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Dan Cathy Takes the Mark of the Beast

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That headline is not true. Dan Cathy of Chick Fil A has not (to my knowledge) taken the Mark of the Beast. Yet he has done something that suggests he might be willing to take it if faced with that choice, in the same way that answering a poll is an indication of how a person will vote in an election. As the Bible says in Luke 16:10, “He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.”

Dan Cathy was given a great opportunity by God to show faithfulness to His truth by standing for authentic marriage. He became a great hero to Bible-believing Christians by refusing to back down when the homo-fascists demanded he retract pro-family statements in 2012. The mayors of Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia even pledged to deny Chick Fil A business permits in their cities (coincidentally the very penalty listed in Rev 13:17: “they could not buy or sell without the mark”), but the overwhelming nationwide wave of support that Chick Fil A received was one of the most encouraging events of the past decade.

This week, Dan Cathy took it all back by saying His stand for God was a business mistake. (After all, one cannot serve both God and Mammon: Matthew 6:24)

Nobody knows better than I do the price that one pays for standing up to the LGBT bullies. They are not only vindictive and relentless, they are also very creative in their methods of harassment. And there is an entire army of them ready to pounce on anyone who crosses them. I am absolutely certain that they tried their best to make Dan Cathy’s life a constant, living hell since 2012.

Just think of the nastiness of high-profile elections in the final weeks of a campaign when the mudslinging is the fiercest and the dirty tricks are the most cruel and invasive. Now multiply that by ten, take away the throngs of energized supporters rallying behind the candidate being attacked (so he has to face it alone), and stretch it out over months or even years. Throw in a few honey-tongued “hostage negotiators” pretending friendliness and concern (in this case Shane Windmeyer of “Campus Pride”), promising that all the pain will go away if you just compromise the truth. If you can imagine that you can get a glimpse of what it’s like to be targeted by the “gays.” The greater your threat to their agenda, the worse it gets.

It’s really hard to stand up to that kind of pressure, and I have sympathy for Mr. Cathy, but it’s nowhere close to the amount of pressure that Christians will face in the days of persecution that lie ahead of us. Persecution like many of our brothers and sisters in Muslim countries, for example, are already facing.

True, defending the plain truth that God limits sexuality to the confines of authentic marriage, and specially condemns homosexuality from Genesis to Revelation, is not the same as defending the deity of Christ and your allegiance to Him. One’s salvation does not hinge upon the perfection of one’s doctrine. But it is still very important to God.

I am convinced that God is using the homosexual issue as a test of believers all over the world. It’s like the “stress test” the central bankers are using to forecast which banks would fail in the event of an economic collapse. Except in this case God is testing us for what we will do in the coming moral and spiritual collapse. The Bible hasn’t changed, only the culture has changed, and believers are being “stress tested” to see whether they stand with Him or with the world on the things He says are true but which the world is pressing very hard to declare false.

God’s rebuke to Jeremiah when he complained about the power of the wicked should be ringing in our ears about now: “If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? If you fall down in a land of peace, How will you do in the thicket of the Jordan?” (Jeremiah 12:1-5)

The good thing about a stress test is that it gives people an opportunity to change their ways (repent) before the final exam or the big crash. God doesn’t care about Chick Fil A’s profit margins if they come at the expense of Dan Cathy’s willingness to stand up for the truth under pressure. What would it profit Mr. Cathy to gain the whole world (or a few more restaurants on college campuses), if his compromise of Biblical truth today makes him less able to resist the real Mark of the Beast tomorrow?

I’m not saying that Dan Cathy isn’t saved, but he has certainly failed the stress test, and failed the Bible-believing Christian remnant everywhere, by surrendering to the “gay” bullies. How long before we see Chick Fil A running “gay”-friendly commercials as penance for Cathy‘s “homophobia?”

Where is courage in Christendom? Where is the loyalty to Christ that once placed love for Hid Word above every other thing, including life itself? Why have we become so afraid of the opinions of men who hate God and His truth?

There are varying theological views about what the Mark of the Beast is, or will be, and which ones among us will face that choice of taking or rejecting it. Nevertheless, it stands as a symbol to all Christians everywhere as the choice for or against Christ when the sword is on your neck and to choose Christ means to die saved, or live condemned to hell. The stress test of pressure from “gay” bullies is not life or death, but it is an indicator of whether you have the faith and courage to choose Him over the things of this world. In my mind’s eye I used to see the Mark of the Beast as a black dot on the back of the hand. Now it looks more like a Chik Fil A sandwich. I’ll never buy another one, and I hope you won’t either.

