Russian Olympic Committee president: gay athletes won’t face discrimination at Sochi – video

WAS ANTI-RUSSIAN HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH VIDEO A HOAX?

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I have just two words in response to the Human Rights Watch video of supposed homosexual harassment in Russia:  Matthew Shepard.

To this day, despite the fact that a major federal law is named after him and untold thousands of pubic school children have been (and are still being) brainwashed in “gay” propaganda through a play about his life, the majority of Americans still do not know that the Matthew Shepard hate crime story was a hoax.  That’s because (with rare exceptions) homosexual political activists and their “progressive” allies sitting in most of the seats of power in the mainstream media are LIARS.

What’s that, America?  This is the first you’ve about the Shepard hoax?  What a surprise. You mean to say that your trusted mainstream news sources didn’t tell you that last September a “gay” journalist exposed the Matthew Shepard “hate crime” murder as an incident of “gay on gay” violence by poor Matt’s former sex partners in a drug deal gone bad?  Hmmm.

Maybe the Shepard hoax was such a rare incident, and so damaging to the otherwise worthy effort of protecting “gays” from violence that we should forgive the media for suppressing the story?  After all, it is certainly true that homosexuals as a class truly are victims of terrible persecution and violence.  Aren’t they?

Let’s look at some of the most recent examples.  We all know, of course, that the most hateful “anti-gay” regime in the world is Uganda.  We know that because the media tells us so.  We know especially about Ugandan “gay rights” leader David Kato, murdered in broad daylight in Kampala by a vicious homophobe inspired by the “hateful” preaching of yours truly.

But, no, after a week of world-wide hysterical hand-wringing and finger-pointing by the leftist media and “human rights” groups, the Ugandan police caught the killer, who turned out to be a male prostitute, Enoch Sydney Nsubuga whom Kato bailed out of jail to be his live-in lover and houseboy.

Young Enoch confessed to bashing in Kato’s head with a hammer and is now serving 30 years in a Ugandan prison.

So Kato was just another super-high-profile “gay” murder that turns out to be “gay on gay” violence.  Didn’t see that follow-up coverage in your trusted mainstream news sources?  Don’t take it so hard.  The Marxist law firm suing me for “Crimes Against Humanity” (based largely on the Kato case) didn’t include those inconvenient facts in their complaint, either.  If the urgency of the “gay rights” cause can justify lawyers bound by strict rules of ethics to withhold these facts from a U.S. federal judge, what do you expect as a mere member of the pubic from journalists with no ethics at all?

Speaking of hammers, they seem to be the weapon of choice for “gay” men who want to murder their lovers.  Last week the Daily Mail covered the 1986 murder of President Obama’s high-school drug dealer and party-pal “Gay Ray” Boyer by his live-in rent boy…with a hammer.

But I digress.

Are there any more examples of persecution of homosexuals in the news lately?  Well, there’s the case of that lesbian waitress who was the object of a cruel message instead of a tip.  But no, that turned out to be a hoax.  Or that guy in, where was it?  Montana?  That “gay” guy that got beat up outside the bar?  We all saw the pictures cause that story got major coverage.  But no, that turned out to be a hoax also.

Wait, what about that famous “gay” celebrity journalist, Carlos Castro, murdered in his hotel room in New York a few years ago?  Oops, that was another “gay on gay” killing, this time (close your ears men) due to blood loss after castration with a corkscrew. Ouch!  (I guess there weren’t any hammers around.)

The “gay” killer of “gay” fashion celebrity Gianni Versace (Elton John’s pal), used a hammer, but not on Versace.  He shot Versace but killed several other “gay” friends with a hammer.  But again, I digress (It’s hard to maneuver around all these heaps of corpses in the “gay” community).

I could go on and on but you get the point.  I’ve got a huge file on these cases.  Hundreds of them, some of which, including some mentioned above are archived on my website under “Hate Crimes and Fraud.”

One of my favorite “gay” hate-crime hoaxes was the case of Azalea Cooley back in Portland, Oregon in 1992 when I was the spokesman for Ballot Measure 9 (which would have amended the state constitution to stop the “gay” agenda there).

Poor Azalea, a wheelchair-bound Black lesbian, was subjected to a vicious months-long hate campaign that included 21 cross-burnings on her front lawn… until a couple of rogue cops set up their own private sting and caught Ms. Cooley walking out her own front door in the dead of night with a wooden cross and a can of gasoline.  Which, of course, didn’t stop the No on 9 campaign (one week later) from conducting their massive “March Against Hate” parade from Azalea’s neighborhood to downtown Portland, with their “hate-crimes” poster-child Azalea leading the parade… in her wheelchair!!  (You couldn’t make this stuff up.)

No one, of course, asked Azalea’s roommate (who worked for the Sheriff’s Department), or Police Chief Tom Potter (a No on 9 spokesman whose daughter was an open lesbian on the force) why law enforcement could never catch the “hate criminals” prior to the rogue cops’ sting.  Potter went on to become Mayor of Portland while I continued to be accused by the Oregon media of “creating a climate of hate and fear” for saying “gay rights” activists are liars.  Go figger.

Last Fall, on behalf of pro-family advocates here in the United States and Canada, I sent a letter to President Vladimir Putin thanking his government for passing a law protecting Russian children from “gay” propaganda.  In that letter I offered this warning:

In readying your society to recognize and counter the efforts of the militant gay movement it is important to understand that their propaganda and policies adhere invariably to the narrative that all disapproval of homosexuality leads inevitably to hatred, violence and murder of homosexuals. All of the pro-homosexual policies in the United States and Europe rest on this unstated and unchallenged but fictional premise. Thus, the homosexualist movement is not simply seeking social tolerance, or acceptance, but political power and control. They want the power to stamp out all disapproval of homosexuality in your society and to compel every citizen (especially the youth) to embrace the view that homosexual conduct is good and normal….In the coming months and years Russia and Her people will be increasingly portrayed by emotion laden and abusive hyperbole as bigoted haters, intent on exterminating homosexuals.

The Human Rights Watch video, released to coincide with the opening of he Sochi Olympics is fulfillment of my prophecy.  I predict more will follow.

I have one final, very important point to make in this article.  I am NOT saying that all of the incidents described in the video are fakes.

While it is true that “gay” activists are masters of public deception, and their ranks include not just veteran political propagandists but also billionaires like George Soros and movie producer David Geffin — with the capability of staging any possible scenario flawlessly —  I believe some of the incidents depicted on the film are probably real.

But that raises the question, who are these perps?  Q. What sort of men go out of their way to find and harass effeminate “gay” men on the public streets?  A.  They are, literally, NAZIs!  Ultra-Macho Nationalists, of which Russia has many.  Q.  And who makes up a significant part of the Nationalist movement everywhere in the world through all of modern history?  A. Masculine oriented homosexual men of the very same sort that created the Nazi Party of Germany.

As “gay” journalist Johann Hari (another rare truth-teller) admitted in his Huffington Post article, “The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists”: This is a taboo topic for a gay left-wing man like me to touch, but there has always been a weird, disproportionate overlap between homosexuality and fascism….With the exception of Jean-Marie Le Pen, all the most high-profile fascists in Europe in the past thirty years have been gay…. Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell [explains] …‘They are going for hyper-masculinity, the most extreme possible way of being a man….These troubled men have a simple belief in their minds: ‘Straight men are tough. Queers are weak. Therefore if I’m tough I can’t be queer.’  [Bashing the Femmes] is a desperate way of proving their manhood.’”

Read the whole article, it’s priceless.

Indeed, even the ultimate “gay” clam to victim status — persecution by Nazis under the Third Reich — was almost entirely Butch/Femme “gay on gay” harassment.

So in conclusion, I say the Human Rights Watch video is just another piece of deceptive Machiavellian “gay” propaganda, offered to prove the completely false narrative that all disapproval of homosexuality leads to hatred and murder.   Whether or not any parts of the video are unstaged, the product as a whole is perpetrating a hoax.

Do not be fooled.  The “gays” are not the victims, at least not as a class.  In stories like this they are usually the bullies beating up each other (or themselves) on and off camera, sometimes by consent, to dupe the public into granting them collective “victim status,” with all of the extensive social and political benefits that entails.

If the producers of this video really want to depict violence against “gays” they should turn their cameras inward.

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  • Alex Guittarr

    Scott, it is stuff like this that got you charged with crimes against humanity. Human being are suffering greatly all over the world because of people like you, because you firmly believe that loving someone of the same sex is a disgusting sin. Blood is on your hands and it seems like you don’t even care.
    I may be an atheist, but I used to be Christian until I was 17, and I can tell you this from the bottom of my heart: if God was real, he would cast you down into Hell in a moment’s notice. You stand as far away from Christ’s values as humanly possible, and I truly hope that the court put you in your place soon.

    • IvanRider

      Cut the crap. Homosexuality is a disease of of the mind, and those caught up in it do a majority of the harm to themselves.

      He got charged because he challenged the Cultural Marxists who are using the QPZs to suit their own ends in bringing about the genocide of western culture. Also, the law in Uganda was against those who would sodomize…CHILDREN! So…to protect children from HIV+ pedophile molesters is a crime against humanity? You’re cracking me up!

      • Ron Robertson

        You’re the one spewing crap. Homosexuality is not a disease, or a lifestyle, or any of that nonsense. The law in Uganda criminalizes being gay, they falsely claimed it was to protect children, but that’s not what the law itself says. Children are nearly always used to pass repugnant laws.

        • StraightGrandmother

          What the Haters actually believe that everyone is straight and sexual minorities are all fallen straights

          • IvanRider

            You would presume to lecture me about hate? I’m not the one stealing your photos on Facebook and making false Taliban comparisons, while telling others where you live. That’s what your side did to ME this morning! And I am NOT happy about it!

          • StraightGrandmother

            Well at least you are not being hunted and assaulted like the Gays in Russia. See things could be worse. I’m not on Facebook so I am not of help to you.

          • IvanRider

            I can’t speak for every instance of the “hunting” you claim goes on. But it’s a tad myopic to attack Russians for going after the “gay guy” after that same “gay guy” just flashed them in public or randomly engaged in sexual battery in public against a Russian child.

            Two things you need to understand about Russians:

            1. They are very proud of their religious heritage, which they had to rescue from the hands of Stalin as Stalin turned his back on the church and nearly burned all of Orthodoxy to the ground in his modern-day Nero-style madness. You mess with their sanctuaries, like the Pussycats did, you are asking for trouble. They don’t tolerate such disturbances of the peace nor such acts of trespassing and vandalism. Nor should they be expected to.

            And when you disregard them in this manner, expect to be hunted down like animals. That’s Russian culture. They don’t take BS like that from anyone! Least of all, western perverts who are only in on a visa anyway!

            “This is OUR home! You wanna be a creep, go back to your own!”

            A majority of the “targets” were not Russian natives; but foreign outsiders. Madonna, for example, is a British subject. She is now banned in Russia for blatantly violating the terms of her visa.

            Sexual lawlessness begets other forms of lawlessness, evidently. And acts like it should be able to do so without any trace of consequence.

            2. Russians will defend their children to the bitter end.

            You think Americans get nasty if you mess with their kids? You ain’t seen NOTHING! Violate a child in front of his babushka, and you’re dead where you stand. Russians have no patience for that BS.

          • MarkOH

            Your ignorance and bigotry are very apparent.

          • IvanRider

            Are you insinuating that it’s “bigotry” to defend a child from public sexual battery? Are you insinuating that Stalin had the right idea to institute mass graves? (Where, by the way, he mass-slaughtered gays and Christians both!)

            Are you insinuating that because Russians have those attitudes, that I automatically agree with every single thing every single one of them does based on said attitudes? You’re jumping quite a few guns, Mark.

          • MarkOH

            Was a child “sexually battered”? Is that the ONLY reason these discriminatory laws are in place?

          • partiZancritic

            Apparently you never read the news, mark. Here, read this, it’s from a Russian website. We’re not expecting you to feel any sympathy for the children, your lot never does, blinded as you are by your own wants. But at least try to understand why the Russians have kicked you homosexualists out.
            http://rt.com/news/pedophile-syndicate-russian-boy-481/

          • partiZancritic

            But that’s a lie. They are not “hunted and assaulted” Homosexuals were free to sodomize each other in Russia long before they were in the US. They still are. They have nightclubs in Sochi for goodness sake!
            Why don’t you try the truth for once? What do you have to lose?

          • MarkOH

            You can close your eyes to truth, and claim it’s false. But it doesn’t deny what truth is whether in Russia or the US

          • partiZancritic

            Homosexuality has not been illegal for decades in Russia – well before the US legalized it. Truth or fiction?

            Only the teaching of homosexuality as ok to minors is being banned, together with public promotions of homosexual behaviour. True or false?

            The gay athletes are within walking distance from gay nightclubs in Sochi. True or false?

          • MarkOH

            True, but they risk their lives going to it. And God forbid if they hold hands (like the hetero couples). Wow, amazing how you don’t seem to know anything tangible about reality in Russia.

          • thisoldspouse

            Hunted? LOL!!! Go join a drama club, but don’t quit your day job, crooked GM.

          • Ray

            Ivan, Are you a bottom or a top?

        • IvanRider

          Which sex act is essential to continuation of the species? Which one invents ways around what it can’t duplicate?

          Which one knows when to go ahead and when not to, versus which one only ever pushes forward toward what it wants, regardless of what it has to steal?

          And you wish to deny Uganda’s history? Take that up with them!

          By the way, lewd public conduct between ANY two human beings is what’s TRULY repugnant! That’s a public health and safety hazard! Keep that crap out of public view!

          You want to be a sicko, take it indoors to your OWN HOME, and you’re fine!!!

          • MarkOH

            Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Hm, you probably do.

          • partiZancritic

            Lol. Well, better than what you kiss, mark.

          • MarkOH

            I love bigots. You assume I am gay and then assume I will be insulted by your name calling.

          • partiZancritic

            You have no idea what I assume.

          • MarkOH

            Oh, but I can. And it involves man on man action.

      • Alex Guittarr

        Did you ever think about why these people do harm to themselves? Maybe because people like you relentlessly make up crap and tell them that they are diseased, even though there is literally no evidence to support that claim.

        Also, read the law, Ivan. It has nothing to do with that, but rather that you can be arrested for simply having consensual sex with another person of the same sex. You’re only saying these things because of the assumption that almost all of us have HIV and the cover-up of trying to “protect the children” from homosexuals, even though you have no problem discussing heterosexuals with them, which involves just as much discussion of sexuality as homosexuality.

        This has never been about protecting children, but rather allowing people like you to stick your heads in the ground and keep your pathetic biases and stereotypes from mixing with reality. The fact that you would stick up for this scumbag, this man who has brought about untold amounts of suffering to LGBT people and taken advantage of the unfortunately ignorant to advance his own hatred, shows that you have some serious problems to work out, and I can only hope that you wake up one day and realize this: I am pansexual, but I am not sick, or a sinner, or a pervert or a pedophile. I am a human being who bleeds, cries, laughs, breaths and loves just like you.

      • Guest

        You deserve a bullet to your head you mentally diseased rabid barbarian.

        • Kyle

          No he doesn’t, but I say he should be thrown in prison or “rehabilitation” after all, that is what he advocates be done to homosexuals for the crime of existing. I wonder will he believe that that is a “hateful” position to hold or just a “disagreement”… LOL!

        • Matt

          Terrible response. I think he’s completely out of touch with reality, and he adds nothing of value to this public forum, but talk of violence like that is never ok.

  • Lightning Baltimore

    You are a sick man, Lively.

    • Rockon

      Ad hominem…you can’t address his view point directly, so you name call. Good job.

      • Lightning Baltimore

        His article is a pack of lies, distortions, and outright hate mongering. I don’t have all day to address each of his so-called points.

      • rcdcr

        Lively advocates for the willful mistreatment of human beings by their Governments.

        Only a sicko would support that. You need help of the medical variety, not the Jesus variety.

    • IvanRider

      He says it’s wrong for an HIV+ pedophile molester to molest a child and give AIDS to a child, and agrees there needs to be a law in Uganda to stop such sexual predators. And you call HIM the sicko??? Maybe I should send someone to investigate how you behave around children…

      • Ron Robertson

        Being HIV+ does not mean you’re gay, and being gay does not mean you’re HIV+. Lively has been pushing for years to criminalize the way people are born, and lying about what gay people are. You either are completely bamboozled by him, or doing the bamboozling yourself.

        • IvanRider

          That “born that way” argument is a tired, gagging, wheezing, longing-to-die fallacy, that even many homosexuals have rejected!

          If it were true, then 100% of cases of a gay man having a twin would mean the twin was also gay. It only happens in 38% of cases. And they never found a straight gene or a gay gene.

          Your myth has been busted.

          • Zachary Adams

            So, IvanRider, become gay for the next two hours to prove your point. Go on. We’ll wait for your report.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, you fail at SO many levels. TRUST me, as someone who has a Masters degree in human genetics, it does NOT have to be 100%. The FACT that same sex attraction occurs at a higher incidence in identical twins, than in siblings, is proof of a genetic or inherited basis.

          • partiZancritic

            Lol, if you had a Master’s (note how it is spelled) in genetics, you would know that it HAS to be 100%. That it isn’t so PROVES it isn’t biological. The fact you speak about has been produced by behavioral/social factors, not biological (ie, genetic) ones. Twins tend to copy each other, and do things together more than other siblings. That’s a FACT.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, no, rarely is anything 100%, even in genetics. The studies also looked at twins growing up in separate households and the results are the same. You do realize that identical twins can have different eye color and other traits that are dissimilar?

          • partiZancritic

            Wow. You are really thick, feller. Which part of “Show us some evidence to demonstrate there is a genetic link” do you not understand?
            And what studies are you on about? Not the ones you mentioned above, surely you have something more reliable?

          • MarkOH

            It is laughable that you claim to understand genetics.

            Sigh, like all haters, you refuse to see the truth. To pick and dismiss peer reviewed studies, restate your lies, and then INSIST people disprove them AGAIN.

            And yet, you cannot provide any peer reviewed studies to the contrary. Just the garage from NARTH who had to develop a journal of it’s own people to say it’s “studies” are in a journal.

          • thisoldspouse

            MarkOH, like most homosexualists, is a blatant liar. He probably has an eight grade education and posts from his mommy’s basement.

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        Maybe you should ask Scott Lively about the pedophile molester HE PERSONALLY HIRED to run his “teen outreach” coffee house in Massachusetts.

      • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

        No, Lively backed the Uganda law that would have imposed the death penalty on anyone convicted twice of same-sex relations (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)

        In fact, the would have imposed the death penalty on straight people convicted more than once of not turning in their gay friends to the authorities.

        • mantronikk

          I can prove that Rob Tisinai will tell a lie on someone to further the cause of the glbt community. I can also prove that Rob Tisinai will NOT denounce speaking to children about homosexuality WITHOUT the consent of that child’s parents.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            So prove it.

          • MarkOH
          • partiZancritic

            Apparently, sarcasm is not something you understand. lol

          • MarkOH

            Which post is sarcasm?

          • mantronikk

            This link was blocked the first time I answered you within minutes of your question so I’ll try again.
            http://heteroseparatist.blogspot.com/2010/11/operation-pushback.html

          • mantronikk

            I’ve tried twice to post a link to my proof but apparently the moderators have a problem with my blog, so I will ask you to go to heteroseparatist dot com and look up the post for 30 Nov. 2010.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Your blog post states, “When homosexuality is correctly defined as male-on-male sexual intercourse or sexual contact, the Tisinai formula illustrates how gay men are far more dangerous to young boys than heterosexual men are to young girls.” Your definition covers sexual acts between males, not males with a homosexual orientation.

