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Terrifying, Unacceptable Terms of Surrender in Same Sex ‘Marriage’ Battle

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By now many informed individuals, liberal company excluded, have heard the discouraging news that Ross Douthat, the lone conservative holdout at the New York Times, has recently thrown in the towel on the national same-sex “marriage” debate. In his recent column, The Terms of Our Surrender, he grimly declares defeat and states, “All that’s left is the timing of the final victory — and for the defeated to find out what settlement the victors will impose.” Remember, though, the same kind of thing was also said about abortion in the aftermath of the Roe v. Wade decision, but the debate continues to rage, and the pro-life position has actually gained ground in recent years.

He also foolishly frames this surrender as punishment, not persecution, for Christians who “far too often chose intolerance” against homosexuals. But if such statements are designed to arouse the sympathies of the virulent homosexual activists, don’t waste your breath, Mr. Douthat. You will receive little mercy from the anti-male/female marriage extremists—They’re not planning on being big-hearted any time soon, for they have ice flowing through their veins.

Although I adamantly reject the premise of Douthat’s analysis, it is still a very eye-opening exercise to consider what the likely fallout of Douthat’s proposed surrender would be if we as individuals or a nation were to unwisely heed his counsel.

And don’t take my word for it—Let’s allow the vicious homosexual activists to speak for themselves on this matter. Instead, of being accused (as I will anyway) of putting words into their mouths, let’s give them enough rope to hang themselves, as they most assuredly will, by considering their own vitriol. And by the way, these are their words specifically in response to Douthat’s NYT’s column.

Two recent articles written by Mark Joseph Stern (Slate) and John Saul (Huffington Post) reveal what the homo-fascists have in mind and what they would love to sadistically do to those who have been, or still are, in opposition them.

Seeing right through Douthat’s kiss-up “punishment” comment, Mark Joseph Stern is not in a charitable mood, and he has no room for any of Douthat’s groveling for the generous treatment of Christians. Sensing blood in the water, Stern lambasts Douthat and Christians for their “disgusting raw hatred” and “base bigotry,” and instructs his sycophantic followers to “make ‘homophobes’ the real victims.” Trafficking in his own actual religious bigotry, Stern’s contempt for anyone who holds to a moral view of marriage is palpable, and his plans are retaliatory in nature.

John Saul, on the other hand, is much more pointed in his obviously hateful remarks:

“Somehow, it had never occurred to me that there should be any negotiation when it comes to bigotry, let alone any kind of “settlement.” Sorry, Ross, but it doesn’t work that way…and we don’t have to tolerate the rest of your bigotry”

In a mocking tirade of against Christianity, the ever sardonic Saul also scoffs at the idea that “the rest of us (the liberal extremists)… are supposed to give this minority of dunces all the respect they think they deserve.”

Then, after another scathing rant about religion being nothing more than superstition, Saul offers this measly and sarcastic concession as the only “gracious” term of surrender that he’s willing to grant: “Even my own atheism has a tiny chance of being wrong. (I’m not sure I really believe that, but at least I’m willing to toss you a crumb. Take it as your “settlement.”)

“And don’t think,” Saul menacing threatens, “we won’t keep trying to eradicate the rest of your bigotry, either.”

There is not one ounce of tolerance from either Stern or Saul in what amounts to a zero-sum game for them. And that’s why Douthat’s article isn’t worth the “paper” it’s written on. Douthat is either absolutely uninformed or willfully ignorant when it comes to the pernicious aims of the homosexual “movement,” but there is absolutely NO excuse for either of those possibilities. All anyone has to do is to look around, open their eyes, and see what’s happening everywhere across this country with increasing and horrifying regularity. True American rights and freedoms are being trampled underfoot by the bullies of decadence.  

The homo-maniacal plans for all traditionalists sound quite unpleasant, not to mention being a clear violation of our First Amendment rights. Ah, heck, while the homosexual hordes are busy burning the “Reichstag,” why not throw in the U.S. Constitution, and the Declaration of the Independence for good measure, as a little more fuel on the “gay rights” fire … since we’re apparently not using them anymore. A scorched earth policy is certainly the order of the day for this new breed of homo-fascists.   

There are apparently no plans for some sort of Geneva Convention for the moral non-conformist prisoners-of-war.Little or no mercy will be shown to true Christians and the remaining conservative pockets of resistance. It will either be full capitulation to the homosexual agenda…or it will be re-education, incarceration, bankruptcy, marginalization, and state-sanctioned ridicule…or worse…are there any available cattle cars around? That’s what Stern, Farrell and many of their ilk would love to see happen should they get their wicked way. Chillingly, there are many just like these two Leftist publishers of perversity, and they have the money of Hollywood, the megaphone of the media, the muscle of a rogue judiciary, and the might of a corrupted government to back them up. And Douthat’s cowardly concession will only serve to inflame the anti-morality fascists, as if they needed any more help.  

Ultimately, the point is this: Surrender should never be an option for two very abundantly clear reasons. First, there is the unmistakable clarion call of God to uphold and defend his moral and biblical standards in civil society. For history has unmistakably shown that no nation or culture has long remained strong and vibrant after abandoning their moral underpinnings. Second, for those like Douthat who might remotely consider the imprudent possibility of cowardly capitulation, Stern and Saul have made their sinister schemes of subjugation for the Christians and all moral traditionalists abundantly clear, and it isn’t pretty. It’s flat out frightening!

The resolute words of Winston Churchill in his Blood, Sweat and Tears speech, ringing in my ears right now, are quite apropos to the moment at hand:

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

That’s the attitude and spirit of a victor, and that’s also why the Allied powers beat the Gestapo then, and we, if we too remain united, can beat the “gay”-stapo today!

Considering all of the heinous plans of the militant homosexuals (above), I for one will certainly not consider conceding a single inch of ground to the abhorrent “gay” agenda. The lovers of God and his truth shall never surrender, no matter what the Douthat’s of the world may say! He might be willing to raise the white flag of surrender, but the faithful followers of Christ will keep His banner lifted high!

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  • John

    Mr Allen, nobody cares whether or not whether or not you concede one inch of ground to the fight for equality. Your opinion is for naught

    • RhondaStar

      It’s not for naught. I guarantee that this burns the butts of the homosexuals who want full capitulation so they don’t have to be confronted with the perversity of their lifestytle.

      • John

        Doesnt burn the butts of anyone. You and your ilk have conjured up this fantasy notion of homosexuals wanting or needing your approval…….HUGE FAIL. But keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Soon enough marriage equality will be nationwide whether you like it or not. Their marriages will be legal and valid. Your opinions are just that..opinions.

        • RhondaStar

          The way that the homosexuals squeal like a stuck pig with every perceived sleight and groups like GLAAD try to silence all voices of dissent, tells me everything I need to know about the repressive goals of the homosexual agenda.

          • John

            blah, blah, blah homosexual agenda. Blah, blah, blah silence dissent. Blah, blah, blah persecution….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..

        • Dennis Hitchcock

          you and your ilk have conjured up this fantasy that all who oppose the homosexual agenda are homophobes who must accept the spewings of your whims as a constitutional right.Tell me. Why so heterophobic? We will NOT capitulate

      • barbaro70

        Rhonda, see my post above. I am glad that someone else is picking up on “the perversity” of the homosexuals pathetic attempts to imitate normal people in their intimacy, on what the genitals were designed for. By repeating this over and over, every single time that the homosexuals and their homosexualist masters whine about equal rights, we can defeat them, because their whining is based on filthy, sick practices and it has to be exposed.

        • John

          HAhahahahahahahaha! So if you say enough times it will come true? Ok Dorothy. You do realize that more heterosexuals have the same type of sexual intimacy? Clean your own back yard before starting on others

          • barbaro70

            John, if you think that what heterosexuals have the same type of intimacy as homosexuals and it is a problem for you or for society, YOU WORK ON THAT. We will continue to work on the homosexual problem and informing widely it.

        • vorpal

          Ooooh! You said *I*, admitting that there is an individual sitting behind that keyboard and not some collective of personalities. I knew there was a disturbed human being somewhere in all that barbarian nonsense.

    • thisoldspouse

      You’re vicious post just confirmed everything Allan conveyed in his article, and that fact went right over your head.

      • John

        Not vicious..just the truth. Spewing insults and falsehoods isnt very becoming of a preacher.

        • thisoldspouse

          There is nothing false that you can prove he stated. You just hate the facts, and so you portray them as “falsehoods.”

        • Matthew T. Mason

          Care to tell us just what the falsehoods are?

          And be prepared to back it up with links.

  • SecularPatriot

    A rainbow and a swastika?

    And you wonder why you guys are considered a hate group.

    • thisoldspouse

      The Swastika is claimed by your side. We’re just exposing it.

      • John

        You and your ilk are the only ones bringing up Hitler and Nazi’s in your arguments. Try a new approach for a change! The only thing that you’re exposing is yourself for all to see. Another major fail….

      • SecularPatriot

        That is not helping your argument.

        • Matthew T. Mason

          What argument needs help? Homosexual activists are using BOTH rainbows AND swastikas and you call US a hate group for mentioning it?

          That’s as dishonest as calling people bigots just because they have the nerve to say they are proud to be a heterosexual.

          This falls in line with what I have been for the longest time: People are not allowed to disagree with homosexuals or the homosexual agenda in any way. We are being told we WILL accept them as if it’s some kind of an edict.

          This is your wake-up call. I will NOT comply. Period.

          • SecularPatriot

            This is your wake-up call. I will NOT comply. Period.

            I don’t think anyone is asking you to accept, just treat equally.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            And you actually believe that? Honestly? Because I can assure you that is NOT the experience of ANY Christian I am aware of.

          • SecularPatriot

            Tell me, what arduous discrimination have you undergone?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Did you even bother to read the article?

            *facepalm*

          • SecularPatriot

            I reread the article just for you, and as I recalled there is not one single example of exactly what the hypothetical (author speaks about the future) “bigotry” and discrimination will.

            1000+ words of hyperbolic rhetoric and accusations and not a single specific example. Pretty typical propaganda.

            Try again. Do you have any examples of discrimination that has occurred?

          • Rick L.

            The very fact that you think homosexual activists (whatever those are) have claimed swastikas, shows your lack of participation in reality.

      • Rick L.

        Who… what?

  • David

    Sir you are seriously disturbed. I do not deny that the more radical fringe of the gay communities is out for blood and domination. But articles like yours are just as fanatical and dangerous in the other direction. You fall just short of suggesting those you call Christians start fighting back with weapons. Fact is, you don’t represent most Christians or most conservatives any more than the radical gay fringe represents most LGBT folk. You both are equally dangerous, equally full of lies and equally evil. The only church you serve is the church of satan.

    • Martin Rizley

      What in the world are you talking about? Your accusations are totally baseless. Nowhere does this writer come anywhere close to urging lovers of freedom to fight against radical leftists with weapons of steel. But he rightly sees that we are in a culture war, and as in a war, there is a ‘winning’ side and a ‘losing’ side– unless the two sides can find some sort of compromise position. But compromise is never possible between lovers of liberty and lovers of tyranny (who are anti-Constitution, anti-free speech, anti-freedom of religion). Thus, advocates of freedom must win, and advocates of tyranny must lose. Moreover, in this battle, weapons of a certain sort are obviously needed, for as the saying goes– “The pen is mightier than the sword.” The apostle Paul used military imagery to speak of spiritual battles that must be fought with spiritual weaponry, to save a nation from self-destruction (Ephesians 6).

      • David

        “lovers of freedom”? right, as long as everyone does things your way. What freedom do you offer gay folk, or non-Christians? Absolutely none, it’s your way or none at all. What you call compromise is really letting people be who they want to be. The war is between extremists at either end and people who just want to live their lives be they Christian, LGBT or whatever are getting pummeled. You have no right to tell people how to live their lives and neither do the gay activists. Don’t bother claiming what you represent is American, or Christian or good – the actions and words show the opposite and the results are destructive.

        • Martin Rizley

          Marriage is not just a private, but a public, institution.. What you are advocating is that the government use the force of law to compel people to view or treat homosexual relationships in a certain way– as if they constituted legitimated marriages. That is tyranny, plain and simple. Why should people be forced by the government to recognize the moral legitimacy of a certain lifestyle? Even Mr. Obama didn’t regard such relationships as entitled to the legal benefits of marriage , until just before his re-election, when he came out claiming he had ‘evolved’ on this issue. Was he an extremist before the last election, since he was not sure yet about ‘letting people be who they want to be’ by your definition? Don’t forget that it was under Clinton’s administration DOMA was signed, and that by a majority of both Republicans and Democrats. It is just pure silliness to say that this is all about giving people freedom to live their lives as they choose. This is not about giving freedom but taking freedom away– the freedom of Christians to live their daily lives and run their businesses in accordance with their deeply held religious principles and moral convictions. People like yourself want to take that freedom away.

          • David

            excuse me Martin there is not one sentence in anything I have written here that in anyway even slightly implies that I support Christians being told how to run their daily lives or businesses. You are making assumptions based on the fact that I disagree with the way some Christians are out to bulldoze THEIR beliefs on others. I oppose that from any group period. I also never mentioned same sex marriage but in reply to first sentence your view of other’s relationships is meaningless to any but you and how you treat them is like a civilized person who respects other people. And you should be able to expect the same from others. You really should learn to read the words other’s write and not what you think they say based on faulty assumptions.

          • Martin Rizley

            Are you saying, then, that you believe that florists, bakers, photographers, innkeepers, and other people who provide wedding services should have the freedom to say ‘no’ to business propositions that violate their religious and moral convictions? Because if not, then you are advocating a double standard of ”freedom.” No one, before LGBT activists started to sue people for not providing services for same-sex celebrations, was causing any trouble for homosexuals by suing them or hauling them out of their bedrooms before a court of law. The aggression and intolerance has been entirely one-sided, and it has come entirely from LGBT activists, who have aggressively tried to convince the general populace that society must ‘approve’ or ‘recognize’ as legitimate marriages relationships based on what our forefathers called “the infamous crime against nature”– sodomy. No society should feel obliged to bow to those imperious demands. Marriage laws for thousands of years have been based on the commonly held recognition that the only legitimate context for human sexual expression is heterosexual marriage. All other contexts are immoral, and society has no obligation to sanction those relationships by treating them as if they were worthy of the name, legal status or benefits of marriage. That is not persecution; that is society feeling free to base its laws on commonly agreed principles of what is right, moral, just, and true– and in harmony with the prior demands of natural law, the interests of children, and the preservation of society itself. Recognition of natural law as the foundation of our civil law lies at the heart of our American system of government.