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  • BrianTortorelli_com

    So, what was the context and full circumstances this quote comes from ? The title of this article is pretty inflammatory. I’ll be researching where Dan Cathy’s comment came from and what the rest of that interview was about. If he really is caving to the Gaystapo, I’ll be disappointed in him, too

    • thisoldspouse

      Even after the big blow up over the fake incident of “demeaning gay people” by his remarks, Cathy began scaling back donations to pro-family groups. He even met with some of the most virulently political homosexual groups to placate them with assurances that he would not support pro-family causes.

      Don’t be at all surprised is this new development is true.

      • BrianTortorelli_com

        Yep, read the comments and their context for myself. Cathy is guilty as charged. Disappointing.

        • thisoldspouse

          Can you post, or indicated, a source? I’m trying to find one that can’t be refuted by deniers.

        • Oscar

          So Cathy is “guilty as charged”.
          Does that mean he has he lost his salvation?
          Has he taken the Mark of the Beast?
          We should boycott Chik Fil A?

          We may not agree with his business decisions, think he caved to the gay extemists, or no longer buy his product.
          You are entirely appropriate in opining that that was disappointing.

          But when Lively started sending him to hell, and assigning him the biblical Mark of the Beast, he was WAY out of bounds. An honest Christian would distance himself from THAT KIND OF UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE.

          • Truth Offends

            In the 1st two sentences in his column “Dan Cathy Takes the Mark of the Beast”, Dr. Lively says, “That headline is not true. Dan Cathy of Chick Fil A has not (to my knowledge) taken the Mark of the Beast”. Later, Dr. Lively says, “I’m not saying that Dan Cathy isn’t saved.”

            Do you now still believe what Dr. Lively said is “unbiblical nonsense”?

    • Oscar

      “Dan Cathy takes the mark of the beast” was simply “inflammatory”, metal? How about biblically heretical, doctrinal insanity, and logically impossible?
      This article was so beyond the pale I can’t even imagine why it was allowed to appear with all the other fine Christian writers. It was so far out of bounds I found it hard to believe I just read it here. There are no words.

      • Truth Offends

        See my post above.
        What about Dr. Lively’s column do you find to be “so beyond the pale” and “so far out of bounds”?

  • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

    As we all know the world we live has turned upside down.
    What is good is now called evil. What is evil is now called
    good. God’s Words is now called “hate material” and talking
    about God’s laws is called “hate speech.” Lawlessness is
    increasing at every level. The wicked continue to push their
    evil upon us. A friend of mine and I have created a website
    that explains from God’s Word what is going on and where
    it’s all leading to….

    Our website is called: itshallcometopass at dot org

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      Spammer,you have been flagged.

      • Terry Lee

        Ray is not a spammer. He is a significant commentator in a number of online communities that we happen to share. He was just adding that he has created a website that neither sells or solicits anything, but informs as a continuation of this discussion. No need to flag him.

        • lather

          Can we flag him for being a fool?

          • LouiseCA

            But then you’d need to flag yourself.

          • BillTheCat45

            We can flag the lot of you for causing so much pain in the world based on myths and fairy tales written thousands of years ago by men with an agenda. Read “Zealot” and learn.

          • 19gundog43

            Please site the evidence for your baseless charge of myths and fairy tales. Seems the only fairies are trolling here,

        • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

          Thank you Terry.

          • David

            I probably often see things differently than you but I have never seen you post anything deserving of being flagged for any reason.

          • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

            Thank you Dave.

        • JJM123

          Humble’s profile is not that humble.

  • greg46107

    I agree with Mr. Tortorelli. What were the context and full circumstances of Mr. Cathy’s quote? I’m quite surprised this column would run without provided as much. Like Mr. Tortorelli, I’ll be doing my background check on this to determine what was said before drawing any conclusions.

    • Oscar

      Absolutely correct, greg. This author gave ONE VAGUE SUMMARY, of ONE SINGLE COMMENT made by the poor guy, and went from that to questioning his very salvation! Dan Cathy went from hero to zero, in ONE sentence here! From heading an admired Christian business, to again being boycotted (but this time by Christians, no less) in ONE article. Talk about shooting first and asking questions later!

