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Nobody is ‘Born That Way,’ ‘Gay’ Historians Say

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By David Benkof

Virtually no serious person disputes that in our society, people generally experience their gay or straight orientations as unchosen and unchangeable. But the LGBT community goes further, portraying itself as a naturally arising subset of every human population, with homosexuality being etched into some people’s DNA.

Are gays indeed born that way? The question has immense political, social, and cultural repercussions. For example, some of the debate over applying the Constitution’s equal protection clause to gays and lesbians focuses on whether gayness is an inborn characteristic. And the major argument gays and lesbians have made for religious affirmation has been, “God made me this way.”

Thus, if it’s proven sexual orientations are not innate, much of the scaffolding upon which today’s LGBT movement has been built would begin to crumble. Given the stakes, most gays and lesbians are dismissive or hostile toward anyone who doesn’t think being gay is an essential, natural characteristic of some members of the human race.

But a surprising group of people doesn’t think that – namely, scholars of gay history and anthropology. They’re almost all LGBT themselves, and they have decisively shown that gayness is a product of Western society originating about 150 years ago.

Using documents and field studies, these intrepid social scientists have examined the evidence of homosexuality in other times and cultures to see how the gay minority fared. But they’ve come up empty. Sure, there’s substantial evidence of both discreet and open same-sex love and sex in pre-modern times. But no society before the 19th century had a gay minority or even discernibly gay-oriented individuals.

(There weren’t straight people, either. Only our society believes people are oriented in just one direction, as gay history pioneer Jonathan Ned Katz, formerly of Yale, explained in his book The Invention of Heterosexuality.)

According to the experts on homosexuality across centuries and continents, being gay is a relatively recent social construction. Few scholars with advanced degrees in anthropology or history who concentrate on homosexuality believe gays have existed in any cultures before or outside ours, much less in all cultures. These professors work closely with an ever-growing body of knowledge that directly contradicts “born that way” ideology.

Please don’t confuse my points with the amateur arguments of people like Brandon Ambrosino. The subtle, counter-intuitive academic case that being gay is a social construction relies on abundant studies built out of actual data from leading scholars at major universities. Someone who quotes a few lines from Foucault and then declares that people choose their sexual orientations is making a mockery of this serious, vital subject.

Sexual orientations cannot be innate

Journalists trumpet every biological study that even hints that gayness and straightness might be hard-wired, but they show little interest in the abundant social-science research showing that sexual orientation cannot be innate. The scholars I interviewed for this essay  were variously dismayed or appalled by this trend.

For example, historian Dr. Martin Duberman, founder of the Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies, said “no good scientific work establishes that people are born gay or straight.” And cultural anthropologist Dr. Esther Newton (University of Michigan) called one study linking sexual orientation to biological traits ludicrous: “Any anthropologist who has looked cross-culturally (knows) it’s impossible that that’s true, because sexuality is structured in such different ways in different cultures.”

While biology certainly plays a role in sexual behavior, no “gay gene” has been found, and whatever natural-science data exists for inborn sexual orientations is preliminary and disputed. So to date, the totality of the scholarly research on homosexuality indicates gayness is much more socio-cultural than biological.

Historical perspectives

Knowing about the phantom gay past when everyone else is certain gayness has always existed can be frustrating. Gay history professor Dr. John D’Emilio (University of Illinois-Chicago) once lamented that even while gay historical scholarship accepts the “core assumptions” of the social-construction idea, “the essentialist notion that gays constitute a distinct minority of people different in some inherent way has more credibility in American society than ever before.”

Today’s categories for sexuality correspond poorly with times past. Dr. Duberman put it this way: “Were people always either gay or straight? The answer to that is a decided no.” Instead, people from other eras who slept with members of their own gender “haven’t viewed that as something exclusive and therefore something that defines them as a different category of human being.”

Many popular attempts to portray an age-old history of gayness start with ancient Greece. We do have much documentation — the poetry of Sappho, Greek vases depicting men in flagrante – that same-sex relationships and intercourse were common in that culture.

But scholars don’t think the ancient Greeks had a gay minority. Rather, that civilization thought homosexuality was something anyone could enjoy. In addition to a wife, elite men were expected to take a younger male as an apprentice-lover, with prescribed bedroom roles. The system was so different from ours that to describe specific ancient Greeks as gay or straight would show profound disrespect for their experiences, and violate the cardinal historical rule against looking at the past through present-colored lenses.

Another example in which evidence of same-sex relations has been misinterpreted to depict a gay minority involves 18th-century upper-class female romantic friendships. Even those women who probably had genital contact with each other in that context thought about sex, gender, and intimacy in such culturally specific ways that scholars have spurned the viewpoint (nearly universal among non-scholars) that any two females who wrote each other love letters and shared a bed were obviously lesbians.

Anthropological perspectives

LGBT anthropologists have also found no gay minorities in their studies of cultures around the world. In fact, Dr. Newton noted in an essay that her field has “no essentialist position on sexuality, no notion that people are born with sexual orientations. The evidence, fragmentary as it is, all points the other way.” Thus, Dr. Newton wrote, “Western lesbian and gay anthropologists, for the most part, have not run around the world looking for other lesbians and gay men.”

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  • Zohydro

    I’ve long held the opinion that the modern “gay” subculture and the modern gay rights movement directly originated with the pederastic uranian literary movement of the late 19th Century.

    The modern concept of homosexuality in all its manifestations (including “‘transgenderism”) is a “product”—an artifical construct of academia and the artistic classes, not a true sociological phenomenon nor a condition of humanity!

    Now, pederasty may be a thing, given that in every single culture that famously tolerated “homosexuality”, from the Classical Greece on down to the Ottoman Turkish Empire, pederasty (or “intergenerational intimacy”) was the normative, idealised expression of homosexual eroticism…

    • vorpal

      Human contracts and marriages are all artificial constructs, though, as it were, and the modern concept of homosexuality, having sprung from humans, is absolutely a sociological phenomenon by the definition of sociology itself.

      • Zohydro

        No… The biology of male and female, of husband and wife, of father and mother transcend culture and ideology. The “science is settled here with that one, mate!

        • vorpal

          I understand what you are saying, but – at the same time – the fact exists that there are people out there who are exclusively same-sex attracted and experience no opposite-sex attraction. That is a fact, not an opinion.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    For any homosexual to claim he was born homosexual is tantamount to a rapist or murderer claiming the same thing. According ton Leviticus 20:13, homosexuality is a capital crime. Consequently, no one is homosexual before he commits the act of homosexuality anymore than someone is a murder before he murders or a rapist before he rapes.

    • Oscar

      Correct. To have a same-sex attraction, maybe. But guilty of something for being tempted to do it, no. Good point, Ted.
      And IF SSA is one day found to be innate (that people are born with those tendencies) that changes absolutely nothing. God’s view will still stand. His morality will still be in place. “Born that way” is no license to do anything.
      To FALL into temptation is what makes it sin. Temptation is not sin. JESUS was tempted.

      • vorpal

        And that is fine. If you think that SSA is against the will of your god, then don’t engage in homosexual acts. For those of us who have never known OSA and only known SSA and don’t believe in your god, stop trying to apply your moral standard to us. There is no valid reason from a non-religious perspective to prevent same-sex couples from uniting under law, and the law is not based in religion.

        • Zohydro

          Law is based on on a common-sense-based consensus on a morality which comes from a righteous heart… Religion isn’t an absolute prerequisite, but it works for many!

          • thisoldspouse

            The rash of deleterious venereal diseases endemic in this population is enough, apart from a Christian world view, to proscribe this behavior with laws.

        • Pax Humana

          vorpal, if that is truly indeed the case, then you need to quit trying to apply YOUR amoral standards on people that do not want or need them in their lives!

  • barbaro70

    The discussion about how people are born is useless, because original sin explains all of the problems that humanity brings on itself, and we thank God for His Redemption of us, the purification of Baptism, and other things that the different denominations go through for forgiveness. BUT what does have to be said, is that homosexuality and homosexuals are sterile; that sterility drives homosexuals to pervert the intimate activities of normal people, and instead of producing what normal people produce, babies, their perversions produce and spread disease, other sicknesses, unhappiness, frustration, anger, suicide, early death. God, or evolution as some prefer, designed the genitals for mutuality, for complementarity–IT IS OBVIOUS. A departure from mutuality and complementarity in this fundamental aspect of human existence produces terrible consequences.

    • John

      yawn…………

      • barbaro70

        Oh, yes indeed: John is flaunting his homosexual denial syndrome, a syndrome that has killed thousands and thousands of homosexuals, with the numbers properly documented, but John´s desires overwhelm him and he pretends that he doesn´t care. Of course, there are the radical homosexuals in San Fransicko who actually do what is needed, several partners a night in the sick, ugly, pathetic attempts to imitate normal people in their intimacy, to actually contract one or more of the homosexual diseases, and, of course, they don´t last long. And it is the US taxpayer who pays for the health messes that homosexuals produce.

        • vorpal

          With my computer programming background, I’m pretty sure that I could write an algorithm that could produce a barbaro70 response to any given post. Throw in a few SAN FRANSICKOs, some HOMOSEXUAL STERILITYs, and some HOMOSEXUAL MASTERs and FRUSTRATIONs and you’d be good to go!

          If you are worried about health messes and taxation, do some ACTUAL good: go to the junk food aisle of your local supermarket and chase people from it. They will flee from your psychosis, I assure you.

