Brown

            shut up straggot

          • WXRGina

            I assume you have nothing to add to this “discussion” other than idiot comments.

          • Trevor Brown

            Actually my comments are spot on. You people aren’t homophobic. You’re just a$$holes

        • peteykins

          I’m so sorry your world is crashing down around you. It must be terribly frightening. You poor, scared thing! How awful for you.

        • peteykins

          Please show me the evidence that he was “forced out”. Last I heard he voluntarily resigned due to the outcry of his own employees, most of whom are not gay.

    • vorpal

      1. When you advocate for treating same-sex relationships as second-class, and by extension, LGBT people as second class, then yes, you are a bigot. Your incredulity or offense at being labeled a bigot is not relevant.

      2. No one KICKED Brendan Eich out of Mozilla. He stepped down due to the controversy. Why shouldn’t LGBT people (and their supporters) boycott Mozilla if they chose to be headed by someone who was not only anti-SSM but actively donated to limit their rights? How isn’t it hypocrisy for Christians to whine about this, but then feel completely justified in their protests of World Vision about their policy change, then going so far as calling for the board to step down once they reversed their decision?

      • thisoldspouse

        He was “asked” to leave, or we knew what would happen.

        • vorpal

          You guys can keep repeating this, but I’ve seen no evidence of it anywhere. You don’t get to make up your own facts.

      • Truth Offends

        “CEO Brendan Eich should make an unequivocal statement of
        support for marriage equality. If he cannot, he should resign. And if he will
        not, the board should fire him immediately.” ~petition signed by almost 75,000
        homofascists

        • vorpal

          A petition is a perfectly valid way to express oneself. So what? How is this remotely different from the Christians howling for the World Vision board of directors to step down, even once they got their way?

          • Truth Offends

            The two scenarios are not analogous.

            75,000 homofascists demanded the CEO of an internet company publicly support the homofascists’ political views or resign/be fired.

            Christians demanded a Christian organization’s board of directors step down because they fundamentally changed it hiring policies which strayed from Christianity. (If the HRC changed its hiring policy so that it would now exclude “married” homosexuals, no one would criticize homofascists demanding HRC board of directors step down.)

          • Glen

            That’s right. SEE what we homofascists can do!! Now don’t you forget it. We’re next coming for YOU! And we will get you, and there is nothing you can do about it

            Nothing. Because you will be in prison.

            * What’s that over your shoulder! *

  • Trevor Brown

    Wackjob

  • chamuiel

    The very sick, sick minority continues to rule America with the aid of their gay president, obama.

    • Trevor Brown

      Wackjob

    • thisoldspouse

      Poor Michelle. She’ll be a discarded “beard” when the party is over.

    • tatoo

      Ha, ha

  • Randy Thor Ham

    In a country where we have the Patriot Act, NDAA, warrantless surveillance, militarization of police, self-perpetuating phony wars on just about anything, and blunt bipartisan favoritism, I find it sad that people are still arguing about marriage equality. We’ll never get anywhere if we keep up this whole “red vs. blue” paradigm, especially since in this case we’re basically arguing over the morality of questionably translated ethics codes from the bronze age.

  • Alphonsus_Jr

    I’ve found that none are as intolerant as those who preach tolerance. Matt Barber, I salute you!

    • thisoldspouse

      The modern “tolerance” canard is completely false. You can only truly tolerate that which you despise, but allow in very limited areas by necessity only.

      I read a great internet article about a year ago on the truth about tolerance, but can’t post it here even if I could find it. A breath of fresh air from this stifling PC.

      • Alphonsus_Jr

        I recommend reading this essay:

        Tactics of the Homosexual Movement, by John Vennari

        • thisoldspouse

          Look forward to reading it.

  • Truth Offends

    HOMO-FASCISM
    “CEO Brendan Eich should make an unequivocal statement of support for marriage equality—If he cannot, he should resign. And if he will not, the board should fire him immediately.” ~Credoaction petition signed by almost 75,000

  • Truth Offends

    The pro-homosexual rights movement keeps talking about “marriage equality.” Supporters of so-called “gay marriage” say the reason homosexual men should be allowed to “marry” is supposedly so that homosexuals could receive the same rights, benefits, and protections that married men and women receive. (You know, equality!) Notice: Those reasons are self-serving. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

    But, ask yourselves: Why do married men and women receive those rights, benefits, and protections in the first place? Married men and women receive those things because of the benefit they offer to society!