            In other words, you lied. You implied that all males who have had sex with other males are homosexual and extended that to imply that openly gay men are, therefore, likely to molest young boys and should be considered dangerous. Rob called our your egregious bending of the truth in his video response to your post.

            YOU lied. Rob called you out for it. End of story.

          • MarkOH

            LOL he rejects “homophobia” but also anyone who engages in same sex acts. He lies on his very first page! Ah, the hate, it burns.

        • StraightGrandmother

          Keep pointing that out Rob time and time again, keep pointing that out. Let no false narrative be published that you don’t expose the truth. If they lie 100 times then 100 times please tell the truth. I never get tied of reading the truth.

      • Lightning Baltimore

        The laws in Uganda are not designed to punish “an HIV+ pedophile molester [who] molest[s] a child and give[s] AIDS to [him or her].” The laws are designed to punish *anyone* who is known to be homosexual and any straight person who does not report homosexuals to the authorities. Nice try at changing the script, though.

  • HomerTh

    Oh New Year’s Day in 1990 my friend Philip Zeigler was shot in the head in Dallas, Texas by a man who screamed at him as he was dying that he deserved what being murdered because he was a “Faggot.” Philip had gotten off work from a hotel and was walking home. I suppose, Scott Lively, that in your perverted mind, walking home from work is “bullying.”

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Faked??

  • SoCalVet

    Who would Jesus gaybash?

  • Raisinhead

    To anyone gullible enough to believe Lively just watch the video and make your own mind up:
    http://youtu.be/zMTbFSJ_Tr4
    Or try watching the documetnary ‘Hunted’ from Channel4 if you can bear to watch the sickening vioence and hate for LBGT people on display.
    http://youtu.be/Vy8tGBI5Kdk

    Scott Lively, this article has been archived and will be sent to the team prosecuting you for war crimes as further evidence of your ceaseless efforts to incite hatred against LBGT persons.

  • portertx

    May the Blood, Pain, Suffering and Deaths of any and all LGBT be on your soul (if you actually have one) – May whatever GOD you believe in have no mercy on you during your judgement for they way you have treated (and incited other too treat) the LGBT community.

    • IvanRider

      To expose a few fakers as fakers earns him eternal damnation? Is the cause of pervertsexuality and fecal matter in the bloodstream really such a sacrament to you, that you have to insist that something is true even after the curtain is pulled away and the gay wizard is shown a fraud?

      • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

        Ivan, if all he were doing is exposing a few fakers there would be no controversy, but you can read so you must realize that he is using these few fakers as a pretext to dismiss hate crimes in general.

        • IvanRider

          On the contrary. He doesn’t want public policy to be predicated on stories that aren’t true. If a man is beaten half to death by another man except in self-defense, there is a case for criminal charges. Motive becomes irrelevant in that context. Also, why is gay-on-straight violence dismissed in courts, even when there is incontrovertible evidence? Why is pro-abort-on-pro-life physical assault dismissed by judges who refuse to obey the law by letting the case be heard, even with damning video evidence of what really happened?

          Meanwhile, acting like predators in Uganda should be allowed to get away with preying on children is all kinds of wrong. And to call a man a “criminal against humanity” for protecting said children from said predators is high-flying moral gymnastics.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Okay, so you admit he’s not just exposing a few fakers. That’s progress. Meanwhile, the Uganda law Lively supported would have imposed the death penalty on anyone convicted twice of same-sex relations (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)

            In fact, the law would have imposed the death penalty on straight people convicted more than once of not turning in their gay friends to the authorities.

      • portertx

        I am sorry he is the man responsible for the Uganda Kill The Gays Bill….and people of his ilk…he is no better than a Nazi – trying to purge the world of people he deems unworthy of life.

        Ivan there is not one sexual act that does not occur in the LGBT community that does not also occur in the heterosexual community. Until such a time that heterosexuals refrain from their perverted sexual practices. As you probably know not everyone engages in every sexual act so please do not generalize.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    If you have a soul, it is infected beyond treatment.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    Blame the victim, a classic move by bullies when they have been found out and unmasked for who they really are. Scott, you have been found out and you continue to loose an audience, the time will come that you will be nothing more than a bitter old hater who will see all his fears realized. I hope you live long enough to see the results of your hatred, both the positive ones (because your hatred is turning people off and turning even more people to our cause) and the negative ones because the time will come when the hatred you have fomented will come to look at you directly at your face and kiss you

    • Rockon

      Nice ad hominem

      • Lindoro Almaviva

        Oh look, he thinks he invalidated my argument because he used a big word. Keep it up, no, I mean it, do; because it is so cute when you throw stuff you do not know anything about and think that somehow you have made a great debate point.

        • IvanRider

          You have no argument. You are simply swallowing what George-Soros-the-Devil wants you to believe without question.

          And shouldn’t the vast number of fakes be discussed? It does put a serious hole in the 1998 narrative that was established as a means of attacking the church.

          But it was all a lie. You are modern Neros, blaming the church for starting a fire it had nothing to do with. And just like with Shepherd, I suspect it’s to hide your connections to the drug underworld.

          • Lindoro Almaviva

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh thank you. I needed that laugh. My day had taken a turn for the worse an you just made it better. Oh, my sides…

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            And shouldn’t the vast number of fakes be discussed?

            Go ahead. As I asked someone else (and got no reply) how many reports are fake, how many are real, and what’s your source for this statistical data?

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Ivan, are you sayiing that Lindoro has come on this board to talk about hate crimes in order to cover up his own connections to the drug underworld?

            Exactly how would that work?

          • IvanRider

            Seeing you define “understanding fecal matter in the bloodstream to be a bad thing” as being the same thing as racial hatred, you’re hardly on objective or rational grounds to begin with.

            But even my uncle in California can attest, as he’s been in-and-out of the gay life, that the psychosis of gay makes drug abuse very, very appealing. And drug dealers are well-aware of this. Wherever you have gay “communities,” you have drugs.

            And wherever you have the drugs being pushed, you have gun violence also. And drug deals that go bad. And there is nobody more violent or filled with actual hatred, then someone who gets ripped off over drug money.

          • MarkOH

            So, is your uncle gay?
            And, where did you get your degree? I am in the medical field and have never heard of “the psychosis of gay”. Due to the vilification of a normal sexual orientation, there is an increase in mental health needs in the LGBT people but this is hardly a psychosis.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Actually, you missed the point. While the fantasy you spun was entertaining, to say the least, it didn’t answer my question:

            How would Lindoro coming onto this board to talk about hate crimes actually accomplish covering up his own (alleged) connections to the drug underworld?

  • rcdcr

    I dunno. If I was about to stand trial for Crimes Against Humanity, I would probably decline to post something like this, Mr. Lively.

    Then again, I am an intelligent, moral human being.

    • Emma Duncan

      they have lost the fight, so its desperation time.

      • IvanRider

        Far from it.

        • Ray

          Are you Scott’s lover?

          • Black Talon

            ray, maybe you are sodomite lover?

          • Ray

            Are you Ivan’s lover bottom?

    • IvanRider

      The “crime” was suggesting reparative therapy as an alternative to execution, which Uganda wanted in its law for any pedophiles who are HIV+ who sodomize a child and give the child AIDS.

      Apparently, children are to be objects for predatory adults, and protecting children from said predators is a “crime against humanity” to the modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah.

      Lively is positive that anyone with a brain still intact can see that, as well as see that fecal matter in the bloodstream is not a cause worthy of propping up fakes and liars.

      You don’t see that, so you lie when you say you’re a moral being. And you act like fecal matter in the bloodstream is a sacrament, so you’re lying about the intelligence part.

      • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

        Ivan, as long as you keep spreading the same misinformation, I’m going to keep giving you the same refutation: The Uganda law Lively supported would have imposed the death penalty on anyone convicted twice of same-sex relations (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)

        In fact, the law would have imposed the death penalty on straight people convicted more than once of not turning in their gay friends to the authorities.

        • rcdcr

          This is why I love you, Rob!

          Truth ALWAYS wins over lies.

        • Black Talon

          so, nothing wrong with punishing immorality. now protecting immorality like you do, now that is wrong. and Scott Lively did not support the proposed bill in its entirety, in fact, he opposed the death penalty option. but i on the other hand do support the death penalty option.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Fortunately, it matters not at all what you support. And it never will.

          • jay

            That’s because you’re sick in the head. Reading some of your babbling is like listening to some retard on the street.

  • Gayskeptic

    Mr. Lively, please, do yourself a favor and read something else than the bible. The world is a wonderful place that you should get out and know. Educate yourself and try to be happy. Reading this I get one thing loud and clear: You are a sad and bitter person. Also, you are not getting any younger and your legacy must not be one of hate and blind rage against things you clearly don’t understand or fear. The way I live my life is none of your business and your constant obsession against homosexuality could be easily interpreted as self hatred. So, be happy, and try to undo the horrible things you are promoting overseas and redeem yourself.

  • Maggie 4NoH8

    Seriously? I don’t even know where to begin! This column is just that crazy! How can someone be so untethered to reality and not be under supervision – medical or otherwise?

    • Black Talon

      look in the mirror ask that question again, you might get an answer.

  • Goodboy

    To believe Lively is to believe every abused woman is just beating herself up to be filmed. This is just disgusting but not surprising coming from a guy with an upcoming “Crimes Against Humanity” trial.

    • Black Talon

      crimes against humanity? what a joke, it just goes to show how immoral these sodomites and sodomite codders are.

      • MarkOH

        When one advocates for the imprisonment and death of a group of people for no other reason than their existence, it is a crime against humanity. The person advocating for it is a vile and hateful person.

      • portertx

        Sodomites — Do you happen to know what the definition of Sodomy actually includes — make sure you too are not a sodomite….Pot Kettle Black

        noun

        1.

        sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

  • StraightGrandmother

    This is along the same lines of being a Holocaust Denier, isn’t it?
    Didn’t Scott Lively see the new Pew Poll?

    Should Society Accept Homosexuality?
    88% Spain
    80% Canada
    77% France
    60% US
    16% #Russia——
    2% Pakistan
    1% Nigeria http

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/
    WHY is there an upsurge in anti gay hatred in Russia, well I think this picture tells the reason, don’t you?

  • ikahana

    Using discredited stories to attempt to ignore the very real violence and hatred aimed at the LGBT community so you can publish this piece on the web site of a man who used to beat other men for a living? Christian “love”. How cowardly not to include a link to the video which you lie about – the one that features scenes the attackers proudly posted on the internet. They haven’t been shy about their actions, they boast of the terror they have unleashed. You, Mr Lively, are a sick, twisted man and being convicted, as you soon will be, for crimes against humanity doesn’t even begin to touch the filth which you spread to the fearful.

    • IvanRider

      By violence, of course, you mean our refusal to lie down and die when the pervertsexuals trample us under their feet, throw beer bottles at our old ladies, sue our businesses out of existence for refusing to be turned into their propaganda centers, and ejaculate all over the pews in our churches after chasing us out and smashing the stained glass windows?

      If our refusal to die quietly when they treat us like that is your definition of “hate,” then and only then, you have a case. A very twisted one.

      • MarkOH

        LOL do you REALLY think LGBT people will treat you, like you treat them? Even if it is Biblical (“Do to others as you would have them do to you” Luke 6:31), it won’t happen. Try some other way to just your hatred and violence towards LGBT folk

        • Bernie Keefe

          He’s obviously mired in ignorance. He doesn’t even know us.

  • Drew2U

    …You are about as low as it gets. People like you have blood all over your hands.

  • BillTheCat45

    Great start to your pretend news site Matty, with a liar on trial for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Scumbags.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.anziulewicz PolishBear

    Mr. Lively, have you even BOTHERED to watch any of the videos that groups of anti-Gay thugs are proudly posting online? Maybe this one will warm your heart:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59WCKaKqjKY

    • IvanRider

      This, after what those pedobears did to helpless Russian children, is understandable – if not commendable.

      And you still haven’t answered for this, Polish:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0ZvliA3AM

  • Emma Duncan

    oh yeah, I remember when back in 1988 Rebecca Wright faked her own death and managed to seriously woun her partner by shooting themselves, they even managed to get a nice straight man convicted, by having him claim to “have become enraged” while watching them have sex” dayum they be sneaky, also petty officer Allen Schindler had a nice straight guy stomp him to death in a bathroom…

  • Ron Robertson

    Classic signs that your conscience is bothering you, Lively, you’re trying to deny the evidence against you that you are providing a moral sanction for violence against gay people. Your subconscious is telling you that you are responsible, but your conscious is desperately trying to deny it. You’re guilty, you have a lot of blood on your hands, and you’re trying to escape responsibility for it. Since you’re a moral coward, I imagine you’ll probably double down on your denials until the end. Just know this, millions know you’re responsible, evil, and are covered in the blood of innocents.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Rationalization, is the greatest human need.
      When you do something bad and your conscience is bothering you for your wickedness, you rationalize. This is what we see Lively doing here. He went to Russia and stoked the anti gay flames, now that it is out of control he is rationalizing it to himself, “Maybe it’s not really true?” he thinks.
      Lively, it’s true, You Built That.

      • partiZancritic

        No, he didn’t. As is your usual approach, you imply that other people are stupid, and that they can’t think for themselves. Here, you’re also showing up your sad racism, though I suppose you’d be unaware of it. Ugandans are quite capable of making the decision for themselves. Are you actually claiming that Dr Lively has “built it” (in Uganda)?
        Why don’t you rejoice at good news instead? For example, that the rate of HIV infections are going down in Uganda (and Kenya, where homosexualist propaganda is now illegal).
        Go watch this, these are real people you’re vilifying
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzQK157wQrg

  • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

    Scott has just solved our prison over-crowding problem! His reasoning seems to be that if some accusations are false then all accusations must be false — which means that everyone in prison was wrongly convicted and we can let them all out.

    • Rockon

      Based on the amounts of fake hate crimes,, exaggerations, and crying wolf, I say Lively has a good basis and foundation for his view

      • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

        Okay, Rockon, how many fake reports vs real reports have there been, and where are you getting your data?

        • Rockon

          Have you checked the FBI crime reports in the last decade or so?

          Between 1995 and 2010, the FBI reported an average of a little over 1.4 million violent crimes each year in the U.S. Of those violent crimes, the FBI reported that anti-homosexual “hate” crimes were an average of 1,241 per year. That’s far less than 1% of total violent crimes. It’s .00085586 to be exact.

          In 2009, for example, out of that .00085586 of total yearly violent crimes, 57% of those “hate” crimes on homosexuals are Simple Assault and Intimidation charges. (Simple Assault is limited to the use of physical force and results in little to no injury. Intimidation is the use of profanity, slurs, and verbal abuse- which is essentially just name calling). 21% of “hate” crimes against homosexuals is Destruction of Property. 15% is Aggravated Assault. 1% is labeled “Other.” And far less than 1% (.003) were Murder, Non-negligent Manslaughter, and Forcible Rape…

          http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/data/table_04.html

          Have you seen the reports of fake “hate” crimes perpetrated by homosex advocates one after the other?

          http://acutemania.net/anti-gay-hate-scams-hoaxes-and-fabrications-part-1/

          http://acutemania.net/anti-gay-hate-scams-hoaxes-and-fabrications-part-2/

          http://acutemania.net/anti-gay-hate-scams-hoaxes-and-fabrications-part-3/

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    Wow, just wow. I am so sorry for your loss.

  • Womyn2me

    You are a liar. Your maker is very, very disappointed in you.

    • IvanRider

      So was it a “hate crime” when Daphne Wright was found guilty of murdering another lesbian with a chainsaw, even though all the forensics pointed directly to her? And what of Daphne’s crime?

      • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

        Ivan, neither Lively nor Womyn2me mention Daphne or her victim, so how does your question relate to whether Womyn2me is lying?

  • Chip70

    Azalea Cooley was a gay person, perhaps – but the displayed hate crimes had nothing to do with that fact. Like how Scott Lively calls himself a Dr, really has nothing to do with actually being a doctor.

    • Rockon

      You really couldn’t think of anything smarter or more sensible to write?

      • Ron Robertson

        Ironic YOU would say that.

      • Chip70

        Yea – that’s about it for my “smarts”. I google Azalea Cooley. Read about what she did. It was easy to determine her hoax had nothing to do with her being gay.. So it was even easier to determine that Lively, like so many homophobes, lie. Why? You a big fan of Lively’s “work”? Are you all for a man who’s direct involvement resulted in a case against him for removing human rights? Can you imagine how hard a single guy from Massachusetts must have to work to make other people lives in Uganda miserable? Can you imagine how much that guy must HATE gay people to want to do that? Are you all for that? That’s a lot of hate…

  • The Randy Report

    Why, with views like this, I just can’t IMAGINE that you’ve been charged with crimes against humanity. Why, who would think? This only serves to support the case against you Mr. Lively. You ask in this post – “What sort of men would go out of their way to harass gay men?” Have you looked in a mirror lately?

    What sort of men go out of their way to find and harass effeminate “gay” men on the public streets?
    Read more at http://barbwire.com/2014/02/10/anti-russian-human-rights-watch-video-hoax/#yaqqB1opgjFAPeTq.99
    What sort of men go out of their way to find and harass effeminate “gay” men on the public streets?
    Read more at http://barbwire.com/2014/02/10/anti-russian-

  • James Anderson

    It might be an idea for the site admin to read its own posting policy before publishing such filth. About the only element lacking is the all caps example. Lively gets in all the others.

    That this person his ;icing writing such fantasies about the lives of others is truly pitiful

    • partiZancritic

      Which example he gave is a ‘fantasy’?

      • MarkOH

        Uh, all of them?

        • partiZancritic

          Give me one, any one. I am not going to go through all of them for your benefit.

          • MarkOH

            The biggest one that gays lie all the time.

            And, I don’t blame you for not wanting to go through them all. It would take FOREVER. May I suggest you find something that is NOT a fantasy?

      • James Anderson

        Everything. Every single word including if, and, or but. And speaking of butt, one of Lively’s fantasies is his obsession with gay male sex. He’s clearly spent a good deal of time obsessing over it. I don’t know why. To me he seems deranged. On the other hand this is how he earns his living.

  • http://bible.gideonse.com Gideonse

    The level of psychosis needed not only to write something like this but to also believe it is so astounding it should be study by teams of psychologists. Luckily, people like Lively and Barber are so terrible at making their arguments and so transparent in their lies, very few people — usually only people as psychotic as them or as deluded as members of the Westboro Baptist Church — believe them. Still, it’s galling.

    • Rockon

      You write in generalities. Dare you be more specific?

      • MarkOH

        THIS from the guy who has YET to post ONE ounce of truth or fact? Who runs when someone asks him to verify his lies? Hypocrite.

    • partiZancritic

      So can you give us an example of something that you consider terrible in Dr Lively’s article?

      • http://bible.gideonse.com Gideonse

        I think it’s sweet that you’re think I — or any of the hundreds of people in this thread trashing Lively’s blather — believe that anything we write will change you or Lively of Barber’s minds. You actually believe the nonsense you write, just as 9/11 truthers, anti-vacciners, and AIDS denialists do. It’s called malignant denial.

        But I’ll bite anyway.