          • barbaro70

            you can write that algorithm, not an easy job, or live in peace by stopping to attempt to defend the indefensible–the nonsense that everyone, that is EVERYONE, knows is pathetic, desperate, suicidal behavior

            as to what we are worried about and your recommendation for how we should spend our time, we don´t need recommendations from confused homosexuals

            we are very busy as it is

          • vorpal

            You sure seem busy, with all your spare time to demonize homosexuals online.

          • barbaro70

            you refuse to understand: our job, among others, is to expose the basis for the homosexual problem, the homosexual whining for special rights

            informing, reminding folks about the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality and the resulting suicidal perversion of attempts to imitate normal people in their intimacy do not constitute demonizing

            just reminding so that they don´t let their sympathy for minorities and such lib/lefty nonsense get in the way of the clear thinking that will let society return to normalcy with the homosexuals then showing discretion, modesty

          • vorpal

            You’re so radically nutso that no one believes you, though, except your radically nutso little buddies. You’re essentially mentally masturbating.

          • barbaro70

            You might be right, vorpal, but we´ll take our chances. On the other hand, we have information that you do not, yet, about the great effect we are having in informing that the basic aspect of the homosexual problem has to be brought up continually in order to fix the homosexual problem. Anyway, that is not the subject; rather it is the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals and the pathetic and failed efforts to imitate normal people as a result of that sterility, but produce, not life, but death.

          • vorpal

            barbs: Is there anything left for you to say about so-called homosexual sterility? I think you have homosexual sterility on the brain.

            Imaginary god, imaginary problems, imaginary power trip, imaginary this and that. Time to grow up already.

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpal: For your sake, you should be clear that we do not have homosexual sterility on the brain, BUT WE DO, DO INDEED, HAVE THE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEMS THAT YOUR HOMOSEXUALITY STERILITY PRODUCES, THE PRODUCTION AND SPREADING OF SICKNESS AND THE REALTED SOCIAL COSTS, NOT TO MENTION THE UNBEARABLE, THE UNJUSTIFIABLE HOMOSEXUAL WHINING.

            Don´t flatter yourself, there is nothing about your pathetic life that dominates us, noting absolutely.

          • vorpal

            There is a collective, Barbaro.
            Who’s mind is incredibly narrow.
            Homo sterility on the brain
            Certifiably insane
            And evil right down to the marrow.

          • barbaro70

            dont flatter yourself, vorpie: we dont have homo sterility on the brain–rather we have the sickness, the death, the filth that your homo perversions produce and spread, AND THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS TO CLEAN UP YOUR FILTHY MESSES

          • vorpal

            When have I ever whined to you about my problems? Indeed, my life is mostly problem-free: any whining on my part would be largely dismissible as first-world white person problems.

            How about I promise not to spread any sickness and if I do, I’ll absorb the related social costs, and I won’t whine, and we can call it a day? Then maybe you can try and do your best to say five sentences without including:
            1. Braying about homosexual sterility,
            2. Yowling about the homosexual problem,
            3. An extended commentary on San Fransicko,
            4. Obama-bashing, and
            5. Arbitrary additions of “-ist” on the end of perfectly good words to make nonsense, e.g. “homosexualist”.

            Deal, babes?

          • John Resch

            Ok you have a serious problem. All you talk about is the sterility of us gays and that all we do is roll around in feces. That’s all you think about when you think of gays? Wow.
            Let’s get a couple of things straight. Gays are not sterile, we have little tadpoles swimming in there same as you do.
            However I am glad that I am gay since I don’t have to worry about getting someone pregnant since I don’t want kids. Some gays want kids, some don’t and those that do will find a way to out their tadpoles to use thru a surrogate.
            Now, as far as your feces comment that’s just gross. First off not all of us do anal, second the few times I do it I make sure it’s very clean and there is nothing gross involved. Yes, there is a very small % of the community that does not have a problem with that however that exists among straights also. But comment after comment you keep saying us gays just roll around in feces when that is the the furthest from the truth. Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you just make this stuff up? Because there is no truth to it. So please stop with your gays are sterile and roll around in feces nonsense. If you have nothing of value to add to the conversation and just outright lies please stop… You are making yourself look pretty ignorant. Just stop it already.

          • John

            Busy making yourselves look bad

          • barbaro70

            busy helping folks understand the basis for the homosexual problem: the sterility of homosexuals and their way of life, homosexuality and the ensuing frustration which drives them to commit unhealthy and fatal activities such as vorpie´s love of rolling around in other people´s feces and his love of anal penetration

            of course homosexuals, inspired by their homosexualist masters, would prefer that their pathetic, disease ridden lives not be exposed

            of course

          • John

            Not exposed? Homosexuals are out and proud! You seem to have a fecal fetish? How’s that going for you? I bet you just love going at it with your partner, dont ya?? You’re not fooling anyone big boy and should immediately come out of the closet!

          • barbaro70

            no, quite a few homosexuals are still modest, still discreet

            even the homosexuals who appear to be proud are only trying to appear normal to themselves, to their organs that in normal people are called sex organs, to their buddies´ rear ends and penises, and to normal people, but they know that their pathetic and failed attempts to imitate normal people in their sexual activities fail totally and only produce and spread disease and early death

            as to a fetish, YES! we admit that we have a fetish but not a fecal fetish–rather our fetish is with the homosexual disease, homosexual sickness, homosexual whining, and general mess that homosexuals cause, all of which cost taxpayers a lot of money

            we were wondering how long it would take some homosexual or homosexualist fool to accuse us of being self hating as you are attempting, but failing again, to do

            and the self hate that you are referring to contradicts your statement about homosexuals being out and proud

            in fact, the self hate is a big part of the high rate of suicide among homosexuals–not among the homosexuals´ homosexualist masters, no, they are comfortable in their political offices egging on the homosexuals to destroy marriage and the family, they do live their full life expectancy we can suppose, but homosexuals, no: ka-BLAM!

          • John

            …..still….laughing….please…….stop…………LOL!

          • barbaro70

            johnny boy/girl/it, forcing yourself to laugh yourself to death is probably better than dying from the homosexual diseases, but maybe not

            in any case, we know that you know, and the whole world is learning that the basis for the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality, and homosexuals try to justify their freakishness by thinking that it is an imitation, though it is not, of what normal people do in their intimacy

            that sterility cannot produce babies, but it does, does indeed, produce and spread disease, and early death for the homosexuals who laugh about their perverted practices

          • John

            anything else? you are a laugh a minute…LOL!!!!

          • barbaro70

            Johnny boy/girl/it, we´ve said it all. The basis for the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality, which in turn produces the frustration of not being able to do what normal people do in their intimacy, and in their failed attempts to imitate normal people, kill themselves. The eyes and common sense, which is, tell humanity that what are sex organs in normal people, were made for complementary use and anything else results in more frustration, desperation, sickness, disease, shortened life span for homosexuals.

          • John

            can’t…….stop…….laughing……HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

          • barbaro70

            you cant stop laughing now, but you will stop when the homosexual diseases assault you

            when the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals disallows normal people from taking homosexuals and their homosexualist masters seriously–something already happening

          • John

            You’re a laugh a minute! Where on earth do you get your material? It’s classic! Keep on typing babe.

          • barbaro70

            you do not have to tell us to keep on communicating, and this is only a small part of our efforts, that the homosexual problem comes from the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals, the frustration at not being able to reproduce–this is very important work

            as to where we get our material, you and everyone knows that homosexuals are frustrated in their sterility, that homosexuality produces nothing, is empty, sad, disgusting
            but political correctness has inhibited folks from speaking frankly about the homosexual sterility as the basis for the homosexual problem

            now that the the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality can be discussed openly, we can take positive and concrete measures to get back to where the 1% do not order the 99% to provide special rights

          • vorpal

            Cuckoo bananas!

          • vorpal

            Who is this “everyone” that “knows” that “homosexuals are frustrated in their sterility”? I’m thinking that this is a delusion outside of the barbaro70 collective. Well over half the country now supports marriage equality. Crawl back into your stone age caverns.

          • John

            ROTFLMAO!!!!

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I have never met anyone spouting such hilarious nonsense. I now know why John is laughing! Say something else! This is great!!!

          • barbaro70

            hey, only: johnny boy/girl/it is not laughing, only pretending to

            he, and all homosexuals, along with their homosexualist masters, know that the basis for the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality, and that produces frustration in homosexuals that they cannot be like normal people, so they attempt to imitate normal people in their sex, and die trying

            but as to your request to say something else, there is nothing else to say, it is very simple, there is nothing new: homosexuals are sterile and everyone knows that God, or evolution if you prefer, designed what in normal people are called genitals for complementary use, mutually pleasing use, not for the brutality of homosexual perversions

          • vorpal

            You have a lot of time on your hands, and a lot of homosexuality on your mind.

          • barbaro70

            Vorpal, you are quite wrong: we don´t have a lot of homosexuality on our minds; RATHER, and pay attention, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE HOMOSEXUAL FILTH, HOMOSEXUAL SICKNESS, TAXPAYER COSTS AS A RESULT OF HOMOSEXUALS, AND A LOT OF HOW THE AMORAL HOMOSEXUAL PERVERSIONS ARE FLAUNTED AND HOW THEY AFFECT THE REST OF SOCIETY, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, ON OUR MINDS. Got it? That´s what is on our minds. Thanks for asking.

          • vorpal

            Oh dear. Here we go again with more non….