      This is one of the strangest articles I have seen in a while, and is extremely disappointing to see something of this sort at Barbwire. There simply are no words to express my frustration over this ridiculous piece.

      And I won’t even get into Lively’s bizarre theology in his claim that a couple of city mayors threatening to not approve licenses for Chik
      Fil A franchises is the very penalty mentioned in Rev. 13. THAT attempt at making a connection, left me simply breathless. I pulled a mental muscle just trying to follow his theology there.

      I am only half-kidding in saying that I will be suing this man for crimes against common sense, against biblical doctrine, for turning on his Christian brother like a rabid wolf, for wasting five minutes of my life, and for….

      • Truth Offends

        “The greater your threat to their agenda, the worse it gets.” ~Scott Lively

        Note to Dr. Lively: You’re not entirely alone.

        • Oscar

          Huh???

        • hard2findu

          oh how cute, you quote a goat.
          I find it funny that you look into darkness and claim to see the light. oh well to the darkness you belong. The greatest trick the darkness has, is the hate you and your kind spew. You know not compassion or virtue, you do know fear. That fear is used on you and by you. I am sorry you are so afraid. but it is your problem not mine.

          • Truth Offends

            Your profile picture is vulgar and profane. Flagged.

      • Truth Offends

        What do you believe the “mark of the beast” is or will be?

        • Oscar

          I will not go into what I believe regarding that.
          But I WILL tell you that it does NOT apply to a fine Christian man like Dan Cathy.

  • Terry Lee

    I read a story by an obviously pro-homosexual writer from Forbes (because I thought it would be a business oriented article, and I was wrong it was basically an opinion piece). She even said that it was strictly a business mistake to air his politics as the mouth of the business. He still personally believes in traditional marriage. Is there a business realm and a religious realm? Hobby Lobby and a number of other Christian based businesses seem to think not. I think it is either foundational or not. Why not then just open up on Sunday then? The “do not work on the Sabbath” command is found in the same Bible as the injunction against homosexuality. Sunday would be one more day to do business when a lot of people are off work and in the malls. That sounds like a sound business practice that people have wanted them to do for a long time. Why not dispense with it as well? How can one practice in controversion to business practices be okay and the other not? I think that is the question Dan Cathy has to ask himself. Bullied or not.

    • Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

      The first day of the week isn’t the Sabbath, the last day of the week is. It hasn’t changed.

      • LouiseCA

        For some, Sunday is their Sabbath. That is Scriptural.

        • Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

          No it’s not. It’s a misapplication of Romans 14 if nothing else.

        • Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

          No, it’s not. What is scriptural is that there is no condemnation for those who choose to worship on one day or another. The Sabbath is the Sabbath, and no man’s will will ever change that.

      • Truth Offends

        God’s Word is clear and no matter how hard they try, people will not be able to rationalize away God’s forever enduring law of love.

    • Lamont Cranston

      Is it going to be such a safer, freer and cleaner world once all the Jesus trash is in heaven.

      • cipher

        Amen to that.

      • thisoldspouse

        You have no idea what Christians being taken out of this world heralds.

      • 19gundog43

        And the fools and pagans are left to suffer down here. Really smart buttwipe. Keep babbling you show how really stupid you are.LMAO!

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    “Like a trampled spring and a polluted well Is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.” (Proverbs 25:26)

  • TedHewlett

    This story article merely said that Dan Cathy had said his stand was a business mistake. That says nothing about whether he thought it was a mistake period. But from other sources it appears he has “caved in.” Disappointing.

  • climate3

    Are you kidding Mr. lively? U have to be!

  • ldenton

    I’m so glad you are perfect and have never failed any “stress tests” yourself. Christians just love to shoot their own, rather than concentrate on our true enemies. I’m more disappointed in this author than I am by Dan Cathy. Sad.

    • Halou

      In 1991 during his activism against gay rights in Oregon, Scott Lively was found guilty of assault and fined $31,000 in a court of law. By any definition, I would call that particular incident a stress test.
      Did Scott Lively pass the test or fail it when he assaulted a gay rights advocate and dragged them across a church floor?

      • ldenton

        You’ll have to ask him. I don’t believe in “stress tests” for fellow Christians. My grades are given to me by God. I’ll let Him decide. (According to my Bible, God uses a pass/fail system)

      • LouiseCA

        I suspect there’s a lot more to that story.
        Have you seen the vile actions of most supporters of homosexual special rights?