          • David

            Yes those who providing wedding services should be allowed the freedom not to participate and the lawsuits are wrong. As far as the aggression, I don’t recall ever reading about Christians being institutionalized, subjected to twisted therapies including electroshock and lobotomies in order to “cure” them. In the US how many Christians have been beaten, murdered, thrown out of their family homes, fired or otherwise ostracised for simply existing. The aggression against gay folk goes back to well before there was even talk of same sex marriage. And some Christians still justify such behavior and advocate punishment for something that is none of their business. Perhaps if people hadn’t been denied access to their loved ones in hospitals, shut of of property they shared when one died and all the other idiot things that happened to them there wouldn’t have been the push for the change in marriage laws. Natural law is a bogus argument, used to justify racism, the domination of women and child abuse among other things. The church has one argument – that homosexual behavior is a sin, that’s it. The rest is based on lies, exaggerations and hallucinations. And since it’s not the gov’ts place to say what is sin and what isn’t, that argument holds no weight concerning legal protections for families that you disagree with. Should you have to participate, adamantly no. Do you have to tolerate, yup. No where did Jesus say “go ye into all the world and dominate through govt’ intervention”. Perhaps the church should focus on spreading the Gospel of Christ which is what it is charged with doing. Have a nice evening.

          • Martin Rizley

            Sodom and Gomorrah were not part of the community of God’s people. They were a pagan society whose social structure was in no way based on written scripture or written, detailed code of law given by divine revelation. It was not a theocracy in a special covenant relationship with God, like Israel under the Law of Moses. But it was nevertheless judged by God for its great wickedness, for it violated the law of justice and equity that is written on the heart of all nations and all men by nature. That is what is meant by the term ‘natural law,’ and though you may regard the concept as ‘bogus,’ there is no question that it lies at the very heart of our American conception of justice, for our nation was founded on the principle that tyrants must be resisted because they refuse to govern in a way that recognizes natural, God-given rights and natural law. The colonists justified resistance to King George III on that very basis, so there is no reasons why, as Americans, we must now jettison the concept of natural law, just because homosexuals want us to rewrite marriage laws that have no relation whatsoever to “the laws of nature and nature’s God.” A government ‘big enough’ to redefine marriage in a way that allows two men or two women to marriage each other may just as well allow marriages based on polygamy, polyandry, polyamory, pedophilia, incest. Why should our American society be compelled to recognize such relationships as legitimate marriages? Why should it abandon the self-evident principles of morality in order to base on marriage laws on the sexual predilections of each individual, no matter how unnatural or destructive of the social order? You are confusing the role of the church and the state. Governments should not try to do the church’s work by teaching the gospel and enforcing the law of Christ by compelling citizens to worship the true and living God. But they should base laws that concern the relationship of human beings with each other on “the laws of nature and nature’s God” revealed through the creation itself, and discernible to right reason and common sense. Throw out natural law, and you lay the ground for tyranny, as every one of our revolutionary forefathers would have acknowledged.

        • Dennis Hitchcock

          The freedom to go to another bakery/florist/photographer/minister for services to a gay wedding.

          • David

            I wasn’t really talking about that, I happen to agree that if one who provides services does not want to be part of a same sex wedding the couple should go elsewhere.

      • SecularPatriot

        Your accusations are totally baseless. Nowhere does this writer come anywhere close to urging lovers of freedom to fight against radical leftists with weapons of steel.

        The article is accompanied by a swastika and a rainbow, thereby associating probably the most hated group of the last 100 years with gays.

        Yeah. The author ain’t dealing with a full deck.

      • Rick L.

        Oh Martin… sit down, crack a beer, relax. Not everything has to have winners and losers. If you insist however, you can lose.

        • Martin Rizley

          In the battle the forces of freedom and tyranny, there are always winners and losers– especially this battle brought on by litigious homofascists that are doing all in their power to outlaw free speech and free religious expression in America in the public square– in our public schools, in our businesses, in the universities, in counseling offices, and in the military. Before long, they may do what some in Canada have already tried to do– dictate to religious schools what they must teach about religion! No, sir, I won’t relax regarding this issue. I believe eternal vigilance is the price of freedom; and freedom is definitely under attack in the United States by domestic enemies that hate our culture and way of life.

          • Rick L.

            You do realize that the fact of this article, and your awareness of the current lawsuits wafting their way through the courts, moots your point? There are only three possibilities. 1. Whatever homofascist are, they don’t know how to outlaw free speech or, 2. Are too small a minority to do what you suggest or, 3. Aren’t really about restricting free speech. Take your pick.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      Then who do YOU represent? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say nobody but yourself.

    • thisoldspouse

      David,
      Then you tell us how we deal with the radical fringe of the gay community out for blood and domination.

      • Rick L.

        O.K. look, I’ll admit the domination thing a time or two in the privacy of my own home, but blood? Wow. That’s way too panicky and shrill for serious consideration.

      • pleasebereasonable

        LOL!..maybe Pray……..

  • barbaro70

    Jeff, this is a great article, very inspiring. However, we have to remind everyone what the basic homosexual problem is: Homosexuals and homosexuality are sterile–it is that simple, because then, in an effort to appear normal–that is their obsession–to themselves, to their partners, to normal people, they then attempt, pathetically, to imitate normal people in their intimacy, and instead of producing babies, they produce and spread disease and die early. God, or evolution as some prefer, designed the genitals for complementary use, for mutual use, and homosexuals and their homosexualist masters, “elitist” and “progressive” as they are, insist that what in normal people are called sex organs but can´t be called that in homosexuals because they are not used for sex, can be used to kill each other–the CDC has it all documented nicely.

    • John

      1. Homosexuals have the same life span as anyone else. That was a Paul Cameron lie which has been debunked. 2. Homosexuals have no desire to “be like you or anyone else. 3. Procreation is not a prerequisite for marriage 4. Why are you so fascinated by what people do in their bedrooms??? Pitiful.

      • barbaro70

        No, John, homosexuals do not have the same life span as anyone else–that is what the homosexulist masters tell them but that is not what CDC tells them: They die 20 or so years sooner than normal people, we can´t do all of your research for you–go to CDC and check it out. And if you don´t believe the CDC, ask Marshie Madsden and Huntie Kirk (PROFESSORS AT HARVARD!!!) and H. Scottie Hitt (CLINTON´S AIDS ADVISOR, HOW IRONIC)–oh wait, they´re dead, AROUND 50 YEARS OLD OR SO, AND OF SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR REAR ENDS, COLON CANCER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? How sad, such promise, but they knew what they were doing, they were in constant contact with the CDC.

        Homosexuals wanting to be able to marry another homosexual is wanting to be like everyone else; the two children, the golden retriever, the two SUVs, the white picket fence–yup, just like everyone else.

        Procreation is certainly not a prerequisite for marriage, and who said it was? Read our material carefully.

        We are not at all fascinated by what people do in their bedrooms, but we are cetainly fascinated by the disease that homosexuals produce and spread FROM their bedrooms–knowing perfectly well that they are killing themselves, which affects all of us in the taxes that pay for cleaning the homosexual mess up. It is indeed pitiful that homosexuals, egged on by their homosexualist masters and knowing the dangers insist on their perversions.

        • John

          The CDC says nothing about a homosexuals lifespan being shorter than a heterosexuals lifespan. Perpetuating lies is all that you’re doing. Link to the data about shortened lifespans please. This has been proven false many times. Oh, here we go with the marriage to dogs, children and inanimate objects…really? Once again just for you…..marriage requires the consent of all parties and neither animals, nor children, nor other objects can give consent. How old are you? This isnt a place for children.

          • barbaro70

            The CDC has extensive information on the shortened life expectancy of homosexuals. Also the Journal of Epidemiology, the National Center for Biotechnology Information/National Institutes of Health, and many other organizations but we don´t have time to do your work for you. There is no question that homosexuals and their lib/lefty homosexualist masters have attempted to get these organizations to hide or deny this information, but its there. Just pick up the obituaries of a San Fransicko newpaper any day of the week and you´ll see it. And, unfortunately for you there are prominent homosexuals who know, that is KNEW, about the fatal health problems that homosexual practices produce, but they are dead now, at very young ages: Bill Clinton´s AIDS advisor, DOCTOR H. Scott Hitt, Hunter Madsden and Marshall Kirk, both professors at Harvard, and a lot more–something has to convince you, if common sense doesn´t, that the digestive tract isn´t intended to be reamed out and save yourself from fatal colon problems if not AIDS.

          • John

            There are no studies indicating a homosexuals life is any shorter than any other person’s lifespan. You are only spouting nonsense in the absnce of any factual informatiojn. The higher rate of suicide has been attributed to the oppression that the gay community has suffered over the years at the hands of christian extremists. BTW your OBSESSION with gay sex isn’t normal unless you are also gay. Hmmmm

          • barbaro70

            you have not made any serious attempt to find the studies that definitively prove that the homosexual perversions produce early death, AS IF COMMON SENSE, WHICH IS, IS NOT ENOUGH, you simply see what your homosexualist masters tell you to see, or what you want to see that has no bad news about your perversions in it

            hey, ask Marshie Kirk or Huntie Madsden or DOCTOR R. Scottie Hitt, M.D., Clinton´s AIDS advisor–they know about that stuff. Oh, what? They are dead? Oh, my, so young too. Well, did they die in an accident, from a ruptured appendix, in a bar fight–no, they died from problems with their colons. Oh, oh. Maybe we better not talk about what they died from

            our obsession is not with homosexual sex–there is nothing “gay” about sticking your p3nis in your buddy´s digestive tract; rather our obsession is with the diseases that homosexuals produce and spread, then become victims of their own diseases, incur huge medical bills paid for by American taxpayers, and all because homosexuals are sterile and in a futile and pathetic attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy commit various perversions that, as already expressed, produce and spread disease and then languish in hospitals paid for by the American taxpayers

            hmmmm

          • John

            Nopers. Just more drivel and lies. The CDC has never said anything about shortened life spans in the homosexual community. You are lying. Doesnt that go against your creators wishes?

          • barbaro70

            1. CDC stands for Centers for Disease Control; the homosexual disease AIDS is a disease, obviously; the CDC has an interest in it because homosexuals engage in perversions that produce and spread AIDS in them and others and the CDC wants to figure out why homosexuals, egged on by their homosexualist masters, want to commit suicide by getting AIDS–we´re not talking about the extremist San Fransicko homosexuals (there is little or no hope for them), only the run of the mill homosexuals, and how to, if possible eliminate that suicidal tendency or at least reduce it, because of the tremendous cost that normal people as taxpayers have to pay to clean up the homosexual messes caused by their diseases, not just AIDS.

            2. Homosexuals and their homosexualist masters are very eager to jump to conclusions, any time, any place, and that is why they are considered hysterical, scattered brain, whiners, etc, etc, etc and no one pays attention to their demands any more: And we mean that you have absolutely no logical justification to make a reference to our creator or our creator´s wishes. In fact we make a point of avoiding anything that can classify us as moralists or religionists–the secular argument against the homosexual perversion of normal folks´ intimacy is quite enough to take care of the homosexual problem, but only if it is presented every time a homosexual or his homosexualist master whines, as you are doing in this thread, and I am referring to the homosexuals´ pathetic attempt to replicate normal people´s intimacy by sticking their p3nises up their friends´ (that´s plural) anus3s (again, plural).

          • vorpal

            barbaro70: Instead of wasting your time posting the same drivel again and again, perhaps you could take ten seconds to retrieve the link to the study by the CDC that you supposedly read that illustrates shortened lifespans for gay men and post it? I’m assuming that you can’t, because it doesn’t exist. (Hint: I have searched for it extensively before, and could find nothing. In other words, you’re just repeating nonsense you heard and never confirmed yourself as if it is truth, which it most certainly isn’t.)

            Could you also explain to us exactly what a “homosexualist master” is? I have been gay for 36 years and never in that time have I met an honest-to-goodness master. What qualifications does one need for this position? If homosexuality uses a belt system like karate, I must admit that I have been left out in the dark and will be most unimpressed with my fellow homosexuals.

            As for homosexual sex, we have no trouble finding intimacy with each other, and many of us don’t engage in anal sex. (For example, my wonderful husband of 10 years and I do not.) If not for same-sex marriage in Canada, we would not have been able to be together, as we are a binational couple (he being American, and I being Canadian).

            FWIW, I support your right to disapprove of homosexuality and think it is a sin all you like. However, that does not give you the right to legally have me and my relationship treated as second-class. Christians have taken this opportunity to expose themselves as hatemongers again and again and again and have continued to shoot themselves in the feet. You don’t have to approve of homosexuality in any way, shape, or form, but that doesn’t give you the right to withhold civil rights from my husband and I.

          • barbaro70

            hey, vorp: it´s all there but your lib/lefty/homosexual eyes don´t want to see it

            don´t bother telling us what to post or not or what to waste ten seconds on–we know what we have to do to take care of the homosexual and homosexualist whining

            your homosexualist masters are the libs/lefties who egg you on for their political purposes

            that´s right, you and your homosexual buddy don´t engage in anal penetration (not anal sex, because that brutality is not sex, it is perversion of sex), and there is no other homosexual except those extremists in San Fransicko who will admit to it, but the CDC knows better

            where have we ever call homosexuality a sin? read our material a little more carefully, you have no basis to call us Christians, or Budhists, or Mohammedans, or Zoroastrians, or anything except people who know that homosexuals pervert normal people´s intimacy and on the basis of just that want special rights
            in fact we´ve said that we do not need to put the solution to the homosexual problem in moral terms, just using your eyeballs, your common sense, your intuition will tell you what the basic problem with homosexuals and homosexuality is, the sterility which frustrates homosexuals so that they try desperately to imitate the intimacy of normal people and fail utterly, and instead of babies produce and spread disease and die early

            you are not second class, but your relationship, if you can call it that, is not second class but zero class

            we are not withholding any civil rights from you and your buddy

          • vorpal

            Are you done with your screechy little condescending bit of nonsense? Yes? Good. Now go take a time out in the corner, reread what you’ve said a few times, and perhaps you’ll be able to realize on your own why it’s entirely idiotic nonsense without me having to take the time to point it out to you step-by-step.

            Anyways, yes, you’ve proven that you’re little more than a tiny rabid chihuahua frothing at the mouth with your right-wing anti-gay idiocy, barking and snapping in every direction in an attempt to do as much damage as possible, when the reality of the situation is that you’re just so gosh-darn cute when you think you’re being all vicious and tough. There, there, princess. Have a cookie.