            WE INTERRUPT THIS HOMOSEXUAL TO BRING YOU THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE. BARBARO70 COLLECTIVE, WE ARE NOT AMUSED WITH YOUR ANTICS. CEASE NOW, OR WHEN THE HOMOSEXUAL INVASION IS COMPLETE, WE WILL REPURPOSE YOU AND MAKE YOU OVER. WE HAVE MOUNTAINS OF RAINBOW GLITTER AND ARE NOT AFRAID TO USE IT.

            -THE HOMOSEXUALIST MASTERS

            …sense. Try saying something new with actual content and meaning.

          • vorpal

            Oh, Babs… it’s obvious how much you love us charming little homosexuals and our homosexualist masters.. You would be eternally bored without us. You owe us a debt of gratitude. We accept cash, check or money order. Thank you for your capitulation.

          • barbaro70

            vorpie, your attempt at flip doesnt work: your homosexual sickness is killing you and your homosexual friends, the stats are very clear about that

          • vorpal

            HOMOSEXUAL MASTERS!
            HOMOSEXUAL FRUSTRATION!
            HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY!
            HOMOSEXUAL DISEASE!
            HOMOSEXUAL FECES!
            HOMOSEXUAL DESPERATION!
            HOMOSEXUAL BRUTALITY!
            Did I forget any there?

          • barbaro70

            Vorpal, we would love to think that you are catching on, but since you are laconic in this post, we don´t really know what your intention is in acknowledging some of the aspects of the homosexual problem.

          • CrissCross

            The homosexual problem? What problem?
            And what makes you feel you have an obligation or a right to take responsibility for whatever this mythical problem is?
            Who appointed you the orientation police.

          • barbaro70

            hey, Criss: the homosexual problem refers to the 1% telling the 99% to, not tolerate, not accept, but admire the filthy homosexual practices that they practice because of the homosexual sterility, which causes them to attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy and produce, not life, but death

            the homosexual problem also involves demanding special rights, such as marriage, which is, of course, impossible regardless of what the lib/lefty legislatures and the lib/lefty judges say, and in general turn the country upside down, including the destruction of marriage and the family

            we don´t have to justify our involvement in fixing the homosexual problem to you–common sense, which is, works just fine

            we appointed ourselves to be the fixers of the homosexual problem, along with many others, if that is what you mean by orientation police

            glad you asked

          • vorpal

            People used to say that interracial marriage was impossible. History proved them wrong. You are being proven wrong now about your claim that same-sex marriage is impossible. It’s happening all over.

          • barbaro70

            what makes you feel you have an obligation or a right to take responsibility for looking into this

            who appointed you to ask us about this

          • vorpal

            Sorry for my laconicism. I meant to be sardonic.

          • barbaro70

            whatever you meant to be doesnt matter: it was the product of a freak

          • John Resch

            So to gay men cannot produce a child the natural way, so what, that does not make us sterile.

    • vorpal

      There we have it, folks. Barbaro is an original sin believing Christian. Please, barbaro, tell us how old you think the Earth is.

      • barbaro70

        There we have it folks! And if that is true, exactly how does our underlying philosophy affect the homosexual problem, where homosexuals, being sterile, pathetically attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy and instead of producing babies produce and spread disease and die early? So you can continue to worry about our philosophy and attempt to distract from the problem, but your nonsense cannot distract us from working on fixing the homosexual whining.

        • vorpal

          Par for the course from you. You speak to an imaginary, nonexistent studio audience, flinging your rhetoric like the filth that you are, unable to answer a question.

          • barbaro70

            vorpie, Barbwire is extensively read and we have concrete feedback that our posts are widely read with some very good effect, otherwise, that is OTHERWISE we would not invest two seconds on Barbwire

          • John

            soooooo sleeeeeeeepppyyyy noooooowwwwwwww…..zzzzzzzzzzzz

          • barbaro70

            Yes, John, we know that homosexuals want to ignore reality, Again, John, you and your friend vorpal attempt to telll us that you go to sleep when someone tries to inform other folks about the basis for the homosexual problem, the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals, but we know better–the reason for the high rate of suicides among homosexuals is precisely because we never stop reminding them that they do the wrong things to try to imitate normal people in their intimacy.

          • John

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • barbaro70

            John, we know that you are not asleep, we know that you are very much aware of the problems that homosexuality and homosexualism cause. You can try to pretend, but it doesn´t work.

          • John

            your posts are boring, ridiculous, full of falsehoods. No probs with homosexuality, just probs with those like yourself……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • barbaro70

            oh, you woke up? no, you were never really asleep, try as you might to convince us of that

            homosexuals live in absolute fear that their perverted lives are going to catch up with them, the problems of not accepting reality are going to catch up with them

            the world knows about the homosexual problems and know that you know

          • John

            *crickets chirping*

          • barbaro70

            crickets may chirp but they don´t get in the way of homosexuals´ worrying about when reality will catch up to them

          • John

            No worries here. Dont worry…be happy!

          • barbaro70

            John, we know that the sterility of homosexuality and of homosexuals and the consequent pathetic attempts to imitate normal people drive homosexuals to practices that do not produce what normal people produce, babies, but only disease and sickness and early death and that homosexuals lived worried about when those consequences are going to show up in them. Yes, it is well known.

            As to whether we are happy or not, yes, we are Happy and for very Good Reasons.

          • John

            and…….still……….laughing….out….loud……………

          • barbaro70

            Yes, John, delusion governs people´s psyche when, as in the case of homosexuals wanting so badly to appear normal, knowing that they are not normal, commit perversions that kill, as documented thoroughly. Force yourself to laugh yourself to death, or play Russian Roulette with homosexual practices, or BOOM! Whichever you prefer.

          • John

            still laughing out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • barbaro70

            nah, you´re not laughing, you know that we know what the homosexual problem consists of, sterility

            simple, homosexuals cant do what normal folks do but kill themselves trying and failing in imitation

          • John

            you dont have the slightest idea what sterility means, go away now as you’re already the laughing stock of this entire board…LOL…LOL…LOL

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            You make Jesus sad with your hate.

          • barbaro70

            Mr. OnlyMyHumbleOpinion: You may be correct that we make Jesus sad with our factual information about sterile homosexuals and sterile homosexuality. But that is not the subject of the thread; rather it is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality, which produces frustration in failed attempts to imitate normal folks in their intimacy, to appear normal to themselves, to their homosexual partners, to normal people. And instead of producing what normal people produce, they only produce and spread disease and then die about 20 years early. Don´t distract, stay on subject, or do whatever you want but this kind of a post shows that you have no way to defend the indefensible.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Do you have any gay friends or family members?

          • barbaro70

            hey, only: the subject is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality and how that makes homosexuals try, but fail, to imitate normal people in their intimacy

            the ancillary subject is the purpose of what in normal people are called genitals, meaning mutuality, complementarity

            when we participate in a post about our friends and family members we might participate

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I have heard about this before. You are a chat-bot – a computer program meant to “appear” like a person in a chat room. You keep just copy and pasting the same thing over and over and over again. No good discussion comes of it. No original thinking. Just regurgitated gibberish meant to look “human.” I only have reasonable discussions with humans. Since you are a bot, you will have the last reply on this, I’m sure.

          • John

            still laughing booboo

          • barbaro70

            Keep trying to pretend, John, but we know that homosexuals and everyone know that homosexuality is sterile, homosexuals are sterile, and that sterility produce frustration that leads homosexuals to do desperate, filthy things that kill them.

          • barbaro70

            We´ve told you before, and many times, but we will tell you again that we know that homosexuals and their homosexualist masters know that the homosexual life is dangerous, unhealthy, unhappy, simply because of the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals. So pretend as much as you want, but we know, and the whole world is finding out about the basis for the homosexual problem.

          • vorpal

            Very good effect INDEED, given that you’re completely losing your imaginary holy war against homosexuality.

          • barbaro70

            vorpal, you are poorly informed, which is, of course, exactly what your homosexualist masters want, ignorance in their drones so that you continue to do their selfish work

        • John

          zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……………………………..

          • barbaro70

            Again, John, you and your friend vorpal attempt to telll us that you go to sleep when someone tries to inform other folks about the basis for the homosexual problem, the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals, but we know better–the reason for the high rate of suicides among homosexuals is precisely because we never stop reminding them that they do the wrong things to try to imitate normal people in their intimacy.

          • John

            please, please keep on reminding as its doing so much good for you! Seems as though no matter how much you complain, marriage equality is still here and here to stay. So keep up the good job of whining as it is VERY entertaining…LOL!

          • barbaro70

            reminding you, Johnnie boy/girl/it, is not the point

            it is to remind the normal folks that they do not have to accede to homosexual whining, because, contrary to the homosexuals´ homosexualist masters politics, it is based on the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals, a fatal circumstance

            neither is the point the so much good that it is doing us

            rather it is the good that it is doing in fixing the homosexual problem

            when the basis for the homosexual problem is well known, then the nice people sold the homosexual nonsense will be able say, nope, not interested, not good, get some discretion, some modesty, we don´t need to be assaulted with homosexualist propaganda continually, pay for your own medical problems produced by your nasty habits

      • Laurie Higgins

        Vorpal,
        I have not been following your discussion with Barbaro. I just read this comment of yours about the age of Earth. You seem to be unaware that there are scores of “original-sin-believing Christians,” including some of the finest scholars working in every academic area in both secular and Christian colleges and universities who do not believe in a young earth. Sometimes I wonder if “progressives” know any Christians or read much.

        • vorpal

          Hi Laurie,

          I’m well aware of that. However, Barbaro is clearly nuts, and thus, I’m sure they / it / he / she must believe in a young earth.