    Do homosexuals want “equality” in only those things they can receive? Or, do they also want “equality” in those things that they offer society?

    If the pro-homosexual movement truly wants “marriage equality,” they should tell us what benefit to society would homosexual “marriage” offer that would be “equal” to the benefit to society offered by married men and women.

    • tatoo

      What benefits do married men/women give?

      • Truth Offends

        The basic foundation for any civilized society. Procreation combined with giving their children a stable family unit with both a mother and a father.

  • thisoldspouse

    Just uninstalled all HoMozilla products on my computer, and told them why.

  • Pieter Stuyvesant

    So Mozilla now joins my personal blacklist of organizations that have caved into hate group pressure, such as Chick Filet and the Boy Scouts. These people must come to understand that just as there is a cost for standing up for their (former) principals, there is also a cost for abandoning those principles.
    Boycott the immoralists and those who enable them!

    • Asemodeus

      “So Mozilla now joins my personal blacklist of organizations that have
      caved into hate group pressure, such as Chick Filet and the Boy Scouts.”

      Why are you on the internet then?

      • Glen

        Ba-zing!

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  • Father Dacius

    How are we supposed to think of their practices? The Biblical instruction is stoning. But if one were to view the world through a strictly Darwinist lens then they are genetically damaged and produce no offspring-So it doesn’t matter what happens to them.

  • Jack Kenney

    Godwin’s Law as explained by Wikipedia: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

    • Guest

      That’s not a real law, that’s a bunch of crybabies acting like Hitler who don’t want to be called Hitler, and I don’t want to say they’re Hitler..

      …but they’re Hitler.

  • vorpal

    Even most of the “ex-gay” activists will readily admit that they’re still “suffering from same-sex attraction” (i.e. STILL GAY). They’ve just managed to force themselves to live a dissatisfying life as a pseudoheterosexual. It’s like forcing a left handed person to write with their right hand. It can be done, but it will never feel as natural or work as well.

  • Martin

    The Credoaction petition is the anti-Christ version of “choose this day whom you will serve.” If not clearly so, why in any discussion the immediate shift to their perceptions of Christianity? Not about equality, at all, and clearly never has been.

    The gaystapo wants a battle, but they are not prepared to suffer the consequences. Sad, really, that the movement begun to ensure those who are different are not treated differently, has become what it despised.

  • allie

    2 Timothy 4:3
    For
    the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having
    itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with
    their own lusts.”
    Romans 1:21-27
    For
    although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave
    thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts
    were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
    23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look
    like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.24
    Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to
    sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25
    They exchanged the truth about God for a lie,and worshiped and served
    created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.26
    Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
    exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same
    way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were
    inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with
    other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

  • SouthernPatriot

    As of the latest information that I have, six of the top seven American male serial killers were all homosexuals, those being Donald Harvey; John Wayne Gacy; Patrick Kearney; Bruce Davis; the sex-torture ring of Corell-Henley-Brooks; and last but not least, Juan Corona. Of course, the infamous Milwaukee murderer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer was also a homosexual who engaged in sex with his victims as did the other men just mentioned, some doing so after their victims were dead.

    Now let us also consider for a moment the title of top individual mass murderer in the world. Two homosexual men are in the running for that distinction. Nazi executioner Ludwig Tiene strangled and gnawed to death hundreds of boys and young men in Auschwitz while simultaneously raping them. Gilles de Rais, better known as Bluebeard, raped; murdered; and in some cases, ate 800 poor young boys whom he had seduced with promises of food and a bath.

    That the homosexual community has been and continues to be a source of murderous sexual violence is a fact which has been covered up by the
    modern press. The case of thirteen-year-old Jessie Dirkhising is one case in
    point. Dirkhising was bound, gagged, and sexually tortured to death by two homosexual men in Benton County, Arkansas on September 26, 1999.