          • barbaro70

            what can we say but that homosexuality being sterile, homosexuals being sterile are the reasons for the homosexual frustration in attempting to imitate normal people in their sexual activities and for their whining for special attention, admiration, rights

            no, we are not done, and we will not be done until everyone understands why the homosexuals commit their perversion of normal human reproduction, the frustration that leads homosexuals to commit perversions that end up killing them, if they don´t commit suicide themselves–kind of ironic

          • vorpal

            Oh, toots… you’re not too bright. I’m homosexual, and last I checked, I’m not sterile in the slightest. I have a fully functional reproductive system sitting right between my legs and could have children if I wanted to.

            As for “attempting to imitate normal people in their sexual activities”, are you talking about the perhaps 0.05% of sexual activity that a heterosexual has in their lives with the intent of actually reproducing, or are you talking about the other 99.95% of the sexual activity they have for totally non-reproductive purposes? I know it’s a little hard for right-wingers with your one bit CPU to fathom, but many activities that humans engage in serve more than one purpose or fulfill more than one need, just like some body parts can be used for multiple functions. For example, we eat for nutrition, but we also spend a lot of time and money to make eating pleasurable (which is entirely unnecessary), and often engage in meals in a way that has social benefits as well.

            So yes, when my hubby and I have sex, it isn’t because we want to be like the exotic heterosexual boys and girls at all, but because we are simply being human in that we enjoy affirming our love, relationship, and monogamous commitment to one another, feeling close, and bringing each other pleasure.

            Last I checked, the only people whining for special “rights” are the Christians who somehow think that if they’re not allowed to say no to selling gay people cake and flowers and actively have the special right to discriminate against them, they’re somehow being forced to “promote” homosexuality and being denied their freedom to practice religion (because, apparently, selling cake to homosexuals somehow violates god’s commandments). I don’t see gay people whining about their rights; we just actively pursue them like mature adults do.

            If you actually did any research (of which you’ve shown yourself time and time again to be entirely incapable, choosing instead to parrot right-wing misconceptions with no basis in reality like a good little idiot), you’d know that once gay people overcome the social stigma that bigoted trash like you heap upon them from childhood, they are no more likely to kill themselves than anyone else. It’s vulnerable LGBT youth that are primarily at risk, which is precisely why we fight bigoted trash like you: because unlike you, we actually DO care about the welfare of children.

          • barbaro70

            hey, vorpie: you have just confirmed that homosexuality and homosexuals are sterile,

            “COULD HAVE CHILDREN IF I WANTED TO”

            there it is folks, vorpie is sterile, homosexuals are sterile, homosexuality is sterile

            as to what homosexuals attempt to imitate but fail pathetically, we are referring to the intimacy that has kept the human race going these many, many years

            as to body parts being used for “multiple functions,” let´s talk about the homosexuals´ p3nises ripping apart their friends anuses and rectums/colons and they dying from it and other filthy diseases–HOW SMART IS THAT? and how much pleasure was Dr H Scott Hitt, MD brought by his friend who, ultimately, killed him, and we should say friend or friendS, that is, plural, as homosexuals are notorious for their voraciousness–not you, of course, vorpie, you´ve been using the same servicer for, did you say, 158 years?

          • vorpal

            Me: “I’m not sterile in the slightest”

            barbarian70: “you have just confirmed that homosexuality and homosexuals are sterile,”

            Wow. Massive reading comprehension fail. Is the grey matter between your ears actually brain tissue or just lint?

            Dr Scott Hitt died of colon cancer. What does that have to do with his friend(s) killing him?

            Oh, barbaro70, you think you’re so clever but really, you’re indistinguishable from a little rabid chihuahua who had his kibbles taken away.

          • barbaro70

            hey, vorpie, please pay attention then you won´t make silly responses

            you: “could have children if I wanted to” means that you are sterile

            DOCTOR H. Scottie Hit, M.D. died because his buddy ripped his anus and rectum/colon up and produced terrible conditions that then ended in death–did his obituary say that? heck no, the pinko/lib/lefty “journalists” in LA are not capable of reporting facts about homosexuals

            “colon cancer” in a homosexual provides better odds than a sleeper racehorse that it was the frustration at the pathetic attempt to imitate normal folks that did it

          • vorpal

            barbaro70 said:

            you: “could have children if I wanted to” means that you are sterile

            Again with the reading comprehension issues! This trend becomes even more clear with respect to your issues with Dr. Scott Hitt. I see the following or some variation therein everywhere I search:

            “Hitt practiced as an AIDS doctor until 2000. He had been diagnosed with colon cancer a year earlier. While he battled cancer, Hitt also started a foundation to promote activism in the LGBT community.”

            Given that you seem to believe you’re in possession of “special knowledge” regarding the good doctor despite everything pointing to colon cancer, I can only assume that you’re suffering from some form of schizoaffective disorder or possibly, given your behaviour elsewhere in this discussion, histrionic personality disorder.

            I’m seriously beginning to question whether I’m having a conversation with an adult human or a goat with a learning disability. These concepts are not hard even for children to grasp, but they seem to be flying clear over your head and I’m not sure why that is the case.

            There are people out there who can probably help you with your learning disability, although your sociopathy / schizoaffective PD / histrionic PD (I’m not sure which, possibly all three) is probably something you’re just going to have to learn to deal with, unfortunately, as there is no known cure.

            As for this drivel:

            “”colon cancer” in a homosexual provides better odds than a sleeper racehorse that it was the frustration at the pathetic attempt to imitate normal folks that did it”

            I think you might want to check your brain for metastasized colon cancer, my dear barbaro70, because something is askew up there. Despite how much we’ve enjoyed laughing at you up until now, my husband and I – try as we might – could not make heads or tails of that.

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpal, did you not indicate previously that you were going to go away and stop with the ridiculous responses and uncharitable insults? Please do that, because you are only proving the hysteria, the desperation of homosexuals, and that is why no one pays attention to the homosexual whining.

            Mr Vorpal, how many children has your husband impregnated you with? None, right? So you are sterile.

            And, Mr Vorpal, you know that “journalists” will never publish the facts about the circumstances of death in prominent homosexuals? What a coincidence, Hitt gets it in the rear every day and dies of colon cancer, plain old colon cancer. Yes, indeed.

          • vorpal

            Oh, Barbarian70, I guess I just can’t quit you so easily.
            I’m actually quite capable of adult discussion, but I didn’t want you to feel alienated, so I’ve attempted to tailor the conversation to accommodate your mental deficiencies.

            Yes, Babar70, there is a giant homosexualistististist master masteristist master conspiracy afoot, running rampant through the liberal media! Get your aluminum foil hat while there’s still time, my sweet!

          • barbaro70

            desperation from vorpal, Ph3, Cp40

            has nothing to refute the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals as the basis for the homosexual frustration, the homosexual problem that is plaguing normal people, that is plaguing society

          • vorpal

            LOL the “homosexual frustration”? You are a GEM, barbaro70! Can I have you bronzed with a drawstring installed, so that I can pull you out at parties and have you blither forth delightfully anti-gay quips for the amusement of all those invited?

          • barbaro70

            yes, the documented homosexual frustration in not being able to stick their penises up peoples´ rear ends and produce babies, producing instead disease, spreading the disease, and dying 20 years or so early–THAT frustration

            so, the next best thing is to get a woman to use a turkey baster to get pregnant and give the homosexual and his friend a baby that they then claim is theirs, but really the mother is not one of the homosexuals and the father is a turkey baster

            no, we don´t go to parties where we could catch a disease–thanks anyway

          • vorpal

            Barbaro70, Jesus might hate you, but the laughter you’ve given me may well have added years to my life, canceling out any shortening effects from the big bad homosexuality knocking at my behind (quite literally), so I thank you for that and I love you dearly. Waking up every day to comment notifications of “HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY” and “HOMOSEXUAL FRUSTRATION” just titillates my mental g-spot, as it were.

            Next Thanksgiving, I will christen our turkey baster “Barbaro” in honour of you. We will enjoy drinking in your self-righteous juices then even more than now.

          • barbaro70

            Dr. Vorpal, your post immediately above is incoherent and only shows the desperation of not being able to defend the filthy perversions that homosexuals practice to attempt the imitation of normal people in their tried and true intimacy.

            You can christen your turkey baster anything you want, it has absolutely no effect on us. If you intended that as an insult, we don´t see how it could be, and it has no effect except to show, once again, that you and all vociferous homosexuals are desperate.

          • vorpal

            I am only desperately in love with the charm and panache you bring with you to these hallowed halls of knowledge, Barbarians.

          • barbaro70

            your last few posts show real defensiveness, real weakness

            maybe your need to go find someone else´s feces to roll around in, or get, or give, a little of that anal penetration that you enjoy so much

          • vorpal

            I am only weak in the knees with laughter at how far gone you are, my cherub.

          • barbaro70

            yes, you have attempted to show that you don´t care about the homosexual sterility and its deadly results, but it doesn´t work–there isn´t an active homosexual alive who doesn´t live wondering when his filthy practices catch up to him and kill him

          • vorpal

            I can assure you that I don’t spend my days wondering how my monogamous marriage to my husband is suddenly going to invite THE HOMOSEXUAL DISEASES into my life.

          • barbaro70

            apologies, apologies: we KNOW that YOU do not love to roll around in other people´s feces or love anal penetration–it is the OTHER homosexual vorpal, the one that lives in San Fransicko

            no, no: we KNOW that you are not like the other riff raff homosexuals who act like animals–giraffes, actually, and end up in the morgue, one more CDC stat

            we know that you are pure as the driven snow and only engage in anal penetration if it is done right

            just too good, too funny

          • vorpal

            I’ve never been to California.

            And you can keep repeating what you say ad nauseam. I have been entirely honest with you. I don’t know why this is difficult for you to believe.

          • barbaro70

            so you are one in a million, a gazillion? a trillion-gazillion? anyway you have nothing to worry about, sure, yes we understand, of course, certainly, indeed

          • vorpal

            Nope. There are lots of disease-free monogamous long term LGBT couples. Only 4% of LGBT people will contract HIV in their lifetime: a high percentage, to be sure, but still far lower than you’d have us believe.

          • John

            Your ignorance precedes you…LOL. Anal sex doesnt cause colon cancer. Your personal opinions offer deep insight into your little mind booboo70. I get more entertainment from your posts than any others on here…ROTFL!! Keep up whatever it is you call what your doing because it is entertaining on all fronts.

          • barbaro70

            Of COURSE the brutal anal penetration, not anal sex because the word sex is used for the complementary things normal people do in their intimacy, DOES NOT cause colon cancer! The revered homosexual icons who are dropping like flies are dying of…what? hiccups, psoriasis, bad hair cut, strangulation during sex with their many friends, etc, etc, etc. Especially if it is done right, as Mr. Vorpal says.

            Hilarious stuff.

            This is why homosexuals and their homosexualist masters are not taken seriously.

            But the FDA and CDC say otherwise.

          • John

            CDC says zero about this……yawwwwwwn. Nite nite

          • barbaro70

            CDC, NIH, and other serious websites have a lot to say about the disease that homosexuals produce and spread when trying pathetically and failing to imitate normal people in their intimacy, including specifically the brutal anal penetration.

          • John

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….yawwwwwnnnnnnn………

          • barbaro70

            Once again, Dr. Vorpal, that sleeping and yawning are attempts to indicate that you don´t care that rolling around in other people´s feces and getting anal penetration from your friends, and enemies also, we suppose, is fatal, shortens your life and the life of all of the friends that you commit your perversions with, but deep down we know you are devastated that your unhealthy choices make you different from 99% of the people in the world who understand that evolution, or God as some prefer, made your genitals for complementarity, not the brutality of anal penetration, we know that your homosexuality and you as a homosexual are sterile and it absolutely devastates you and all your homosexual partners.

          • John

            Hmm ….still here are you? yawwwwnnnnnnnnnn…………………………………………………..

          • barbaro70

            Yes, John, we are still here and will still be here until folks understand that the basis for the homosexual problem that is plaguing modern society is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality, You can yawn and pretend not to be worried but it is well known that homosexuals live day to day worried about the nasty consequences of their futile, failed, attempts to imitate normal people in their intimacy. At that point, the homosexual whining will cease and homosexuals will go back to modesty, circumspection, discretion.

          • vorpal

            Which revered homosexual icons are you referring to, Barbaro? My homosexualististist master hath commanded me to ask you.

          • barbaro70

            hey, vorpie, don´t waste our time with nonsense questions like that, you people know very well who dies and what of, of course you won´t mention names or diseases in mixed company–you know better than we do who the sickos are

          • vorpal

            You are a doll with four recordings, namely:

            HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY
            HOMOSEXUAL FRUSTRATION
            HOMOSEXUAL WHINING
            HOMOSEXUALIST MASTERS

            Never able to answer a question. Never able to provide any information. Never able to back up your facts. Destined forever to wallow in your own sad idiocy.

          • barbaro70

            The question is, how did 1% of the population, a minority with serious health problems, get to whine for special rights and anyone paid attention to them?

            And the answer is that the lib/lefty homosexualist, using homosexuals for their own selfish, political purposes, cast homosexuals as downtrodden, oppressed.

            We, then, are informing folks that the basis for all of that is the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality, and the failed desire to imitate normal people in their intimacy and instead of producing life, produce death–all of which cancels any claim of rights to special consideration.

          • vorpal

            You’d better adjust those tin foil hats, barbaros. Your scalps are showing, and that means the evil lib-waves and homosexuality energy might be able to bypass your Jesus shield and penetrate your brain.

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpal, your xray vision is not serving you well, not at all. Your attempt at insults are pathetic, you simply don´t know what we are ready for–you stuff is amateur hour. We are doing a great job with great results, and you will know about them soon, related to the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals and the pathetic efforts homosexuals make, encouraged by their homosexualist masters, to attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy, in order to appear normal to themselves, to their partners in the filthy perversions.

          • vorpal

            Wake me up when you begin to make any progress. As it stands, it looks like you’re swimming against a tidal wave that is only building momentum.

            But keep on praying. Maybe it’ll help.

          • barbaro70

            Vorpal, since the press and your homosexualist masters want you to remain ignorant, and do a good job of it, you can´t possibly know the gains that the sterility-of-homosexuality-and-of-homosexuals approach to fixing the homosexual problem has and is getting. But you will find out. Hold on to your wig.

          • vorpal

            Keep on braying and praying, and maybe, like Sarah Silverman says, Jesus is Magic, and your delusional homosexual-free Christian paradise will come to fruition (emphasis on the fruit).