          • barbaro70

            you can try, vorpie, to distract, but the subject is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality causing homosexuals to attempt, but fail, to imitate normal people in their sexual activities and the extremely high cost to society of this homosexual selfishness, of this homosexual desperation

            the related subject is that God, or evolution if you prefer, designed what in normal people are called genitals to be used complementarily, mutually and the homosexual brutal pathetic imitation of real sex produces, not babies, but only disease, spreads it, and death

            go to Huffington to discuss how old the earth is, don´t bother us with that stupidity

          • vorpal

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzz….

          • barbaro70

            vorpal, you pretend to sleep, but you know all about homosexual sterility and the sterility of homosexuality. You know perfectly well that your love of rolling around in other peoples feces and your love of anal penetration are not good for your health or for your emotional state. We know that when someone denies, several times, not just once, participating in those nasty things, that they are very likely actually participating in those nasty things. And we know that you know why you do it–simply because of homosexual sterility and the purpose of what in normal people are called the genitals that they were designed for, we know that your voracious homosexual appetite makes you attempt to appear like normal people and instead of producing babies you produce and spread sickness and contribute to shortening the homosexual life span. Don´t bother pretending that you are asleep about these things. We know better.

          • vorpal

            Zzzzzzzzzzz…. barbaro…. faeces….. zzzzzzzzzzzz.

          • barbaro70

            desperation from vorpal, has no way to defend the indefensible and knows it, and pretends to be asleep, but he knows, he knows about the basis for the homosexual problem being their sterility, their inability to be JUST LIKE normal people

        • barbaro70

          Laurie, here is our reply to vorpie:

          you can try, vorpie, to distract, but the subject is the sterility of
          homosexuals and homosexuality causing homosexuals to attempt, but fail,
          to imitate normal people in their sexual activities and the extremely
          high cost to society of this homosexual selfishness, of this homosexual
          desperation

          the related subject is that God, or evolution if you
          prefer, designed what in normal people are called genitals to be used
          complementarily, mutually and the homosexual brutal pathetic imitation
          of real sex produces, not babies, but only disease, spreads it, and
          death

          go to Huffington to discuss how old the earth is, don´t bother us with that stupidity

          • John

            LOL!

          • barbaro70

            John, we know better. We know that you are choking with rage that someone has the courage to define homosexuals and homosexuality in terms of their sterility, the inability to produce. And don´t think it is easy to keep countering the same pathetic attempts to defend the indefensible. This approach of yours is definitely weak, defensive. You have nothing.

          • John

            still….laughing ……..at…..you…..cant…..stop……

  • mrobert42

    you have got to be kidding..maybe the word gay was never used or maybe because of societal taboos but homosexuality or ones sexual preference is part of someones dna makeup whether you like it or not

    • Laurie Higgins

      What is your evidence for the claim that “homosexuality is part of someone’s DNA”?

    • polymath156

      That seems an odd claim when the article cited is by an LGBT “approved” author who is just citing the research of (mostly) LGBT identified scholars. The only reason all this is a surprise is that the CNNs and PBSs of the world never will report on this. Further, does it not strike you odd that the mayor of NYC can have an ex-lesbian wife (as does I believe the mayor of Detroit) and yet we pretend that sexual “orientation” is fixed and unchangeable, rather than fluid and subject to revision?

      • CrissCross

        By “ex-Lesbian” I take it you mean a bisexual woman who has dumped a same sex partner and hooked up with an opposite sex partner?

        • David

          Why do you think you have the right to define someone different then they define themselves? How is that any different than what the extreme fundies do. For a movement that at one time fought for our right to define our own lives the current LGBTQ activists are among the most intolerant of anyone who steps outside of the approved dogma.

          • CrissCross

            If you read my post again you will note it was posed as a question and not actually as a statement of “definition”.

            The post by polymath156 “defined” the woman as an “ex-lesbian”. The only way for that to be a self definition is for polymath156 to be the so called ex-lesbian in question.

          • David

            I stand corrected :)

          • polymath156

            I think the fact is her sexual identity WAS lesbian and is no longer. Maybe she calls herself bi-sexual (by behavior she has been) but her identity could very well now be heterosexual. At the very least her identity has changed which is what I meant by fluidity. Further, even a lesbian researcher (in Utah) I believe who did a long-term study of self-identified lesbians found that over a 10-15 year period that about 1/3 had changed their sexual identity.

          • CrissCross

            Sexual orientation is not the product of behavior or defined by behavior. Sexual orientation is hardwired into the brain, set in stone very early on in life. It is innate.
            She may have engaged in a lesbian relationship before, she may be engaging in a heterosexual relationship now, but her sexual orientation remains unchanged. She was bisexual, she still is bisexual.
            Just like anyone who takes responsibility and settles down into monogamous commitment, the bisexual no longer strays from the singular sexual relationship that comes with that monogamy.
            No sexual orientation is altered, damaged or negated by the commitment to monogamy.
            The marriage is not the sexual orientation, but it certainly can be brought about through explorations of orientation and informs how we determine who is the ideal to be settling down with.

    • Joe Rizoli

      So what your saying is God created Sodomites? LOL

  • Jn

    I disagree with this. My best friend told me when she was in SECOND GRADE that she was not interested in boys but was interested in girls. She does not have any lesbian relatives and her family was very religious (catholic) so tell me how she could just come up with this on her own???
    As well as Shakespeare was at least bisexual and perhaps in earlier years they did not follow their desire to be with the same sex because of the scrutiny people would put on them, you can not tell me that their were not people who did not wed or have children back before the 19th century, they probably were looked at as strange when perhaps it was the easier way for them to accept themselves and not live in a lie.

    • CrissCross

      Combinations of genes are the luck of the draw. Generations might pass without the gay combo popping up, but completely by chance, bing! That combo is formed and another homosexual is born to sparkle.

    • thisoldspouse

      Did she live in a social vacuum? No television in the home? No contact with other kids, families or students?

      It takes very little to sully a child’s perception in the world, even when raised in a morally pristine environment.

      Consider that Adam and Eve were created perfect in a perfect world, but fell horribly by the brief, insignificant influence of Satan.

  • http://www.federaleagent86.blogspot.com/ Federale

    Clearly homosexuality is genetic, just a genetic backwater, like being born sterile. Human beings are heterosexual in that all sexually reproductive species are heterosexual. Disease, behavior control, and genetic disorder obviously can affect someone’s behavior, but in the end, humans are born heterosexual because if they were not, humans would not exist.

    • CrissCross

      Then explain why 90% of all penetrative sexual acts in giraffe populations are male on male.
      And no, they appear not to be acts of the stronger dominant male raping the weaker one into submission, the evidence clearly shows that the stronger apparently dominant one does seek out male company to give him a bit of “servicing” from time to time.

      And whilst you are at it explain the other 1500 species that have been identified as exhibiting homosexuality.

      • http://www.federaleagent86.blogspot.com/ Federale

        Giraffes don’t reproduce heterosexually? WTF? I dispute your statistics and point out that genetically disordered homosapiens don’t engage in any heterosexual reproductive activity. Donating sperm is not real reproduction. Accepting donated sperm is not really sexual reproduction, it is a minor occurence but imitiates sexual reproduction. Note that homosexuals who engage in artificial insemination are not really engaging in sex.

        • CrissCross

          Where did I claim giraffes dont reproduce heterosexually?

          I merely pointed out that the majority of sexual activity among giraffe populations is homosexual. The reproduction comes about in that small minority of sex that does occur heterosexually. Dispute it as much as you want, it’s your delusion.
          The scientific reference is: Bruce Bagemihl, Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity, St. Martin’s Press, 1999; pp.391-393

          So what if sperm donation, egg donation & surrogacy result in non-sexual reproduction? Nowhere is sex obligatory for reproduction to be regarded as valid. No reproduction can be invalidated due to lack of sex.

  • Charlie Kemp

    What I find interesting is why homosexuality is treated differently than any other sexual preference. To prefer genitalia and sexual interactions with the same sex is not really any different than the same for the opposite sex. Some can argue it’s born from past trauma, but as that’s not a consistent point for all homosexuals, it cannot be determined as the “cause” for it. What IS consistent, however, is the human sex drive. While some are classified as asexual, or lack interest in either gender for sexual release, the rest of the human race is quite appreciative of sex. BUT, just as every human being has different finger prints and DNA (excepting those lovely identical twins, who still ACT and THINK differently), everyone has different sexual preferences and needs. A straight guy who is married to a straight woman may have vastly differing sexual needs, which would make him just as sexually “deviant” from his wife’s needs/preferences as a man/woman who prefers the same gender to fulfill THEIR needs. The husband may be into bondage, while the wife may need to be stimulated with literature, while still the referenced homosexual may be more lackluster and conservative in bed (or mix all those up for each other, whatever). The point is, everyone’s sexual “orientation” is really an accumulation of their sexual history, needs, preferences, fantasies, and the like. Some are more secretive about it than others, and others may even try to pretend they don’t feel a certain way about certain things, but THAT is common to EVERYONE, gay or straight, monogamous or not.

    When it comes to families though, nature has domination in requiring procreation to involve female and male reproductive organs. That’s not to say parents of the same sex can’t love equally, or be as good parents as parents who are the opposite sex. In fact, I have yet to see evidence that parents from any group of race, sex, etc, are better or worse than parents from another group. It’s about the people. There are divorcees, cheaters, loyal spouses, and abusers in ALL people groups. IMO, however, I do think the overall society we as Americans live in IS contributing to the decline of a strong and wholesome family structure (for two parents with one or more children).