        • Halou

          Being one I would have to say yes. Such vile things, how dare I object to having my face broken!
          The way the term “special rights” gets thrown around as though they only apply to homosexuals, one could almost be forgiven for thinking US churches are burned to the ground every other Sunday during services.

        • thisoldspouse

          The lesbian in question invaded a meeting uninvited, and then tried to record the proceedings, without permission. She refused to leave when asked, and Scott Lively then proceeded to escort the trespasser out of the room. Her resistance caused her to strike a wall, which she convinced a court was “assault.”

        • David MacWilliams

          “Special rights” Don’t you you mean the SAME RIGHTS AS EVERYBODY ELSE? Are you really THAT obtuse?

      • Matthew T. Mason

        And what does that have to do with anything?

    • Oscar

      Exactly. If there is anyone we should be asking about his salvation, if there is anyone we should be condemning, if there is anyone we should be praying for, it would be Lively, not Dan Cathy. “Sad” hardly BEGINS to describe my disappointment in this author. But sad DOES describe my feeling about it appearing at Barbwire.

      • ldenton

        Agreed! To see the effect of Christian cannibalism, just read the comment posted directly under this by cipher. I hope the author of this article does. Perhaps he might learn something. One can hope, anyway.

      • Truth Offends

        You say that we should question Dr. Lively’s salvation and condemn him–which is the exact same thing that you (in several other posts on this page) strongly criticize Dr. Lively for supposedly doing w/ Dan Cathy. Hypocrisy much?

    • Oscar

      +1

  • lather

    Oh, so sad as the world changes and leaves the dark ages behind, including several of you. Oh well, there is still coke to boycott.

  • Roman

    I’m disappointed Dr. Lively has forgotten that the apostle Peter denied he knew Jesus, but wasn’t Peter loved and forgiven by his master? Shouldn’t this kind of judgement be left in the hands of God, the father? Only he knows what’s in Dan Cathy’s heart. Calling for a boycott of Chik-Fila and insinuating a sandwich from there is the “Mark of the Beast” seems a bit much when we should be praying for Mr. Cathy and be willing to forgive. Last time I checked, Jesus Christ came here for you and me – the sinners, not the righteous – or self righteous.

    • Dannyboy

      Homosexuals these days think they ought to rule the country and the world and dictate what others, including religions, believe and do. Never has there existed a more self-important, self-absorbed, self-righteous bunch of crybabies than homosexuals. A bunch of weeping crybabies who demand – demand! – that others agree with them and, sob, don’t “discriminate” against them, even though there is in reality very little of that. Homosexuals are in general very gainfully employed and well-educated. How did they get that way if they are so “discriminated” against? As if lots of employers are going around demanding to know what sexual orientation you have. Gays are no more discriminated against or bullied than are any other groups, like fat people, people with acne, religious people, nerds, old people, people with purple hair, “dumb blondes”, etc. In fact, homosexuals do a lot of discriminating themselves. So tired of you crybabies. Grow up.

      • cipher

        “Never has there existed a more self-important, self-absorbed, self-righteous bunch of crybabies than homosexuals Christians”. Fixed it for you.

        I’ve said it many times, and I’m sure I’ll say it many times more: fundamentalists have no sense of irony.

        • thisoldspouse

          Who goes running to mommy “state” when someone hurts homo’s wittle feewings?

          • cipher

            Why, we liberals, atheists and gays, of course – but we don’t get very far. We have to stand in line behind your corporate masters who are always up on Capitol Hill with their hands out.

            Meanwhile, your entire subculture is one big whinefest. Without your collective myth of victimization, you have nothing.

          • thisoldspouse

            Our Christian culture BUILT this nation. You have only benefited from the residual vestiges of accumulated cultural capital of our Christian heritage, but that capital is about to be used up.

            I don’t think you have given one iota of thought to what contributions a Christian world view has made to civilization. Nearly all hospitals, orphanages, benevolence ministries to the poor, etc. are church based.

            I suggest that you go live in a godless culture that despises and criminalizes Christianity, such as North Korea, for a couple of years before you spout off about how Christianity has inconvenienced you.

          • cipher

            Our Christian culture BUILT this nation.

            I should have said, “Without your collective myth of victimization and your revisionist history, you have nothing.”

          • Dooby Scooby

            Jesus told me he thinks you’re a dick.

          • Swizzle

            Victimization???????????????