          • barbaro70

            no, we are conducting activities that will not allow homosexuals to force business people to violate their consciences–consider that discrimination if you want but get ready

            nambla and the other homosexual organizations, not to mention just plain old lib/lefty dupes have allowed children to think that maybe they are not normal, and that is what your homosexualist lib/lefty masters want you to repeat, but children are not homosexuals and we will establish conditions that do not allow them to pursue the sterility, the hopelessness of homosexual lives

          • vorpal

            NAMBLA is not a “homosexual organization”.
            Again with the homosexual masters, eh?
            Is the world of delusions you live in ever fun? Does anything happy or pleasant ever happen there, because it seems like a completely paranoid place of misconceptions and unrestrained idiocy?

            Some children are homosexuals. I knew I was gay, for example, at the age of four.

            Repeating over and over that the homosexual life is sterile and hopeless does not make it so: my life is neither sterile nor hopeless. Indeed, it’s pretty damn awesome.

            On the other hand, children are not Christians.

          • barbaro70

            of course nambla is a homosexual organization, nothing less–don´t nitpick, don´t quibble

            at age four you had no capacity to understand sexuality

            you are absolutely correct: repeating over and over that homosexuality and homosexuals are sterile does not make it so

            what makes the statement that homosexuality and homosexuals are sterile so is that when you poke your friend in the a$$ nothing happens, there are no ovaries there, no ovum to be fertilized–it is so frustrating to homosexuals that there is a homosexual surgeon who is studying the possibility of taking a uterus from a brain dead woman and implanting it in a homosexual, talk about desperation

            as to children being, or not being, Christians, we don´t know, so let´s stay on the subject of the foundational aspect of the homosexual problem, the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals

          • vorpal

            barbaro70 said: “We can´t forget the high rates of suicide among homosexuals. Could it be that their compulsion, their addiction to those perversions, and what they truly know about the perversions just make them hopeless?”

            Actually, that’s the bombardment from a young age by messages that something as fundamentally important to a human as our ability to share, experience, and feel love is a disgusting abomination and perversion that must be suppressed or changed.

            Messages like that are EXTREMELY psychologically damaging to an individual, especially when one hears again and again that what they are is wrong and unacceptable.

            And this is why we fight against your mental illness called religion. Demonizing people and psychologically tormenting LGBT youth simply because a 2000ish year old book that you believe was dictated by an imaginary sky tyrant says that homosexuality is wrong is not a valid reason.

            Note that once we get over the effects of YOUR mental illness, most of us go on to live happy, successful, and fulfilling lives and experience no more depression than any other person. I know that my life is extremely rich and satisfying, and I feel absolutely no depression over my homosexuality. Indeed, I am very glad to be gay.

          • barbaro70

            You are really desperate, flailing: We have not said a thing about religion and in fact have indicated that it is not necessary to refer to anything that religion says about homosexuality. We do not demonize GILBERT youth or any acronym homosexual group, youth or otherwise. We repeat that the homosexual frustration in not being normal, in not being able to do what normal people do in intimacy, not producing babies (there is hope for male homosexuals to actually conceive–a homosexual surgeon has reported on his study of removing a uterus from a brain dead woman and installing it in a male, not an easy trick we would guess, but this indicates the degree of desperation in the homosexual world), but only producing and spreading disease and dying early. If a GILBERT or other acronym homosexual young person wants to read it fine, and if he is affected, it is only because his common sense, which is, his intuition, his eyeballs, tell him that his inclination or active perversions are wrong and then he is affected in some way. Yes, you WANT to live happy, successful, and fulfilling lives but you can´t by perverting one of life´s basic functions. Yes, YOUR life is extremely rich and satisfying and so are the lives of the other homosexuals, which is exactly why the suicide rate is so high. Ah, yes: rich and satisfying lives in the homosexual world, such as the life of Marshi Kirk, Huntie Madsden, and DOCTOR H. Scottie Hitt, M.D., Clinton´s AIDS advisor–oh wait, they´re dead? Oh, what did they die of? Oh, complications in the anal and colon areas? My, my, my. But homosexuals don´t do anal penetration, do they? Knowing what it can do to them? My, my, my.

          • vorpal

            Yawn. Reading comprehension fail, barbaro-retardo.

          • barbaro70

            the indifference of homosexuals as represented by that yawn is exactly what is killing homosexuals

            ignore reality, commit suicide, survivors while they are still alive
            blame high homosexual death rate on normal people because of their
            discriminating and demonizing homosexuality and homosexuals

            the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuality and
            homosexuals, the resulting frustration in not being able to get the same
            results as normal people in their intimacy, and after all, homosexuals
            more than anything else want to be not tolerated, not accepted, but
            admired for their progressiveness in using tools previously used by
            normal people for only limited things in new, exciting, daredevil uses,
            like the Russian roulette of anal penetration

            which is why homosexuals and their homosexualist masters have to
            proselytize, sell the freedom of doing what you want to innocent
            children, either with or without adopting them

            homosexual problem very costly for normal people, hardworking taxpayers who have pay to clean up homosexuals´ messes

        • Ben

          The CDC has NEVER, EVER released anything on the lifespan of gays. Disagree? Show me the link.

          • barbaro70

            Ben, we are fighting the homosexual problem on many fronts, dedicate a lot of time to that, and cannot do your work for you. What we can tell you is that the CDC, as it name plainly states, is directly responsible for studying all aspects of diseases so that they can be controled. Homosexuals have done a great job of producing and spreading disease, so the CDC is involved, is indeed studying disease. One aspect of disease that is very interesting to the CDC is where disease originates and how and where it spreads, so, for example the CDC knows that homosexuals are the main culprits in the AIDS epidemic. A very important part of that aspect of studying AIDS is the ages of the participants, and logically the age of the homosexuals who die from AIDS. With that information, the homosexual life span is easily calculated. Do your homework, Ben, we can´t do everything for you. And of course, suicide also lowers the life expectancy figures–don´t bother telling us that the high rate of suicide among homosexuals is because of the oppression by normal people; of course we can´t know for certain but there are indications that it is simply because homosexuals know in their hearts that they can´t defy God, or nature if you prefer, by putting what in normal people are called p3nises in their friends´ rear ends and feel good about it, and not feel like they are perverting what God, or evolution if you prefer, gave them.

            We can also add that the CDC is highly political and does not advertise what is terrible news for homosexuals and their lib/lefty homosexualist masters. But they certainly know and have statistics showing that homosexual perversions of what in normal people are called sex organs produces early death.

          • barbaro70

            We can´t do your work for you.

            CDC stands for Centers for Disease Control; the homosexual
            disease AIDS is a disease, obviously; the CDC has an interest in it
            because homosexuals engage in perversions that produce and spread AIDS
            in them and others and the CDC wants to figure out why homosexuals,
            egged on by their homosexualist masters, want to commit suicide by
            getting AIDS–we´re not talking about the extremist San Fransicko
            homosexuals (there is little or no hope for them), only the run of the
            mill homosexuals, and how to, if possible eliminate that suicidal
            tendency or at least reduce it, because of the tremendous cost that
            normal people as taxpayers have to pay to clean up the homosexual messes
            caused by their diseases, not just AIDS.

          • vorpal

            LOL you are a freaking nut job.

          • barbaro70

            Since you cannot refute the ridiculousness of the homosexual perversion, the pathetic and desperate attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy in order to appear normal to yourself, and/or your buddy, if not to normal people, you resort to name calling. And that´s why the hysteria and desperation of homosexuals do not allow normal people to take you seriously. Don´t waste your time on attempting to insult us–it simply won´t do any good, and it certainly won´t stop us from working to fix the homosexual problem, to end the homosexual whining.

          • vorpal

            “Refute the ridiculousness of the homosexual perversion?” What homosexual perversion? There is nothing to refute except for your delusional nonsense.

            No one is imitating you, toots, believe it or not. I can’t imagine you being a role model to anyone.

            You can be as deliberately inflammatory as you like by calling my husband my “buddy”, but I neither need nor care for your approval. The fact that I have a certificate issued by the Government of Ontario that clearly states that I am married to my lovely and wonderful husband (who, incidentally, is also my best “buddy”, as well as my passionate lover and my dashing Prince Charming) and that our marriage is as valid and legal as that of any heterosexual couple is all that matters to me. If I’m being entirely honest, your hilarious right-wing butt-hurt braying with disapproval like a brain-damaged donkey makes it all the more delightful.

            Yes, yes… I resort to name-calling, which is something that you’d never do. Oh, wait: you’d already done that dozens and dozens of times in the comment section here before I even arrived at this page.

            Get used to the homosexual “problem”, cupcake. It’s here to stay. Seventeen states aren’t going to suddenly reverse their rulings, and the number is only going to continue to climb while we drink in your deliciously pathetic and hateful tears.

          • barbaro70

            the perversion, BUT YOU KNOW THIS PERFECTLY WELL, is trying, but failing, to do what normal people do in their sexual activities and instead or producing babies, as normal people do, produce and spread disease

            your certificate is useless, issued by a lib/lefty official to comply with a lib/lefty law which simply cannot change the fact that marriage is between a man and a woman as it has been forever

            no, the homosexual problem is being taken care of, not quite as rapidly as it should be but it won´t be long before we won´t be hearing about your whining for special rights any more

          • vorpal

            Oh, honey: I know it’s a little complicated for you to wrap your head around, but my certificate isn’t useless at all. Indeed, it allowed my husband to secure Canadian citizenship, it allows us to file our Canadian and US taxes together, it guarantees us hospital visitation and power of attorney, and includes another 2000+ rights and responsibilities. Please explain to me precisely how that is useless.

            Also, again, I know it’s complicated, but there are thousands and thousands of same-sex married couples now in a wide number of countries, so no, marriage is no longer only between a man and a woman (not that it ever was exclusively that to begin with). See, the definition of a marriage is “a formal union of two people recognized by law, typically represented in the form of a marriage certificate.” Your little claim of “marriage is between a man and a woman” only requires one counterexample to prove it false, and there are thousands and thousands of such counterexamples of same-sex married couples. You aren’t the authority on who is and isn’t married, believe it or not, but it’s just so cute to watch you try so hard all the same.

            Yeah, you’d better pick up the pace on taking care of this “homosexual problem”, because you’re losing ground really fast, with well over half of Americans now supporting same-sex marriage, and people overcoming bigotry usually doesn’t reverse itself. On the other hand, right-wing Christians are giving people tons of reasons to become anti-Christian, and are actively chasing after every opportunity to prove themselves to be hateful and disgusting trash.

          • barbaro70

            your piece of paper is useless in establishing that you are married is what was OBVIOUSLY meant–you are not married, because marriage is for normal people only, the law is defective

          • vorpal

            Oh, honey… stop putting yourself on a pedestal.

            The only defective thing here is your brain and ability to appreciate that your silly little hate-filled opinions are not the ultimate truth.

            You can play the “wahhhh you and your buuuuuddy are not maaaarrrried” game with me all you want, but you’re just blowing your knee-jerk black smoke out of your ass. I assure you that I’m married and proud, and the law not reflecting your rampant, galloping bigotry is in no way a sign of its defectiveness: indeed, given the clearly defective state of your brain, I’d say that it’s a fairly good indicator that the law is on the right track.

          • barbaro70

            So you are saying that not being a bigot mean accepting the hare-brained idea that homosexuals are, what?, normal, ok, admirable? Get outta here. Stop with the nonsense.

            But it would be best for your health, emotional, mental, health in general to stop with the “I´m married” nonsense: You are not married. However, you can get married, find a good woman and marry her–Phil Robertson was right.

          • vorpal

            Who said anything about admirable? However, claiming repeatedly and histrionically that gay people are somehow mentally ill, brain damaged, not whole, etc. is not only absolutely absurd and undeniably bigoted nonsense; it’s also kind of pathetic and makes you look bad, toots.

            You can keep insisting that I’m not married, but if I were to try to marry a woman, I would be told that no, I could not, as I am already married. Our marriage is recognized in every way that matters, apart from in the mind of the imaginary god of bigots, which is less relevant than having a chipmunk recognize our marriage, since at least a chipmunk is a tangible thing.

            My emotional, mental, and physical health is pretty good, but I really do appreciate your concern. It’s most kind.

            So, to be clear, you would advocate that if I were, say, a single gay man, that I should find a good woman and marry her, despite the fact that I do not find women sexually or romantically attractive in any way, shape or form? Doesn’t that seem horribly unkind and unfair to this supposedly good woman?

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpal, we do not lack in charity so much as to claim that all homosexuals are mentally ill, brain damaged, not whole and you will not find that in our posts.

            Yes, we had no right to make it sound like we were worried about your emotional, mental, and physical health or that it wasn´t the best. We will rephrase: “…it would be better for your health, emotional, mental, health in general to stop with the “I´m married” nonsense.”

            As to marrying a woman, the homosexualist plan is to defeat marriage as it has been these many years, defeat the family as it has been these many years, and one of the next steps is to push for polygamy and polyamory, not to mention the legitimization of pedophilia. You have a perfect right to just tear up your piece of paper and marry a woman, then you can´t whine about not being able to marry. So don´t find a good woman, find a bad woman, an ugly woman, a filthy woman, but be sure it is a woman and that would not be quite so unfair to the woman.

          • vorpal

            barbaro70 bitched: “the homosexualist plan is to defeat marriage as it has been these many years, defeat the family as it has been these many years, and one of the next steps is to push for polygamy and polyamory, not to mention the legitimization of pedophilia”

            No, it really isn’t. Your delusions are no indicator of truth in this arena, babes.

            barbaro70 continued with the following idiotic nonsense: “You have a perfect right to just tear up your piece of paper and marry a woman”

            No, I don’t. Both the US and Canadian governments would readily inform me that I am already married if I tried to marry a woman. That’s called bigamy, and we don’t allow it last time I checked. I would have to divorce my husband first and then subsequently marry a woman if it was my goal to put some poor woman into a lifetime of sexual and romantic drought.

            barbaro70 yowled onwards: “So don´t find a good woman, find a bad woman, an ugly woman, a filthy woman, but be sure it is a woman and that would not be quite so unfair to the woman.”

            Could you tell me what church you attend? (Yes, we know you’re a Christian. Don’t pretend otherwise.) I’m sure I can find plenty of trash there to choose from.

          • barbaro70

            vorpie, the homosexualists and homosexual icons are talking openly about legalizing polygamy and polyamory, while they are little more circumspect about legalizing pedophilia they still want that, the homosexual literature refers to how desirable that is

            vorpie, you certainly can tear up that piece of paper and marry a woman

            vorpie, choose your trash wherever you want, and we are pleased that you are at that step of becoming a normal person

          • vorpal

            Now that you’ve readily admitted that you think bigamy should be legal, we can get down to your perversions, barbaro, which seem to be numerous.