    In history, there IS evidence, Mr. Benkof, of male slave owners using young boys for their pleasure (hello, the Romans?), as well as women. There was also a whole sect of women for some ancient temple that was wholly dedicated to lesbians who worshipped that goddess with sex with other women. (I’m pretty sure some who worshiped Aphrodite did so with sex, and those of Baal. I’m sure there are other gods and goddesses whose worship included sex in some form).

    My overall feeling on this subject is that what happens in the bedroom needs to STAY in the bedroom. PERIOD.

    • 4evrMoi

      Then “why” do homosexuals make such a big deal of THEIR preferences – public outcry – demanding everything normal heterosexuals have observed and enjoyed as the practice of heterosexuals has been there since the beginning of time? Oh – I know … there are those of you who “think” Yahweh/God is “imaginary” – that there is NO Devine and Holy WORD which states that WHAT homosexuals CHOOSE to do is an abomination to His design and WORD, which ultimately, will end with death – whether that be due to disease brought about through the unnatural practices of homosexuality or by final death. There IS eternity – WITH Yahweh/God and Yeahua/Jesus OR WITH SATAN.

      Apparently, everyone forgets HOW they got here in the first place and that NO GOOD can come from any of this “opinion” supporting homosexuality! There was NO Adam and Steve in the Garden of Eden … and there was NO Eve and Sally, either! We who DO BELIEVE SCRIPTURE – it is our duty to pray for the souls of those who know better yet make such hopeless decisions and “choices”.

      Again … May Yahweh/God have Mercy upon the souls of homosexuals who CRY OUT for the wrong beliefs and reasons. Nope . . . not MY opinion, but the facts in Scripture.

      • Charlie Kemp

        Um, I think you misunderstand me. (JUST noticed this comment, sorry!) I am a follower of Jesus, the true Son of God. Make no mistake about that. Unfortunately, most people tend to just stop listening if I lead with that. They automatically assume I am a bigoted and hatefilled hypocrite who has nothing better to do than judge other people, which is simply not true. We were meant to reason with one another, in a manner befitting of society. Once people can see we are NOT any of the given mudslinging names they can think of, they’re faaaaaar more willing to listen to the Gospel, and its truth.

        • 4evrMoi

          Hey Charlie . . . sorry, too, that I seemed to have “lashed out”, but I’m so tired of all this in-your-face homosexuality crap. It’s so rampant … like we must continually be exposed to what we know – according to Scripture … is wrong and immoral. I tried to be kind and as understanding of one admitted homo, but all I got was rudeness and insult. He/she admitted they were atheist, yet stated he/she was raised in a Christian environment. “Choices” … we all make them and we all will one day, answer for them. “Thanks” for taking the time to reply. = )

  • SouthernPatriot

    The Sexually Aberrant Deviant (SAD) community has for decades now advocated that homosexuality and lesbianism was programmed by DNA. Little did the reprobates realize that only a few years after they began to convince so many of their lie, that the entire human genome would be mapped and NO homosexual chromosome was found. NO DNA exists for sodomy. Then they began to work in political realms to use terrorist acts of intimidation and to have leftist judges support their sodomic marriages. Now judges are declaring the votes of the majority of the people of a state (California and others within the last few weeks) in support of traditional marriage was suddenly unconstitutional. What the +++++ is constitutional about homo marriage?

    Of course homosexual activity is a choice. It always has been a choice and always will. Understanding Romans Chapter One, you can see it is a choice of a “reprobate mind”.

    • vorpal

      Ummmm… I don’t think you understand what was accomplished by mapping the human genome.

      Also, no one argues that homosexual behaviour is not a choice. Answer me this, then: if you have someone like me, who has never experienced opposite-sex attraction and has only experienced same-sex attraction, how would you advocate that I live my life? What would you advise me to do?

      • barbaro70

        first, stop attempting to defend the indefensible–the nonsense that everybody, including you, knows to be pathetic, desperate, suicidal behavior

        after you make a commitment to that, we can go on with other suggestions

        • vorpal

          Yes, yes… I already know you’re nutballs. Now let me talk to other people without sticking your psychotic head in the way.

          • barbaro70

            Once again, Mr Vorpal, PsD, R2dP: you refuse to understand that we take the work of the homosexual problem very seriously and we inform folks wherever we find errors about the sterility and filthiness of homosexuality and homosexuals, that is WHEREVER homosexuals and their homosexualist masters attempt to defend the indefensible, such as your love of rolling around in other people´s feces and of anal penetration.

          • John

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………………………………

          • barbaro70

            John, pretend, but for others, not us, that you are sleeping while your defense of homosexuality is indefensible, your defense of the sterility of homosexuality and of homosexuals is killing people, is causing them to live unhappy, terrible lives, but we know better. Homosexual live in constant fear that their filthy perversions are going to catch up with them.

          • John

            No fear or sterility here babe! 2 beautiful daughters and a loving wife……what’s to fear? kray-kray in a big way…..

          • barbaro70

            Oh, somehow some of the nonsense that you, or another John, posted suggested that you were attempting to defend the indefensible.

            On the other hand, some male homosexuals have the bad habit of calling another male his wife, or some female homosexuals have the bad habit of calling another woman her husband.

          • John

            have…..to….stop………..laughing…….cant catch breath…………

          • barbaro70

            sure, Johnny boy/girl/it, force yourself to laugh, otherwise you´ll be crying about the sterility of homosexuality, of homosexuals and what that sterility forces homosexuals to do, attempt to imitate normal people in their sex, fail completely, and produce instead of babies, disease, spread it, die early

          • John

            just…..stop….please…….too…..funny…………….. BTW- you just dont realize that nobody is paying any attention to ya, right?

          • barbaro70

            don´t bother telling us to stop, the work of exposing the basis for the homosexual problem is too important

            BTW, we realize that everybody is paying attention, and YOU are the one that doesn´t know what´s going on

            we are making progress like you cannot believe, of if you can, don´t because it would mean to you, you couldn´t deny it, that the farce that is homosexuality would be exposed, the shame and fear and pain of being shown up as pathetic beings would destroy the homosexuals work–then it would be clear that the basis for the homosexual problem, the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals does not allow folks to continue allowing homosexuals to have their way

            hold on to your sox

          • John

            Have no intentions of asking you to stop. This stuff is pure gold entertainment just like you. Keep on trying though as your battle isnt quite over but will be soon when marriage equality is the law of the land.

          • barbaro70

            johnny boy/girl/it: has the homosexual disease affected your memory? a couple of posts you said for us to stop

            but there it is, the homosexual sterility extends to memory, now you want us to continue, and you do not have to tell us to, that is our job

            as to the law of the land, it is not good for you to swallow your homosexualist masters´ line, you are simply not investing enough time in reading what is going on, and we don´t mean just politically

          • John

            you spend lots of time thinking about feces and gay sex, I think you need to come out of the closet and embrace your true feelings towards those of your same sex……you’ll feel much better!

    • barbaro70

      great post

      keep up the good work

  • Muggs37

    At the end of the day – the best that can be said is that homosexuality is not inborn. However, the mind can be led to believe anything a convincing predator tells you.

    • vorpal

      Where are these predators of which you speak? I am gay, knew it from the age of four, and I have never been waylaid by a predator.

      • thisoldspouse

        You’ve been sexual since the age of four?!

        Were you one of Kinsey’s “subjects.”

        • vorpal

          Nope. I knew when I was four – like many other LGBT people – that I was different. I distinctly remember seeing a man and a woman kiss on TV, and thinking about how delightful it would be to kiss a man.

          Also, at my kindergarten school, during outdoor play time, the kids used to play “boys catch girls”. (The boys would chase the girls and catch them and kiss them on the cheek.) I didn’t understand at the time, but I was very frustrated by the game, because I was a boy, and I had no interest in catching a girl. I wanted to either catch a boy or have a boy catch me.

          At the age of seven, I read Lord of the Rings, and I remember distinctly daydreaming every night for weeks about riding off into the sunset to have adventures with Frodo, in a very romantic sense.

          I was also very curious to see my male friends naked, and would find creative ways to get them to take off their clothes for me.

          Never abused, never molested, and of course, I didn’t know what sex was at that age. I just knew that there was something very exciting and romantic about other boys. Obviously, the actual sexual interest came later.

      • Laurie Higgins

        The claims of self-identified “gays” that they’ve known from the ages of 3 or 4 or 5 that they were sexually attracted to those of their same sex is evidence of the flimsiness of their innateness claims. No child that young has sexual feelings unless they’ve been molested. Adult homosexuals go back in time and re-cast the feelings of love or idolization they felt for someone of the same sex (which are common and non-sexual) into sexual feelings because it serves their goal of proving that same-sex attraction is DNA-bound.

        • thisoldspouse

          Bingo, Laurie. You’ve said exactly what I was about to say (only much better!)

        • vorpal

          No, they don’t, and your claims to the contrary have no validity and are insulting and derogatory. You telling me that my childhood memories – very distinct ones, I might add – are something that they are not is pure nonsense that you make up to support your anti-LGBT equality agenda.

          I don’t claim to know any of the causes of homosexuality. All I state is that I knew there was something different in me and that it involved a romantic interest in other boys from a very young age. I am not lying, nor am I trying to make any assertions about what that means about the causes of homosexuality. It is simply fact.