        What’s terrible, you ask? Everything. The entire premise of this article is that LGBT people are not victims: “The “gays” are not the victims, at least not as a class.” This is contrary to what the FBI, the Dept. of State, the Supreme Court of the United States, the United Nations, and the vast, vast majority of the world’s social scientists have concluded. I guess people like you and Lively, who have no basis for your case other than an assumption that LGBT activists lie and LGBT people are subhuman sodomites, know better than all of the people who have actually, you know, studied the issue. Like everyone with a baseless argument, Lively picks and chooses his evidence and ignores everything that proves him wrong. He ignores every single murder of an LGBT person by someone with anti-LGBT animus and then claims that because these murders of gay people were done by other gay people, then gay people as a group are not regularly beaten and murdered by people who hate LGBT people. (And the examples are pretty lame, since claiming that Matthew Shepard was killed by a gay man is not something his confessed murderer would even claim, and no one ever claimed Versace was the victim of a hate crime.) Lively’s argument wouldn’t get a passing grade in a junior high English class. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

        Luckily, people like Lively and Barber and you are increasingly and deservedly treated like 9/11 truthers, anti-vacciners, and AIDS denialists. Luckily, this sad website will do little, if anything, to further the victimization of LGBT people, other than give you a space to scream into the dark. It’s written by desperate and mostly disturbed people whose lives revolve around destroying the lives of LGBT people. It’s ironic that these people who want nothing more than the imprisonment and eradication of LGBT people claim they LGBT people are not discriminated against or victimized. Well, it’s less ironic than it is disgusting.

        • partiZancritic

          So much wind, no substance. What is it hat he said, exactly, that you find to be a lie? Is there one single example he gave that he hasn’t substantiated?

          And I will give the advice I gave someone else here: “Don’t count your chicks before they hatch”. It is simply not true that the vast majority of the world, social scientists and international organizations agree with your doctrine. You may think you have the academia, media and the polity in your pocket in some societies, but the rest of the world is reacting against what they are seeing happening in the west even as we talk about it here.

          There is an identifiable pattern in how you “deal” with us – those whom Kirk and Madsen classified as “intrasingent”. The strategy is clearly identified in their 1989 book, After the ball. This is what they say on p.176:

          “Our primary objective regarding diehard homohaters [yep, disagree with their lifestyle, and that's how they view you!] of this sort is to cow and silence them as far as possible, not to convert or even desensitize them”

          As for those who they see as possible allies, classified by K&M as ‘ambivalent skeptics’, they say this:

          “Every Skeptic is a candidate for desensitization. It may turn out, however, that passive-negatives can be reached only by desensitization (further sedating those who already don’t care much either way); whereas ambivalent-positives (those already emotionally torn) may respond more favorably to jamming and conversion techniques, in addition to desensitation. If this reasoning is correct, then we can assign different propaganda objectives to specific target segments of the population”

          There is one category you haven’t counted on, however. I’ll let you think about that.

          • http://bible.gideonse.com Gideonse

            This is just weird. Are you really demanding that I provide you with the thousands of peer-reviewed, scholarly citations that support the reality of widespread discrimination of LGBT? Do you really need links to the Dept. of State, SCOTUS, the FBI, the UN, the World Bank, WHO? Perhaps you should learn how to use Google Scholar, if you don’t have access to scholarly databases. I certainly don’t have the time to do your research for you, since I have more than enough research to do myself. You clearly have time to do it yourself, since you seem to respond to every single comment on here like it’s a matter of life and death. But perhaps you should find another hobby, since you have lost this fight. Perhaps one that might lead to something that is good for the world? Perhaps you could feed the homeless? Tutor orphans? Give blood?

          • MarkOH

            I wouldn’t waste your time. partiZancritic is the ultimate in trolls. You could provide MILLIONS of articles and papers to support your truth and he would simple dismiss them.

            There are none so blind as those that will not see.

          • http://bible.gideonse.com Gideonse

            Thus my use of the term malignant denial. It would be sad if it weren’t so irritating. And dangerous.

  • Guest

    Nope. Blood thirsty, grotesque, inhuman, Nazi barbarian. You, Matt Barbarbaric, and Scott Deadly – I mean Lively are blood thirsty Nazi barbarians and you WILL hang for your crimes against humanity.

  • Guest

    Sieg Heil!!!

  • Gene Perry

    “The Shepard Hoax” … seriously? “

    • Rockon

      Yes, the Matthew Shepard “hate crime” wasn’t what they told you it was all along.

      • MarkOH

        And it was really about ……………….?

        • Bernie Keefe

          **crickets** Mark, these trolls have no proof.

          • MarkOH

            I’ve noticed that. They come on here, type LIES, and then disappear. Sad that they don’t even give their own arguments credit by providing SOME proof.

        • partiZancritic

          There is a whole book which explains it. Surely you can read?

          • MarkOH

            Oh, so you don’t know either

          • partiZancritic

            Yes, I can read. The young man was murdered by people known to him, drugs were involved, the murder was misrepresented. It was a disgusting thing to have happened, inexcusable, but not because of your perverse motives. For me, what’s disgusting is how your lot are more interested in capitalizing on this murder, regardless of what the actual truth of it is. You see, you’re not actually interested in Matthew Shepherd per se. Nor are you interested in his family’s grief (else one of you trolling lowlifes would have mentioned it). Your movement has created a symbol, and that symbol has been found to be made up. When someone points that out, it pisses you off. And so you come in here and begin to do what you always do, which is to troll and call people names. because that’s who you are. A nothing, who has nothing. Except insults.

          • MarkOH

            Considering his killers used a “gay panic defense”, I think it’s more you and your ilk who are lying about this incident.

          • partiZancritic

            Ah, you “think” that I am lying. What about ABC? And the hundreds of other witnesses and interviewees? Must be a big huge conspiracy, eh?

          • MarkOH

            LOL, no, I KNOW you are lying.

          • thisoldspouse

            If there is a lack of pictures, Mark may have difficulty.

    • partiZancritic

      You misspelled it. It’s actually, Jesse Dirkhising

      • Lightning Baltimore

        What happened to Jesse Dirkhising was absolutely horrific and in no way typical of gay male behavior or treatment of children. If you’re going to try to tar all gay men with that, though, then you’ll have to agree that all straight men are just like the minority of them that molest, rape, and murder young girls.

        • partiZancritic

          Yeah, nice to see you have no issue quickly ‘comparing’ with straights in this case. You might think that in this way the topic can be circumvented. The problem is that once one learns what has been done to Jesse, it then becomes disgusting to consider Shepherd’s murder as somehow more worthy of discussion, and more horrid and unacceptable. And now that we know about the fabrications, it makes it even more disgusting to see people still sticking to them.

          I don’t have to agree on anything. I simply have to question and provide my own informed opinions. Do you have a problem with that? I know that your self-appointed task is to keep such names as Jesse’s out of the media, so what can I say? Except that you’re battling an uphill battle, since there are so many, many more such terrible examples. I could possibly start with ‘pederast tourism’?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            What happened to Jesse was horrible, and it makes me sick. You trying to paint homosexuals in general as somehow to blame is evil, and I’m tired of responding to your mendacity. I’m done with you.

        • thisoldspouse

          Was what happened with Larry Brinkin, a “gay rights” hero, horrific? Would you like me to post some of his comments upon viewing toddlers being sodomized here?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            I had to Google him to see to whom you were referring, and he sounds like an absolutely vile person.

            That said, if you are going to condemn *all* gay men for Brinkin’s reprehensible crimes, then surely you condemn *all* straight men for the crimes of Gary Glitter, whose hit single “Rock and Roll, Part 2″ is *still* played at sporting events in the USA, 15 years after his arrest and conviction for possession of child pornography in the UK, and after his subsequent arrest in 2006 for sexually abusing preteen girls in Vietnam.

    • thisoldspouse

      Shepard’s death was not a hoax; the “hate crime” part of it was. Provably.

      So just stop with the lying for a change.

  • Gene Perry

    “deceptive Machiavellian “gay” propaganda” … seriously?

  • Frederick

    WWJD?

    Does Scott also think that the political rivals and opponents in the press… of his BFF Putin ( former head of the KGB/Fascist )…. that ended up on the wrong side of a Polonium-210 pellet…poisoned themselves?

  • BobSF_94117

    I can only encourage Barbwire to continue to showcase the likes of Scott Lively. It’s a perfect home for him.

    • thisoldspouse

      You don’t realize it, but the entire purpose of the website is to showcase the acrid hatred of homosexualist posters like you. It worked pretty quickly.

      • BobSF_94117

        Yeah, I kinda figured out it was a ruse to “catch nasty comments” like anti-gay sites aren’t chock full of the worst nastiness, too. To my mind, anyone who puts much stock in any web commentary is loony.

        But I’m not quite sure what was particularly “acrid” about my comment, so don’t lump me in with the nasty stuff.

  • Rockon

    Tragic. Can you show us statistically that there is an epidemic of violence against people for their expressed homosexuality? Can you show us that Christian tenents teach such violence? Can you show us how victimization make homosexual sex more healthy?

    • Ron Robertson

      That’s not his job. Christ’s tenets (note the spelling), aren’t supposed to lead to violence against anyone, but its leaders today give the moral sanction for that violence. Lively is one of those providing that sanction. Look at the Russian orthodox church, and their leaders pushing for more criminalization of gays. Look at Scott Lively who’s pushed for laws criminalizing gay people for existing all over African and in Jamaica, all in the name of Christianity. Christianity has a long, bloody history, starting–at the latest–with the sacking of the library in Alexandria and murdering Hypatia, a scholar there, to the crusades, to sectarian violence in Ireland, to today.

      • Rockon

        I think you’re historical facts are a little mixed up. Christians were on pilgrimages and had to fight against Muslim conquest…that was what the Crusades were all about. Also, have you read the actual Russian law and the Ugandan one too? And when you say “gay people” what behavior ultimately comes from that attraction?

        • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

          Yes, Rockon, I’ve read the Uganda law Lively supported. It would have imposed the death penalty on anyone convicted twice of same-sex relations (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)

          In fact, the law would have imposed the death penalty on straight people convicted more than once of not turning in their gay friends to the authorities.

          • Rockon

            The bill applies to “aggravated homosexuality” which means when homosexual acts are directed toward minors and when HIV is spread intentionally. They removed the death penalty clause and are instituting a state sponsored program similar to our AA program here in the states, which is actually what Scott Lively push for when he was over there speaking.

          • MarkOH

            “acts are directed toward minors”
            Oh, like in Russia where a same sex couple can’t hold hands in public? And a state sponsored AA like program? For what purpose? No one can change their sexual orientation.

          • Rockon

            You haven’t read the actual law have you? And I know many who have overcome homosexual practice AND desire. There is no such thing as “sexual orientation.” Where is it located? On the liver? The ear lobe? The pancreas? If we have a “sexual orientation” why can’t doctors identify our “sexual orientation” when we are born? “Sexual orientation” is the biggest hoax of our time! It is the “royal robes” of H. C. Anderson’s “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” People pretend it exists, so they will appear to be “intelligent.” The problem is that there is NO evidence for its existence. Do I get it at Walmart in a bucket? TheONLY scientifically observable elements of sexuality are the sexual organs. All other “elements” are purely speculative. I can go see
            “Avatar” at a theater and for 90 minutes to two hours believe in a fantasy world; but, when I leave the theater I am back in the real world. Same-sex advocates have created a fantasy world of “sexual orientation” that doesn’t exist in reality; but, unfortunately many are buying into the fantasy.

          • MarkOH

            Can you show even ONE peer reviewed study that shows sexual orientation can be changed?
            Doctors cannot identify handedness at birth either. What a ridiculous comment.
            Sexual orientation exists, it is fact. Your denial of it does not make it disappear, just like when you close your eyes, the sun doesn’t go out.

          • docrt925

            I assume your next post will include links to the studies, research, etc. that support your claims?

          • Rockon

            Well I know the homosexual activists and their minions don’t really care about facts, but they’re not my target audience, so it’s not for their benefit anyway.

          • MarkOH

            Ah, in other words, Rockon HAS no studies to support his lies. Typical.

          • IvanRider
          • partiZancritic

            Go read this, then:
            http://www.consciencedefense.org/contents/media/Nicholas_Cummings_Declaration.pdf

            Also, you are asking the wrong question. Homosexuality can be treated, there is mountains of evidence. As for curing it, maybe not – it is after all a mental condition; can one ‘cure’ schizophrenia, for example?

          • docrt925

            ah so you’re going with evasion and deflection rather than an actual answer. always a revealing approach. thanks.

          • rcdcr

            You don’t have a sexual orientation? How so.

            Dude, you sound stoooooopid.

            Pick up a biology book. No, that’s not enough. You actually need to read it, too. You tool.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Rockon, here are the facts about the original bill (has anyone actually seen the revised bill?):

            1. The death penalty applies to anyone convicted of “aggravated homosexuality.”

            2. Aggravated homosexuality includes all “serial offenders.”

            3. A serial offender is “a person who has previous convictions of the offence of homosexuality or related offences.”

            4. Related offences (Part III of the bill) include not ratting out your gay friends (if you are a person of religious, political, economic, or social [!] authority).

            So the death penalty would have been imposed for things that have nothing to minors or HIV, and could have been imposed even on people who never had gay sex.

      • Gayskeptic

        Oh Rockon, are you for real? Really? WalMart? The liver? So if it’s a choice as you imply tell us when did you decide to be straight and feel free to demonstrate how easy is the choice by choosing to be gay for a little bit if only to prove your point.

    • HomerTh

      The FBI compiles reported hate crimes- crimes shown to be directed specifically against people because of their perceived race, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, ethnicity/national origin, or disability. For LGBT people, these can include having one’s house or businesses tagged with anti-gay graffiti or people being attacked for being perceived to be LGBT.

      In 2012, there were 1,376 reported crimes against LGBT people. In 2006, there were 1,472 LGBT victims. And so on. These are just the crimes that were reported (many aren’t) and those that were considered hate crimes by the police (in many cases, the police do not have enough evidence or do not want to report cases as hate crimes).

      Many of your so-called Christian spokes people (e.g. Bryan Fischer, Tony Perkins, Peter Sprigg) have called for LGBT people to be sent to prison or exiled from our country. Scott Lively has praised the proposed law in Uganda that called for the death penalty.

      I’m not even going to bother with your last disgusting comment.

      • Rockon

        Have you checked the FBI crime reports in the last decade or so?

        Between 1995 and 2010, the FBI reported an average of a little over 1.4 million violent crimes each year in the U.S. Of those violent crimes, the FBI reported that anti-homosexual “hate” crimes were an average of 1,241 per year. That’s far less than 1% of total violent crimes. It’s .00085586 to be exact.

        In 2009, for example, out of that .00085586 of total yearly violent crimes, 57% of those “hate” crimes on homosexuals are Simple Assault andIntimidation charges. (Simple Assault is limited to the use of physicalforce and results in little to no injury. Intimidation is the use of profanity, slurs, and verbal abuse- which is essentially just name calling). 21% of “hate” crimes against homosexuals is Destruction of Property. 15% is Aggravated Assault. 1% is labeled “Other.” And far less than 1% (.003) were Murder, Non-negligent Manslaughter, and Forcible Rape…

        http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/data/table_04.html

        Have you seen the reports of fake “hate” crimes perpetrated by homosex advocates one after the other?

        http://acutemania.net/anti-gay-hate-scams-hoaxes-and-fabrications-part-1/

        http://acutemania.net/anti-gay-hate-scams-hoaxes-and-fabrications-part-2/

        http://acutemania.net/anti-gay-hate-scams-hoaxes-and-fabrications-part-3/

    • Richard Rush

      Rockon, you live in a cave, don’t you?

      • thisoldspouse

        Well, not a “man’s cave.”

    • rcdcr

      A lesser man I’ve not encountered.

  • Rockon

    When are you going to finally grow up Joe?

    • IvanRider

      How do we know the victim in that shot is gay for sure? It could just be that he owes them money. Also, the one with the surgeon mask looks like a drug dealer. Nice try.

      • Ron Robertson

        They posted it themselves, proud of what they’d done to a gay guy, you idiot. Nice try yourself. You can’t face the fact that you and people like you are enablers of this kind of violence by pretending it doesn’t exist.

        • StraightGrandmother

          Thank you.

          • IvanRider

            For what? Letting you also jump to conclusions about what my actual thoughts are?

        • IvanRider

          You haven’t proven that this wasn’t staged. Nor do I believe that it is impossible. But I don’t want to believe something at face value when so many frauds are already out there.

          Do NOT mistake my caution for apathy OR denial!!!

          • MarkOH

            And YOU haven’t proven it WAS staged. A moral human would assume it’s true unless they know otherwise. An immoral human (i.e. YOU) would assume such brutality is staged until he KNOWS it to be true. What a waste of a human being you are.

          • partiZancritic

            But he posed an alternative. Many of us know how untruthful the gay who posted that image is. After all, isn’t it the very point that he article above makes? That you people make things up?

            Here is what one of homosexualist guide to propaganda had to say, verbatim:
            In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. If gays present themselves, instead, as a strong and arrogant tribe promoting a defiantly non-conformist lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that warrants resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forgo the temptation to strut our gay pride publicly to such an extent that we undermine our our victim image … The purpose of victim imagery is to make straights feel very uncomfortable; that is, to jam with shame the self-righteous pride …to lay groundwork for the process of conversion by helping straights identify with gays and sympathize with their underdog status
            p.183, Kirk, M & Madsen, H (1989) After the ball, NY: Plume.

            So give it a rest, take your mates and find other websites to jam. I believe you’d feel at home on Jo’s site :)

          • MarkOH

            “That you people make things up?” Can you not SEE your own bigotry? Sorry, if it bothers you for someone to call you out as the hater you are but that is a fact.

          • partiZancritic

            Lol, you wouldn’t know a ‘fact’ if you chocked on it.

          • MarkOH

            And, yet, you have failed to prove anything I have posted is false.

  • Rockon

    Looks pretty fake to me. Why are they playing the Blue Oyster club song from the police academy movies in the background?

    • Ron Robertson

      Congratulations, you’re in the same category as a holocaust denier, or one of those who say that blacks were better off under slavery. You can’t face the fact that gays are being beaten, killed, tortured, and that you’re an enabler of it. Pretend otherwise all you want, but it doesn’t have the benefit of being true.

      • IvanRider

        A real example of someone on par with a Holocaust denier would be the fruitcake that attacked me yesterday for asking why Eric Holder refuses to answer for his role in Fast and Furious, and take responsibility for the murders that have happened as a direct consequence of his policies.

      • Rockon

        So what sexual behavior or any behavior does black skin color determine?

  • Rockon

    Many of these beatings either look staged or we have to just take their word for it that this is the reason why they’re beat. All of the sudden, these videos come out just like that within a year after the Russian law, huh? Interesting that nothing is said about Muslim countries who have been actually doing this and far worse if even perceived as homosexual

    • Matt

      Watch the entire documentary Hunted, like he said.

      And many of these available videos aren’t just coming out now – I became aware of them over the last year. But they’re just receiving media coverage now, since Sochi has drawn to much attention to Russia.

  • IvanRider

    His words to the cripple who turned to him: “Go, your sins are forgiven.”

    His words to the woman caught in adultery: “Sin no more!”

    His words to those who didn’t think they needed forgiving: “You whitewashed tombs!”

    “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.” – 1 John 1:8. That applies to the pervertsexuals too!

    • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

      Ivan, you didn’t answer the question: Who would Jesus gaybash?

      Also, you’ll note that he didn’t admonish the woman caught in adultery until after he dealt with those who would do her harm.

      If only you and Lively had same priorities as Jesus.

      • IvanRider

        I don’t accept the term “gaybash” as valid.

        And Lively and the Ugandan government are not calling for a witchhunt of all who are suspected of having same-sex attraction. That is a bald-faced and oft-repeated lie. However, you are silent about nations like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, where that happens all the time.