            I don’t know a homosexual, homosexualist, homosexualistist, or homosexualististist who wants or is fighting for polyamory. Perhaps there are homosexualistististists that are, but I’m not acquainted with any.

            Regardless, last I checked, polyamory and same-sex marriage are completely distinct issues, and should be treated as such.

            As for tearing up my marriage certificate and marrying a woman, no, you don’t seem to understand (although we’ve established that that’s par for the course) that neither the US nor Canadian government would allow me to marry a woman without first formally filing for a divorce. Both my home country (Canada) and my current state of residence recognize my marriage as being precisely that.

            I know some of these concepts are difficult, so if I’m going too fast, please let me know.

            There’s a good ragamuffin, barbaro70. *tousles your hair*

          • barbaro70

            Dr Vorpie: Nothing we have said indicates that we are in favor of bigamy, nothing.

            You know this but pretend you don´t: Homosexuals, led by their homosexualist masters want, more than anything, amorality, and the reason is so that it is easier for homosexuals to commit their perversion of normal folks´ sex without comment or criticism, in fact want admiration for their progressiveness in the misuse of what in normal people are called sex organs. So, the first thing that homosexualists and homosexuals whined for and wanted to gain on their way to amorality was marriage for homosexuals, which, of course, cannot be, regardless of what lib/lefty legislatures legislate and lib/lefty judges rule, but that is only the beginning, with polygamy and polyamory next, and legalized pedophilia after that. We are afraid to think what homosexualists and homosexuals will whine for after that.

            You can do whatever you think you have to do, legally or otherwise, and they you can marry, and stop whining about not being able to marry.

            As to the concepts being too difficult for us, yes, the bizarre distortion of humanity that you are attempting are too difficult for us, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY WE ARE WORKING TO FIX THE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM, THE HOMOSEXUAL WHINING.

          • vorpal

            HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY
            HOMOSEXUAL FRUSTRATION
            HOMOSEXUAL WHINING
            HOMOSEXUAL MASTERS
            You need new material and a better writer, m’dears. Who is the “we” that is the collective of barbaro70? Are there multiple people in multiple bodies or multiple people sharing a single body?

          • barbaro70

            Dr Vorpal, we will get new material and better writers when there is a new homosexual problem, but since the homosexual problem hasn´t changed, that is from the frustration of failing, utterly, in attempting to appear normal to yourselves, to your buddies rear ends, to normal people, by attempting to imitate normal people in their intimacy, producing instead of babies, disease and spreading it, and death, we don´t need new material–the old material is fine, thanks.

            HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY
            HOMOSEXUAL FRUSTRATION
            HOMOSEXUAL WHINING
            HOMOSEXUALIST MASTERS

          • vorpal

            Alright, I’ll talk to you in terms you understand then. Flail, flail, sterile, sterile, rear end, rear end, penis, penis, disease, disease.

            HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY
            HOMOSEXUAL FRUSTRATION
            HOMOSEXUAL WHINING
            HOMOSEXUALIST MASTERS

          • barbaro70

            But, Dr. Vorpal, where is your acknowledgment of our position on when we will get new material? Your response here about talking to us in terms we understand is disconnected from the subject of the thread. You are saying nonsense just to say it, apparently. The Huffington Post is where you can get some sincere encouragement from the homosexualists over there–you can be incoherent about the glories of rolling around in other people´s feces, about loving anal penetration there and no one will complain or even notice.

          • vorpal

            Dearest barbinas,

            Nonsense begets nonsense.

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpie, no one is contesting that nonsense begets nonsense. But that is not the immediate subject; rather it is that we do not need new material because the homosexual problem doesn´t change. Then you came back with nonsense, so we suggested that if you can´t handle our approach to fixing the homosexual problem, go to the Huffington Post and engage the people there with nonsense betting nonsense. You can get some sincere encouragement from the homosexualists over
            there–you can be incoherent about the glories of rolling around in
            other people´s feces, about loving anal penetration there and no one
            will complain or even notice, they will likely cheer you on.

          • vorpal

            The anti-homosexual problem is being solved, fortunately.

            As for HuffPo, I think you’ll find they have a few more readers than Barbwire.

          • barbaro70

            no, the anti-homosexual problem is definitely not being solved, because there isn´t one

            but the homosexual problem is indeed being solved

            Huffington Post may have more readers but those readers are hysterical, lib/lefty, homosexualists, radical feminists who think with their feelings and have not seen a perversion that they don´t like, regardless of the cost in lives

            in any case, BarbWire is new and we do our work in many different forums

          • vorpal

            How exactly is the homosexuality “problem” being solved?

          • barbaro70

            as the flamer w the live-in pimp boyfriend, Barney Frank would say, “you thilly, thilly boy,” you ask such impertinent questions

            grab on to your sox

          • vorpal

            Again, a complete inability to answer a question.
            Please enlighten us: what is being done to solve the so-called “homosexual problem”? Or is it the homosexualist problem? I can never keep track.

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpal, you homosexuals know perfectly well what the homosexual problems are that you homosexuals cause society. The sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality drive your homosexuals to desperation because of the frustration of knowing that your deviancies are not elite, avant-gard, chic, classy, fancy, that your homosexualist masters tell you they are, but rather are degraded, base, dirty and produce and spread disease and early death for you.

          • vorpal

            Not the question I asked, barbellbrain. I asked what you plan on doing to solve this imaginary homosexual problem, and not to blither incessantly about the supposed sterility of homosexuals, which seems to be your favourite topic.

          • barbaro70

            vorpie, you thilly thavage: you will soon enough find out what we are doing to solve the homosexual problem, that is if you don´t die first from a ripped out anus seeing as how you love anal pentration “if it is done right” or something like that you said

            the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals is not our favourite topic, not at all

            BUT it is very important in ending the constant homosexual and homosexualist whining for special rights because it is the very foundation of homosexual practices that invalidate every other part of their attempts to destroy marriage, the family, and all of the aspects of society that have worked well for these many, many, many years

            when people are reminded of this fatal flaw in the homosexualist plan, they can see that homosexual sterility is what drives homosexuals to desperately attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy and the rest of the homosexualist business is phony

          • vorpal

            So, just to be clear, is the HOMOSEXUAL STERILITY a homosexual problem, or does it cause the homosexual problems?

            Barbaro, I readily admit that when it comes to gay men, I am neither elite, nor avant-garde, nor chic, nor classy, nor am I fancy. My husband and I can fart, burp, stink, scratch ourselves, and lack any sense of style with the manliest of men. We enjoy video games, watching too much TV, drinking beer, sleeping in, and laziness with the best of them. If you think that we are like the gay men you see on TV that are suave, sophisticated, well-dressed, and motivated, I’m sorry to disappoint you.

            However, I would not go so far as to say that we are particularly degraded, base, or any dirtier than your average man, and we certainly do not produce disease in our spare time. As for dying early, I’ll have to get back to you, but so far, the outlook seems good for a long and happy life. I have excellent genetics in my favour (with my earliest grandparent dying at 86), so I’m not particularly worried.

          • barbaro70

            Mr Vorpal, you know perfectly well what the homosexual problem is as promoted by the homosexuals´ homosexualist masters. For example, the dead homosexual icons, Marshall Kirk, PhD,, RIP and Hunter Madsden, PhD, RIP, very, very close friends, dying very young, wrote a book After the Balls and there have been other works by homosexual intellectuals, a lot of them dead also, on the subject of the homosexual problem and what homosexuals had to do to create it–BUT YOU KNOW THAT.

          • vorpal

            Barbaro, I honestly think that you seem to know a lot more about this so-called homosexual problem than I do, because you mention all these details and developments of which I have never heard anything. I would be absolutely delighted to hear more about the homosexual problem so that I can become better acquainted with my rich and colourful homosexual history and background. Will you be my new homosexualist master?

          • barbaro70

            see the new edited reply

          • vorpal

            How do you figure that there isn’t an anti-homosexual problem? Do you deny that there are people who are anti-homosexual?

            I ask you, dear, Babs, in your collective of minds, is it possible to be a liberal and not hysterical? You seem to have a rather… errr… colourful view of the political left.

          • vorpal

            I have actually seen your work in many different forums. Your nonsense really does spread far and wide. Please expand your stomping grounds, because you are doing wonders to help us solve the anti-homosexual problem.

          • barbaro70

            say, vorpie, we just ran across this and thought that you and the other suicidal anal pentration lovers should know, and we´ll send more when we get all of the information from the CDC amd FDA: “FDA has continuously warned against condom use for anal sex – it’s time to sue Planned Parenthood
            The condom mantra is at the heart of all the “comprehensive sex ed” programs, yet the FDA says on its website that anal sex is so dangerous that it should not be engaged
            in, period!” what are you anal penetration lovers going to do now? just can´t play russian roulette any more and hope to win–boy, these spoilsports, taking away all your fun and excitement, thrills and spills, click-blammo!!!!

            oh wait, wait, wait, here is an out for you anal penetration lovers: maybe the “period” in that statement is like obama´s “period,” as in “you can keep your plan/doctor, period,” which of course ended up meaning nothing

          • vorpal

            Link, please.

          • barbaro70

            yeah, vorpie, you are going too fast, and too far also–just letting you know as you requested, the concepts are just too outlandish, too bizarre, too anal penetrationish

            we are still on the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals and homosexuals not being able to marry, like two rocks can´t marry, like two giraffes, homosexual or not, can´t marry, like…etc

            and no, we do not allow homosexuals to tousle our hair for fear of catching one of their diseases

          • vorpal

            Yup. More nonsense.

            Please do be dears and tell me precisely what diseases you could catch from touching or being touched by a homosexual. Just name three. Or even one.

          • barbaro70

            for the fourth or fifth time, maybe more, we can´t do your work for you, we are very busy trying to fix the homosexual messes

            on the other hand, YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE HOMOSEXUAL DISEASES, THE HOMOSEXUAL SICKNESSES ARE, and the more honest homosexual publications discuss them openly, while the gentile homosexual publications are circumspect about your homosexual diseases and sicknesses

          • vorpal

            No, I don’t know what the “homosexual sicknesses” are, especially any that can be transmitted airborne or through touching. Please enlighten me. Any of you in the barbaro crazy collective can play along.

          • barbaro70

            the only homosexual who doesnt know what the homosexual sicknesses are is deaf, dumb, blind, and in the deepest recesses of a jungle somewhere

            YOU certainly know

            if you think that any sane, normal person is going to allow a known homosexual to get close, on the chance that the homosexual has a filthy disease, you are wrong

          • vorpal

            Well, I do literally live pretty much in the middle of the jungle, but I’m not deaf, dumb, or blind, and I still don’t know what the “homosexual diseases” are. Most of my friends are heterosexual men, and they have no problem being physically intimate in a nonsexual way with me.

          • barbaro70

            we´ll rephrase: the only homosexual who doesnt know what the homosexual sicknesses are is in the deepest recesses of a jungle somewhere, or is vorpal, OR IS PRETENDING

          • vorpal

            Barbaros are pretending there are homosexual sicknesses, which they can not name.

          • barbaro70

            We may all be nut jobs, but we are the ones who did not pervert what evolution, or God if you prefer, designed for the survival of the species; no, we are the ones who kept the species going, not homosexuals who did and do pervert the use of what in normal people are called genitals, with the consequence of producing and spreading disease and dying early–almost as if homosexuals with their perversions are trying to wipe out humanity, the opposite of what evolution, or God if you prefer, designed the genitals for.

          • barbaro70

            AND WHO IS SURPRISED THAT ALL YOU HAVE ARE INSULTS? Who is surprised that you can´t refute that your perversion of normal people´s intimacy, in your desperate, pathetic attempt to seem normal, is ridiculous, laughable, unhealthy? Insult away–it will have no effect, we continue to work to get rid of the homosexual problem, the whining, the attempt to change society. But that is all that you have, being sterile, insult attempts.

          • vorpal

            Barbaro, when you give me something to actually refute, I’ll bother. Until then, the nonsense that you blither out on the internet is essentially equivalent to meaningless white noise.

          • barbaro70

            hey, vorpie, refute these ideas

            homosexuality and homosexuals are sterile

            homosexuals want to appear normal, at least to their buddies´ rear ends or penises

            homosexuals attempt to imitate normal people in their intimacy

            homosexuals produce and spread disease and die early

          • vorpal

            Hey Barbie, like I said: stop spewing nonsense and give me something real to refute.

          • barbaro70

            Dr Vorpal, please refute the fact that homosexuality is sterile, that homosexuals are sterile. Please refute that you commit perversions with the idea that those perversions imitate, approximate, what normal people have done to keep the species going, what God, or evolution if you prefer designed what in normal people are called genitals–forgo posting your vacuous, silly responses and look up the etymology of the word genitals. Please refute the unhealthy, fatal even, results of your love of rolling around in other people´s feces, your love of anal penetration.

          • vorpal

            Homosexuals are not sterile. Many have biological children.

          • barbaro70

            vorpie, please

            TWO MALE HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN

            TWO FEMALE HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN

            the homosexuals who have biological children did it with turkey basters, so the turkey baster is the dad

            you have already stated that the female anatomy repulses you

            please don´t be silly, don´t attempt to play language games

          • vorpal

            Uhhh… no. Lots of homosexuals have had children the old fashioned way, too. They just didn’t enjoy it much. No turkey baster necessary. And a turkey baster being used to transport sperm to a vagina does not endow it with fatherhood any more than a C-section makes a scalpel and the doctor the mother of a child.

            You’re the one playing silly language games.

            And yes, the female anatomy repulses me. So what?

          • vorpal

            There is no god, and no one has perverted evolution (which did not “design” anything). Indeed, if homosexuality IS genetic, there are very good reasons why it might confer advantage in certain circumstances, as explained by many evolutionary biologists if you took a modicum of time to go look.

            Furthermore, yes, gay men are at a significantly higher risk of HIV infection. That is not a valid reason to condemn them, and if you really did care, you would help in a meaningful way. The American way of life currently puts on at a much, much higher risk of obesity and related diseases; however, I suspect that you would not advocate for condemning the American lifestyle despite it being significantly risky and shortening lifespan.

            Furthermore, you have yet to provide evidence that gay men have a lifespan that is statistically shown to be shorter on average than any other demographic.