            Christianity has and continues to be the most persecuted religion ever, followed right by Judaism. We are indirectly persecuted (in the sense of being the scapegoat and thrown under the bus) every day for our firm beliefs and convictions.

            You pretend to be smart with your sophisticated use of language to try to prove your Elitist Liberal agenda . . .

            BUT ALL I SEE IS MAN’S FOOLISHNESS

          • cipher

            Yes, I’m aware of how it works in fundie land. If you say something over and over – AND USE ALL CAPS – that makes it true.

            In any case, I wouldn’t worry about it. Soon enough, everyone you dislike will be in hell, while your Sky Daddy lets you watch. That will give you no end of pleasure.

          • hard2findu

            Oh poor christian, poor poor christian, you can blame the persecution of your religion on your religion. I am sure that there are many, like my self, who think that a god willing to kill every child, mother and father ect. on this planet by flood or fire or by what ever, is a sick and evil creature. The fact that you pray to such an evil creature says pretty much the same about you.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            And who flags posts as abusive or demands they get banned when ultra-conservatives can’t refute the facts?

          • thisoldspouse

            Private website. Obscene, abusive posts get deleted. Deal with it, baby.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Disagreement is not abusive.

          • thisoldspouse

            You don’t even know what abusive is. Your blindness is sad.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            As is your bigotry.

          • cipher

            Your blindness is sad.

            And again – no sense of irony.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Then disagree. Personal attacks, slander and the “we are winning and there’s nothing you can do about it” attitude is not disagreeing. It’s trolling.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            The fact that my freedom to marry the one I love is simple happiness, not trolling. The fact that your bigotry is dying is just a bonus.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            “Bigotry?” Just what are you talking about?

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            When you say that the governmental rights afforded by marriage should not apply to same sex couples, that is bigotry. The government should be fair. And don’t give me the lame shtick that gay people have the “right” to marry opposite sex people. That’s just ignorant. We want the same governmental benefits you straight people enjoy. That’s all. Anyone against that is bigotted.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            “When you say that the governmental rights afforded by marriage should not apply to same sex couples, that is bigotry.”

            The problem with this argument is how easily it could be applied to other types of marriage, such as polygamy, incest, adult/minor, human/animal, etc.

            Before you say anything about how only same-sex marriage and male/female marriage would and should be recognized, how do you know that? We KNOW there’s a push for polygamy, and just recently in the UK, a woman did indeed marry her dog. So where do you say, “No?” How do you close the barn door and lock it after the horses have already left?

            I say, you do it by keeping it the way God intended it: One man and one woman. And if you wish to call God a bigot for defining marriage as such, you are more than welcome to dispute it with Him, although I find it far more likely you’ll be on your knees begging for mercy just before your eternal abode changes from hell to the lake of fire.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Oh, Matthew, where to begin. I thought this ridiculous argument had been put to rest. Even GOP conservatives don’t use this excuse to discriminate anymore. Oh well, here goes. Please read and then join the rest of us in discussing actual issues.

            Homosexual marriage is no more likely to lead to such issues than heterosexual marriage. There is no logical link between gay marriage and pedophilia or polygamy. Marriage should be a bond between two consenting adults, and it doesn’t matter where these two people fall within the sexual spectrum.

            Child marriage, on the other hand, is usually not based on consent; the power dynamics are completely different than those in an adult relationship. Forcing a pre-teen girl to marry a man many times her age is clearly an infringement of her basic rights.

            Interestingly, the countries that are likely to have forced child marriages (Pakistan, for example) are also the ones most likely to oppose gay marriage.

            Gay marriage doesn’t lead to polygamy, either. Countries that have legalized gay marriage haven’t seen any rising demands of polygamous marriages. However, there are a lot of countries where polygamy is seen as completely normal, while gay marriage is forbidden.

            The marriage of three or more people is fundamentally different than the marriage of two people. Same-sex marriages have the same dyadic structure as heterosexual marriages. Therefore, legalizing polygamy is quite different than legalizing gay-marriage.

            If polygamy were legalized, a small number of high-status, wealthy men would end up with a disproportionate number of women (think of Mughal rulers and their harems). Now this might destabilize the structure of society.

            And unless people want to follow certain royal families and end up with genetic disorders and hemophilia, it’s best to stay away from incest and inbreeding. Polygamy and incest might create social instability, but gay marriages don’t have the same harmful effects. And neither is same-sex marriage a gateway to such matters.