    Another recent example of homosexual/sodomite violence covered up by the press is the December, 1999 arrest of two men in Pakistan. A December 7, 1999 Associated Press story reported that the men were being held for the rape and murder of at least 100 children. Though the words children and child were
    used repeatedly throughout the story, the sex of the victims was never
    revealed. An examination of foreign press reports finally revealed that the
    deceased were indeed little boys who were kidnapped, raped, murdered, and then put into barrels of sulfuric and hydrochloric acid.

    Alfredo Garavito, a Columbian homosexual/sodomite, was eventually given an 835-year prison sentence for the murder of 189 people. Columbians protested at the time, appealing for the death penalty which was not allowed by law, since Columbia did not/does not have the death penalty. Garavito had gained access to his victims, many of whom were the unattended children of street vendors, by using disguises. Most often posing as a monk or a priest (one of his many nicknames in the Colombian media was “El Cura”), he lured the boys with promises of money or a drink. Garavito traveled widely during his killing
    spree, committing murders in at least 11 of Colombia’s 32 departments; he also
    was suspected of murders in Ecuador.

    • Truth Offends

      FYI: Headline from CNS Jan. 30, 2014:
      Sandy Hook Killer Had ‘Movie Depicting a Man/Boy Relationship’ on His PC
      “The state’s attorney report on the horrific murders at the Sandy Hook Elementary School by shooter Adam Lanza found no “conclusive motive” for his actions but did document unsettling facts about the 20-year-old killer, including computer files he kept on the rights of pedophiles, a movie about man/boy love, instant messages concerning “homosexual fantasies,” numerous mass murder documents, and a computer game entitled “School Shooting.” ~reporter Michael W. Chapman

    • portertx

      Between late 1977 to early 1978 cousins Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono carried out a reign of terror in California, kidnapping, raping and killing 10 girls aged between 12 and 28 years old, strangling each victim in the hills above Los Angeles which led to them being known as ‘the Hillside Stranglers’. Bianchi attempted to plead not guilty by way of insanity but was found to be faking mental illness, so instead agreed to plead guilty and testify against Buono. Both were sentenced to life imprisonment. Buono died of a heart attack in his cell in 2002.

    • portertx

      Between 1967 and 1987 Fred West and his wife Rose tortured, raped and murdered at least 11 young women and girls, many at the couple’s homes at 25 Cromwell Street, Gloucester which was later nicknamed the house of horrors. The pair were finally apprehended and charged in 1994 after police obtained a search warrant and located several human bones buried within the garden and under the floor boards. Having been arrested and during his trial, Fred West hanged himself in his prison cell prior to being convicted. In 1995 Rose West was jailed for life having been found guilty on 10 counts of murder. Their house at Cromwell Street was demolished in 1996 to discourage souvenir hunters

    • portertx

      Chikatilo was a Soviet serial killer, nicknamed The Butcher of Rostov. He committed the sexual assault, murder and mutilation of at least 52 women and children in Russia between 1978 and 1990. Believing he was the killer, police carried out surveillance Chikatilo which eventually provided adequate grounds to arrest him. He confessed to a total of 56 murders and was tried for 53 of these killings in April 1992.

    • portertx

      • Robert Yates killed seventeen prostitutes in the Spokane, Washington area, during the 1990s. He was married with five children, lived in a middle class neighborhood, and was a decorated U.S. Army National Guard helicopter pilot. During the time period of the murders, Yates routinely patronized prostitutes, and several of his victims knew each other. Yates buried one of his victims in his yard, beneath his bedroom window. Yates was eventually arrested and pled guilty to thirteen of the murders.

      • The Green River Killer, Gary Ridgeway, confessed to killing 48 women over a twenty-year time period in the Seattle, Washington area. He had been married three times and was still married at the time of his arrest. He was employed as a truck painter for thirty-two years. He attended church regularly, read the Bible at home and at work, and talked about religion with co-workers. Ridgeway also frequently picked up prostitutes and had sex with them throughout the time period in which he was killing.

      • The BTK killer, Dennis Rader, killed ten victims in and around Wichita, Kansas. He sent sixteen written communications to the news media over a thirty-year period, taunting the police and the public. He was married with two children, was a Boy Scout leader, served honorably in the U.S. Air Force, was employed as a local government official, and was president of his church.

      • thisoldspouse

        Learn what “proportionality” is and then come back for an intelligent discussion.