          • barbaro70

            God, or evolution as some prefer, certainly designed the genitals for complementary use, and the proof of that is the results, that is, what happens when normal people copulate, life is produced because the testicles produce the sperm that God, or evolution as some prefer, intends to reach the ovaries, but there are no ovaries up homosexuals´ rear ends

            when homosexuals slip their p3nises up their buddies´ rear ends, bad things happen, such as what happened to PhDs Hunter Madsden and Marshall Kirk, and to Dr Scott Hitt, a supposed expert on AIDS

            and the reason bad things happen, as documented by CDC, is that the introduction of the p3nis is brutal and the tissues in the anal/rectal areas were not made for that

            anyone with eyesight and any degree of honesty know that

            your foolishness about homosexuality being genetic and having some kind of an advantage is just too hilarious to respond to

            if you consider obesity a serious problem then go ahead and dedicate yourself to fighting obesity–we will continue to work to get rid of the homosexual problem of whining for special rights

            we have no obligation to prove that homosexuals have a shortened life span–go ahead and imitate the homosexual icons, and you know who they are, and kill yourself in the process, OR buy some common sense somewhere and dump the homosexual perversions

          • vorpal

            Oh, as for the whole genetic – possible advantage to homosexuality, I recommend you actually take one minute out of your valuable ranting time to actually examine the hypothesis. If I remember correctly, there is strong evidence that women with homosexual brothers tend to be far more fecund than women without, suggesting that a gene for male homosexuality (which is thought to have a different mechanism than female homosexuality) might actually confer benefit on female carriers of the gene. There is also other evidence that there are almost certainly genetic factors at play in male homosexuality, although, as I’m sure you know, it is highly unlikely that pure genetics is solely responsible.

            Additionally, a new series of papers by Rice, Friberg, and Gavrilets (2012, 2013) proposes an epigenetic model for male homosexuality that accounts for all of the known male-homosexuality related phenomena so far (e.g. weak twin concordance, male birth order probability) and is testable. So far, there is still much testing to do, so the question is still open, but so far the results look preliminarily promising.

            I’d be delighted if you could tell me what you think the causes of homosexuality are. I’ve so enjoyed our stimulating chats so far. Talking to such a fount of knowledge has truly been a treat.

          • barbaro70

            Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. You are trying entirely too hard to justify your perversion of normal folks´ sexual activity.

            Studies based on extensive interviews show that most homosexuals are looking for quick, easy sex.

          • vorpal

            Again with the “studies”. If you’re going to quote “studies”, you have to be able to actually cite them.

            Studies based on extensive interviews show that most heterosexual men are looking for quick, easy sex.

            Studies based on extensive interviews show that the mean IQ of right-wing conservatives is 30 points less than liberals.

            Studies done by kindergarteners based on things a hamster pulled out of its left nipple on a Friday afternoon in March clearly illustrate that you have the the charm and tact of a sex-depraved chimpanzee who has been doused in gasoline and lit on fire.

            Now if you’re not going to at least answer my questions once in awhile, I think I’ll leave you to wallow in your chaotic, rage-filled negativity all by your lonesome, because laughing at what an obnoxious little walking piece of birth control you are only is fun for so long.

          • barbaro70

            we are in the process of putting together the information from the studies so that it is irrefutable

            you homosexuals find the most silly things to nitpick in reliable studies and we want to make the case airtight, as if your common sense doesn´t tell you that anal penetration is not very healthy, not very good generally as in the case of the homosexual icons who have dropped like flies, not only from suicide by anal penetration–how smart is that, but by other self inflicted means

            you have nothing on which to base your assumption that we are rage filled, just like all of your other pathetic attempts at refuting what everyone with eyeballs, with common sense, which is, knows: homosexuals and homosexuality are sterile and that is the source of their frustration, trying to imitate normal people

          • vorpal

            Who is “we”? Is this the royal “we”, i.e. you and your heterosexual masters? Please wake me up when you’ve put together the information from the studies in a form that is irrefutable. I’ll be highly interested in reading it.

            My nitpickery has nothing to do with the fact that I’m a homosexual and everything to do with the fact that I’m a PhD mathematics graduate with a fair amount of research experience and several peer-reviewed publications (including my thesis, conference proceedings, and journal-accepted academic papers); thus I have some experience with what constitutes reliability in studies, especially since mathematics requires logically consistent (i.e. airtight) proofs in research papers. There really is no reason to believe that anal penetration, when done properly, has extremely minimal – if at all, any – associated health risks. I’ll repeat, though, that it doesn’t matter to me, as my husband and I don’t engage in anal lovemaking for a number of reasons.

            Which homosexual icons have exactly dropped like flies from suicide through the art of anal lovemaking, my dear barbaro70?

            Perhaps I have nothing on which to base my assumption that you’re rage-filled, but the image in my head of you strutting around cursing the homosexualist masters while your eyes veritably pop out of your head is just too amusing to ignore.

            On what do you base your assumptions that homosexuals are frustrated? I’m not frustrated in the slightest.

          • barbaro70

            Dr. Vorpal: Of course, we understand that you don´t do anal penetration, you and your friend, and neither do any other homosexuals–none, in fact, regardless of what the studies show. We do understand your dilemma in discussing this, it is a nasty subject and decent homosexuals simply are above such low, vulgar, unseeming behavior. Yes, yes, yes. But, then, when it´s done right, the risks are minimal. Oh, yes, yes, we understand. But you refer to anal lovemaking, and now after laughing myself silly, ask how can there be any love in such a pathetic physical posture? Too, TOO funny.

            The word frustration appears in many studies as the cause of the desperate attempts to appear normal.

          • vorpal

            AGAIN with the reading comprehension fail, barbaro! Did you go to a Christian college? That might explain a lot.

            I never said anything with respect to gay men in general and anal lovemaking. I simply said that not all gay men do it, and that group includes my husband and I. Of course, a majority of gay men DO choose to engage in anal lovemaking.

            There is nothing vulgar or unseeming about it, and believe me (because I *have* done it before, most certainly – we just choose not to do it now), there can be plenty of love and passion in it. You should try it. It might help you with that anal retentive negative attitude you have and loosen up the muscles, allowing the blood to flow into your head and assist you in basic human functions like reading comprehension.

          • barbaro70

            There it is folks, Dr. Vorpal (the doctorate is in mathematics, it is not a doctorate of medicine) admits to having been either the subject of the brutality of anal pentration, not anal sex because sex is for normal folks only, or the object of the brutality of anal penetration, says it can have a lot of love and passion in it–IS THAT FUNNY! But, that is BUT, Dr. Vorpal and his friend do not do it, one wonders why, if it is so safe and so pleasurable.

          • vorpal

            Frankly, m’dear, it’s none of your business why my husband and I don’t engage in anal lovemaking. (Oh, barbaro, how you’ve brought colour to my life!)

            But oh yes, I have engaged in anal lovemaking, and it was quite delightful. I’m not ass-shamed (ha! get it? get it?) in the slightest to admit as much. It wasn’t brutal in the slightest, though: your fantasies, barbarian, do not necessarily reflect reality.

            Your deep concern for both the state of my relationship and anal sphincter muscles is noted and appreciated.

          • barbaro70

            that´s right, it is none of our business why your buddy and you don´t engage in the brutality of anal penetration, but we wonder as all normal people do, if it is so great why not engage in the brutality of anal penetration–ALL homosexuals on these posts say they don´t engage in the brutality of anal penetration because it is “yucky,” and others, the more civilized, say it is “icky”

            yes, it would seem to be either yucky or icky, or both–we puke at the thought

            it is, at the same time, a repulsive act to imagine, and a hilarious act to imagine, which is why homosexuals are considered buffoons

            nonetheless, vorpal loved it and, apparently, misses it and in your case it may not have been brutal, but tell that to DOCTOR H. Scottie Hitt, AIDS advisor to Clinton–too funny for words, Marshie Madsden and Huntie Kirk, who had their rear ends ripped up by this homosexual perversion of normal people´s intimacy

            as to concern for your anal sphincter muscles, we have none–don´t flatter yourself, but we do have concern, and a lot, for the millions of dollars that politicians throw at the one percent to clean up their health messes, dollars expropriated from hardworking taxpayers, but we´re working on that

          • vorpal

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzz…. bored.

          • barbaro70

            Those zs attempt to represent an attitude of indifference towards fatal effects of the homosexual voracious appetite for nasty, yucky, icky perversions, but in order to do them and survive one more day, you cannot pay any attention to what common sense, which is, tells you, if not scientific fact. Go ahead, kill yourselves.

          • vorpal

            With every word of bile you spew, you make your savior Jesus oh so proud. I’m sure he would advocate you telling people to kill themselves.

          • barbaro70

            this is rich! you who reject any restrictive morality, any philosophy that does not allow you to do anything you want, are trying to use Jesus to get us to stop informing people about the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals as the basis of the homosexual problem

            ironic in the extreme

            do you not see that you are completely without resources? that you simply cannot state any forceful defense of, for example, your love of rolling around in other people´s feces, your love of anal penetration?

          • barbaro70

            Of course, there could be exceptions, such as your case, where you didn´t want quick and easy sex 158 years ago when you met your friend–you wanted easily available sex, we can suppose.

          • vorpal

            The fact that you have this very bizarre view of homosexuals really highlights your hate and bigotry, barbaro. Furthermore, where did you get this 158 number? Again with the reading comprehension fail?

            If I wanted “easily available sex”, I wouldn’t have had a long distance monogamous relationship, which was the case for the first year we were together. I’ve only ever had monogamous sexual encounters in long-term relationships, and indeed, my husband and I waited until marriage to have sex in our relationship.

          • barbaro70

            what a really great job your homosexualist masters have done in snowing you

            our view of homosexuality and homosexuals is widely shared, you are out of touch–very common in people who attempt to push ridiculous ideas

            and, of course, you are the only homosexual to have a long distance monogamous relationship, only had monogamous sexual encounters in long term relationships, and are the only homosexual to wait until your piece of paper was issued to your–all of the other homosexuals have voracious appetites for performing perversions of what in normal people is called sex, yes indeed, sure, of course, certainly, no doubt, one in a million, yep

          • vorpal

            I really wish I knew who my homosexualist master is. I don’t know who to correspond with with regards to all things homosexual. Despite our clearly superior fashion sense, our organizational methods leave something to be desired.

            Where, oh mighty barbaro70, did you obtain your clearly expert knowledge of all things homosexual? Are you actually *gasp* one of these homosexualist masters which we have been discussing, perhaps incognito? Or perhaps you are like the proverbial gay Santa Claus, with lists you check twice as to who is naughty and nice and who has “voracious appetites for performing perversions of waht in normal people is called sex, yes indeed, sure, of course, certainly, no doubt, one in a million, yep.”

            My parents raised me in a very traditional, stable household, which is something I’ve always valued and treasured; hence, unlike the vast majority of heterosexuals today, I am rather prudish in sexual matters and insist on waiting until I am in a long term relationship. Other gay guys have always respected me more for this, I’m pleased to say.

            I know that you’re probably learning so gosh-darn much here, barbaro70, but believe it or not… *drum rolls* homosexuals aren’t all cookie cutter copies produced by Beelzebub of some promiscuous gay idea you’ve dreamed up in your histrionic little brain.

          • barbaro70

            Your homosexualist masters are, BUT YOU KNOW THIS, DON´T BE CUTE, the libs/lefties who also want to destroy marriage and the family for their amoral purposes–they encourage your suicidal perversions for their gain, the gain of the elitist progressive movement.

            Who are we? We are the normal people.

          • vorpal

            Barbaro, I don’t know where you hail from, but I can assure you that whatever you are, it would require interstellar travel for you to approach the realm of normal, dumpling.

          • barbaro70

            heck, we thought that progress was being made in another post where you say that the conversations are productive, but here you are vorpie trying to distract

            here and now is where we are and we say that your homosexualist masters encourage homosexual perversions which in turn produe suicide and all for their gan, not yours

          • barbaro70

            oh, you didn´t meet your friend 158 years ago? oh

            was it 82 years ago?

            37 years ago?

            well, it was certainly a long, long time ago

            it certainly wasn´t day before yesterday in San Fransicko

          • vorpal

            Never been to San Francisco. Sounds fun, though.
            We met a little over 10 years ago.

            When did you fall and injure your head, leaving both your intellect and personality horribly disfigured? Was it 158 years ago? 82 years ago? 37 years ago?

          • barbaro70

            Dr. Vorpal, you are desperate, you are flailing, you are babbling. The purpose of this discussion is to work on the homosexual problem, the problem of homosexuality and homosexuals being sterile, and that being the source of the homosexual whining for special rights.

          • vorpal

            LOL barbaro! I must say that I’m growing rather fond of you through all our lovely and productive conversations. Then again, ever since that summer that I volunteered to work with children with mental disabilities, I’ve always had a bit of a compassionate soft spot for the mentally challenged.

          • barbaro70

            Dr Vorpal, we are very pleased that you find our conversations productive. Then we can expect that you will accede to the fact that homosexuals and homosexuality are sterile?

          • vorpal

            ….aaaaand, as expected, now that I’ve actually worked my way through your little morning temper tantrum of virulent anti-gay hatred and right-wing stupidity, what I suspected is correct and you didn’t even bother to try to answer the two questions I asked you honestly and with actual curiosity to hear your views, either illustrating that:
            1. You are unable to do so;
            2. You are simply here to spew your venom against gay people and aren’t interested in actually engaging in any sort of meaningful conversation; or
            3. Both of the above. (I suspect this one.)

            If you want to stop acting like a little child in the midst of a temper tantrum, you know where to find me. Otherwise, I’m bored of you, so *pats your bottom* move it along and find someone else to wail, cry and scream at.

            Thanks for the wonderful laughs. My husband and I sat down last night before bed and enjoyed a hearty guffaw at them together. I know we shouldn’t laugh at the mentally ill, but when it’s a right-winger, it can be so difficult not to.

            Much love, princess!
            vorpal

          • barbaro70

            You have nothing more than this message of giving up due to inability to justify the anal-penetration-in-an-attempt-to-imitate-normal-folks´-sex. And insults, of course. We cannot expect more. But you can´t leave the discussion without being reminded, not that you need it, that homosexuals and homosexuality are sterile, and only because evolution, or God if you prefer, designed the genitals for mutuality, for complementarity.

          • vorpal

            I told you multiple times, my sweet, that my husband and I do not engage in the delights of anal lovemaking. I know that you have memory and reading comprehension issues, so I’m endeavouring to be patient with you, because I really wouldn’t want you to feel bad for your so very, very many shortcomings.

            Evolution certainly didn’t “design” anything, and it didn’t intend for me to use my genitals for complementarity; if it had, it would have made me find flappy vaginal lips attractive. As it stands, the thought of putting my formidable uncircumcised member anywhere near a moist vagina makes me want to wretch with disgust. You heterosexuals and your exotic sex is downright perverse.