            The most ridiculous claim, however, is the one about how gay marriage will lead to bestiality. I shouldn’t have to explain this, but, seriously, homosexual marriages are no more a precedent for marrying your dog than heterosexual marriage.

            Apart from the issue of consent (how can you be sure that your dog wants to marry you?), this argument is completely irrational and not convincing at all. It is simply an attempt to ridicule any argument made in favor of gay marriage, and can be safely dismissed.

            Some conservatives might claim that gay marriage will lead to social breakdown, but honestly, the only thing that will happen if gay marriage is legalized is that two people who love each other will be able to get married. The world won’t end.

          • Swizzle

            Society has already broken down due to this push for “equality”

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            And yet we go to work every day, make a living, go to church on Sunday, and praise God for the sunset. I don’t know about you, but calling God’s creation broken down is a bit presumptive……

          • Mad Madam Quinn

            Brilliant. I wish I could upvote this comment more.

          • cipher

            But just think of how much pleasure that will give you. I’m quite certain you’re getting aroused just thinking about it.

          • thisoldspouse

            The truth is that no one can “marry the person they love.”

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Get your head out of the sand. People marry the person they love every day. What are you smoking, spouse?

          • Swizzle

            ‘Tis not bigotry. There is a difference between bigotry and beliefs

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            When your beliefs prevent others from having the same governmental rights as you, this is discrimination and bigotry.

          • Swizzle

            It is when you use obscene words. Duh!

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            What obscene words?

          • hard2findu

            @this old grouse, if i had your address i would send a card to your wife.
            it would read,
            Your as stupid as your husband and thats because you married him LOL

          • Swizzle

            Zip it

          • hard2findu

            make me, or better yet have your god do it, in both cases you would FAIL.

          • Swizzle

            Amen

        • Swizzle

          Christians are the new scapegoat in society. Dannyboy was correct.

          And no, you messed up the sentence.

      • Dannyboy

        I have never seen a homosexual who can debate. By the way, Christians do not ask for special privileges.

        • cipher

          Oh, that is just priceless.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Ready when you are….

        • hard2findu

          Oh really, wow let me get some rope so you can pull your head out of your BUTT

    • Oscar

      Spot on, and amen, Roman.

      I was shocked and saddened to read this here. There is no excuse or defense or explanation for this article appearing at Barbwire.

      “Bizarre” is the only word I can find to describe this piece. “Wrong” doesn’t even come close.

      • Truth Offends

        What, exactly, do you find so “bizarre” and “wrong” about this column?

        • Oscar

          “Exactly” the following:

          1) Condemning a fine Christian man to hell,
          2) saying that he has taken the biblical Mark of the Beast, 3) calling for a boycott of Chik Fil A (this name by Christians, no less).

          And that’s just for starters. Lively’s article has no place at this fine site. The piece by LaBarbera on the same topic today was excellent. This one was embarassing and destructive to the cause of Christ. Not to mention “bizarre” and “wrong”.

  • BillTheCat45

    …SAID THE GUY CHARGED WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

    • 19gundog43

      Which is a badge of courage in this vile world. Bite me fool!!

    • Matthew T. Mason

      Slander. Flagged.

      • John

        Not slander. He’s being sued for crimes against gay ugandans. Liar. Flagged

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Dude, have you noticed the current state of your above post? People already know the full and true story and what the truth is. You aren’t telling it.

  • LouiseCA

    I read the remarks by Mr. Cathy. Unless I missed something, he appears to be simply regretting getting his company into the middle of the fray. Although, in reality, it might be best if he simply said no more on the subject, rather than causing the Christians who have been so supportive of him to now doubt the wisdom of their actions.
    Mr. Cathy is clearly a good man. I pray he will take care not to appear as double-minded. Stand strong and stay there. Within the love of God towards all, but stand. He seemed to be doing fine up until now.
    Better to keep quiet and to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.

    • thisoldspouse

      He didn’t get his company in the middle of the fray. He simply expressed his personal opinion in an interview, without invoking company policy in any way.

      • David

        on this we agree. He did nothing to begin with except to be honest.

    • Oscar

      Well done, ma’am, well done.

  • http://www.themarkofkane.blogspot.com/ Mark Kane

    ….and just think: you guys spent all that time and money lining up to eat those sandwiches and taking selfies with them (I’m talking to you, Sarah Palin).