        They DO, once there is proof of it, want the LEGITIMATE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES to hunt down CHILD PREDATORS, especially if said predators GAVE AIDS TO A CHILD, and have them answer for their crimes against children!

        That is NOT AT ALL what happened with Jesus and the crowd! The crowd was a bunch of vigilante Jewish thugs, who wanted to take the power of life or death over a woman who was helpless to fight back against them into their own hands, because they wanted her dead for her crime and didn’t feel the Romans would punish her severely enough.

        There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between Jesus telling a mob not to vigilante-murder an adulteress because they are breaking the law to punish a lawbreaker, and the LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT of Uganda ENFORCING A LEGIIMATE LAW to protect children from KNOWN PREDATOR LAWBREAKERS!

        • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

          Ivan, the Uganda law Lively supported would have imposed the death penalty on anyone convicted twice of same-sex relations (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)
          In fact, the law would have imposed the death penalty on straight people convicted more than once of not turning in their gay friends to the authorities.

          • IvanRider

            That’s why Lively suggested the law be softened in those instances to reparative therapy. He felt that execution for public sodomy by consenting adults was too harsh. So he does them a favor, and they STILL want him to be labeled a war criminal, just because he wouldn’t come out in favor of lewd public conduct?

          • MarkOH

            Reparative therapy? Snake oil. Not a single study has shown it does ANYTHING but cause harm. Sexual orientation is not changeable.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            I have found the place where he says the death penalty is too harsh (thank God — though it’s a sad commentary that he found the decision a difficult one), but I have found the place where he recommends ONLY voluntary rehabilitation for people twice of same-sex relations (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)

            Meanwhile, you continue to spread misinformation when you say the law was just about protecting children, and you admit as much when you say Lively wanted to soften it for other “offenders.”

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            “Just because he wouldn’t come out in favor of lewd public conduct?”

            Are you kidding? Hold on — are you willing to go on record as saying that Lively wasn’t recommending action against those who engage same-sex relations in their own home (even if both were consenting HIV negative adults)?

            Really?

    • Ron Robertson

      So, Ivan, who would Jesus gaybash? You can’t seem to understand that question. You know that Jesus said not one thing about homosexuality at all, and that there are major differences of opinion about the true meaning of the verses being used against homosexuality, right? No one living knows the true meaning of those original verses, because they don’t understand the context of the times, and the words used had many different meanings even then. So, if some Christian scholars say it doesn’t mean anything about gay people, and others say it does, who are you to believe? The choice is your own lifestyle choice. Being gay is not. If there really is a God, and he wants to determine who truly gets what he wants to get across, the best way is to see how people interpret and live with others. You’ve made your choice, but I doubt if it’s the same as Jesus would have made. You use your choice in how things are interpreted to encourage harm to others, pretending that you’re protecting children. Gay people are not the ones that drown their own children for Jesus, gay people do not seek to outlaw how other people were born, gay people do not try to jail people for a different viewpoint, that’s left to fundamentalists like you, who pervert their own religion.

      • IvanRider

        You deliberately use a shibboleth of the damned when you say that.

        Have you forgotten Matthew 19:5? That verse not only condemns homosexual unions of any stripe, it also condemns one night stands and cohabiting.

        • MarkOH

          How exactly does describing a heterosexual marriage condemn homosexual unions? I think you are implying a LOT from this verse.

          • IvanRider

            “Have you not read?”

            Also, he goes on to say that the only reason Moses was allowed to make certain provisions in the Old Testament for the Jews, including divorce “was because your hearts were so hard.”

            He is not by any means condoning sexual models that deviate from Adam and Eve when he says they come from “the hardness of men’s hearts.”

          • MarkOH

            I find it very interesting how “Christians” can interpret various verses in the Bible to suit their needs, but INSIST that other verses be taken verbatim (even if the translation is incorrect). In no way does Jesus say ANYTHING about only referring to Adam and Eve. And he does raise up the centurion and his favorite servant – which is a good example of a same sex couple.

        • rcdcr

          Why will you not answer the question, Ivan?

          Could it be in your heart you know you are the opposite of Christ?

          That’s rhetorical, BTW.

  • Rockon

    Why is it that the in the more accepting nations, the disease and dysfunctions caused from homosexual sex have only increased?

    • Ron Robertson

      No they haven’t. AIDS is rampant in STRAIGHT populations in Africa, far beyond anything in the west. But, you like to lie to yourself, so I’m not surprised you believe such nonsense.

    • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

      Do you KNOW anything about the history, origin, impact, transmission of AIDS? With out your ridiculous litany of cut and pastes. In English, can you formulate a paragraph on AIDS that would summarize its origin and impact on the world. And please, try not to neglect the 52% of the people living with AIDS are heterosexual women, the 15 million orphaned children whose parent(s) have dies of AIDS of the the cause of it as white heterosexual European colonization of Africa to take the resources out for their own use. Do not leave those facts out while you write about anal sex.
      Remember to talk about inoculations and blood harvesting as the main amplifier of AIDS in the world so that it spread from its ground zero.
      Don’t skip that 97% of all people living with AIDS are living in poverty, and low income. While you are making icky sounds about anal sex, please do recall that 35 million that have died and the 69% of people with AIDS are living in Africa.
      Then go ask God about your constant non-compassionate views of those with any sickness and see if they line up in ANY way with the example of the Christ.
      You are solely lacking. Rather than traipse around the internet typing the same lunacy over and over — work on the severe lack of Christlike traits you display online daily.
      Just a suggestion since you are ALWAYS so kind as to tell other what to do and how they should behave.

      • Bernie Keefe

        Now see, that’s the Kathy I know and love! When the trolls come on board and say what they want/told to say, they do so with impunity, safe behind their keyboards, throwing stones. Then along comes Kathy, excoriating their ignorance with facts! Well played M’Lady.

  • Rockon

    Yep. And he calls shenanigans

    • MarkOH

      Then he is blind to reality.

    • Bernie Keefe

      ‘shenanigans’ Really? I pray to God that neither you or Lively should ever encounter such fear. I should know, I’ve lived through it. How Dare You!

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Regarding the murder of Carlos Castro, it’s very convenient that Scott Lively failed to mention that Castro’s killer told arresting officers that he was acting on “direct orders from God to rid Castro of his homosexual demons.” Praise! Glory! Kill gays for Jesus!

    • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

      In that case, Joe, the police who arrested the killer were violating his religious freedom!

    • partiZancritic

      So it was the Christian God again. How convenient.

      Was Castro’s killer a homosexual, Joe? Because, you know, that is the topic.
      While you’re at it, explain to us some of the other examples Dr Lively provides – say, Azalea Cooley.
      But if you don’t like his examples, how about I provide a couple?
      What say you about Luka Rocco Magnotta?
      Or what about Anthony Morley (the first Mr Gay UK winner whok illed and ate another gay man?)
      Would you like some more examples? Because there are plenty, as you know.

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        Castro’s killer told the court that he is not a homosexual. He pleaded not guilty on the grounds of Christian insanity.

        • partiZancritic

          Well, was he? And what about the others?

          • MarkOH

            He said he wasn’t a homosexual. How would you determine his sexual orientation? Trial and error?

          • thisoldspouse

            How does ANYONE determine “sexual orientation?” Blood test? Thorough physical exam? Genetic analysis?

            You can’t. It’s a fake identity that ANYONE can claim, and no one could legally contest him on it. So we you are building an entire movement on something fake. How scientific.

  • Rockon

    According to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Fact reports http://www.uncfsp.org/projects/userfiles/File/DCE-STOP_NOW/NCADV_LGBT_Fact_Sheet.pdf
    , “lesbian” couples have the highest rates of domestic violence, and
    homosexual male couples have the 2nd highest rates of any other type of
    couple. The NCADV reports also describes that of the nature of their
    domestic violence and disputes are the same types of discriminatory
    verbal and physical assaults that homosexuals typically blame on
    heterosexual society as being the main culprits. So how do we know that
    most of the anti-homosexual “hate” crime charges as reported by the FBI
    aren’t also crimes committed by homosexuals on one another??? The
    following should shed a light of truth on that question…

    Homosexual Domestic Violence Far More Likely Than “Hate Crimes:”

    With regards to the idea that “hate crime” status for homosexuals will
    reduce crime against homosexuals, it is ironic that homosexual activists
    are so concerned with their safety and well-being. They evidently fail
    to realize that the lifestyle they so proudly lead results in the very
    bodily harm and early mortality that they supposedly fear. The
    difference is that it is self-inflicted.

    To be consistent in their demands for harsher sentencing of
    those who commit crimes against homosexuals, homosexual activists need
    to understand that the proposed “hate crimes” legislation should result
    in the prosecutions of more homosexuals than heterosexuals.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Hey Lively – How come you never mention your conviction for beating a 23 year-old Oregon girl? Did you ever cough up the $31,000 judgment against you for that brutal assault? Or did Jesus pay that bill?

    • partiZancritic

      Hey Joe. How’s that pathological lying of yours going? Doesn’t look like you’re on top of it.

      • MarkOH

        Now I know who you are! You’re Matt Barber under an assumed name!

        • partiZancritic

          What can I say? You caught me red-handed!
          Now you can use your magic wand. As soon as you extract it from Joe’s … er, grasp?

          • MarkOH

            Why are you SO obsessed with my wand? Exciting you a bit?

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        LOL. And which part was untrue? The assault? The judgement? Heh.

  • mantronikk

    As tragic and unjustified as his death was, he wasn’t killed by a Christian, so why blame us?

    • HomerTh

      Point out where I said it was a Christian who killed my friend. I never said that.

      • mantronikk

        Then why are you so mad at Matt Barber?

        • HomerTh

          The article was written by Scott Lively. Scott Lively claims that gay people are faking the attacks made against them. My friend was murdered by people who called him Faggot as he lay dying with a bullet wound in the head. He did not fake his death. Is that clear enough?

          • mantronikk

            Point out where Scott Lively said that all attacks on glbt people are faked.

          • HomerTh

            Point out where I used the word “all.”

            Really, you have a problem with reading comprehension.

          • mantronikk

            “Scott Lively said claims that gay people are faking attacks made against them.” Some do.

            The most famous mischaracterization being Matthew Shepard who was killed by a member of the glbt community. Isn’t that what you are most angry about? The fact that Scott Lively exposed one of the biggest lies that propel the glbt community?

          • MarkOH

            Hm, any FACTS to support you claims?

          • mantronikk
          • HomerTh

            Scott Lively did not attend the trial. He has never spoken to any of the people involved. Explain to me exactly how he was able to determine this incident was a hoax.

          • Rockon

            You must have selective reading comprehension. Read Lively’s article again. He cites the source that debunks the Shepard hate crime narrative. And just so you know, ABC also debunked it and the detectives on the case rrported to the media that it was about drugs

          • MarkOH

            Yes, keep believing that. It makes your hatred more palatable to you.

          • Black Talon

            and you can keep believing the lie that homophilia is inborn, sorry but it is not, perhaps it makes you perversion more palatable to you.

          • MarkOH

            But sexual orientation IS an inborn trait. I take it that you are straight. How much gay sex did you try before “deciding” to be straight?

          • partiZancritic

            It isn’t an inborn ‘trait’. It’s what you tell yourself to feel good. Heterosexual people don’t have to try homosexual sex do decide that hey are heterosexual. They are not the ones that deviate from the biological norm. We are each born having a particular sex. How you use it is the result of your mind, not ‘traits’.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Gay folks don’t have to try gay sex to know they are gay.
            Left-handed people also deviate from the norm.

          • MarkOH

            So how much gay sex did you have before you “chose” to be straight?

          • partiZancritic

            None. How much did you have of it before you chose, Mark?
            And I think your gramophone is broken ….

          • MarkOH

            So you made a choice without finding out if you liked it? Hm, I find that hard to believe. If one is able to chose sexual orientation that is.

          • partiZancritic

            One does not choose to be a schizophrenic either. I don’t need to ‘try it’ to know that I am happy with who I am. See, that’s where you people are becoming undone. There is no science to back your claims up. There is no equivalence between the real civil rights movements and your pretend revolution. Homosexual people are suffering greatly because of your false claims. And you are producing far too many lies to sustain credibility and the public’s trust.

          • MarkOH

            I am glad you are happy with who you are. Then why so much animus with others who are happy with who they are, who they were born to be?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            They’re NOT LIKE HM! :O

          • partiZancritic

            But that’s something you have made up, you assumed that I have animus for others. There is no animus against homosexuals. I only feel pity for those who are in it, actually. What I don’t tolerate is the homosexualist propaganda. It is not even representative of all homosexual people. I want to live in a society which is free and fair. I don’t want to celebrate your lifestyle, and I want my children to grow up within a moral system I want to bequest to them. Homosexualists are against this, so that’s the problem.

            And stop spreading fluffies, homosexuals are not born “to be” homosexuals. Except for very few biological aberrations, they either have male or female reproductive organs. If you want to live in contradiction to this reality, I am not stopping you. In fact, isn’t it mainly in Christian societies where you enjoy the freedom to live your life how you want to live it?

          • MarkOH

            I don’t assume you have animus, it’s quite apparent in everything you write.

            Again, I will ask it (funny that you are too dense to provide an answer): How do you define a persons sexual orientation? By actions? By desire? How?

          • MarkOH

            Let me ask this again as you seemed to have skipped over it before:
            How do you define a persons sexual orientation? is it by actions? Is it by desire?

          • MarkOH

            So sex acts determine sexual orientation? A convict in prison who has sex with another convict is gay?

            And why would you think that there is a “biological norm”?

          • partiZancritic

            What are you talking about? Do you even understand the difference between artificial environments and natural ones? Are you generalizing from prison to the broader population? Like Kinsey did?
            Do you even understand what a norm is? As in, “most people are born with five toes on each foot, but some differ from this biological norm and are born with more or fewer”? It just goes to show what a pretender you are. I am referring to norm in the statistical sense. Maybe you’d like to tell us that magic instead of stats is the method preferred in biology. That would explain the bizarre claims and observations you have been sprouting.

          • MarkOH

            Interesting how you were unable to answer my question. But, not surprising. You’ve been spouting nonsense all day.

          • partiZancritic

            Nonsense? I am more than content to leave what I wrote here, to be compared with what you and the others in your troupe have smeared on this thread.
            Besides, anyone with two synaptic gaps to rub together can plainly see that I have answered your question. In a number of ways. It’s just that I haven’t answered it the way you wanted me to.
            Maybe it’s time you wave your magician’s wand. And then you can make your exit. The finale – ‘poof’!

          • MarkOH

            LOL, let me put it more simply for you: How do you define a persons sexual orientation? is it by actions? Is it by desire?

          • rcdcr

            I fully encourage you to take upon yourself the very difficult work of becoming a decent human being.

          • mantronikk

            I fully encourage you to begin listening to the Word of God and to stop trusting your own heart and mind. I mean no harm to gays, but I do stand up to homofascism, and the two are not always the same.

          • MarkOH

            If you make up an enemy such as “homofacism”, then you do mean harm to LGBT. You are merely lying to yourself and others but denying you mean no harm.

          • mantronikk

            Does the shoe fit MarkOH?

          • MarkOH

            Meaning …………….. ?

          • mantronikk

            I’ve denounced hatred for the glbt community, but I won’t accept their behavior. If you wish to demonize me for separating from the glbt community, that makes you a homofascist. I tried to post a link to the word “homofascist,” but it looks like the moderators won’t allow it.

          • MarkOH

            Interesting to see the bully assume the victim role.

          • mantronikk

            Is THAT your response?! A false accusation of being a “bully”? I am being a “bully” for leaving someone alone!?!

          • MarkOH

            So blind. Are you really in such self denial?

          • mantronikk

            Is that all you have? Emotive phrases and sentences? I’ll ask again… how am I being a “bully” for leaving someone alone?

          • MarkOH

            See the posting from Lighnting Baltimore above.

            But, back to where you assume a victim role. If you want to separate from the LGBT, that is your right. To actively work to deny them rights and vilify them goes WAY beyond just separating. That’s where the bullying comes in.

          • mantronikk

            That’s where you are lying. The redefinition of marriage legalizes the persecution of my fellow Christians. Gays want to redefine marriage and already have the right to marry. Telling the truth about what really goes on in the glbt community is not vilification. Only 11% of adult, identical twin men are both homosexual, which is secular, non-Christian, scientific proof that nobody is “born gay.” My site is a collection of this type of evidence in order to fight homofascism.

            And where is your evidence of where I condone hatred, oppression, or proactive violence against the glbt community?

          • MarkOH

            “The redefinition of marriage legalizes the persecution of my fellow Christians.”
            No, it doesn’t. This is your lie.

            “Only 11% of adult, identical twin men are both homosexual,”
            Uh, no. It’s actually over 50%. And it is a much higher percentage than in siblings indicating that there is an inborn cause of sexual orientation.

          • partiZancritic

            You mean, over 50% of a small sample (under sixty, I believe) gathered through the snowballing method from advertizing in “homofile” publications, almost a quarter of a century ago? Science is pretty exact, and pedantic. So my advice is that you may save a bit of face still by making a quiet exit at this point. Use your wand :)

          • MarkOH

            If science if pretty exact, why do you dismiss the science that clearly disproves your bigotry?

            Can you provide a study that disproves an inherited cause of sexual orientation?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Oh, dear, you’ve lied *again*, this time about twin studies.

          • mantronikk

            The link to the studies scientific study that proves that 11% of adult, identical-twin, men are BOTH gay is in the homepage of my site at heteroseparatist dot com. I just tried to post the link, but, yet again, it will not get past the moderators.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            A search on the word twin on your site finds one post, and it has nothing to do with twin studies. So where is it?

          • mantronikk

            Go to heteroseparatist dot com and look at the 13th paragraph below the logo. The link is in my manifesto, about 13 paragraphs below the logo.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Your link is to an article that cites absolutely *no* sources for its claims.

          • MarkOH

            You have to search for them (not easy). Have only begun to look them over but already they give the impression of someone trying to prove that sexual orientation is not genetic (other than just trying to find if there is a connection). The study uses pairwise concordance instead of probandwise concordance. The later is the more acceptable methodology when evaluating twin data, while the former tends to underestimate the genetic possibility.

          • partiZancritic

            there is no evidence that it is genetic. period. no matter how hard and often you click your pretty red shoes’ heels together, it ain’t going to make it so. Speculations ain’t conclusive evidence. Judging by the hullabaloo you people make about it, the genetic link should be clearly pasted on every piece of news we happen to look at. I mean, even the gene linked to left-handedness has been discovered, as far back as 2007 and labelled LRRTM1. So where is your gene? What is it called?
            Sadly, I would hazard to suggest that it’s all in your mind, Else you’ll link us some references, or at least cite something.

          • MarkOH

            Sigh, your ignorance is painful. Few traits in the human being are the result of a single gene.

          • partiZancritic

            References to show that homosexuality is determined by one, two, three, x genes? You’ve been demanding references of others, but have none for your claims?
            Put up, or else wave your wand – begone, ‘poof’!

          • MarkOH

            J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, “A genetic study of male sexual orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 48:1089-1096, December 1991

            Deborah Blum, Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men and Women (NY: Viking, 1997), 132-133Simon LeVay, “A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men,” Science, vol. 253:1034-1037, 1991

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Where on this page has anyone claimed that homosexuality is 100% genetic? You and many others set that up as a false claim then attack it. The causes are thought to be primarily, if not completely, biological: genetics, epigenetics, environment in the womb, etc.
            Nice try, though.

          • MarkOH

            Thanks for the support. Believing that homosexuality is due to one gene, that has never been found, allows him to feel good about his hatred.