          • thisoldspouse

            What Laurie stated is completely true; children do not have sexual feelings. That is Alfred Kinsey’s fake argument, swallowed by several generations to their own detriment.

            Children most certainly do experience feelings of affection and admiration for adults and same-sex fictional characters in childhood, but sexualizing these feelings as an adult is the height of self-deception. And your reporting of feelings of being “different” are wholly subjective. Different from what? Of course people are different from others, in unique ways. Perhaps you were overly sensitive as a child, which feelings were construed as being inordinately different. Everyone experiences subjective feelings of being separate from the rest of the human race at some time in their lives. And these ARE just feelings. How you deal with them and properly subordinate them to the truth is a measure of character.

          • John

            Wrong again big boy. Are you a child psychologist like laurie? Nope. Just more garbage from those who don’t know. Sad actually

          • vorpal

            Pure speculative nonsense. And yes, children have some sexual feelings and curiosity. And no, this is not me as an adult sexualizing childhood feelings.

            You can continue to say it over and over again, but that doesn’t make it true.

            Similarly, I can continue to tell you over and over again that your faith is sheer nonsense and your Christian experiences nothing more than fancies of imagination (which I believe to be true), but you will steadfastly stand opposed to me on that, and as I am not you, I cannot accurately judge the validity of your experiences and memories.

          • 4evrMoi

            Scripture is Scripture – one either believes it and accepts it as Yahweh/God’s Devine and Holy Word, or they do not. Do NOT try to re-write it or interpret it to “fit” YOUR beliefs! Your “choices” are yours and they DO have consequences. Yahweh/God gave each of us “free will” to MAKE our choices, but NOT without guidelines which IS Scripture. Stating that your “Jesus is bigger than any bigotry” is true, but He EXPECTS all who accept Him to BELIEVE and OBEY His Word. His WORD does NOT SAY that it is OK for man to lie with man or woman to lie with woman. Scripture IS our INSTRUCTION as followers and Believers in Yeshua/Jesus. We are saved by His GRACE. IF you are “saved” by His Grace, then RESPECT His Word, HUMBLE your being, ask for His forgiveness and Mercy upon YOUR “choice” that defiles The Scriptures – HIS WORD . . . and then CHANGE your actions to GLORIFY your Creator and His Son, YOUR Savior and Redeemer. Your eternity depends on it!

          • vorpal

            Wherever did you get the idea that I care one bit about what some scripture says, supposedly handed to mankind by an imaginary god?

          • 4evrMoi

            You wouldn’t be here in this Lifetime if you weren’t created by a LIVING Yahweh/God – there is nothing “imaginary” about Him. BTW . . . just “how” do you think you were conceived? By two men? By two women? Please know there are many, I am sure, who – after reading your comments, are praying for your soul. May He have Mercy upon it.

          • vorpal

            I was conceived by my mom and dad. I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

            I exist in this lifetime because my parents conceived me, and because their parents conceived them, etc. There is no need for your silly temper-tantrum invisible Yahweh to explain life or the universe.

            I was a Christian for the first 25 or so years of my life, and then through a series of events that affected me profoundly, I came to the realization that there is no god. I have been an atheist and Taoist (since Taoism is an atheistic philosophy), and I couldn’t be happier with my life. I am married to the man of my dreams (and will be celebrating 10 years in May), living in paradise (the place I dreamed of living growing up), and working the job of my dreams. Life couldn’t be better.

            All that being said, I’m never adverse to people sending me well-wishes, so by all means, pray for me.

          • 4evrMoi

            So done; You ARE prayed for. =)

          • vorpal

            Thank you. That is most kind.

          • 4evrMoi

            Please know I am not having a “temper-tantrum”; quite the contrary. I pray for you because you are naïve and find ways to support what you have chosen to believe. So be it.

          • vorpal

            I never said that you were having a temper tantrum: it is your god who acts like a small child, having temper tantrums and requiring constant stroking of his massive ego.

            I respectfully disagree: you are the naive one, friend. I can only assume that you know nothing about philosophical Taoism, and thus your dismissal of it without consideration shows your immaturity in these matters.

          • 4evrMoi

            (sigh) “Thank you” for correcting the statement regarding WHO is having a temper-tantrum, but please know, our Creator, Father Yahweh/God – as any father – can be displeased with His children and demonstrate His righteous anger however He wants especially when too many show Him a lack of respect for WHO He is. I do not intend to debate you … that is what Satan wants and expects with those as yourself. What you state is an idealistic figment of someone’s imagination (based on what I know that Scripture teaches) and I truly feel sorry for anyone who chooses it. You have made your choice and while you live and breathe, you have time to repent and change your mind regarding YOUR theories on Life. I have made mine – I will live with it because to choose otherwise would leave a big question mark about what happens once this Life is complete. Be well . . . you and those who agree with you are indeed, in our (those who adhere to Scripture) prayers.

          • 4evrMoi

            For you, ‘Vorpal” . . .

            The Blessings of Spring

            Lovely flowers show us Yahweh/God’s faithfulness…
            If Yahweh/God cares so wonderfully for flowers…won’t He more surely care for you? Matthew 6:30

            Singing birds tell us of His tender care…
            Look at the birds…Your heavenly Father feeds them. And you are far more valuable to Him than they are.
            Matthew 6:26

            Soft rains remind us of His refreshing grace…
            I will send down showers in season; there will be showers of blessings. Ezekiel 34:26

            Sunny days reflect the light He brings…
            I am the light of the world. Whoever follows Me will…have the light of life. John 8:12

            All of Spring proclaims the hope Yahweh/God gives our hearts! See! The winter is past; the rains are come and gone. Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing has come. Song of Solomon 2:11-12

            A Heart Set Free!

            Thank You, Yeshua/Jesus,
            for a costly cross …
            an empty tomb …
            a triumphant and victorious Savior …
            and a Heart set free for all eternity!

          • vorpal

            Of course your imaginary god can act however he wants; it just doesn’t make him a particularly noble, admirable, or respectable figure.

            If he is both omnipotent and omniscient, as claimed by most of his worshippers, then it is impossible to argue that he didn’t create the universe and mankind knowing just how much man would disappoint him and piss him off. Thus, either your god must want to be pissed off, or Christianity is flimsy nonsense. I tend to ascribe to the latter statement.

            I have nothing to repent for. I take responsibility for my actions and when I hurt somebody, I hold myself accountable to them and to myself, and not to an angry invisible sky daddy.

          • 4evrMoi

            You speak of an “angry God”? He does NOT have to be “particularly noble, admirable, or a respectable figure” as you state – He IS … Scripture: “I AM” (Exodus 3:14)——that is, He is the Yahweh/God who is eternally self-existent, transcendent to time as well as to space and matter. Hold yourself accountable to Yahweh/God. Again, it IS your “choice” that will determine your eternity.

            New Testament – Romans 12:19 and in the Old Testament (they work together) – Deuteronomy 32:

            Deuteronomy 32 – Holmes Christian Standard Scripture …

            1Pay attention, heavens, and I will speak; listen, earth, to the words of my mouth.

            2Let my teaching fall like rain and my word settle like dew, like gentle rain on new grass and showers on tender plants.

            3For I will proclaim Yahweh’s name. Declare the greatness of our God!

            4The Rock–His work is perfect; all His ways are entirely just. A faithful God, without prejudice, He is righteous and true.

            Parallel Chapters

            Romans 12:19

            Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.

            Hebrews 10:30

            For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”

            2 Peter 2:3

            In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

            Exodus 32:34

            Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin.”

            Leviticus 19:18

            “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

            1 Samuel 26:10

            As surely as the LORD lives,” he said, “the LORD himself will strike him, or his time will come and he will die, or he will go into battle and perish.

            2 Kings 9:7

            You are to destroy the house of Ahab your master, and I will avenge the blood of my servants the prophets and the blood of all the LORD’s servants shed by Jezebel.

            Psalm 94:1

            The LORD is a God who avenges. O God who avenges, shine forth.

            Jeremiah 8:12

            Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

          • vorpal

            The level of concern I have for my “eternity” over rejecting your doctrine is ZERO. Like the rest of humanity, I will die, simply to cease existing, because that is what death is. The fact that your brain tells you that you are TOO IMPORTANT to stop existing and your ego tells you that it is IMPOSSIBLE is in no way a reliable indicator of reality; it is simply an indicator of shortcomings in you.

          • vorpal

            What I believe is an “idealistic figment of someone’s imagination”? And what you believe is truth, right? Of course it is. =rolls eyes=

            I have no question marks as to what happens when this life is complete.

            I wish you well as well, and I wish for you a heart of kindness instead of one of demeaning condescension.

          • 4evrMoi

            Nor do I have any question marks as to what happens when this Life ends. It’s amazing how those as yourself have all the “answers” based on whatever it is YOU believe, but when others stand for THEIR beliefs in SCRIPTURE, they are (as you roll your eyes …) “demeaning and condescending”. I did NOT write Scripture, I simply learn from it as I have ACCEPTED it as the Divine Word of Yahweh/God, through the Salvation He provided us all when He gave His only Son to die upon a tree for our sin. You, too, were born a sinner (as all were), but BECAUSE of the Love of our Father – our Creator, we are saved by His Grace through His Son, Yahshua/Jesus. He already paid the price for your sin … you simply need to accept Him as the Savior He is.

            I have tried to be kind toward you – you are simply, too blind to understand that. Please know that you and those who agree with you – for WHATEVER YOUR SORTED REASONS … have a “judgment day” as do we all. My prayers for all of you … that our Father – our Creator, who IS INFINITE in HIs Wisdom AND CONTROL, WILL direct your paths toward HIS forgiveness through the Salvation of His Son, Yahshua/Jesus. It IS only to that end that you WILL see Eternity in a Heavenly place.