          • barbaro70

            There it is folks: “…the delights of anal lovemaking.” A straightforward, uncomplicated confirmation of the homosexual sterility, the homosexual desperation of imitating normal people in their intimacy. What more is needed to understand the homosexual problem of frustration? It doesn´t matter to Dr. Vorpal that the anal perversion is not lovemaking, but brutality making, forcing-the-penis-into-the-anus making, destruction making.

            As to evolution designing anything, of course not: The human organism just popped out of nowhere, spontaneously. Oh the explanation for that? Just take Dr. Vorpal´s word for it.

            And finally, the denial of what is obvious to anyone who understands the concept of continuation of the species with its complementarity. No, no, no: The species has continued because, because, well, because a mysterious rocket ship came from out of the universe to take care of that. The reason? Oh, heck, let´s not get too precise here, Dr. Vorpal has this under control. Too, TOO, TOO, TOO funny.

          • vorpal

            Barbaro blithered: “the opposite of what evolution, or God if you prefer”

            What do you prefer? I ask because I care.

          • barbaro70

            showing, once again, your desperation, your pathetic, flailing desperation

          • vorpal

            Showing, once again, your inability to answer a question, use capitalization in your sentences, or form a coherent thought.

          • barbaro70

            yes, vorpal, do try to distract from the subject at hand, the sterility of homosexuals and homosexuality as the basis of the homosexual problem

            try and fail, just as you try and fail to imitate normal people

          • barbaro70

            We may be freaking nut jobs, but we are the ones who have been perpetuating the species as evolution, or God as some prefer, designed us for. And we are not going to let sterile homosexuals, 1% of the population tell us, the 99%, or sterile homosexuality and the homosexualist masters of homosexuals, to give the sterile homosexuals special rights. The sterile homosexual whining is not pleasant.

          • vorpal

            No, no. You singular. The you that typed that message. That individual – not a collective (except possibly in your head) – is a nut job.

          • barbaro70

            no, no, it is we, plural, who may be nut jobs, but it is we, plural, who have used our sex organs to keep the species going, just as God, or evolution as some prefer, designed us

          • vorpal

            No, no… it is you, the person who typed that comment, who is a nut job.

          • barbaro70

            no, no, no! and NO! again

            it is we who may be nut jobs but it is also we who have contributed to the continuation of the species by understanding the purpose of what in normal people are called genitals

            but it is the homosexuals who, because of their sterility, do foolish things, such as attempting to imitate normal folks in their intimacy, failing, and instead of producing life, produce death

          • vorpal

            Why do you refuse to acknowledge that there is a human being sitting behind a keyboard typing this nonsense that you spew? What is wrong with you?

          • barbaro70

            we have no idea what you are saying, or why

          • vorpal

            How is what I said complicated or incomprehensible?

          • pleasebereasonable

            “We can’t do your work for you” = I have no proof….Pitiful, but typical.

          • barbaro70

            You refuse to understand how
            seriously we take the homosexual problem: We are busy, not quite 24 hours
            a day, but close, in working on fixing the homosexual problem, in letting
            people know that the fundamental part of the homosexual problem is that
            homosexuals are sterile, and because of that sterility, when they attempt to
            imitate normal people in their intimacy, instead of producing babies, they
            produce and spread disease instead, and die about 20 years early. We
            certainly have proof about the studies which show that homosexuals love their
            perversion of normal people´s intimacy so much that, even knowing that it is
            suicidal, they engage in it. But giving you the references can´t be done
            today or tomorrow, such is our dedication to working on the homosexual problem,
            the whining for special rights, etc. We are dedicated to telling folks
            that when they hear the homosexual whining to remind them about the fundamental
            part of the homosexual problem, the sterility of homosexuals and of
            homosexuality because of the misuse of what in normal people are called sex
            organs but can´t be called that in homosexuals because they are not used for
            sex, but for perversion of sex, for a pathetic, failed attempt to imitate
            sex. This work shows progress every day.

            On the other hand, if instead
            of ignoring what your eyeballs and common sense, which is, tell you, and paid
            attention to your eyeballs and common sense about the genitals, that they were
            designed by evolution, or God if you prefer, for complementarity, for
            mutuality, then you would not need multimillion dollar studies to confirm that
            homosexuals die young. If you don´t believe us, ask Marshie Madsden, PhD,
            or Huntie Kirk, also PhD, or DOCTOR H. Scottie Hitt, M.D., they know about
            homosexuals dying early. Oh? They died? Oh, heck! What
            did they die from? Complications in their colons, anuses? Oh, and
            young too, about 50. Well, the homosexual icons are dropping like
            flies. Well, when we send you the information on the studies we´ll also
            get you the name of some reliable homosexual icons who are still living, if
            there are any. All of the ones we hear about are all touting safe
            sex–which of course isn´t sex, but a perversion. But why do they want
            homosexuals to commit those perversions in a safe way? Maybe because any
            way other than the safe way is the fatal way, like Marshie, Huntie, and Scottie
            practiced it????????

          • pleasebereasonable

            “But giving you the references can´t be done
            today or tomorrow, such is our dedication to working on the homosexual problem”

            Like I thought. You don’t have any.

            ” we take the homosexual problem: We are busy, not quite 24 hours a day, but close in working on fixing the homosexual problem ”

            Yikes. You need to get back on the meds. Your obsessive-compulsive behaviors are out of control again.

          • barbaro70

            Yes, we devote our resources to what produces the best, quickest results in fixing the homosexual problem and can´t get distracted by what is obvious, the brutality of the homosexual practices in an effort to imitate normal folks in their intimacy.

            And you can try to insult all you want, it has absolutely no effect. We know what we are doing.

          • John

            You can expect lots of this from booboo07. Probably early twenties, works at Mc Donalds and lives in mommy’s basement. Typical of those like him. Bigots have been shown to have limited intellect and no education

    • Anonymous

      I’ve read the comments below so don’t try to rehash any of those. No study has focused on life expectancy of gay and lesbian populations for over 20 years. The last report released in 2010 focused on increased health risks due to HIV/AIDS, but did not focus on life expectancy since many people who are positive can live much longer lives thanks to modern medicine.

      If the whole purpose of marriage is to reproduce, then straight people who are sterile should not be able to get married.

      • barbaro70

        Your information is incorrect, Anonymous. There is recent information on the subject, as if common sense, which is, wouldn´t tell you. Get informed. We can´t do all your work for you.

        On the other hand, if homosexuals who practice perversions in the pathetic attempt to imitate normal people want to take the risk “thanks to modern medicine,” go right ahead, kill yourselves, die early, and the American taxpayer will pay the costs, fools that we are.

        The difference between normal people who cannot reproduce and sterile homosexuals is that God, or nature if you prefer, determines their condition and the normal people who cannot reproduce do not choose the condition, BUT homosexuals DO indeed choose their sterility, meaning putting what in normal people are called sex organs into the digestive tract of a friend. Further, who said that the “whole purpose of marriage is to reproduce”? Who? Read our material a little more carefully.

        • Anonymous

          Homosexuality exists in nature all the time. You’re saying that it’s human choice, when clearly science says it’s not.

          • barbaro70

            There is no study, no science, no research that says that homosexuality is not a choice.

            If penguins, or monkeys, or worms, or cats, or whatever exhibit homosexual behavior, that means that humans can also be homosexual? If animals do exhibit homosexual behavior, and it´s not clear that they do, they are animals!!!!!!!!! Animals do crazy things, like eat their young in some species.

            You are desperate to defend the indefensible and come up with this kind of nonsense. That is why no one takes homosexuals and their homosexualist masters seriously about anything they say.

          • Anonymous

            Plenary of peer-reviewed scientific journals have done studies. The Journal of Zoology did a study in which they found that ale giraffes had more homosexual encounters than heterosexual encounters.

            You clearly do not care about what science says though, since you clearly would rather use misinformation and nonsense to back up your position.

          • RJLigier

            ROFLMAO…………….more delusional drivel among the consensus of borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals…………

          • RhondaStar

            We’re aware of such studies, but there are several other animal behaviors that we also choose to avoid…eating our young, killing our mates, sniffing crotches. Get the point?

            We don’t take our moral cues from animals. Instead, we have choosen to rise above such base animal instincts an behaviors.

            We were created in God’s image, and we strive to model all the best that is associated with that fact. We don’t aim low and try to act beastly.

          • vorpal

            But your beloved Yawheh acts so beastly. I would say that cannibalizing our young while rolling around in each others’ feces would be far more civilized than many of the atrocities that he commits before breakfast according the Old Testament.

          • barbaro70

            there it is again, folks: vorpie likes rolling around in each others´ feces

          • vorpal

            Only with you, my darling.

          • barbaro70

            No, we have never been to Paris and have never let homosexuals near our feces precisely because the CDC, the NIH, and we don´t know what brutal perversions you are capable of, first, and second we simply don´t want your diseases, so you are probably remembering your San Fransicko-in-Paris days before you met your present anus ripper upper–wait this friend of yours, this it, doesn´t give you what you want, does he? Even though you like it, if it´s done correctly–too funny.

            BUT YOU´RE NOT STERILE, OH NO! You´ve had many babies by this guy, or if he´s not a guy, this it, no?

            So there it is, Mr. Vorpal likes rolling around in feces, and he doesn´t know or care whose feces he rolls around in. THERE IS THE TOTAL DIGNITY OF THE HOMOSEXUAL, NONE, ZERO, GUTTER.

          • vorpal

            Barbarians, you’re the one who seems to have faeces and anal lovemaking on the brain. It’s not something I wax and wane my days thinking about, but it seems to be the focus of everything you do and say online.

          • barbaro70

            YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND, DR. VORPAL, that what we have on the brain is not feces and brutal, anal penetration; rather it is the DISEASES, THE SICKNESSES, THE SPREADING OF THOSE DISEASES AND SICKNESSES BY HOMOSEXUALS that are produced by your love of rolling around in other people´s feces, and the general love of rolling around in other people´s feces by other homosexuals, by your love of anal penetration, and the general love of anal penetration by other homosexuals.

          • John

            *yawn*

          • barbaro70

            you can try to pretend that you are yawning, but we know better

            we know that homosexuals understand that they are not normal and that abnormality produces sickness, disease, death

            it is easy to write “yawn” but not easy to live yawning

          • vorpal

            I have never – nor do I ever intend to – roll around in faeces, but thanks for your concern. Your mind is full of faeces.

          • barbaro70

            you, vorpie, made the statement, and very clearly, that you love to roll around in someone else´s feces

            do not misunderstand anything we have said about your love of rolling around in someone else´s feces as concern–NO, rather it is disgust and true sorrow for the chosen homosexual sterility that leads you to love rolling around in someone else´s feces as a way of pleasing your voracious appetite for such terrible things, of pleasing your homosexualist masters, of pleasing your buddies

            defensiveness showing there

          • vorpal

            When and where did I make the statement that I love to roll around in someone else’s faeces?

            Admit it, barbaro. You’d be bored without us big gay homosexuals giving you a cause to champion.

          • barbaro70

            very close to the beginning of the postings in a reply to Rhonda, “I would say that cannibalizing our young while rolling around in each others’ feces would be far more civilized…” sounds like you love rolling around in each others´feces

            and in another post you indicated your appreciation of anal penetration, “if it was done properly”——–VERY FUNNY!

            no, you are wrong again: we would love to be in a condition where the first uppity homosexuals were told to get the hell out of wherever they were whining for special rights, so that now we can live in peace, without the huge expenses to the taxpayers for cleaning up the homosexual messes and imposing the special laws–but we will fix that

            we´d rather be bored than have to work on the homosexual problem

          • vorpal

            You really do have reading comprehension issues. Go back and real my post again to Rhonda, this time slowly and with care. You’ll see I was talking about the civility of your imaginary sky daddy Yahweh, and not my pass-times.

            And yes: anal lovemaking can be delightful. It doesn’t equate to rolling around in faeces except in your imagination.

          • barbaro70

            WOW!!! GIRAFFES ARE HOMOSEXUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, that obviously means that a male homosexuals can stick his what-in-normal-males is called a sex organ up his buddy´s rear end, or vice versa!!! Sure!!! Of course!!! Certainly!!! Why not!!! Go right ahead, Anonymous, and do that and produce and spread disease and die, that is, shorten your life span by 20 years. It makes perfect sense.

          • RJLigier

            ROFLMAO………..Can you point out in nature where animals and plants engage in sadomasochistic sexual behaviors or seek genital mutilation?

          • pleasebereasonable

            ROFLMAO……..Can you deny that heterosexuals do not engage in sadomasochistic sexual behaviors or that heterosexual parents have not been mutilating the genitals of their male children since the time of Abraham?

          • barbaro70

            hey, please: if normal people engaging in sadomasochistic sexual behaviors or mutilating the genitals of their male children is a problem for you, YOU work on that, while we continue to work on the homosexual problem

    • tatoo

      Have you never heard of artificial insemination? Where have you been?

      • barbaro70

        hey, tat: read this carefully and you can then avoid nonsense responses

        two male homosexuals are sterile because the buddy whose rear end simulates the female organs–Phil Robertson was right–doesn´t have ovaries up there

        two female homosexuals are sterile because neither of the ladies have testicles to produce sperm, they have to get a male to put some sperm in a turkey baster and then the turkey baster is inserted in one of the ladies´ vaginas–have you ever heard of anything funnier?

        repeating: homosexuality and homosexuals are STERILE, they cannot reproduce, which is, of course, why they want to adopt little kids that they can then train into the homosexual way of life

        • vorpal

          Methinks you have misunderstood the definition of the word “sterile.”

          Could you point us towards the Official Authoritative Accredited Bona Fide Endorsed Homosexual Training Facility or Manual? Because we can’t seem to find either, so when we adopt children, we won’t know how to train them into the homosexual way of life.

          Oh wait – no, we won’t care what their sexual orientation is. We’ll just want them to be happy and healthy and not nuts (like the barbaro collective is nuts).

          • barbaro70

            sterile means that, for example, homosexuality is sterile–it cannot produce any valuable idea

            it also means that homosexuals are sterile, they cannot conceive a child

            as to training adopted children, all you have to do is sashay through the house and they´ll know that something is wrong

            we know that homosexuals have active proselytizing and training going on, they do need their candy, and of course, you know that too

          • vorpal

            People like you do far more good for the LGBT equal rights movement than all of the LGBT activists put together. No one could read your posts and want to be associated with anything you do or stand for.