          • partiZancritic

            So if I don’t agree with you than I am hateful? Brilliant reasoning there.

          • partiZancritic

            Nope, you’re not wiggling out of it. Firstly, I didn’t claim any such thing. The issue here is actually that you keep stating there is a genetic link. That means that there is one, two, x genes involved. This implies evidence that at least one gene is involved. The argument is not about how, but whether there exists any evidence that it is genetic. There is no evidence to that extent. There is suspicion (voiced by certain ‘scholars’), but no conclusive evidence. Give me the name of at least one gene that is suspected, even.

            Epigenetics is about something else. You are beginning to delve into a different side of things. Epigenetics is useful in explaining heritability in the wake of the effects of random mutations
            and/or environmental factors. These often lead to inter-generational transmission of harmful and undesirable physiological
            and psychiatric conditions. Indeed, respected scholars
            in this field tell us so. (e.g., Arturas Petronis, Nature, Vol 465: 721-727, 10 June 2010)

          • MarkOH

            Nice cut and paste job. Too bad you don’t have a clue what any of this means.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            There’s no single gene for height, either, so clearly short people have chosen to be so.

          • partiZancritic

            “No single gene” is not the same as no gene. Try harder, you only look as stupid as Mark who is as original as a parrot.

          • MarkOH

            Did you read the references I gave you? Obviously not or you wouldn’t be making those idiotic comments.

          • partiZancritic

            I see the references, I am checking them out. I got the feeling I encountered you elsewhere, because the same literature popped up.

            As it is, I suspect you have little idea of what’s in those articles, since it looks like you found the references from a secondary source – somewhere like the worldpolicy website. Otherwise you would know that leVay’s study has been discredited. Do you know how this homosexual did his study? He dissected a few brains from cadavers. Did you know that he then admitted that there is no evidence, and that it isn’t likely to ever be one found of the so-called genetic link? Obviously you don’t otherwise you would have avoided quoting him, lol.

            The Blum book is not written by a scientist, and moreover, it is about the differences between men and women and is written by a professional journalist. So let’s leave this one there.

            As for the Bailey and Pillard twenty-two years old study, I couldn’t download to read it in its entirety, but the abstract is sufficient to glean the quality and reliability of the study. Firstly, it used a non-representative and small sample. Secondly, the sample was “recruited using homophile publications”. Thirdly, the concluding remarks included these statements: “A proband’s self-reported history of childhood gender non-conformity did
            not predict homosexuality in relatives in any of the three subsamples.
            Thus, childhood gender nonconformity does not appear to be an indicator
            of genetic loading for homosexuality”

            I still can’t see any clear evidence of a genetic link. Do you have any other literature I could have a look at?

          • MarkOH

            LOL< again, nice cut and paste job. Do you even understand what you've read?

          • mantronikk

            Look at the link right after the one you clicked on.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            That was the link I was talking about. Vague references to “studies” but no links to any of them or enough info to find them.

          • MarkOH

            He also references the Jones and Yarhouse joke of a study.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Just because a study has been thoroughly debunked doesn’t mean people won’t try to use it as proof. :-D

          • MarkOH

            Was reading the one “study” you cite when I came across this sentence: “If factors in common like genetics or conditions in the womb overwhelmingly cause SSA, then identical twins will always be identical for SSA, i.e., the SSA concordance would be 100%. ” which is incorrect. No self respecting scientist EVER says 100% because there are ALWAYS exceptions. in genetics, there can be a difference in penetrance, or a trait that is multi-genetic in origin. This is why some identical twins have different eye color. However, if one assumes the background rate of 2-3% homosexuality in a population, even an 11% rate in twins would indicate a genetic, or at least, a biological cause.

          • partiZancritic

            Identical twins with different eye color? Master in Qxymoronory, no doubt. Or is it a doctorate as well? And it seems stats are not a strong point either. Do you think perhaps there could be other factors – social or behavioral – which could explain a proportion of the 11%. You know, a variable other than the one you want so badly? Because science strives to be objective, or so I am told …

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Studies have found the co-relation of homosexuality in male, identical twin pairs to be around 50%. For fraternal twins, the percentage is much lower: roughly 22%. That right there strongly suggests a biological basis, rather than choice or upbringing.

          • partiZancritic

            What studies?

          • MarkOH

            Sigh, you sound like a brain dead parrot. People are giving you references. I guess you are just too, er, “smart” to read them.

            J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, “A genetic study of male sexual
            orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 48:1089-1096,
            December 1991

          • Lightning Baltimore

            If you are leaving people alone, why is your blog full of anti-gay posts and links to anti-gay blogs and organizations?

          • mantronikk

            “Anti-gay” is a homofascist phrase used against anyone who doesn’t support the glbt community. My posts are pro-hetero, not “anti-gay.” If you show me ANY post that is factually inaccurate I will remove it. I’ve done it before, after a challenge from Rob Tisinai himself.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            You can start by removing this ridiculous assertion (and the one that follows about lesbians), which is based upon your opinions rather than findings from the medical and scientific community, from your main page:

            “The five divisions of homosexuality are…

            The Stockholm (syndrome) homosexual, who was seduced and/or graduated into homosexuality by another, almost-always-older, male. The Effeminate homosexual who over-relates to women, usually due to a cruel or passive or absent father, and/or an overbearing mother. The Spotlight homosexual who’s rebelling against manlaw and loves the attention and drama that homoantagonism brings. The Vagiphobe homosexual who’s terrified of girls/women, usually due to older-female-on-younger-male sexual or physical or emotional abuse. And finally, the rarest division of all, the Normalphobe homosexual, who is without any outward signs of homosexuality and doesn’t need or want attention, but just can’t stand being sexually normal. Every homosexual is in at least one, but usually two, of these five divisions. (The ultra-rare “neuralgay” man, who became a homosexual after a brain injury, doesn’t get his own division since he became an Effeminate homosexual.)”

          • mantronikk

            Did you not see the sentences above what you posted that explained how I gleaned this information FROM actual, detailed conversations with homosexual men?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Of course I did, hence my statement that it is based upon your opinions rather than science.

          • mantronikk

            Observation, not opinion. You’re mischaracterizing my point.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Limited observation combined with a willful disregard of scientific findings is opinion and nothing more.

          • partiZancritic

            What scientific ‘findings’ are you on about? Stop teasing us, if you know of something we don’t, please let us have the source(s). We have been looking for what you claim knowledge of for years …

          • MarkOH

            “Word salad”.

            A racist is not necessarily anti-black but pro-white.

          • mantronikk

            Skin color compares to sexual behavior? Now you’re all over the road.

          • MarkOH

            Sexual orientation is as unchangeable as skin color or handedness.

          • MarkOH

            “I challenge the members of the glbt community to denounce telling children that homosexuality is normal,”
            That is in your header and inaccurate so remove it. I’ll check back in an hour to see that you honor your pledge.

          • MarkOH

            “And another counterfeit word from the glbt community is the word “transgendered” …..”
            Another one. Transgender is the state of one’s gender identity or gender expression not matching one’s assigned sex. It has NOTHING to do with what ever garbage you typed. I understand that this is probably more to due with your ignorance but it is inaccurate and should be removed as well. As you pledged to do.

          • MarkOH

            Well, it’s been 4 hours and I see you lied about removing things from your blog that are inaccurate.

            But I will answer a question from your blog:
            “There are people that have a rational, dispassionate rejection of homosexuality, but where is the single word that describes us?”

            Intolerant

          • MarkOH

            18 hours and counting. I guess you are going back on your pledge to remove your inaccurate posts. But, I don’t think anyone is surprised. You continue to lie, why change now?

          • partiZancritic

            It isn’t difficult, rcdcr (or is it lgtb?). It may be difficult for you, but all you have to do is to leave sin. Then it will be easier for you to listen to reason, and to do your best to be truthful, honest, helpful and respectful to other people.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, referring to rcdcr as “LGTB”. Like that is an insult!

    • IvanRider

      Because they have to paint us as monsters for defending sanity and for destroying Kinsey’s myths. It’s the only way they will get to prey on everything and everyone, while still maintaining political and societal power and respect.

      They have to paint targets on our backs, to advance themselves as cultural heroes. Making us actual victims while playing back doctored tapes to make themselves look like the victims that everyone else should raise on a pedestal.

      They are simply re-enacting the strategy seen on a cartoon in the 80’s. I believe the title of that episode was
      “Megatron’s Master Plan, Part 1″.

      And until the pervertsexuals have set us on a collision course with the sun, and enslaved all human society under their devious desires’ feet, they will never, ever be satisfied.

      • MarkOH

        “Because they have to paint us as monsters”
        You hypocrite. All you and your ilk DO is portray LGBT people as monsters. You are a classic bully – blaming the victim for starting to fight back. Blaming the person you are persecuting for demanding to be treated equally.

      • rcdcr

        Someone has some daddy issues and a warped view of sexuality, huh Ivan.

        You need prayer. And therapy.

      • mantronikk

        I know that some gays are attacked by homophobes and I’ve looked at the video and believe it to be genuine. However, the glbt community wants to make out ALL who shun homosexuality to be guilty of these attacks, and it’s that mischaracterization that I fight against.
        I don’t bully gays, but I won’t BE bullied by gays or their worshippers either.

        • MarkOH

          When one vilifies a person, one should not be surprised when someone acts on it.

          • mantronikk

            But are you not vilifying me for me fighting homofascism but leaving the glbt community alone? Aren’t you just mad at the fact that I have escaped the “homophobe” label, yet I continue to shine the light of truth on people like you? Am I not justified in separating from someone because of their behavior? The is what heteroseparatism is all about; separating from someone because of their behavior. Do you envy my originality? Do you hate me for disagreeing with your anti-hetero mindset? What gives? Why do you want to demonize me for walking away from someone because of their behavior especially when I denounced hatred for them?

          • MarkOH

            LOL, you haven’t escaped homophobia at all, it’s all over your site. And a good example is: “yet I continue to shine the light of truth on people like you?” What truth? And “people like you”? What does that mean? “Anti-hetero mindset”? I LOVE how haters make up terms and then work really hard to justify them.

          • mantronikk

            Instead of one of your classic, worn-out, “LOL” attacks, I challenge you to link ONE post on my site that condones hatred, oppression, or proactive violence towards a member of the glbt community.
            But you won’t do that. You will only come at me with attempts to mischaracterize me, and that’s fine. I expect you to do exactly what you are doing.

          • MarkOH

            I gave several in my previous posting.

            You assume yourself to be, somehow, better than your fellow human beings. You develop an “us versus them” environment which often leads to violence. Sure, after the vitriol you spew, you like to step back and say that you didn’t REALLY advocate violence. But it is underlying your separatist language.

          • mantronikk

            Why are you telling lies about me? What “…several in your previous posting”? “Us vs. them.”? I SPECIFICALLY denounce hatred in my logo, and the FIRST SENTENCE of my site at heteroseparatist dot com. How am I “spewing vitriol” by doing these things? How are you reading so much into heteroseparatism? I still challenge you to come up with just one of my posts that are factually inaccurate OR condone hatred, oppression, or proactive violence towards members of the glbt community. Until you can do that, aren’t you just an “LOL” attacker?

          • Lightning Baltimore

            If you are a “heteroseparatist,” why are you even commenting here? Why does your blog exist? By your own standards, you are not leaving the LGBT community alone in any fashion.

          • MarkOH

            Man, you play victim faster than anyone I know!

          • thisoldspouse

            Does the Bible, Christianity “villify” homosexuals?

  • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

    In need of excellent psychotherapy, although being part of the persecuted class, they would never listen : Scott Lively, Matt Barber and the ever-poster that CLEARLY is in another world “Rockon” or Solomese, or whatever his real name is.

    Human beings, all three, but never humane beings.

  • Stacy Lynn Harp

    Amen. You said it well, Scott and you would know.

    • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

      Here is some more “hoaxes” for you to enjoy over coffee and biscuits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy8tGBI5Kdk

    • Guest

      Nazi whore

    • StraightGrandmother

      Ignorance does not become you.

      • partiZancritic

        Speaking from a wealth of personal experience, I take it?

        • MarkOH

          StraightGrandmother has more knowledge and heart than you will ever have.

          • partiZancritic

            Lol, are you serious? She’s three halves short of a full fruit.

          • MarkOH

            So, that makes you a whole fruit?

  • Jay Hamilton

    Wow. I know I’m not the only one reading through these comments and seeing a modern version of Genesis chapter 19 play out. The homo mob hasn’t changed in centuries. Ephesians 6 also comes to mind. And of course Romans 1.

    • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

      Actually, it is Isaiah 58 playing out. People are sickened by the current stance of people in the American extremist sector oppressing, lying and fighting against civil rights. You have the right Book, wrong reference however.
      It is SHOCKING to me as a Christian, when people hold such oppressive views as though they are in line with God.

    • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

      Genesis 19? What do these comments have to do with male-on-male gang rape? I’m pretty sure everyone here is opposed to that.

      • Jay Hamilton

        What? I thought that story was about hospitality (LOL). No, I was referring more to the crazed nature of the gathering mob. “Christians support the harming of homos” blah blah blah. Silly.

        • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

          Well, of course, if you believe the Bible and Ezekiel, it was about hospitality. But from your LOL I take you don’t believe the Bible.

          But your comment was kind of amusing. Apparently when gay people object to being defamed on a website, it’s the same thing as a mob of straight men wanting to gang rape some out-of-towners.

          Yeah, that’s not crazy.

          • Jay Hamilton

            I always enjoy the Biblical scholarship from certain quarters. Always entertaining. And re
            “defaming” — most of the comments I read here are all about defaming. Gen. 19:4…”Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.” Hey, it’s good for web traffic and rankings on Alexa.

          • MarkOH

            I know. And it’s so CLEAR in the Bible:
            “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Sodom’s sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.” Ezekiel 16:49

          • Jay Hamilton

            Ezekiel doesn’t contradict Gen. 19, it supplements. — v5 “They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have SEX with them.” v6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him v7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this WICKED thing.” — I’d ask what’s so difficult to understand about that but the answer is given in Isaiah 44:18, John 12:40, and 2 Cor. 4:4.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Yeah, Jay, male-on-male gang rape is evil. We all agree on that. So what’s your point?

          • MarkOH

            I am aware it doesn’t contradict Genesis – it EXPLAINS Genesis. It is YOU who want to make Genesis mean something it doesn’t. Even when the Bible TELLS you what it means. How dare you ignore the word of God?

    • Guest

      Go suck on a Rosary you non-human Nazi maggot.

      • MichaelGC

        How tolerant of you. I wish more people would look in here and see what is hidden behind the phony talk of “loving couples.”

    • MichaelGC

      Also Ecclesiastes — “there is nothing new under the sun.”

      • Kyle

        Except for the internet and modern technology…

        • MichaelGC

          Yeah — I’m using it.

          • Kyle

            So you admit that the bible is wrong?

  • Rockon

    homosexual activists should be called the modern day slave owners. The position and stance they hold is that they don’t want anybody who has developed same sex attraction to have the choice to leave the plantation they like to call “gay.” No freedom to choose, no right to exercise self-determination, no individual liberty. We so-called “bigots” and “homophobe” believe that persons with same sex attraction are more than their romantic or sexual feelings; they are men and women and homosexuality is not worthy of them. The choice is theirs

    • MarkOH

      And, again, show ONE peer review study that shows sexual orientation is changeable.
      Oh, and tell me, how much gay sex did you have before you “chose” to be straight?

      • partiZancritic

        Is it that bad, eh Mark? You poor chap, must be terrible to have to live with such an obsession, having to know if people have had gay sex. You even want it quantified. Do you keep a diary, or record of some kind? Do you tell the shrink about it?

        • MarkOH

          I really could case less about what kind of sex someone has in his or her personal life. However, always fun to quiz closet cases.

          • partiZancritic

            Fun to quiz closet cases? So you speak to yourself often, do you? I suggest sharing that with your shrink as well.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, if anyone on here needs a shrink, it’s you.

    • thisoldspouse

      Yes, Michael Glatze is learning that you can never leave the “family,” under copious venom and extremely vile hatred from the Gaystapo.

  • Guest

    The Nazi Scott Lively is going to hang.

    • MichaelGC

      Vicious venom and threats of violence from the homofascist lobby — so typical — Scott Lively called it.

      • MarkOH

        Wow, so this is the one you felt needed a response? I do not agree with Sean’s posting but it is clearly Lively is advocating FAR more violence against innocent LGBT people.

        • partiZancritic

          Ah, hanging Dr Lively is a lesser offense. Good one, I see how that’s fairer. Of course it rhymes with the dirge you have been humming all this time here.

          • MarkOH

            Well, when one advocates violence to a whole group of innocents, I can see why some may want to cause that person harm. But, I guess if you make that other group somehow less human, the violence is OK. Worked with the Jews in Germany.

      • Kyle

        Homofascist lobby? This from the people who call homosexuals the most disgusting and degrading things imaginable, deny them their equality under the law, demand that their children be taken away from them, praise and lobby for laws that restrict their freedom of speech and association and advocate for their imprisonment or forced “rehabilitation”? The irony.

        • MichaelGC

          Yes, the homofascist lobby.

          Bombast all you want, but notice who is vowing death for the one who wrote the article that is now being commented on.

          • Kyle

            I disagree with the above call for Mr. Lively to hang, instead, I believe he and others like him should be treated in the exact same way that he advocates homosexuals be treated, he, you and others like you ought to be denied freedom of speech and association and otherwise legally marginalized and disadvantaged until you “make better choices” and if he and you still refuse to mend your ways, he and you ought be forcibly rehabilitated or imprisoned for the safety of children and to prevent the propagation of your disgusting position… Am I not loving and merciful? Lol!

          • partiZancritic

            How come they ‘associate’ in gay nightclubs and bathhouses all over Russia, then?

          • Kyle

            Because the Ruskies haven’t taken away their right to assemble in private places… YET, don’t worry that law is on it’s way though and I’m sure you’ll approve when it gets rubber stamped through Putin’s single party fascist Duma.

          • partiZancritic

            The Duma is one of their house of parliament, it’s not a political party, lol. Don’t the USkies under the gay-funded Obama do a similar thing here?

          • partiZancritic

            That’s already happening to Christians in the US, isn’t it?

          • Kyle

            Oh yes because Christians are so disadvantaged in the United States, roving gangs of homosexuals are burning down churches and Christian families are imprisoned daily…

  • Guest

    Sieg Heil!!!

  • Rockon

    How many Christians go on pro homosexuality sites and try to jam up the comment section? You guys have a lot to prove, don’t you? If the name “Scott Lively” alone is mentioned, homosexual activists and their minions start having cry baby seizures, fits, and get themselves all up in a tizzy. All they prove is that Scott Lively must have their number.

    • Kyle

      Do you need some cheese with all that whine?

      • Natalie

        You mean like how most of the LGBTs are doing in this thread?

        • MarkOH

          Hm, no whine from the supporters of LGBT. Can you give an example?

          • Natalie

            Did you see this thread? Look at how they are crying and foaming like how they always do when somebody either disagrees, or just call out the problems in their life.

            They are some of the biggest of the cry babies. Whine, whine, cry cry “you’re a bigot, homophobe” equality-waaaaah. Somebody always has to acknowledge my life style that no one asked about!”

            Yes…that’s the LGBT community.

          • MarkOH

            Noone would call you a bigot or a homophobe. Unless that’s what you are.

          • Natalie

            No one would call you a bigot or a homophobe—unless you expose the multiple problems in the LGBTs lives. Look at this thread, and how they are acting towards Lively. They are recklessly sensitive, and have the nerve to cry for tolerance?