            Regarding my Heart? Had it not been compassionate toward you – a total stranger whom I believe is lost and floundering based on what Scripture states – NOT what I state … I would not have given you the time it has taken to reply to you. THAT IS as MY Father – our Creator, would want from one of His children toward another of His children. My prayers go with you … you simply need to open your Heart to the opportunity that Yahweh/God IS REAL and LIVING, … that Yahshua/Jesus IS REAL and LIVING, … and that Scripture IS HIS DIVINE WORD given to us through His servants – as instruction, so that we may live the Life He has given us in Earth as it IS in Heaven. Again, the CHOICE IS yours! Peace.

          • vorpal

            I never called you demeaning and condescending because of your belief that you know the answers to important questions. I called you demeaning and condescending because your attitude stinks, i.e. the self-righteous obnoxiousness your feel in your beliefs over the beliefs of others radiates in every sentence you post.

            I have tried to be largely respectful to you given your attitude, but it continues to worsen through your posts. Frankly, I feel Christianity is a silly little religion of nonsense: I cannot see humanity as some horrible, sinful, fallen people, because I love my fellow man and I think there is much beauty and potential in us all. When I hurt others or disappoint myself, I don’t hold myself accountable to a big invisible sky daddy, who, in his omnipotence and omniscience, created us flawed, knowing full well our fate and that he was going to hate the hell out of us but doing so anyways, and then instead of simply changing his childish and bad attitude, apparently could only resolve his silly temper tantrum (which, omnisciently, he knew he would have) by arbitrarily deciding at some point to spring forth from the womb of a virgin and get killed by the hands of humans. It’s not even a good story, 4everMoi, and it certainly doesn’t make any logical sense. And now there is no real sign of Yahweh for the 2000 years since Jesus apparently existed, and science has moved on and shown that creationism is bunk, thus forcing your god into progressively smaller and smaller gaps of irrelevance.

            If you call what you extended to me kindness, I’d hate to see what isn’t kindness by your standards. To top off the silliness of your mythology, the Christian right repeatedly demonstrates itself to be the ugliest people I meet, and I’m not talking physically.

            I was a Christian for many years, and I have no desire to go back to that childish and simplistic set of beliefs. Go grovel before your imaginary creator / Yahweh all you want. You have the choice to put on intellectual blinders and buy into your silly legend all you like, but as you have told me repeatedly, the CHOICE IS yours.

          • 4evrMoi

            Key word? ACCEPT Him . . . you make it very clear you do not. While you live and breathe, there is still time for you to “see” the light and ask for His forgiveness – once you leave this Life, that opportunity is gone.

          • vorpal

            I accept your god as being a figment of the human imagination.

            If he exists and wants me to believe in him, he knows what evidence I need to do so. I’m certainly not closed to the possibility. However, I am also not a fool, and I do not go about believing in things without good reason.

        • John

          so now you’re a child psychologist? If not , your opinion on the subject is moot and useless.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Who shared this nonsense with you?

  • Gregory Alan of Johnson

    These type of opinions/articles, and many of the comments in response, discount THE thing that homosexuality truly is and is almost always discarded as near lunacy, but rarely if ever rebutted: Demonic influence.
    For the sake of ONLY the species of ‘homo-sapien’, if the ONLY ability to perpetuate is male/female and no other, then anything outside of that is completely unnatural. 6000 years of ‘homo-sapien’ existence has not developed the ability for a male to get pregnant or a female to impregnate either gender. A male can ONLY impregnate a female, and a female can ONLY be impregnated (regardless of the Schwarzenegger movie “Junior” of 1994). Thus, homosexuality is about carnal lust.

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      And yet I’m a saved Christian and gay. Try again.

      • Gregory Alan of Johnson

        One or the other, by scripture. Not both. Try again.
        Seek deliverance from the Devil’s lies of your homosexuality.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Not so. My Jesus is bigger than your bigotry.

          • Gregory Alan of Johnson

            Make sure you have the one true Christ. There are a few excellent fakers out there.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Agreed, my friend. As Paul said, “Many will claim to speak in my name.” I thank God for the Holy Spirit in my life helping me discern true wisdom from fakery.

          • Pax Humana

            Jesus condemned YOUR bigotry, OnlyMyPridefulLifestyle.

      • Oscar

        One out of three is horrible: You are gay. Period.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          That didn’t even make sense. Stop drinking while you rant.

      • Old Salt

        You’re typical.
        Without study, without rightly dividing the word, you make the bold and
        false statement that you’re a Christian and gay. I know several former Sodomites who have forsaken that lifestyle
        and are now Christians. They would tell
        you that your faith is in vain and ye are yet in your sins. Real Christians understand that they are not
        perfect and realize they are sinners in need of a Savior. You, however, are trying to convince
        yourself and others, that you have a Jesus that accepts your sin by virtue of
        the fact that he loves you and your sin.
        The Jesus of the scriptures does love you but he doesn’t love or accept
        what you do, so I would suggest you get your head out of the area where you’ve
        been having sex and read all of Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:24-32 and
        1 Corinthians 6:9-10, just for starters [you won’t because you’re blinded by
        your lust, but I felt obligated to tell you].
        Just off hand, you were probably convinced of your false belief, by some
        pedophile or gay priest…maybe…maybe not, but I do know you’re not in the word.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Try reading the all of the book of Leviticus instead of cherry-picking verses. You will find that many of those laws are not followed by Christians today. All or nothing friend. You can’t pick and choose like a cafeteria. Or can you?

          • Pax Humana

            Homosexuality is heterophobia and it is also hate speech, sir. Argue otherwise and you are against the REAL Christians, the REAL Jews, and against YAHWEH EL ELOHIM as well as sexist and an intolerant, immature, judgmental, hypocritical, and elitist bigot, PERIOD!

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Even Christians, of which I am one, do not make your idiotic rantings. Seriously, when you want debate with the adults, join us on the current articles. And stop the name-calling. You embarrass God.

          • Pax Humana

            You are the embarrassment to Him, you are the immature one, and you are a troll, so go back into your cave or under your bridge, OnlyYourAsinineStupidity! You are a servant of the Antichrist, PERIOD! Finally, homosexuals are the bigoted ones and so are you, servant of Lucifer!

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            Your bigotry has blinded you. I hope you accept Christ one day, my friend.

  • CrissCross

    So the historians find little to no evidence of homosexuality in the historical evidence of society’s in which homosexuality was illegal, and in many cases punishable by death and in which the dominant Christian religion deemed it abominably sinful to even speak positively about it in any way?

    Have they considered perhaps that evidence of it would most certainly have been used in the time as evidence to prosecute, and that homosexuals would more likely have hidden their tracks very very well??

    Have they considered that even talking about homosexuals or homosexuality could get people (irrespective of sexual orientation) under close investigation by the authorities throughout much of Christian history and continued to do so until as recently as the 1940’s?

    Have they considered that the first appearances of homosexuality in literature in the early 20th century was so risque and unprecedented that it utterly scandalized society? If it was dangerous to write about it in the 1920’s it would have been more dangerous to do so prior to that.

    Have they considered that it was called the love that dare not speak its name for a very good reason? If it was not even spoken about for fear of legal repercussions, I seriously doubt there will be evidence of gay activities anywhere. Humanity is stupid, but not stupid enough as to make it so blatantly obvious that they are breaking the law that the evidence would be visible for centuries to come.

    It is beginning to look like the Christian junk academics have shifted their focus to history, masquerading the absence of evidence of public display as evidence of no activity.

    And since when do historians become the authority on physiological academic endeavour?

    These historians are nothing but voodoo dancers casting goat intestines on the pebbles.
    Shoogah shoogah ra ra!

  • RizoliTV

    If homosexuality was part of someone’s DNA, then why have thousands left the deviant lifestyle, got married, raised kids forever not to return?

    • CrissCross

      Because they are bisexual and switched from a same sex partner to an opposite sex partner.

      • RizoliTV

        That clouds the mud…..how about this, they realized their sin, repented and started living a godly, respectful life?

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Many gay people live Godly, respectful lives. God does not need us to change our sexuality to love or bless us.

    • vorpal

      That has never happened.

      Edit: or, at least, the people in those situations have been quite miserable, and the entire family ends up a victim of the anti-gay bigotry that drove them to feign a heterosexual life. Countless examples abound.

      No “ex-gay” claim has ever been backed up reliably.

      • David

        that is asinine nonsense. Yes the “ex-gay” movement has been discredited but that does not negate the changes some of made in the paths of their lives. Yes there are people who have been forced into bad therapies and who have been miserable. But the horror stories do not represent everyone any more than the claims that thousands have switched their orientation. People can and do live happy lives while choosing not to act on their same sex attractions. For the LGBTQ fringe folk to default immediately to the “well they were bisexuals” or “they are feigning a heterosexual life” is the epitome of arrogance, the same arrogance that will ultimately be the downfall of what was once a fight for freedom.

        • vorpal

          The damage that the ex-gay movement has done has been incredible, and it is full of empty promises, which is why it must be discredited.

          I never said that people can’t live fulfilling lives not acting on their sexual orientation, regardless of what it may be. Many people live fulfilling celibate lives; however, that is an individual choice to be made, and I only oppose the empty promises of the ex-gay movement and the victims it makes. If one chooses to live a celibate lifestyle, I don’t shame them for that choice any more than I’d shame a Jewish person for not eating pork.