    • thisoldspouse

      No, but Floyd Corkin is going to be mad while he rots in prison.

      • http://www.themarkofkane.blogspot.com/ Mark Kane

        That really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

  • OZ_in_OK

    Ah, when ‘God’s righteous people’ turn on each other… it’s far more delicious than a Chik-Fil-A sandwich.

  • kanehau

    Religion is only for the terminally stupid, or the willingly ignorant. Which one are you Mr. Deadly?

    • thisoldspouse

      You have a religion whether you realize it or not.

      So don’t you feel stupid now?

      • kanehau

        Religion is a choice. So no… I reject all gods and all religion. So no, I don’t feel stupid. Perhaps you were looking in a mirror.

        • thisoldspouse

          You’re religion is virulent hatred against God. If you didn’t believe in God, you would be indifferent to him. Since you make open, violent war against Him, you declare your religion loudly.

          • kanehau

            Don’t get me wrong – I was once very religions. My father was a (non-fundamentailst) minister, and very good (but open minded about things like science, etc).

            However, I studied and became a hard-core scientist (and work for places that ponder things like how universes can come into being) – and it became clear that nothing we have ever discovered about our universe requires a deity to explain (and yes, I can go on for great lengths as to universe forming hypothesis).

            That said, you are free to be religious, or not – it doesn’t bother me one way or the other. What bothers me is when religion tries to dictate the life of everyone (and Mr Lively does nothing to forward christian love and tolerance, and everything to further hatred).

            However, I suggest you also look up the word atheist so you can understand that it is not a religion. All it is, is a non-belief in any gods, deities, etc.

            And interestingly, you are almost an atheist yourself. I’m sure you reject other religions, and gods, such as Zeus, Odin, the Hindu gods, etc… So do I. See? The only difference is, I take it one more god than you do.

            Considering there are over 10,000 recorded gods in human history, the fact that I include 1 more than you, isn’t all that much.

            Funny thing is, the majority of those gods preceded christianity.

  • DavidRJC

    Dear Mr. Lively,
    Since you are already a regular visitor and have been so influential in getting the “Imprison the Gays” legislation passed and signed in Uganda, and because there are no Chik fil As there, why not remove yourself permanently from our shores where you and your ilk are (as every national poll attests) less and less welcome and go somewhere where you do not have to even contemplate eating a chik fil A sandwich and the people might actually care what you think.
    If not Uganda, how about Russia, or Pakistan, or Afghanistan, or Bangladesh or Belize?

    • thisoldspouse

      Governor Chomo, is that you?

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        I knew it! thisoldspouse is Lively’s pseudonym. Nailed you!

        • thisoldspouse

          Hardly, but I am honored by the comparison.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Wow. Now it all makes sense. I wish I could see your face when gay marriage is made legal in this entire country.

  • James

    Unless Scott Lively wrote this pronouncement with a quill and homemade ink, he’s supporting companies that support gay rights, which I suppose must mean he’s taking the mark of the beast, going to hell, etc.

  • Old Salt

    God doesn’t test us…Satan is the one who tempts us and places sin before us and we either choose Gods way and trust him to give us the strenght to resist, or we don’t. In fact you won’t fine the word “test” in the King James, so where people get this, God tests us idea, I don’t know. The bible tells us that God is a God of love and quite frankly I’d be a little confused as to whether I’d want to trust a god who plays games testing me…that kind of thinking is from the pit. If there’s a “tester”, it’s Satan because he’s the one who is the accuser of the brethran, throwing “tests” in our path and if we fail, he can point his finger at us, chiding God for loving us when we constantly forsake him. Read the book of Job and see who the culprit is.

    • Oscar

      Sorry, salt, but you have confused two different things.

      The Bible is clear about this matter :
      Satan TEMPTS us, in his effort to wreck and destroy us.
      God TESTS us, in His effort to prove and refine us.

  • Richard

    This Lively fellow actually makes a living trying to bring harm to gay American Citizens and their families. Such a sad waste of a life.

    • http://KGOV.com Bob Enyart

      No, I like that! Richard, we should harm the progress of those who would replace morality with their perversion, for the same people would destroy God, given the power, to vindicate themselves.

  • David

    I think this article is just another indication at how lost and depraved Scott Lively really is. Lively doesn’t defend anything he attacks with vicious lies and ugly hate. One can be against homosexual behavior and the aggressiveness of some of the LGBT activists while still showing the love and grace of God. There is none of that in Lively’s vile world. Cathy did nothing wrong.