            Try acting like civilized human beings.

          • MarkOH

            Lively advocates for LGBT to be jailed and executed.

            I do NOT need to be tolerant of intolerance.

            But, please, what are the “multiple problems in the LGBTs lives” ?

          • partiZancritic

            lying, lies, and more lying .. that’s just for starters

          • MarkOH

            Strange, all the people I know, gay and straight, are generally honest. Maybe it’s the people you hang out with that are liars.

          • partiZancritic

            Nope. There is quite a bit of evidence to show that homosexual activists have a propensity to lie and misrepresent things.

          • MarkOH

            Uh, can you provide ANY proof? Other than your own delusions, I mean.

    • Realitycbd

      No, Christians only go to gay pride events with bullhorns and attempt to disrupt.

    • Ray

      Gays don’t normally encounter people who strive to criminalize us. That’s why we’re here. He tried and failed in this country so he’s now exporting the effort around the world. We just want the world to know what he’s up to.

      You’re welcome

      • thisoldspouse

        More of this inane fallacy. PEOPLE are never criminalized; its not even possible. Only BEHAVIOR can be criminalized.

        • Ray

          Criminalize private, consensual behavior between adults?

          Let’s look at the Texas (and 13 other states) prior to the U.S. Supreme Court overturning their criminal statutes on sodomy.

          In the case of Texas and those 13 other states, straight couples, whether married or not, could engage in acts of sodomy LEGALLY. They were not prohibited from engaging in the EXACT same things gays do in their private sexual live. NOOOO. Texas ONLY criminalized gays and lesbians for those acts. Those “behaviors” you mention, idiot. If a straight couple got “oral” with each other in a private, consensual act, NO PROBLEM!!! It wasn’t regarded as a crime. SURELY, those acts were **BEHAVIORS**. If a gay couple engaged in the SAME private, consensual act, they were held in violation of the law. So, we KNOW that 95% of the straight population of this country engages in those EXACT **behaviors** and they never went to jail for it. That penalty was reserved for gays and lesbians ALONE, as a special punishment. Not only that, in Texas if you were found guilty of engaging in that behavior, you had to register as a sex offender. And when you were forced to do that, you were PROHIBITED from working in certain jobs. Ironically, one of those jobs was INTERIOR DESIGN!!!!!! But more commonly, it mean if you were a school teacher you lost your job.

          What Texas did was to SELECTIVELY criminalize behavior. NO straight person EVER was charged with sodomy when engaging in consensual sex with an adult. It was CLEARLY a case in which gays and lesbians were singled out for special punishment for an act that virtually ALL adults engage in.

          Talk about inane fallacies. You’re so bigoted you don’t even care what history can show you and in the age of Google, you just don’t have an excuse for not knowing about this.

          • thisoldspouse

            “Sodomy” originally referred to same-sex acts, so the meaning is valid.

          • Ray

            Ha! You’re an F—ing liar. The entire nation was following the case of Lawrence v. Texas. There WAS a requirement to register you moron. The case in Texas involved two men who were in bed in a private residence (OWNED by Lawarence, by the way) and the police broke the door down, dragged them out of bed naked, and arrested them. Do you just make this crap up as you go along? And Texas made the same claim you did – that there was no real permanent damage since it was a misdemeanor. BUT, those arrested had to register as sex offenders and Texas law REQUIRES sex offenders to notify an employer or a potential employer. Just that requirement for a private consensual act would DOOM an employee to joblessness. You idiot. You are not entitled to alter the facts.

            Oh! And your “original meaning” argument is useless. ADULTERY is a **behavior** that is enshrined in the freaking Ten Commands, for God’s sake, and NO STATE prosecutes it now. NONE!!!! Has the original meaning of adultery been altered? Is adultery less prevalent than sodomy? Adultery is STILL shamed by Chrisitanity and not ONE state prosecutes it. NOT ONE! Why? Selective punishment, that’s why. And because too many politicians and preachers have committed that sin and it would be “embarrassing” if they had to publicly suffer the consequences.

            And irony of ironies! Just before Texas enacted that statute prohibiting homosexual sodomy, they REPEALED their beastiality law. In other words, it wasn’t a crime for some cowboy to schutp a cow, but NO WAY could two consenting adults have sex in private.

            You are a fanatic and that’s the only word that actually describes you. You don’t have Christ in your heart. Christ reached out to sinners. You simply judge and condemn. You are evil and certainly no Christian.

          • thisoldspouse

            You’re talking to a former police officer, you filthy mouthed freak. I know the law, and there was NO requirement for someone cited under the sodomy statute to register as a sex offender. None.

            And you know NONE of the real facts of Lawrence. The entire thing was a setup. The police were called to the residence on a fake disturbance call. They were allowed into the apartment by a man, who pointed to a bedroom. That’s where the police allegedly saw Garner and Lawrence in the act. There was no “breaking down doors.”

            You do not know Christ if you celebrate sin like you do. You have been fed a fake “Jesus” that will burn in hell along with you if you do not repent.

          • Ray

            You were a police officer? Imagine that. A bigot while being an officer of the law.

          • Ray

            No one has to register, you say?

            Ahem!

            The stigma this criminal statute imposes, moreover, is not trivial. The offense, to be sure, is but a class C misdemeanor, a minor offense in the Texas legal system. Still, it remains a criminal offense with all that imports for the dignity of the persons charged. The petitioners will bear on their record the history of their criminal convictions. Just this Term we rejected various challenges to state laws requiring the registration of sex offenders.Smith v. Doe , 538 U. S. __ (2003); Connecticut Dept. of Public Safety v. Doe , 538 U. S. 1(2003) . We are advised that if Texas convicted an adult for private, consensual homosexual conduct under the statute here in question the convicted person would come within the registration laws of a least four States were he or she to be subject to their jurisdiction. Pet. for Cert. 13, and n. 12 (citing Idaho Code §§18–8301 to 18–8326 (Cum. Supp. 2002); La. Code Crim. Proc. Ann., §§15:540–15:549 (West 2003); Miss. Code Ann. §§45–33–21 to 45–33–57 (Lexis 2003); S. C. Code Ann. §§23–3–400 to 23–3–490 (West 2002)). This underscores the consequential nature of the punishment and the state-sponsored condemnation attendant to the criminal prohibition. Furthermore, the Texas criminal conviction carries with it the other collateral consequences always following a conviction, such as notations on job application forms, to mention but one example.

            There it is, genius. Direct from the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas. Under punishment from that Texas law, four states would require the “criminal” in that exact case and under those exact circumstances to register as a sex offender. They must not teach that in the police academy.

          • thisoldspouse

            Again, it’s not possible to criminalize people. That is such an inane statement, but I don’t expect you to understand it because the homo-leftist koolaid has pickled your brain.

          • Ray

            You’re a bigoted liar and mental cripple and there’s no hope for you. I was HIGHLIGHTING ***behaviors*** as well as calling them behaviors. Are you completely illiterate?

    • thisoldspouse

      We can’t. We get immediately banned.

  • Natalie

    You nailed it, Lively. No wonder why the love and tolerance gang are up and arms over this article! Keep telling the truth. God bless you.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Honey don’t feel so smug. The Russians HATE coloreds (using their term not mine) to so you can step down off that Russian Horse you rode in on.
      This from the Extreme Right National Review
      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/370083/racism-runs-deep-russia-cody-boutilier

    • MarkOH

      Sorry, but you wouldn’t recognize truth if it hit you in the face. Lively’s lies are blatant. It’s a sign of his desperation. Since he’s lost this fight (and the money he makes off of it) he needs to say ANYTHING to try to change the direction. But, it won’t change. Truth ALWAYS wins out. It’s why Lively is going to less developed countries where they may accept his hatred and vitriol more readily.

      • Natalie

        Sure.

        • MarkOH

          I’m glad you agree

          • Natalie

            Suuuure.

      • partiZancritic

        Have you ever heard of that saying, “Don’t count your chicks before they hatch”? He hasn’t lost this fight. You have. Because, like it or not, his book and his writings are out there, and here. And more of us are doing the same – taking up the pen. Even those homosexuals who feel they have been misrepresented by homosexualists like you and the others like you who are trying to jam this thread, of which there are quite a few, are getting sick of your rubbish. they are among the ones who are standing up to your lies, because they know a world that is made in your liking is going to harm them as well.

        Again, you are a nothing.

        • MarkOH

          Keep drinking the Kool aid. Polls in this country show an EVER increasing support for LGBT and same sex marriage. Especially in the under 35’s. Your hate is dying out and will be replaced (soon) with a bright future where all are welcome.

          • partiZancritic

            Really? I suppose us breeders will need to be organized according to the homosexual manifesto, then? I see the queer theory is already taking grasp of the mechanisms of power.

          • MarkOH

            Sounds like you need some sleep. You are typing gibberish and nonsense.

          • partiZancritic

            You may see it as gibberish, maybe you should read the gay manifesto. I don’t mean the so-called ‘satire’ that starts with “We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity …” and ends with “Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks”. I mean the Carl Wittman’s 1970 ‘A gay manifesto’.

            Read what you are associating yourself with:
            “A note on exploitation of children: kids can take care of themselves, and are
            sexual beings way earlier than we’d like to admit. Those of us who began
            cruising in early adolescence know this, and we were doing the cruising, not
            being debauched by dirty old men. Scandals such as the one in Boise, Idaho –
            blaming a “ring” of homosexuals for perverting their youth – are the
            fabrications of press and police and politicians. And as for child molesting,
            the overwhelming amount is done by straight guys to little girls: it is not
            particularly a gay problem, and is caused by the frustrations resulting form
            anti-sex puritanism.”

            Sounds familiar? Of course it is – it’s what the homosexualists are saying even today, even here on this page.

            You may be curious as to what happened to Wittman. Well, he sadly died, gruesomely of AIDS. But it’s even more sad that he managed to infect many, many young people at his “free sex” ranch he set up as a free sex commune. You may pick this up as a comment you dislike, because truth statements grate you homosexualists, knowing as you do that you live a lie. But its the real difference between what I represent and what you do. I wish for a society where children grow up free of parasites like Wittman and your friends here. Where people are not sexualized by disgusting perverts.

            You keep yabbering on about sex, accusing us of being obsessed by it. But the simple fact of the matter is that you can’t talk to anyone without talking about it. It’s your identity, sexual behavior is who you are and what describes you. When we talk about homosexualists, we talk about queer ideology, and queer ideology is primarily a concern with sexuality and how to sexualize people.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, a 40 year old book that was written as satire at the time? THAT’S what you base your ideas on? Man, you are just sad.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Digging up obscure documents written by a single individual that no one else here has even heard of? Holy cow, you are obsessed!

          • partiZancritic

            Would you like me to explain what the meaning of ‘manifesto’ is? I suspect I would be wasting my time, though. You’re not here to discuss ideas, but to condemn and belittle – it’s the central strategy of your activism.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            parti, I’ve read your posts. You’re not here to discuss ideas at all. You want nothing more than condemn and belittle — and then, apparently, to complain when you’re given a bit of your own medicine.

            Meanwhile, a manifesto is a “published verbal declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group, political party or government.” But I’m sure you knew that, so what’s your point?

          • partiZancritic

            The point is obvious in the quote you copied and pasted, if you’d only pause and attempt to comprehend it. A manifesto is a political document meant to radicalize, legitimize and provide the ideological basis for a group which sets out to challenge society and change it radically. It has significance no matter how old it is, because it points to what the movement which it has been written for is, in it’s raw state. By reading the manifestos of a radical movement, one can understand what it is actually about, because they are written for followers.

      • thisoldspouse

        You’re just a racist, Mark. Natalie is black, so you’re a racist.

  • Tiger

    Really, baseless accusations is all you have left.

    Well how about this…

    Is Scott Lively is a gay man repressing his homosexual urges? Is this is why he lashes out at the LGBT community?

    Hey, I am just asking questions, that’s all.

  • IvanRider

    Sexual orientation is a made-up social construct invented by Cultural Marxists to convince the sexually deviant to become their pawns, rather than seek personal reform for their own benefit.

    And I know why many of you crows for George-Soros-The-Devil on this thread are so willing to abuse men like me: because we simply try to pull the curtain away on your wizard and save you. Is that a waste of time?

    I know why you aren’t attacking Muslims: because they wouldn’t waste time trying to win over your hearts to biological reality, reason, and hope. They’d simply hunt you down and cut you up.

    You say Russia is “evil” for going after you when you’ve violated your visas, violated their children publicly, and vandalized their sacred buildings. Yet, you turn a blind eye to the Muslim countries where they slaughter you like animals – sometimes without any even remote evidence to verify claims of your deviant desires.

    If you were consistent, you would be going after those who do you the most harm. But you instead target those who simply try to help you, and who refuse to coddle the Kinseyan delusions that destroy you.

    And you shed first blood, first and foremost.

    The attack on us by the media in 1998, accusing us of killing shepherd when it was two gay drug dealers that did it, is the biggest act of blood libel ever propagated by modern-day Neros. And you refuse to repent of this false narrative!

    So who’s doing the real persecuting and targeting? The evidence speaks for itself, especially given that all the “hate crime” fakers tend to single out Christians and only Christians in their slander, and no other group.

    Nero would have been proud of you. And that should fill you with shame.

    • MarkOH

      You sad, pathetic man. Sexual orientation is not some made up idea but a true definition of reality. Your inability to see that reality is troubling.

      Why bring in Muslims? No one is pointing to any religion in particular, just intolerance.

      Yes, Russia IS evil. Any country that would seek out and abuse it’s own citizens for no crime IS evil. You keep spouting out about “the children” but there is no validity in those comments.

      Are you saying, with your vile language and bigotry that you are trying to HELP LGBT people? Very mentally ill way to help anyone.

      And who is the “us” being attacked by the media? Are you involved in the death of Mathew Shepard?

      “So who’s doing the real persecuting and targeting?” Those people who are targeting LGBT people, silly. That’s an easy one.

      And, since most people committing these hate crimes (yes, they DO exist) claim to do it under the guise of Christianity, and the greater Christian community does not reprimand them, Christians do tend to get singled out. Of course, those Christians are not being maimed and killed like the LGBT people are.

      And the death of every LGBT should fill YOU with shame, for your hate mongering caused it to occur.

  • IvanRider

    Something the blind and brainwashed followers of Kinseyism and Sadean ideology need to consider real hard: If you have full ability to rewrite every siick, intrusive same-sex thought as your entitlement/obligation to some imaginary construct of an “orientation,” and use that as a way to set yourself up as a sacred cow culturally that is entirely above reproach no matter what you do or to whom you do it, then how do to address the growing issue of pedophilia and bestaility?

    Are we honestly to believe some are “born that way” when it comes to torturing animals sexually? Denmark already has this problem. They claim that as long as the animal isn’t beaten bloody, or showing other signs of agony, then they’re fine with creepos raping animals. How do you call this a “mere orientation?” How do you sleep at night?

    And since it’s already here, don’t give me that “slippery slope is a myth” drivel. It’s already happened.

    • MarkOH

      You are a sick individual. To compare the love between two consenting adults to animal cruelty demonstrates a truly distorted mind.

      But, tell me, how much gay sex did you have until you chose to be straight?

      • IvanRider

        Using another’s body for sexual practices it was not designed for is not love. It is every bit as distorted as animal cruelty. Worse…because you place a human soul in jeopardy.

        There are several women in my life I care about. But even though their bodies are designed for sex with me, their circumstances in life are not. So I know the loving thing is to refrain from using them for sex.

        Of course, an ed-screw-cation system that teaches that agape isn’t real and that storge and what-not aren’t, and that eros is all there is, will naturally produce someone who doesn’t comprehend what love is.

        And in the minds of those animal abusers, what they are doing also counts as “love,” because they cannot comprehend how propriety plays a role any more than you do. And they were fed the same “erotic attraction is all there is” filth and deceit that you were force-fed through values clarification and other tactics.

        In their twisted minds, animals don’t have a concept of “consent,” so to ask for consent is a waste of time. Increasingly, your side is becoming this way toward children. Don’t believe me? I specifically recall one of the FreeKate nuts telling me that 26-year-old men should have unrestricted access to 13-year-old-or-younger girls. Consent is clearly not the issue. The issue is propriety.

        • MarkOH

          Sex, sex, sex – I can’t help getting the impression that all you think about is gay sex. Perhaps you should act on those feelings. The same sex couples I know are as loving as the opposite sex couples. Some are very sexually active, some not at all. But they LOVE each other, and that is ALL that matters.

          You really need mental help if you think animal abuse is love.

          • partiZancritic

            But he doesn’t think that. Yet again you misrepresent what he says. Is it as a result of the pathological condition you have? The projecting is especially worrying, it seems to be something you can’t do without.

          • Kyle

            Do you have trouble reading? Almost all of Ivan are on this tread are a mix of sex and conspiracy theory.

          • partiZancritic

            No, that’s what he’s being led into talking about. Read the posting before his, where mark bites him, then read mark’s following post. Read mark’s other posts. .

          • Kyle

            The one where Mark says nothing about sex and instead talks about love in response to Ivan’s rather incoherent rant about sex and conspiracies?

          • MarkOH

            I think he must have “over looked” that one.

          • MarkOH

            OMG. Almost every line in his POST he talks about sex. You really have a hard time at reality, don’t you?

      • partiZancritic

        Not as much as you, obviously.

        • MarkOH

          Nice to know you admit at least trying it. So you must be either a bisexual or (more likely) a closeted, self-loathing homosexual.

          • partiZancritic

            Really? You tried it? Stop fantasizing, I am beginning to be embarrassed for you. Or/and are you using the tactic listed on pp.226-7 of the propaganda manifesto designed by Kirk and Madsen? That is, continuously label those who question your logic as latent homosexuals?

            They explain it thus:
            “Jam homohatred and discourage … by linking them to latent homosexuality … And get them to believe that displaying homohaterd may not lead to social approval, but to personal embarrassment and loss of status … the principal target is Ambivalent Skeptic … Skeptics will begin to to censor their own homohatred …”

          • MarkOH

            “That is, continuously label those who question your logic as latent homosexuals?'”

            No, just one’s who seem to be self loathing closet cases, like yourself.

          • partiZancritic

            So you are conversant with the strategy, then? This contradicts your previous stance – once again showing you for the liar that you are.

            There is no ‘homosexual closet’ for heterosexuals, that’s an oxymoron. By contrast, homosexuals are, by virtue of their anatomy, heterosexuals in the homosexual closet. So the question is a pertinent to you, not me – your continuous, obsessive projecting means that you secretly hope I reverse it for your benefit. Except that I have training in psychology, and so I am more interested in helping you. My reply is, rather, a truth statement: “Don’t be afraid to come out – it’s the real you, after all”:

  • IvanRider

    Natalie is a redeemed former addict of Crookedist attraction. She has more right to speak on this topic than you or I.

    • MarkOH

      “redeemed former addict of Crookedist attraction” ?

      What the heck does this even mean?

    • JoeMyGodNYC

      Except that she admits that she’s never actually had SEX with another woman. She just idly daydreamed about it once, at school, so she thinks that makes her “ex-gay.”

      HILARIOUS!

  • IvanRider

    I’ve noticed some interesting trends on this thread, as opposed to real-life. When I showed no interest and would not give my seal of approval on men who act in a predatory manner toward women, use them, get them drunk to take advantage of them, etc., they would laugh and tease me for being a “goodie-good.”

    But they’d have enough decency to back off when it was clear I’d had enough and was not interested in being corrupted by them. They didn’t like it that I considered some things in life to be more important than “getting a little nookie.” But in the end, they accepted my position, and let it be.