  • Glen

    By-the-way I did want to remind Mr. Barber, and his followers, that we ARE kicking his sad little self-loathing closeted homosexual a s s.

    Having lived a sad pathetic wasted life, he will go to rot in his grave with FULL marriage equality and even greater LGBT rights and protections across America.

  • Harry Lime

    The First Amendment protects the government from interfering with Free Speech not individuals calling for the ouster of a self-acknowledged ass wipe bigot. If people find Herr Eich’s views intolerant they have every right to make their opinions known and force him to resign. It’s not that complicated.

    • kbdavis07

      But would the same happen if he donated for a Pro-Gay cause?

      Can’t have it both ways?

  • Chris Harknett

    So much liberals on a site for conservatives and christian people to discuss what to do on this grave matter. You dont like what you are reading leave. And please dont put Huff Post on here whoever did that, the most leftist homosexual supportive site on a site that is against it. Oh and to whoever made a statement saying christians are declining. I beg to differ. Christianity is rising each and every day.

    • tatoo

      You obviously haven’t read the polls.

      • kbdavis07

        and who polls are you reading?

        • Llosgli

          The ones Obama and the Gay Mafia rigged

  • not ok to be gay

    its not ok to be gay, that is my new slogan, what do you think??

    • not ok to be gay

      Really don’t care what you think!!

      • tomads

        why post?

    • tomads

      can’t bash LGBTQ’s any worse than they bash themselves…

  • Ernesto Che Satanas

    GLENN and EYEJELLY: Are you two practicing coprophiliacs?

    If so, is that the next mental disorder that your ilk will attempt to erase from the next DSM iteration?

  • portertx

    Many of the other world relgions would totally disagree with you.

  • LadyGreenEyes

    Oh, wait……how did I miss this before…? ChairWOMAN MITCHELL Baker? Mitchell isn’t a woman’s name. Maybe there is more than one reason that statement was made.

  • vorpal

    When you start linking to Chick tracts, you know you don’t have a leg to stand on.

  • GeorgeHarris7

    And sadly, a lot of people who see something will believe what they read or hear, even if they do not understand what they read.
    If poll after poll insists that gay marriage is becoming accepted more and more by society, there are those who will believe it, the more it is proclaimed.

  • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

    Matt,

    The parallels between the homo-fascists of today and the fascists of yesteryear are greater than just the name. Check out THE PINK SWASTIKA, 4th edition.

    Many of the National Socialist German Workers Party leadership were homosexual.
    http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

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  • Josef Francisco

    This is disgusting. You are completely ignorant to the amount of pain LGBT people experience because of beliefs like these, calling us perverted or unnatural. I did not chose to be queer and trust me, it would be glorious if I could be as privileged to not have to feel like I’m a mistake and endure this bigoted buffoonery. Queer people are so discriminated because of this bigotry. In 29 states, it is legal to fire someone for being queer and in 9 states which ban anything public which supports gay rights or people. Conservatives like this oppress queer people only using religion as evidence (which by the way, in America there SHOULD be a separation between church and state,) and have no actual logic to justify condemning homosexuality. I and all of my fellow gays are beautiful and I know we are completely righteous no matter what your intolerance says. Understand our lives and how valuable they are to yours and then, without the pathetic sympathy you have now, tell me how I am wrong.

    • tomads

      how did you become queer?

      • Josef Francisco

        I was born this way. I come from a traditional home. I don’t know the exact scientific reasons, but I know for a face that this is me and it will never change. I used to be very religious along with everyone around me to hope that I could suppress this, but I failed miserably. I am happy today to say that I am completely true to myself.

        • tomads

          When did you determine you were queer?

          Do ewe believe in gay genetics?

          I recall a study that used faked data to make the point…

          I’ve heard the rumor for decades in Fornicalia & the Village, which contradicts what I have heard from my gay friends who fell into several categories, none of them genetic…

          Dominant mother, wimpy dad, catholic priests & nuns, proselytizing and seduction at prep schools and universities

          and now grade school

          If a person can lie about their sex which is indeed genetic, they can lie about anything…

          • Josef Francisco

            Well I found at I was queer at puberty as with most homosexuals, and actually my father is most definitely dominant in my home. Even so if you’re trying to imply that a mother and father must have certain roles in a house that’s completely sexist. If you feel like I’m lying, all I have to say in regards to that is I know what is in my heart and I couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Only I know the truth about my self and no one can decide if I can control it or not.