    • thisoldspouse

      A depraved homosexual calls Lively depraved?!! LOL!!!!!

      • Oscar

        Actually, spouse, in this one instance, I take the side of the homosexual against this “Christian brother”, but for completely different reasons, of course, than David has.

        I wanted to support Lively and went into it trying to agree with his position, but after reading this bizarre article, I find I cannot. He was WAY out of bounds in his brutal condemnation of Dan Cathy, who must be now asking himself, “With (Christian Brothers) friends like these, who needs enemies?” The poor guy may be now be considering going to the dark side, if this is how “his” own side treats him.

        Lively was simply beyond the pale here, and there is no way any honest believer should support him in his horrid treatment of this fine Christian man. I’ve heard about Christian circular firing squads and shooting the wounded, but now I’ve actually seen it in action.

        I get your indignation that a practicing homosexual dares to condemn a moral person, and I completely agree with your outrage. But the fact remains, spouse, that in THIS case, David is right (although for all the wrong reasons), and Lively is wrong (for all the right reasons). Never thought I’d find myself saying something like that, but there it is.

        • Truth Offends

          What, exactly, do you find so “bizarre,” “beyond the pale,” and “wrong” about this column?
          What, exactly, did Dr. Lively say that you find to be “horrid treatment” and “brutal condemnation” of Cathy–that you find to be similar to a “Christian firing squad shooting the wounded”?
          What, exactly, did Dr. Lively say that makes you believe it could cause Dan Cathy to “consider going to the dark side”?

          • Oscar

            Asked and answered.

        • thisoldspouse

          You don’t find capitulation appalling?

          Then, I’d have to ask whose side you are on.

          • Oscar

            Yes, I do.

            And I find condemning a fine Christian man, (who I am not worthy to tie his shoes) to the eternal flames of hell equally appalling.

            Talking about the Mark of the Beast applying to him equally appalling.

            Calling for a boycott of Chik Fil A by CHRISTIANS equally appalling.

            Questioning a Christian who disagrees with him what side he’s on, equally appalling.

            Next question?

  • fireandrain

    Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church is dead, but he lives on in Scott Lively, who is far worse. Phelps was just an annoyance, but Lively is directly responsible for creating a climate – especially in Russia and Africa – that has caused gays to be beaten and murdered. Matt Barber, whose site this is, is a willing accomplice. These people are dangerous religious fanatics. Lively will be convicted of crimes against humanity and have a lot of time to think about his hate filled life in jail.

  • 19gundog43

    What a bunch of vile mindless trolls spewing hate. Ooops sorry leftist homos cannot hate just Christians. Butt wipes!!

  • David MacWilliams

    Fred Phelps? Is that you? They said you were dead!

  • cipher

    It’s really hard to stand up to that kind of pressure, and I have sympathy for Mr. Cathy… Now it looks more like a Chik Fil A sandwich. I’ll never buy another one, and I hope you won’t either.

    Yes… this must be the “Christian charity” I keep hearing about.

    I so love it when you people eat your own. Please continue to turn on one another while the rest of us get on with the business of attempting to move civilization forward.

  • gr0o

    Tired old bigot says what?

  • hard2findu

    I guess hate tastes like chicken

  • hard2findu

    Freedom of religion, is freedom from your religion. Deal with it or be forgotten. Your choice

  • Truth Offends

    To those reading the comments to this column by Scott Lively:
    The poster “Oscar” offers especially harsh criticism of Scott Lively. But, as you read Oscar’s comments, keep in mind that he/she is not being objective. In one of his/her posts on this page, Oscar tells us that he/she finds himself/herself “unworthy to tie Dan Cathy’s shoes”!

    PS: In his column, Scott Lively does NOT say that Dan Cathy actually “took the mark of the beast” and he does not “condemn any Christian to hell” (as Oscar repeatedly claims).

  • aCultureWarrior

    We Christians went all out to defend Dan Cathy, both in internet forums and by spending our hard earned money at his restaurants. I’m with you Pastor Lively, not one red cent of this Christian conservative’s money will to go towards Chick Fil A again (in fact I’m thinking of turning in my “Eat at Chick Fil A” t-shirt for a Phil Robertson/Duck Dynasty one). We’ll see how loyal Cathy’s new friends are (does NAMBLA and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence eat chicken sandwiches?).

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