    I have more respect for those dogs than for a lot of the pervertsexuality cheer squad on this board. Because at least those creeps had some level of humanity to them, and knew when they’d pushed me too far. The cheer squad here, however, knows no limits.

    The dogs I knew in college didn’t call me a “hater” for not approving of what they did. They didn’t steal my photos. They didn’t paint me as bin Laden or Hitler all across the web.

    They didn’t call me a Nazi (while denying their own Pink Swastika roots,) even though the German heritage in me of the family that fled before WWI to get away from Kaiser Wilhelm takes great offense to being compared to the “bear” gay culture of the Nationalist Socialist Party of Germany that sought to avenge the Kaiser’s madness.

    Yet, the cheer squad of an even-worse bent on this site, the thieves who stole God’s trademark of the rainbow because their original banner of black death and drying-up blood made for lousy advertising has done all that to me and my friends, and worse things.

    They expect me to feel sympathy when Russians punch them in the face, right after they smash a stained glass window to a church that did nothing to them – except believe in a God that has the right to judge their behavior and tell men they have no authority to overrule the judgement said Judge has already ruled.

    They expect me to mourn with them when they go to jail – after carving slurs into their own foreheads and setting their own front yards on fire. Because if I don’t, then I’m the same thing as Dahmer…somehow. (Never mind that Dahmer was a gay cannibal.)

    They expect me to ignore the grannies they have beaten half to death with beer bottles, simply for holding up signs that say “Jesus Saves.” Because somehow, I’m the “hater’ if I don’t approve of their violence against that granny they beat.

    They expect me to feel sorry for them when they’re told they don’t get to have unrestricted access to the showers where a sixth grader washes up after a basketball game, and call me a “meanie” in a very infantile way for saying no to them; but expect me to ignore the time they mailed anthrax to a Mormon temple.

    They compare me to Ted Kaczinsky, just for upholding what the Bible says about the origin of SSA: “They were given over to reprobate minds because they denied God’s power.” Yet, when they and their sympathizers bombed a bus just for having a pro-life message on its side, I’m supposed to look the other way?

    You guys have a credibility problem as old as Sodom and Gomorrah. You advocated raping angels, and called it “hate” when we wouldn’t let you. Yet, you continue to kick our doors in. You continue to prove that Michael Swift was not satire after all, as you persist in your “too much is never enough” antics.

    We’re trying to save your sorry, ruptured behinds from the even bigger brimstone storm that is to come. Yet, you insist on its invitation, wondering why it isn’t already here. You mess with things you don’t even understand.

    • MarkOH

      My guess is none of those “friends” no longer keep in touch.

      You condescend, verbally abuse, and vilify and yet you expect people respect your views? You base your opinions on falsehoods and lies, and expect people to give them validity? You portray love between two people as something evil and dirty. You continue to blame the victims in this violence and then get upset when someone calls you on it.

      You are a vile person who deserves to live alone, away from normal people. Let your hate consume and destroy you. Hopefully it will do so before you can ruin someone elses life.

    • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

      Ivan, this bit sums up your problem in a nutshell:

      You guys have a credibility problem as old as Sodom and Gomorrah. You advocated raping angels, and called it “hate” when we wouldn’t let you.

      I wasn’t there, so you can’t say I advocated raping angels. You weren’t there, so you can’t use the word “we” in that sentence.

      It’s all your fantasy. Your whole view of gay people, of how they treat you, and especially of you treat them (with your false statements of “just because I…”) — these are all divorced from reality.

      SHORTER VERSION: When you tell me I advocated raping angels, I know what you’re writing is insane.

    • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

      Ivan, you described gay people as:

      the cheer squad of an even-worse bent on this site

      So in your moral universe, two adults having consenting same-sex relations in a loving, committed relationship is worse than a predatory man getting a woman drunk so he can “take advantage” of her?

      That’s twisted. I hope it’s not what you’re teaching your sons: You say you raped a woman by getting her drunk and having sex with her while she was passed out? Well, at least you’re not as low as those gay people.

    • Kyle

      A narcissistic fascist with a persecution complex, get some psychiatric treatment buddy, your crazy is showing…

    • Penny Marie Sautereau

      You’re the dog dude. And we call you a hater because you ARE one. If you were “simply disagreeing with homosexual conduct”, you wouldn’t post comments agreeing we shouldn’t have full legal rights and equality. THAT’S where you cross the line into hater.

  • rcdcr

    Your version of manhood is very, very weak, brother.

  • Natalie

    I’m talking about Lively.

  • Matt

    I bumped into you on another site a few years ago – I love that you’re still peddling your site, and people continue to ignore it.

  • Matt

    You completely failed to answer his question. You said nothing about how many of those 1,241 hate crimes per year are real, and how many are fake.

  • IvanRider

    Pervies don’t get to declare themselves the victims, then build an entire website in which they threaten to chop Bizzle to smithereens and mail the parts to his family, just for singing a song that challenges their assumptions and asks them to think. (By the way, mailing mutilations is a mafia-style death threat.)

    Anyone else besides me getting sick of LGBTQ(PZ) acting like they can issue mafia-style death threats to anyone who dares not swallow their Kinseyan heresies, while continuing to declare themselves the “victims” while claiming actual victims?

    Oh yes, the Mafia did that too. “We’re just poor, persecuted Sicilians…that live in obscenely rich compounds and drive expensive cars and blow your head off if you look at us funny! And the greatest targets of our violence are each other, because of all the loose lips! And we define the police doing anything about our crimes as ‘persecution’!”

    The only major difference? The old school Mafiosi actually were an ethnic group. Not a bunch of manchildren that have been lied to by a pedophile-controlled pubic indoctrucation screwl system their whole lives to be used as cogs in a Cultural Marxist plot to destroy western civilization.

    • MarkOH

      “… to anyone who dares not swallow ..”

      Oh my gosh, just come out of the closet already! You do realize, don’t you, that those who show the most animosity to gay individuals are actually the ones who are most aroused at gay images?

      • partiZancritic

        That’s another tactic, so warn by now. To call your opponents closeted homosexuals. You do realize that it came out of your mind alone? And that you are thinking it, translating what others do and say into your own perverted view of the world? Attributing something to someone just because you’re fantasizing about it doesn’t make it real.

        • MarkOH

          Did I hit a nerve with you? interesting.

          • partiZancritic

            Well, you jabber on about it. Liek it is important to you or something. One can’t fail to notice it man … oops! sorry. I meant [insert] whatever gender “neutral” term you want to call yourself [].

          • MarkOH

            “Liek” ? Is that a new word?

          • partiZancritic

            Do you think about it all the time? Just answer the question. Are you so taken with queer ideology that it constantly clouds reason for you, pushing you to ask about sexuality to feed your perverted view of other human beings? Or are you incapable of answering a straight question. (Pun intended).

            Just remember that history will associate creeps like you with pederasty, and worse. When people recall the roaming, screeching troupes of homoactivists, like the one you belong to, they will also remember Putin’s simple request: “Please leave our children alone”. Fantasizing creeps like you will be held up as undignified and degenerate examples of what he and most civilized humanity recoils from. Queer theory and ideology, with its psychotic focus on destroying heteronormativity, to destroy all sexual norms which enabled civilization as we know it will (already is) be seen in the same way in which radical feminism, communism and Nazism came to be seen. Queer terrorism is already making a name for itself – one only have to read the comments on this page to see it in action.

          • MarkOH

            OOOOO, scarey.

            First, it is usually HETEROSEXUAL men who prey on children.
            Secondly, all your vilification will look like lunacy in the future (it actually does now).
            Lastly, do I think about sexual orientation all the time? Who has the time? I work, pay bills, take care of my home, help with my elderly mother, am a member of my neighborhood association, and am helping to raise my nephew and niece.

            I made a simple comment and you seem very upset about it (and it wasn’t even directed at you). Again, I think I struck a nerve.

          • partiZancritic

            Like the indoctrinated automaton that you are,once again you repeat the mantra – as I predicted. Not the least bit of capacity to think for yourself. So sad to see it.
            Yes, you struck a nerve – the one that motivates me to try to get people to think for themselves, to take responsibility for what they are doing. To realize that they are supporting something that harms society, and will ultimately hurt them and their loved ones. It appears I was mistaken.

          • MarkOH

            You are mistaken in SO many ways. Homosexuality no more helps nor harms society than heterosexuality.

            You vilification and hatred of others, however, will only hurt you in the end. Please, get help.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Somebody here is obsessed with homosexuality, but it’s not MarkOH.

          • partiZancritic

            So then, it must be you!

    • Lightning Baltimore

      What on Earth are you talking about???

    • Guest

      Ok, we’ll stop the mafia-style death threats and move on to hanging you Nazi barbarian maggots which you deserve

      • partiZancritic

        I see what Matt is doing. Letting these lowlifes “express” themselves in their usual manner. Shootings and hangings so far. Anything else?

      • thisoldspouse

        Keep talking, perv. You are our greatest evidence.

  • Penny Marie Sautereau

    Oh how cute, the Lying Liar Who Lies found a new hate mecca to spew his toxic hateful BS from, supported by an echo chamber of bigoted idiots devoid of all face.

    This comment will be deleted to maintain a one-sided narrative in 5… 4… 3… 2…

    • MarkOH

      Ah, you must have posted on NOM’s site!

    • RJLigier

      Another borderline psychotic homosexual/bisexual………….

      • Kyle

        Another narcissistic fascist with a persecution complex and a sex fixation, get psychiatric help RJ, your crazy is showing…

  • MarkOH

    LOL, you use your OWN blog site as reference???

    • mantronikk

      The links within my post are my reference. Please conduct yourself as an adult here.

      • MarkOH

        I always do. Still sad to use your own blog as a reference.

        • mantronikk

          Please listen carefully… the links within the post are my reference.

          • MarkOH

            I did listen. Why do you even question it?

          • partiZancritic

            Do you even know what a reference is, mark?

          • MarkOH

            Having a masters and a doctorate, yes.

          • partiZancritic

            Really? Where did you get them from – the cornflakes packet?
            And it’s Master’s, ‘not masters’. If you do have a testamur, have a look at how it’s spelled.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, a punctuation Nazi.

          • partiZancritic

            Not at all. It is contextual. If you’re going to attempt to ridicule others, at least take some care that you don’t leave yourself open to easy attacks. I know it’s hard not to act yourself, but if you like to pass yourself off as educated and trained in science, at least know how to spell the qualification you claim to have.

          • MarkOH

            I didn’t realize providing facts was ridiculing anyone.

          • partiZancritic

            What facts did you refer to, pray tell?

          • MarkOH

            Everything I have posted.

          • partiZancritic

            Prove it.

          • MarkOH

            Be much easier for you to point out something that is untrue.

          • partiZancritic

            The one above my previous one, “Everything I have posted”.
            Now your turn. Or else do the ‘poof’! thing

          • MarkOH

            Sigh, if there is something untrue, give a reason for your belief it is and I will respond. Everything I have posted is true. Easily researched (if you would take the time to actually read). And, until you show me anything is untrue, than no reason to prove it is true. Because it is all true.

  • MarkOH

    An article written by an English professor on the origin of the word “homosexual” – and your point is, what exactly?

  • MarkOH

    “renaming of old diseases”???
    It must take a LOT of energy on your part to stay so blinded.

  • MarkOH

    Now THIS is a fabricated video!

  • MarkOH

    “”lesbian” couples have the highest rates of domestic violence, and
    homosexual male couples have the 2nd highest rates of any other type of
    couple.”

    Uh, not from the flyer you reference.

  • Black Talon

    i support Russia 100% in its new law that bans sodomite propaganda, Russia should follow the righteous example of Uganda, and ban homophilia with jail time as punishment for commiting sodomite acts.

    • Guest

      And you will hang at neck for it. We will hunt you Nazis down one by one and end your worthless lives.

      • partiZancritic

        lemme have your email, we can communicate a mutually convenient place to meet. then you can try to hang me. ok?

        • thisoldspouse

          Sodomists are, above everything else, cowards. They’ll hide behind their screen names in front of a remote computer, or scream obscenities at you in a rabid pack of like minded hyenas, or send you a lawsuit by mail, but are sniveling worms when you stand up to them. I think it’s part of their complex of disorders.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            That’s hilarious coming from someone hiding behind a screen name in front of a remote computer.

          • thisoldspouse

            But I’m not threatening to hang someone, am I.

          • http://wakingupnow.com/ Rob Tisinai

            Not that I know of. Still, I have to wonder if you’d spew this sort of invective if you weren’t hiding behind the screen name.

  • Black Talon

    how do you know that is a sodomite? it could be anyone, even a drug dealer.

    • MarkOH

      But, you’d be OK with it either way, wouldn’t you?

  • Black Talon

    just because he was called “faggot” does not mean he was murdered because he was a sodomite, it could be any reason, he owed money, or he was a rival drug pusher, etc etc.

    • HomerTh

      He was a graduate student working at a hotel to earn money for tuition. Two men held him up at gunpoint as he walked home from work. They took his wallet. Phillip decided to grab for his wallet back and the one with the handgun shot him in the head. Philip’s co-worker was lucky he wasn’t shot. The two men were never caught.

      Interesting to see Scott LIvely posting comments under fake names like “Black Talon.”

      • partiZancritic

        So robbery was the motive, yet you as much as said that he was murdered because of a hate crime?
        Why am I not surprised?

        here is an example of a real hate crime:
        http://ptownson.blogspot.com.au/2006/11/catholic-woman-murdered-by-gay-man-she.html

      • mantronikk

        So he WASN’T killed just because he was gay?!

        • HomerTh

          The police said the two men who held Philip and his friend up at gun point were targeting gay men in a neighborhood in Dallas where many LGBT people lived.

          You know, I could really care less whether you believe me or not.

          I sometimes think about Philip and wonder what sort of life he would have led if he hadn’t been killed. He was a really nice guy, everybody liked him.

          • Black Talon

            if he was robbed, then he wasn’t tageted for being a sodomite, those muggers , like all muggers, target those who are easy to mug. also, those muggers could have been sodomites themselves, so it would be a sodomite on sodomite crime like the overwhelming majority of violent acts committed against sodomites. and i am not Scott Lively. the only reason i use this name is because for some reason my facebook account cant seem to post here.

          • MarkOH

            Your disdain for your fellow man is reprehensible.

  • RJLigier

    More gay on gay violence…………what’s your point?

    • MarkOH

      And that really excites you, doesn’t it?

  • RJLigier

    HOMONAZIs and Communists……….borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals, the most violent among us………….not victims by any stretch of the imagination……….classic strategy is borderline confrontational behavior immediately reverting to passive-aggression when challenged………………..

    • Guest

      Stop projecting you Nazi maggot.

  • http://twitter.com/thom1956 Tom Schott

    Just wondering, Mr. Lively, did Ms. Stauffer throw herself against a wall in 1991, or was that you who did that to her? Just want to get that one story correct. Edit to add: that was in Oregon, to jog your memory.

    • Realitycbd

      I thought Lon Mabon was the one who assaulted a woman in Oregon.

      I think Lively just approvingly watched.

      • http://twitter.com/thom1956 Tom Schott

        Oregonians have a memory of Lively knocking her down, then dragging her by her hair. All in Christian Love, of course.

        • Realitycbd

          You’re right, it was Scott Lively who assaulted a woman.

          • Rockon

            have a memory? sure they do. And they didn’t bother to call the police? You guys would be funny if your victim-card passion play wasn’t so sad

          • Realitycbd

            What on Earth are you jabbering on about?

            Fact. Scott Lively assaulted a woman in Oregon and had to pay $31,000.

          • http://twitter.com/thom1956 Tom Schott

            “And they didn’t bother to call the police?”

            Well, it went in front of a court and Mr. Lively was ordered to pay monetary damages for the assault. (Whether he actually paid, i don’t know.)
            Now, i suppose that would mean the police got involved sometime before that point, eh?

          • thisoldspouse

            The “gay” victim card was a lot fresher then. Now, it’s rather tattered from constant use.

    • thisoldspouse

      At least he didn’t bash her head in with a hammer, as is the custom of the homosexual community.

    • thisoldspouse

      Yes, Stauffer was oh, so innocent. Just walking down a street minding her own business, right?

      Instead of trespassing in a private meeting to film it, and then refusing to leave. The truth is inconvenient, isn’t it?

  • William Dedee

    Vlad, and Scott, both of you are to be commended for your stand against this pathological lifestyle. Remain strong in the fight, a minor 2% of the population will NOT dictate how the rest of us choose to live, or redefine God’s covenant of marriage with their counterfeit . When God changes His mind about this perversion, so will Christians. Until then, keep pressing on to finish the race. God bless you both.

    • MarkOH

      “…a minor 2% of the population will NOT dictate how the rest of us choose to live…”

      Sounds similar to what was said in Nazi Germany. Look what happened there.

      No one is telling you how to live. If you want to continue to hate LGBT people, that is your choice. You just will no longer be allowed to discriminate against them nor deny them equal rights.

      • Rockon

        What are these “rights” you speak of?

        • MarkOH

          1. The rights to marry the person they love
          2. The right to not be fired for how they were born.
          3. The right to not be denied services provided by a public business because of who they are (remember lunch counters in the 50’s?)

          Just for starters.

          • Rockon

            So you think that the legal definition of marriage should apply to adult wants and desires more than the needs of children?

            And if every person already can marry another adult of the opposite sex, how is it about “equality?” If homosexuality is about love between consenting adults and not sex, why can’t any two people who claim to love each other get the same legal marriage benefits that same sex couples will get via legalizing homosexual/genderless “marriage?”

            Not every adult has children, but every child has been born from biological parents, and with single parents, at least there’s a chance that an opposite sex partner can come into the mix and help raise the child.

            The law can be a great teacher, so can you prove without any doubt that making motherhood from women and fatherhood from men optional in the marriage law, thus DELIBERATELY DENYING children one or the other within the law, is what is best for children? Do you believe any law should let people discriminate against a person’s biological sex and do so at
            the expense of children?

          • MarkOH

            We do not deny opposite sex couples the right to marriage if the are infertile or choose not to have children so, yes, marriage is about the adults desires. If my 80 year old mother would wish to marry, I would fight for her ight to do so even though she is unable to bear children any more.
            I care for several same sex families. Their children are no more nor no less well adjusted as my opposite sex families. A stable household is the best determinate of how well children will do.
            So, frankly, your “arguments” about “it’s for the children” are, simply garbage.

          • Rockon

            Infertility doesn’t deliberately deny a child (when adopted) of either a mother or a father.

          • MarkOH

            Suddenly a change. An exception. Is it necessary for a child to have a mother and a father ? (course, we are no longer talking marriage now, we are talking family dynamics).

          • Rockon

            So you believe the marriage law should let people discriminate against a person’s biological sex at the expense of children?

          • MarkOH

            I believe two consenting adults should be allowed to marry.

            And, if it’s all “about the children”, are you working hard to outlaw divorce? I mean, two people breaking up a family at the expense of the children.

          • Rockon

            I’ve been speaking out against no-fault divorce for years now, which removed the presumption of permanence in the marriage law. Divorce is justified (and is so in the Bible) when it comes to proof of adultery, abandonment, and abuse. I also am against the mainstreaming of pornography, which I believe has destroyed countless marriages. I am also against baby murder, which makes children into inconveniences and gives fathers (and mothers). I am also against the extremes the liberal law makers have used the welfare state to garner more votes…as in replacing actual fathers with the government as the “daddy.” Redefining marriage to only about consenting adults will be the nail in the coffin, so to speak. Homosexual activist Masha Gessen (google her name and the word “marriage) and she admit to you what the real intent of the elites are when it comes to family and marriage as an institution.