          • tomads

            Was that when your first sexual experience occurred?

          • Josef Francisco

            Not necessarily. It’s more of that at this time I found myself being attracted to males in a way different than females. There weren’t situations that made me realize I was gay. It was more of the way I felt than the actions I took. It is the same self acknowledgment that a heterosexual boy would have felt toward females as I did to males. For example, a boy doesn’t have to do sexual things with a girl to know he’s straight.. We just know how certain genders make us feel at some point in our lives.

          • tomads

            you do realize that your genetic line ends with you, right?
            Have you ever had a woman as a lover?

          • Josef Francisco

            Yes I do realize that. And no, I do not think I ever want to be in a heterosexual relationship. But considering over population is more extant in the world than ever, I find that me not having any children is not so detrimental for the sake of the population.

          • tomads

            You DO realize you are the end of your lineage…

          • Glen

            Please.

            Anyone with any extended family will have plenty of lineage to go around. I for instance have two heterosexual brothers (along with nieces and nephews whom I do a great deal to help support) and numerous cousins who share either my fathers or mothers genes. Not to mention the many other branches of the family tree.

            The human race (indeed any species) acts together as a whole to propagate human genes, it’s not an individual endeavor. Some offspring are designed to serve another purpose other than procreation themselves.

          • tomads

            nonsense…

          • tomads

            ewer line is dead…

          • tomads

            How did you find out?
            I bet your father squashed you…
            women have milk bearing tits, normal men don’t …
            That dictates real sexism…
            I feel you have been fooled…
            When I convinced a femme half of a gay couple to try out women, his reply was an exuberant “Women are neat!”
            The butch half of the couple screamed at him for weeks…
            They died after being infected with HIV by Hunk Rodson at the baths in West Hollywood…
            Who KNEW he was deadly…

    • Glen

      Shut up queer.

      • Josef Francisco

        Oh, statements like those are a bit senseless at this point. As this entire discussion is saying, this bigotry, ignorance, and hate is slowly becoming the minority of America. It would be ideal if you could find some logic reasoning rather than something completely spiritual and subjective, however unfortunately all that motivates your argument is illogical social codes and dated, irrelevant religious ethics.

        • Glen

          I’m a liberal progressive gay atheist.

          You however are a damn queer. You said so yourself. There’s nothing good about being a queer. In fact in the dozen or so definitions in the dictionary for queer, not a single one of them is anything good. How odd that you call yourself one.

          • Josef Francisco

            Now this is confusing… queer used to be derogatory, but now it is being reclaimed by people as an umbrella term for all members of the gay community, including homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, transgenders, genderqueers and so on.Queer is just a broader label for all of us. How is that bad?

          • Glen

            Are you living in the 90’s? Queer is still a derogatory term. It’s been replaced by LGBT. The effort to rebrand a word that by default has entirely negative connotations hasn’t worked. Tell me Josef, if people were going around calling LGBT people, bags-of-scum, would you be trying to reclaim the phrase bag-of-scum?

            Hi!!! My name’s Josef Francisco! I’m an out and proud bag-of-scum! Nice to meet ya!

            Let’s see how the dictionary defines queer. Find me the “good” definition.

            1) strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different; singular: a queer notion of justice. <– Take note of the example they give here.

            2) of a questionable nature or character; suspicious; shady: Something queer about the language of the prospectus kept investors away.

            3) not feeling physically right or well; giddy, faint, or qualmish: to feel queer.

            4) mentally unbalanced or deranged.

            5) Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
            a. homosexual.
            b. effeminate; unmanly.

            6) Slang. bad, worthless, or counterfeit.

            7) to spoil; ruin.

            8) to put (a person) in a hopeless or disadvantageous situation as to success, favor, etc.

            9) to jeopardize.

            10) Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. a homosexual, especially a male homosexual.

            11) Slang. counterfeit money.

            12) queer the pitch, British Informal. to spoil the chances of success.

            ————————————–

            Did you take note how the DICTIONARY still labels the use of ‘queer’ as disparaging and offensive when referring to homosexuals?