            The fact that you post this nonsense, think you’re a Christian, and claim that you don’t hate homosexuals shows just how defective your mind is / minds are.

          • barbaro70

            Yes, indeed! Your homosexualist masters and the few remaining homosexual icons who have not dropped like flies from their buddies ripping up their digestive tracts–how funny, and how sad is that!, want you to believe that, but as we indicated somewhere else, the time invested in reminding folks about the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals as the basis of the homosexual problem, the whining, the desire for, not tolerance, not acceptance, but admiration for finding a new way to use what in normal people are called sex organs, that time is very profitable in advancing our work on the homosexual problem. Yes, and those homosexualists also admire you for find your new use for lawn mowers, giving yourselves haircuts–fatal, sometimes, most times, as your new use for what in normal people are called sex organs.

          • John

            *crickets*

          • barbaro70

            yes, crickets do not know about the homosexual problems but you do

          • vorpal

            Where exactly are all these homosexuals dropping like flies? Because I’ve yet to see it, and I’ve been gay for 36 years.

            Lawn mowers?

          • barbaro70

            homosexuals know very well when their friends, their partners in unhealthy activities die

            yes, you elitist, progressive homosexuals have found a new way to use what in normal people are called genitals, and you elitist, progressive homosexuals have also found a new way to use the lawnmower

            vorpie, give up: you are punch drunk and can´t distinguish between serious discussion and satire

            you are losing, you are on the defensive, simply because you are attempting to defend the indefensible, the homosexual sterility which drives with frustration homosexuals to attempt to imitate normal people in what in normal people is called sex, but fail utterly and instead of life produce death

            hey, were you not going to produce an algorithm so that we could take a break?

          • vorpal

            Yes, it is true. When one of our numbers dies, the message travels automatically through the homosexual collective (now with extra semen) and we are all made immediately aware of the loss. It’s then time to begin an intensive recruitment process using a multii-pronged approach including reading books with titles such as “Daddy, Papa, and Me” until they spontaneously develop a penchant for interior design and penis. Then after the bikini portion of the event and the talent show, we pick a lucky new gay winner, who receives his tiara and his official membership card.

          • barbaro70

            vorpie, we haven´t responded as thoroughly as we should although we certainly want to, and are assigning extra resources to catch up

            so, in the meantime you are going to have get your homosexual masochism fix elsewhere, you will have to go elsewhere to get slapped around

            it´s been fun, although you make the abuse entirely too easy

          • vorpal

            See, Barbaro… you are fond of me: you say so as much by admitting that you think I’m fun.

            I’m glad that this special something that we have going on is mutually beneficial. I think you’re pretty fun, too. And spiffy, and neat, even.

  • Anonymous

    Quite possibly the most bigoted, hate-filled article I have ver read. A rainbow flag with a swastika? Really? This is why people have an image of Christians being hateful.

    • RJLigier

      Another borderline psychotic homosexual in denial………….

      • barbaro70

        Borderline??? There is nothing borderline about people who in their sterility and pathetic attempt to imitate normal people commit those perversions.

        • Nell Webbish

          Someone doesn’t know what the word sterility means.

          • barbaro70

            sterility is the silliness of poking your friend in the rear, or getting poked in the rear by your friend, and expecting that what happens in the case of what in normal people is called sex to happen, but doesn´t, with only the production and spreading of disease and dying 20 years early as results

            the sterility, of course, comes from there being no ovaries up the rear end of your friend, or if you are the receiver, up your rear end

          • John

            zzzzzzzzzzzz……..

          • barbaro70

            that snoring represented by the zs is exactly what is killing homosexuals

            ignore reality, commit suicide, survivors while they are still alive blame high homosexual death rate on normal people because of their discriminating and demonizing homosexuality and homosexuals

            the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals, the resulting frustration in not being able to get the same results as normal people in their intimacy, and after all, homosexuals more than anything else want to be not tolerated, not accepted, but admired for their progressiveness in using tools previously used by normal people for only limited things in new, exciting, daredevil uses, like the Russian roulette of anal penetration

            which is why homosexuals and their homosexualist masters have to proselytize, sell the freedom of doing what you want to innocent children, either with or without adopting them

            homosexual problem very costly for normal people, hardworking taxpayers who have pay to clean up homosexuals´ messes

          • vorpal

            LOL!!! You are a riot, barbarian! My husband and I were in stitches, quite literally as he is cross-stitching while I read this nonsense to him. A+++++++++++ would laugh at again!

          • barbaro70

            Here it is again for you to laugh again, Mr. Vorpal, although we would think that it would sink in eventually, that you would memorize it eventually.

            “that snoring represented by the zs is exactly what is killing homosexuals

            ignore reality, commit suicide, survivors while they are still alive
            blame high homosexual death rate on normal people because of their
            discriminating and demonizing homosexuality and homosexuals

            the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuality and
            homosexuals, the resulting frustration in not being able to get the same
            results as normal people in their intimacy, and after all, homosexuals
            more than anything else want to be not tolerated, not accepted, but
            admired for their progressiveness in using tools previously used by
            normal people for only limited things in new, exciting, daredevil uses,
            like the Russian roulette of anal penetration

            which is why homosexuals and their homosexualist masters have to
            proselytize, sell the freedom of doing what you want to innocent
            children, either with or without adopting them

            homosexual problem very costly for normal people, hardworking taxpayers who have pay to clean up homosexuals´ messes”

          • vorpal

            Herp derp derpy derp.

          • barbaro70

            This confused, sad case of a homosexual can only offer incoherence, and we know exactly why. When it says that it loves to roll around in feces and would like anal penetration, that is confusion, that is suicidal.

          • John

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • barbaro70

            give up, Johnny boy, or Johnny it, or Johnny whatever–one can´t know these days, what with 59 varieties of GILBERTS running around, each wanting admiration for his/her/its special kinky stuff–give up on trying to convince us that you don´t care, because we know that you do, that homosexuals live in fear of the nasty consequences of their nasty, filthy business catching up with them, of their sterility and desperation catching up with them

          • vorpal

            59 varieties of GILBERTS (???)
            Over 40,000 denominations of Christianity.
            Who’s the crazy ones?

          • barbaro70

            Yes, vorpal, we mean by GILBERTS the incorrectly called gays–nothing gay about them, the Illustrative transfatgenders, the Libertine transfatquattroruotti, the Bisexuals who have undergone transformative operations twice, theEgregious transquattroruottis, the Returned trannies who have sex changes–as if it could be done–in order to become homosexuals in the new sex, the Transgeneticquattroruottis, and the S is for plural.

            But we cant help you with your preoccupation with 40,000 denominations of Christianity. We are occupied with spreading the word about homosexual sterility and the frustration which produces the kinkiness that you folks are famous for.

          • vorpal

            That wasn’t very clever. Go back and try again. I think you can do better.

          • vorpal

            You forgot to mention the homosexual sterility and the homosexualist masters in that last response.

      • Ben

        Go around posting those rainbow swastikas in public and we will see who’s the one viewed as psychotic.

      • Nell Webbish

        (yawn)

        • barbaro70

          that yawning is exactly what is killing homosexuals

          ignore reality, commit suicide, survivors while they are still alive
          blame high homosexual death rate on normal people because of their
          discriminating and demonizing homosexuality and homosexuals

          the homosexual problem is the sterility of homosexuality and
          homosexuals, the resulting frustration in not being able to get the same
          results as normal people in their intimacy, and after all, homosexuals
          more than anything else want to be not tolerated, not accepted, but
          admired for their progressiveness in using tools previously used by
          normal people for only limited things in new, exciting, daredevil uses,
          like the Russian roulette of anal penetration

          which is why homosexuals and their homosexualist masters have to
          proselytize, sell the freedom of doing what you want to innocent
          children, either with or without adopting them

          homosexual problem very costly for normal people, hardworking taxpayers who have pay to clean up homosexuals´ messes

          • John

            and yet more snoring…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

          • barbaro70

            yep, the homosexual denial syndrome at work–go ahead, kill yourselves with your voracious appetites for attempting to imitate but only perverting what normal people do in their intimacy

  • RJLigier

    Fortunately, the HOMONAZIs/Communists are but a minority of borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals within a minority of neurotic people. Yes, they have infiltrated our institutions, due the fraud of Alfred Kinsey and the subsequent revision of the ALIMPC in 1955. The facts are, the HOMONAZIs/Communists are as impotent as they have ever been as exemplified by the USA/EU response to Putin putting down the Neo-Nazi movement supported by the neocons/progressives/homosexualist EU. For all the threats made by borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals at the municipal, state, and federal level to the US population in their continuous assault on the COTUS in earnest since Eisenhower nomination, the borderline psychotic would be wiped out if they ever sought to initiate hostilities toward the US population.

    • tatoo

      Huh?

  • thisoldspouse

    Overturn all the foundations of society just so the sodomites can be happy.

    That’s what everyone is being “asked” to do.

    • David

      actually I think there are far greater threats to the foundations of society than homosexuals. But that aside you asked me a question at the end of a series of comments that all seem to have disappeared except the original. I honestly don’t know how to deal with the radical fringe of the gay movement. They hate folk like me too even though I partially support what they claim to be fighting for, though it’s obvious they want much more. But the “this is a war and we must win” mentality is doomed to fail. If the opposition is demonized and dehumanized it simply wins them more support. Accusing people of bringing on the end of society really just makes people roll their eyes. Especially when God is brought into the picture. People know that Christianity is supposed to be based on the teaching of Jesus Christ, and secondarily the Apostles. Pulverize the enemy doesn’t fit in there. Anyway it’s too bad those comments went away, the other guy (Martin?) made some good points.

      • thisoldspouse

        Thanks for answering. I really wanted your solution, but you offer none.

    • tatoo

      I don’t think I have been asked to have sex with another woman.

    • Nell Webbish

      Always good to see that comprehensive ignorance of most of human history continues to be a qualifying trait of Matt Barber’s audience even on his new website.

  • brigin

    When you have top Christian leaders on our side calling for an end to anti-sodomy laws around the world you know the fight is over.

  • WXRGina

    Jeff Allen, you rock! Stand firm!

    • thisoldspouse

      I think I just found a new favorite author on cultural issues (present company excepted :))

      • WXRGina

        Me, too, Spouse! It’s so refreshing to hear guys like Jeff and Matt who boldly tell it like it is. You can tell by the screeching and wailing of the leftists that Jeff and Matt are spot-on over the target. The truth cuts liars to the bone, and they despise it.

        • John

          The only ones wailing and screeching are you and spouse. Jeff and Matt are both uneducated haters who cherry pick from your bible what they do and dont want to deal with. I love to watch as your side, wrong side of history, continues to flail about and lose every single court case where marriage equality comes before the court..LOL. Truth??? You and your wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you in the head.

      • WXRGina

        PS: Thank you! :-)

    • Jeff Allen

      Thanks, WXRGina. Appreciate the support. Blessings, Jeff

  • Ben

    So you’re mad that LGBT activists are trying to impose their vision of morality on you after having spent the past 4 decades trying to impose your version of morality on them?

    Can you not see what happened and why you failed so badly? You can’t just treat people like garbage and expect them to just sit there and take it. Christianity spent the past 2000 years mistreating gays and now you’re getting a taste of your own medicine.

    Personally I want some sort of compromise between the rights of traditional Christians and gays but the religious right is not, and has never been, interested in that. The religious right message is that our values are superior and if people don’t like them then too bad we’re going to encode them into law and force them on you. This worked fine for a while but the culture turned against you and now you’re the ones in the crosshairs. If you were a bit smarter you would cut your losses and try to get some sort of compromise but you aren’t so you won’t.

  • rf7777

    Reductio ad Hitlerum. When you play the Nazi card you are telling the world that you are insane.

  • Elcoguy

    You all keep talking as though you are just up against people who are Gay when what you are really up against is the cultural majority in most western developed countries. And this majority will grow year by year as more and more members of each generation coming up believes in equality more than those that came before them.

  • Rick L.

    You probably should have stopped after, “By now…”.

  • pixeloid

    LGBT people aren’t imposing anything on anyone. They’re only insisting on having the same rights as everyone else.

  • http://marconidarwin.myopenid.com Marconi Darwin

    Wow, homophobic much, you bigoted turdball?

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  • vorpal

    No, NAMBLA is to homosexuals as child pornography is to heterosexuals, i.e. no relation. Do you seriously think that gay people have any interest in pedophilia? Most of us are utterly revolted by the very idea and love children just as much as heterosexuals do, Barbarian. You’re just constantly trying to paint our love as something ugly, but that’s on you, toots.

    At age four, the boys and the girls in my preschool were organizing and playing “boys catch girls” outside at recess. While I knew that I most certainly was NOT a girl (nor did I want to be one), I wanted to catch or be caught by a boy. One of my earliest memories is of seeing a man and a woman kiss on TV, and thinking how delightful it would be to kiss another boy. I read the Lord of the Rings at age seven, and remember daydreaming about Frodo and I riding off into the sunset together. So yes, dear Barbaro, the gay was always in me. I didn’t really have any understanding of sex, of course, but I knew what excited me and engaged me in a romantic sense, just like many other little boys and girls do, and people say, “Awwww! How cute!” when a little boy gives a kiss to a little girl.

    Hey, princess: we know there are no ovaries in the butt. Like I said, sex is not about making teh babby 99.95% of the time. My husband and I don’t want biological children. What percentage of your sex life has been with the explicit intent of being procreative?

    • barbaro70

      yep, the nambla perversions are identical to the homosexual perversion, just a difference of one or two months

      so if you didn´t have any understanding of sex, you didn´t know that you were homosexual as you said previously–children simply don´t know about those things and when the model for manhood is missing, the child can be perverted, prosyletized

      we´re pleased that you came back to the sterility of homosexuality and homosexuals as the basis of the homosexual problem and that homosexuals, desperate to be normal or at least to appear normal because you know you are not normal, try but fail pathetically to imitate normal people in their intimacy and instead of producing babies, produce and spread disease

      there is no way that you and your buddy can have biological children–you express understanding about the missing ovaries

      • vorpal

        LOL there was no model for manhood missing in my life.

        Keep on making up your blithering nonsense.

        Thank the nonexistent god that there are no ovaries around these parts. We don’t want any. =shudder=

        • barbaro70

          no, vorpie, in your case the model for manhood was there, but in the case of the millions…GAZILLIONS! of other homosexuals it was missing and that is documented

          right, thank the nonexistent god that there are no ovaries around these parts, so your, as a homosexual are sterile, so the practices of homosexuality, the principles of homosexuality are sterile

          you don´t want any children, but many homosexuals do want children and they do silly, silly things to get them, their candy

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