          What downfall, exactly, do you predict will happen?

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          God does not bless reparative therapy. That’s why these ministries are going out of business. They don’t work.

      • Old Salt

        Of course you’re not going to believe it…that would make you wrong and we can’t have THAT can we?

        • vorpal

          Of course I’m not going to believe what? I’m not sure what the “it” is specifically to which you refer.

          • Old Salt

            The “it” refers to your “that” in your response to Joe Rizoli, but it doesn’t matter. I spent many years performing in community theater, working and relaxing with gay men [they outnumbered us straights 1.5 to 1, it's a haven for coming out and no one goes balistic] and I only want to say that I sincerely hope you don’t become sick from your lifestyle. It’s a horrible way to go, I’ve watched it happen. In closing, I see very little that we’d agree on. Good bye.

          • vorpal

            I have no intention of getting sick. I’m an old fashioned guy: I don’t ever engage in casual or promiscuous sex, and I’ve only ever had sex in long term relationships, always with protection. My husband and I are strictly monogamous, married 10 years, and take our marriage vows extremely seriously. Indeed, we even waited until we were married to consummate the relationship in our case.

          • vorpal

            I don’t believe “it” because no ex-gay movement has ever been able to produce more than a tiny number of claimed long-term success stories, and many people involved in the ex-gay ministry for decades later recant all their claims and admit that they never saw any evidence at all of real change. That is why I don’t believe it.

            I also don’t believe it because groups like PFOX and AFA and people like Christopher Doyle organized an “ex-gay pride” event in the summer of 2013, predicting that tens of thousands of people would descend upon Washington DC to finally establish beyond the shadow of a doubt the existence of ex-gay people and to demand equal rights for ex-gays. The event, which is documented on film and can be seen on YouTube, drew exactly 10 people out, all of whom have significant financial or political investment in ex-gay therapies / ministries. It was a complete embarrassment.

            If someone wants to live a life of celibacy / abstinence, while I may not agree with their motivations for doing so, I support them to make whatever decisions they feel are right for them. However, the ex-gay movement makes empty promises and creates victims extending beyond gay people by encouraging gay people to marry opposite-sex partners and head families as part of their “treatment”.

            I really do appreciate your concern for my well-being. I assure you, though, that the care I take is far, far beyond even what the most responsible heterosexuals take. I have only ever had intercourse in long-term relationships, and always insisted on using protection up until my marriage to my husband (10 years in May). We are monogamous and have no intention of ever being otherwise. Barring some completely amazing and unpredictable event, the likelihood of me contracting HIV is zero.

            I wish you the best and hope you are having an excellent week. I appreciate that you have been largely civil with me – something that seems to be a rarity online in these types of discussions. Thank you for that.

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      You cannot back that up.

      • Joe Rizoli

        Apparently my answers with one important proof isn’t being posted.
        Steven Bennett Ministries would be a great place to start.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          God does not bless Reparative therapy. That’s why every major ministry has stopped saying gay people can be cured. Look it up.

      • Old Salt

        It’s a program called “Exodus” and I’ve met reformed Sodomites and no, I’m not going to name them, but they’re among us making your claims foolish.

        • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

          Update your facts. Exodus went out of business because God did not bless their efforts. They no longer believe a person can be “cured.”

          • Old Salt

            Didn’t know that and I must apologize then for trying to use it in a discussion with someone who needn’t repent for what he’s doing. I hope you don’t get sick before it’s too late…I mean that in the best context. Good bye!

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            I appreciate the kindness showed in your post. I wish more on this board (on both sides) would do the same. Have a great day, my friend.

    • John Resch

      And they are living a lie. Oh sure some get married and even have kids but deep inside they are still gay. That will never go away and someday the burden of keeping up that lie will become to much to handle anymore and they will break free and live the life they where intended to live. In the meantime they have hurt their wife and kids. Just be who you are. If your gay be gay, if your straight your straight. You cannot live something you’re not. I know many men that where married with kids and finally admitted who they really are and one thing they have all told me they had in common. Every time they had sexual relations with their wife the only way they could do it is if they fantasized about being with a man while they where doing it. If you’re gay you’re gay, accept it.

  • Ray – Jesus is the Son of God.

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

    Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Romans 1: 24, 25, 26, 27.

    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5.

    Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1 Corinthians 6: 9.

    Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. 1 Timothy 1:9,10.

    And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Lev 20: 15, 16.

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 18: 22, 23.

    • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

      You cherry-pick verses that support your stand. If you believe that the word of God is absolute and that all old testament scripture is relevant today, then explain verse nine in leviticus 20. If I hear a kid curse his parent, are we supposed to kill him? Didn’t think so. Too many Christians “choose” to believe some verses and ignore others. Or they say that Christ did away with the old law. Or did he only do away with the laws you are uncomfortable with? Stop cherry-picking verses and read Leviticus in context.

      Here are some others “from the same chapter you quote from”: verse 10: anyone who commits adultery should be killed.

      verse 18: If a man has sex with a woman during her period, they are “both” to be cut off from their people.

      Leviticus 11:4 – Eating bacon is a sin.

      Leviticus 11:10 – No shrimp or lobster for you. They are an abomination.

      Leviticus 11:27 – eating anything with paws will make you unclean.

      Leviticus 11:28-29 – No escargot for you!

      Leviticus 3:17 – Better not eat the fat on that steak!

      Leviticus 10:6 – Keep your head covered and get rid of your ripped jeans or God’s wrath will come upon all the people.

      Leviticus 19:19 – Better not wear anything with wool and and cotton mixed.

      Leviticus 19:27 – No more haircuts!

      Leviticus 19:27 – Men, don’t shave that beard.

      Leviticus 19:28 – Tatoos are evil.

      Leviticus 18:9 – If you drink and then go to church, you will die.

      My point: If you want me follow Leviticus 18:22, then you need to follow the rest or else you are a hypocrite. Stop cherry-picking verses.

  • 4evrMoi

    Upholding The Scriptures, especially Leviticus 20:13 . . . I understand Yahweh/God’s HOLY Word and His Creation as this: He makes NO “MISTAKES”.

    As what I replied to “vorpal”:

    Scripture is Scripture – one either believes it and accepts it as Yahweh/God’s Devine and Holy Word, or they do not. Do NOT try to re-write it or interpret it to “fit” YOUR beliefs! Your “choices” are yours and they DO have consequences. Yahweh/God gave each of us “free will” to MAKE our choices, but NOT without guidelines which IS Scripture. Stating that your “Jesus is bigger than any bigotry” is true, but He EXPECTS all who accept Him to BELIEVE and OBEY His Word. His WORD does NOT SAY that it is OK for man to lie with man or woman to lie with woman. Scripture IS our INSTRUCTION as followers and Believers in Yeshua/Jesus. We are saved by His GRACE. IF you are “saved” by His Grace, then RESPECT His Word, HUMBLE your being, ask for His forgiveness and Mercy upon YOUR “choice” that defiles The Scriptures – HIS WORD . . . and then CHANGE your actions to GLORIFY your Creator and His Son, YOUR Savior and Redeemer, Yeshua/Jesus. Your eternity depends on it!

  • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

    I was born gay.It took me a long time to finally accept it, because of bigots in my life trying to “fix” me with reparative therapy (which almost killed me). God loves me just the way I am, and only when I finally accepted who He made me to be did I experience spiritual and emotional peace. You can throw all of your crackpot experts at me, but no one can question my personal experience. No one can judge my relationship with God. No one can question the Holy Spirit in my heart. No one.

    • thisoldspouse

      Homosexuality will kill you, if persisted in long enough.

      • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

        Not so. Old age, disease, or other people kill you. Homosexuality cannot kill you.

        • thisoldspouse

          And disease proliferates in those who engage in homosexual behavior.

          • OnlyMyHumbleOpinion

            As well as those who engage in heterosexual activity.

          • John Resch

            Some yes, but for the majority of gays they live and die just like you. Old age.

  • Jn

    Here is the thing, Homosexuals are indeed “born this way” I personally believe that attraction and love can happen no matter sex, religion, or race. But I guess all of you anti-homosexuals are probably against different race couples too??
    Get over it. If you truly believe it is against YOUR religion or morals that’s fine, but if its not effecting you leave it be. Not everyone has to suffer because you are pushing YOUR beliefs on them hatefully.

    As my closing note, If Gods #1 Rule is to love each other don’t you think he is not up there saying hateful things if he is a true all loving God? What makes you greater than God to be able to pass your judgement onto others?

    • 4evrMoi

      Please know – those who believe Scripture to be Yahweh/God’s divine and Holy Word, do NOT judge; that is up to Him and He alone! What we are doing is trying to show that there is another “viewpoint”, which IS Scripture and Biblical values upon which this Nation was founded. Homosexuality is NOT a Biblical value, but an outward “choice” that each person who chooses it as a way of Life, will most certainly and eventually, deal with it one way or the other. Yes, He IS a loving Father, and as such, He WILL tolerate behavior unbecoming to His Word, yet one day, he will hold each accountable for their transgression and disobedience.

  • RizoliTV

    The Bible says that sinners can repent and stop their former lives.

    1Cor6:11 says  when mentioning a plethora of sins “such were some of you” which included the “effeminate”.

    So homosexuals can change their BEHAVIOR.

    • thisoldspouse

      And thrive in doing so.

  • RizoliTV

    Apparently the Bibles shows people can change bad behaviors

    1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

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