            YOU may be a queer Joseph (have a field day), but I most certainly am not, and you should stop referring to LGBT people as such.

          • Glen

            By-the-way, I encourage ALL the anti-gay bigots here to continue using the word ‘queer’ as a derogatory word for LGBT people. The vast majority of us STILL consider it to be highly offensive.

            Besides it’s useful for identifying anti-gay bigots the same way the n-word is useful for identifying racists.

      • Schlukitz

        Thank you for exposing yourself as the bigoted, hateful person that you are.

  • tomads

    Here is my take on the LGBTQ galaxy, gay-bashing and homophobia:

    What percentage of gays and lesbians have kids of their own?

    What percentage of transexuals have operations paid for by someone else?

    There is no such thing as a transexual!

    Only spayed and castrated lesbians and gays with massive hormone therapy to counteract

    their genetics and attached protheses useful in mutual masturbation…

    Lesbians avoid male sex partners, EXCEPT when they want to conceive…

    Gay men who avoid female sex partners, EXCEPT when they want to conceive…

    Bi-sexuals claim both sexes as potential mates, but only conceive with the opposite sex,

    perhaps with multiple sperm sources…

    Transexuals are males and females who willingly neuter themselves…

    and then botox,etc, their bodies appear to be the opposite sex…

    but can never again conceive children…

    Queers are retro in your face members of the above groups…

    bringing back a bad word as a taunt…

    All who don’t conceive fail at natural selection…

    They do not go forth and multiply…

    Science still is unable to assure that ANY of the offspring of any of the above are as robustly developed as the product of monogamous relationships…

    Do you have any references that prove the contrary?

    One cannot bash LGBTQ galaxy at all as completely as they bash themselves…

    Their seed will be dropped from the gene pool…

    forever!

    Their line stops with them…

    No despot or tyrant or commie atheist “chairman” could more completely make them into unpersons genetically!

    what is there to fear about people who are so self-destructive in a genetic sense?

    gay marriage:

    heterosexuals produce children…

    The LGBTQ wanker alliance do not…

    Is that too complex?

    • Josef Francisco

      Can you describe this LGBTQ wanker alliance because if it is what I think it is I may vomit.

      • tomads

        Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transvestites, Queers

    • David Young

      Hey Sheep Dipper !

      Are you having fun yet ?

      • tomads

        poor baby daveed…
        I pass out pun IQ tests that involve the word sheeple, and he/she/it thinks of sex…

      • tomads

        afraid to confront ewer inner darkness?
        it’s been 2 months…

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  • diamondryder

    No need to argue with the ungodly. They are subject to their own god, the father of lies and darkness. They will remain blind to the truth until it is far too late for them. Every single one of you ungodly, immoral, anti-christian bullies will some day bow before God on your knees and you WILL confess that Jesus is Lord.

    • Glen

      There ya go. At least you have THAT to hang your hat on.

      Now stop bothering everyone else with your fantasy imaginings. We’re not interested.

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    what a load of crap !

    this nonsense about “Christian Intolerance” is just racist tripe !

    There is NO protection of your ‘”Feelings” in your Religious Freedoms you whining pack of brats !

    you do NOT have the Right to discriminate AGAINST other Citizens of OUR NATION because your PREACHER says you should. Said Preachers SHOULD be IMPRISONED for INSTIGATING Hatred.

    You have the Right ” To choose your House of Worship”,, you do NOT have the Right to push the Beliefs of your ” House of Worship” on others or interfere with their WAY of life to further your “Beliefs” !

    Welcome to the United States Of America, where ” Individual” Freedom outranks ” Religious” Freedom !

    END THE DOMINIONISTS FASCIST AGENDA IN THE USA!!!

    • Schlukitz

      It’s the same pap that was fed to the Germans about “The Jewish menace” by the Nazis. And we all know how that turned out.

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  • Llosgli

    Homosexuality needs to be recriminalized. One way around it all, is to sign a treaty with Russia and Uganda about the issue.

    • imnotgay2008

      How about you just move to one of these advancing countries to live out the rest of your miserable life?

  • Schlukitz

    Now dig-up some similar statistics for you heterosexuals.

    • tomads

      we await ewer stats…

    • tomads

      no stats yet?

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