          • Rockon

            When two women claim they are capable of having the same relationship as a man and woman do, the implication is that every man’s contribution to marriage, and family is replaceable and unnecessary. That is what is REALLY a “WAR ON MEN.” And two men claiming their relationship is just as much a relationship or marriage as a heterosexual committed relationship implicitly dismisses any contribution of every woman, thus also claiming women are inconsequential to relationships, marriage, and family. That is what is
            REALLY a “WAR ON WOMEN.” And both is REAL (gender) discrimination. Also, comparing same sex parenting to single parents is extremely faulty, because (1.) people don’t typically get divorced on purpose and (2.) there is always a chance that an opposite sex parent can come into the mix and help raise the child. With same sex parenting, the child for the lifetime of the relationship and BY DESIGN is always deprived of either a mother or a father. It takes more than just two people loving each other to give the best environment and outcome for a child. Men and women are complimentary opposites psychologically, and parenting is not about what the parents want or about using children as “equality” trophies for a group of people’s particular private bedroom habit, but about what children ultimately need. Therefore, the promotion of same sex “parenting” is what is REALLY a “WAR ON CHILDREN.”
            http://anonymousus.org/index.php?play

          • MarkOH

            Again, marriage has never been based on children. Two people are not denied a marriage license due to infertility. You even mentioned adoption. Same sex couples often adopt, especially children with special needs. Those children have a family. Why is that so bad?

          • Rockon

            Infertility is a medical problem that science and the medical field seeks to correct, not redefine as normal or the same. A man or woman, whether infertile or not, is still a man and a woman. Not every adult has children, but every child has parents. The law shouldn’t make their biological connections optional based on the bedroom habits and romantic attractions of adults. The law should serve to keep the biological connections of parents to their children. A loving mother and father gives a child both the biological connections they inherently deserve and love. Two men may be good loving fathers, but they can never be the mother a female can be. And two women can be good loving mothers, but they can never be the good loving father a man can be.

          • Kyle

            Is menopause a medical problem too? No woman who has gone through menopause is ever going to have a child and yet no one is denying older women their right to marry, unless of course they happen to be lesbian…

          • Republic1776

            it’s probably because marriage is nothing, but the meaning of one man and one woman. This usurpation of the meaning is the problem. It’s like saying the moon is the sun when of course we see in reality it is not. Same goes with so-called “gay-marriage”. No such thing. It’s a counterfeit and always will be no matter how the state tries to define it.

          • Kyle

            Are you seriously comparing the celestial bodies to a societal construct which has in the past included same-sex unions and that has under gone countless changes over human history, not to mention those that have occurred in the last century alone?

          • MarkOH

            So, who defines marriage. You?

          • partiZancritic

            Marriage has always been based on the very strong possibility of there being children. That’s why it has only been between opposite sexes.

          • MarkOH

            Based on your own opinion but not fact.

          • partiZancritic

            No, it is a fact. Check with your historian mate above. But let me give you a head start.
            Some argue that the start of the modern state was enabled by the contractual arrangements introduced by the Egyptians some six thousand years ago to recognize a permanent relationship between a man and a woman. They represented some of the first laws made, and many others followed which grew from them. Like protection, children’s rights, inheritance, the legal requirements for marriage, and so on. The first wedding rings were made of thin strand of rope, to symbolize permanency (round, to indicate an endless cycle). The Greeks borrowed the idea, only they used iron rings. Then the Romans, where they used gold ones.
            there is no historical evidence of marriage being anything else other than between male and female. There were some mimicry, but they never succeeded as social institutions.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, way to pick and choose history. Children HAD no rights in the past (a Roman male could kill his children just because he wanted to). Women were property, unable to act in society without a man (this even extended into the modern era – it’s been less than 50 years since a woman could open a bank account without the consent of her husband). Marriage in the Bible ( I am sure, a favorite reference for you), was one man and MANY wives (not to mention concubines). Oh, and a man could get a wife by raping a woman. And various cultures have recognized marriage as being something other than one man and one woman. Like the modern marriages of same sex couples today, you can refer to it as “mimicry” but it was and IS marriage none the less.

          • Kyle

            Yes that’s why we have never allowed women who have gone through menopause the right to marry… Oh wait… LOL!

          • partiZancritic

            Lol, grow up. All this stuff has been debunked as homosexualist propaganda. More and more people are waking up to it. The Russians, for instance, listened to it, then kicked your lot out. Keep pumping out those misrepresentations and lies. Better still. Why don’t you go back to the draw board and work out a better story on how two men (or two women) can make a baby. Because your current one ain’t working.

          • MarkOH

            Actually, two women CAN make a baby. Already been done. But, again, marriage is about the adults, not the children. Why do haters use “think about the children”? Because LGBT couples usually do not reproduce. But, then, neither do elder couples, or the paralyzed veteran and his wife yet they are allowed to marry.

          • MichaelGC

            “Actually, two women CAN make a baby. Already been done. ”

            Are you saying that one human egg has fertilized another egg and a baby was born?

            Funny, I don’t remember hearing that, and I think something like that would be earth-shaking.

            Do you have a cite for that?

          • Republic1776

            Yeah, anything can be done when it’s done in unnatural way. All your other examples that don’t include child rearing are not based on sexuality, but age or physical disability status. Nothing to do with the natural ingredients required by the two opposite sexes for procreation. This is the norm. Any other example where opposite sex individuals aren’t able to procreate is the exception, not the rule. It’s the rule that 100% to same-sex individuals can not procreate with each other to have children. Place a same-sex couple on a deserted island to start a village and 100% of the time it will die off after the two originals die. It shows how innately it is unnatural and a union that propagates death, not life.

          • Kyle

            Place a man and a woman who has gone through menopause on a desert island to start a village and 100% of the time it will die off after the two originals die, I guess that shows how innately theirs is unnatural of a union that propagates death, not life, right?

          • partiZancritic

            You forgot the bit before the menopause.
            And the perimenopause stage can be unpredictable, lengthy and mistaken for menopause. So in principle there is still a chance, albeit very tine, that the couple can procreate. There is zilch chance for a same sex couple to procreate on your island. Zero, none, nix, Nada.

          • Kyle

            I’m sorry, did I say a woman undergoing menopause or a woman who has gone through menopause?

          • MarkOH

            Exception, exception, exception. It’s ALL about procreation, except when it isn’t. That argument has failed in EVERY court in the land.

          • SandyIam

            It’s not about procreation – it’s about the ABILITY to procreate – in EQUAL populations. Homosexuals ALWAYS have to compare fertile homosexuals with sterile heterosexuals in order to try to win the argument. In contrast, in EVERY case when they try to play on EQUAL fields, the homosexual loses.

          • Kyle

            Funny then how every case since Windsor v. United States has been found in favor of same-sex marriage then isn’t it? But I guess it’s just all those uber-liberal activist G.H.W and G.W federal appointments, Right? Seriously, you fascists just are not fans of reality are y’all?

          • MarkOH

            My sister and husband needed outside help to conceive their son. Thanks for making an exception for them.

            It’s really laughable how antigay people say “marriage HAS to be about procreation” except when it isn’t. The ONLY reason children have been dragge into the marriage debate is because it is the ONLY difference between same sex and opposite sex couples you bigots can hold onto. But, your arguments don’t hold. As it has been shown in COURT after COURT. There is NO compelling reason to deny same sex couples the right to marry. NONE. Their marriages IN NO WAY diminishes any other marriage.

            And aiot know a LOT of opposite sex couples that we could place on a deserted island and 100 % of the time, the village will die off after the originals die off. (for the record, that is the MOST ridiculous argument I have heard for denying your fellow citizens equality)

          • partiZancritic

            Yes, but in principle only a man and a woman can reproduce. Are you saying that’s not true? There are exceptions, to be sure, however in the case of same-sex couples, they are all unable to procreate. Do you see the problem with your argument? Even when they get to have children, they still have to rely on a process that involves a man and a woman to produce each and every child. There is no other way. It may explain why we are referred to as “breeders” by some nice gay people.

          • SandyIam

            Why do homosexuals always have to compare themselves to the “exceptions” and not the norm? Because if you make equal comparisons, you lose. A paralyzed veteran? Really? Is that all you got? You have to compare healthy, virile homosexuals to a sick, frail paralyzed veteran? That’s laughable!

          • Guest

            You are all going to hang at the neck you Nazi maggot.

          • SandyIam

            Ohhhh, Ugghhhhh, ahhhhhh… I’m…I’m quaking in my boots….oh my goodness – biting-my-nails….scared to death….Big bad “guest” making threats…and yet is so cowardly as to not have the courage of his convictions and posting a real name.

            Save it loser. Nature has ALREADY won the war and homosexuals have been on the losing end of that war for eons. Crawl back under that rock you slithered out from under troll.

          • MichaelGC

            1. The rights to marry the person they love

            Where is that enumerated in the U.S. Constitution — oh, yes, under those manifold emanations and penumbras of the 14th. The judges insert what they want, strike out what they don’t like.

            2. The right to not be fired for how they were born.

            ENDA? I wonder, how does an interviewer even know that an applicant is a homosexual so as to discriminate against him?

            One can see that an interviewee is black or white in one glance.

            But how does a potential employer look at someone and know with the same certainty that he or she is gay or straight?

            3. The right to not be denied services provided by a public business because of who they are (remember lunch counters in the 50’s?)

            What restaurant has put up a sign that says “Straights Only?”

          • MarkOH

            1. The rights to marry the person they love.
            Yes, it is in the Constitution as you said.

            2. The right to not be fired for how they were born…
            By illegally asking them. Had a friend recently fired for just that. There are also the stories of teachers being fired, one because she was mentioned in her wife’s mothers obituary.

            3. The right to not be denied services provided …
            All those cases that the right wing love to bring up – bakeries that refuse to work for gay couples, B & B’s that refuse to rent them rooms.

            You can pretend these things don’t exist (just like the good Germans in Nazi Germany) but they are reality.

          • Republic1776

            Many Christians believe they are born that way. Born into a family that by nature opposes things that are seen as immoral and societal corruption. Yet, have lost their jobs, businesses, been killed (by the millions) due to this faithful lifestyle. Not sure how these causes are any different or unique. It’s all propaganda that is not based on equality, but promoting a behavior that in the end will only cause inequality on other’s lives who oppose it. Call it for what it is.

          • MarkOH

            Religion is CHOSEN. Sexual orientation is not. THAT is the difference.

          • SandyIam

            So all homosexuals are raped? They didn’t choose to sodomize one another?

          • SandyIam

            The right to marry isn’t dependent upon “love”. NOBODY has a right solely dependent upon “love”. You must meet a criteria for that ‘right” and that criteria does not include any emotion at all, much less one of “love”. In fact, millions around the world marry someone they have never even met before, much less “love”. In essence, love is irrelevant for the “right” to marry.

            Show ANY proof whatsoever that homosexuality is innate. You can’t. There is none. Until you can show ANY empirical evidence in the slightest that the desire to sodomize men is a natural phenomena, you lose any credibility trying to postulate this absurdity as biological science. In fact, take the case of NBA Player, Jason Collins – who claims a preference for sodomizing men. His Identical twin brother – who shares the same DNA – prefers to engage in true sexual intercourse with women and finds his brother’s perversions sickening. Now…which ‘way” were they born?

            Stop trying to compare your sexual perversion to something as benign as skin color. Even blacks reject this offensive comparison and are quick to remind you that they don’t have to sodomize one another in order to be “black”. Being black is not immoral, dangerous or filthy. If you’re going to make comparisons, compare apples to apples, not apples to lemons.

          • Kyle

            Researchers actually discovered and verified the “gay gene” (Xq28) this week, it’s been kinda all over the news, guess you’ve been living under a rock…

          • SandyIam

            Really?? Um…yeah, me and everybody else must be under a rock because if this were a fact, it would have been shouted from the rooftops in every single media avenue in existence today! It would have stopped the Olympics….it would have preempted every single other news headline of the day! It would have graced the cover of the coveted Journal of American Medical Association! Where are the official endorsements? The Peer Reviewed Bulletins? The documents for public review? The interviews with the “discovering” scientists and doctors and biologists? The R&D data? The Grants and funding data?

            However,… not a SINGLE headline of ANY magazine, newspaper, blog, relevant scientific journals newscast, text book, or even a Magic 8 Ball has revealed any such “gay gene” discovery, much less verified and demonstrated how it survived critical peer review, countless scientific, academic and diverse tests and over-sights, the results of scrutinizing data, blind tests, repeated experiments, the false positive data, international corroboration, full disclosure of successful attempts of reproduction, revelation of the scientific measures of reliability of the data……ad nauseaum.

            How pathetic that you have to resort to lying and manufacturing snake oil to try to argue for your perversions. Really? I’m embarrassed for you….

          • Kyle

            Your ignorance of reality does not change reality. A quick google search will alert you to the fact of Xq28’s verification as the so-called “gay gene”, full page articles on the discovery were printed in the Guardian and the Telegraph to name just two newspapers…

          • SandyIam

            When I see the data published in ANY of these reputable, prestigious medical papers, then I’ll be convinced. Until then, your references that also report alien abductions, don’t quite cut the scientific muster:

            Evolutionary Bioinformatics

            Journal of American Medical Association

            Nature Neuroscience

            Biological Reviews

            Biology Letters

            Biology of Reproduction

            Journal of Human Evolution

            Nature Reviews Neuroscience

            Neural Regeneration Research

            Journal of Natural History

            Journal of Structural Biology

            Journal of Theoretical Biology

            Neurogenetics

            Neuron

            Journal of Neurophysiology

            Genetics

            Genome Biology

            Genome Research

            Heredity

            International Journal of Biological Sciences

            Journal of Neuroscience

          • Kyle

            Why are you so afraid that the so-called “gay gene” was discovered?

            Why does it matter so very much to you anti-gay fascists that homosexuality is a choice? What does it matter even if it was, even though it clearly isn’t (Xq28)? Shouldn’t someone in a free society be free to choose homosexuality or heterosexuality without fear of discrimination and legal disadvantage? I guess not, after all freedom is anathema to everything you actually fascists believe in…

          • RJLigier

            ROFLMAO…………….replicable, empirical science is your friend. We’ll be waiting……………..

      • MichaelGC

        “Sounds similar to what was said in Nazi Germany. Look what happened there.”

        Yes, look what happened there. A radical splinter group seized power and killed a lot of people. That’s what I think about now when observing the thuggery, the manipulation, and the grab for raw power under the auspices of “civil rights.”

        Yes, this is a lot like 1930s Germany, and anyone opposing the LGBTist movement gets smears and death threats, just like the one that was lodged against Scott Lively by some goon in this forum.

        • MarkOH

          LOL, I love when bullies assume the victim roll. So the Jews were really trying to take over Germany or were they only asking to be treated like everyone else?

          Let’s see: Lively and his ilk are trying to paint LGBT as evil and subhuman. What the Germans did to Jews.

          Lively advocates for the imprisonment and death penalty for LGBT What the Germans did to Jews.

          Anti-gay groups start playing the victim to gain sympathy. What the Germans did to down play Jews concerns.

          The LGBT activists merely want equality and are not advocating for the death of those who disagree. Like the Jews were asking Germans.

          Yup, just like 1930’s.

          (and, to take a technique from Lively, HE probably posted that threat to gain sympathy.)

          • SandyIam

            The victim “roll”? Ummm, sounds good! Can I have mine with butter and jelly please?

          • RJLigier

            Love when borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals, the most violent among us, engage in histrionic and passive-aggressive behavior. ROFLMAO…………..Putin and the European Court of Human Rights have their number………………

    • Kyle

      When, pray tell, did your God change his mind about slavery?

      • William Dedee

        What does slavery have to do with this topic? Do not go mixing apples and oranges to justify your patronage of this perversion, it won’t hold water with me.

        • Kyle

          You decided to bring up your deities decisions and personal whims as a basis for our secular civil law, so I ask you again, when pray tell did your God change his mind on the issue of human slavery?

          • MichaelGC

            Considering the scores of millions of humans that have been enslaved and methodically butchered under “secular civil law” in just the last century alone , what exactly does “secular civil law” have to brag about?

          • Kyle

            And to which “secular civil law” would you be refering? ideologically and politically driven communism or religiously and politically driven fascism? Nether are actually examples of secular civil law and one has extremely close and uncomfortable ties to Christianity. Perhaps you should give the “great” reformer Martin Luther’s “On the Jews and Their Lies” a quick read…

          • partiZancritic

            He didn’t change His mind. He never approved of it. In effect He said, if you must do it, at least be decent to them, treat them with dignity and free them after a set length of time.

          • Kyle

            He never disproved of it in effect either and that makes him far more immoral than you, even a child can tell that human slavery is a great and terrible evil and yet your supposedly omni-benevolent God cannot?

        • Kyle

          Also just as a side note, I’m not a homosexual, so sorry to disappoint you…

          • MarkOH

            Sigh, Kyle. Anyone who celebrates diversity are gay in their eyes. It’s really sad.

          • partiZancritic

            But you are a homosexualist? Think of radical feminists – there actually quite a few guys who identify themselves as ‘feminists’.

          • Kyle

            A “Homosexualist” is not a thing, it has all the political validity as if you were to call me an “elder of Zion” if I was in favor of equal rights for Jewish people, I’m anti-fascist and pro-freedom, unlike you.

          • SandyIam

            You mean like the non-word “homophobia”?

          • Kyle

            You mean that “non-word” that’s actually in the dictionary? Sure thing… I prefer anti-gay fascist though, it’s a better descriptor of what y’all really represent.

          • SandyIam

            So are the words “ginormous” and “ain’t”. That doesn’t make them legitimate words, that simply means they’re used a lot in speech. A dictionary doesn’t codify words into the English language nor their meanings, it simply defines them for the reader.

          • Kyle

            Doesn’t common usage confer linguistic legitimacy? But hey if it makes you feel any better just call yourself an anti-gay fascist instead… It’s far more accurate anyway.

          • MarkOH

            Do you even know what that word means? Because from your posts, it isn’t apparent.

          • thisoldspouse

            Do you find being mistaken for a homosexual demeaning?

          • Kyle

            Nope, I do not.

          • thisoldspouse

            Okay, then can I continue to think of you as a covert homosexual? No one who isn’t disgusted by that act can be entirely “straight.”

          • Kyle

            If that makes you feel better go for it. You’ve certainly given it a great deal of thought. Lol!

      • partiZancritic

        Since the beginning, actually. Slavery is a human institution. You need to learn more about the Bible, before you jump in to judge it. There are three different forms of law outlined in it. Go and google it. Actually use ixquick, it’s much better.

        • Kyle

          A God that chooses to regulate the institution of human slavery rather than clearly denounce it as the great and terrible evil that it is, is not a moral being in the slightest… If you cannot see that then I feel very sorry for you.

          And Google is unmatched as far as search indexing is concerned.

        • MarkOH

          I love how people who claim homosexuality is against God’s law can INTERPRET the verses (and there are a LOT of them) condoning slavery. Oh, it’s not SLAVERY, it’s INDENTURED SERVANTS. But when the Bible says “homosexual” (a word that wasn’t around at the time of the writing of said book), it is exact. Hypocrites.

          • Rockon

            Sodomy was the term for homosexuality used in the Bible since by design homosexual acts are sterile. It wasn’t until the 1920s the Bible editions started replacing the word sodomy with homosexual. The terms “homosexual” and “heterosexual” was started by a homosexual activist in Germany kn the 1860s (Karl Kertberny) who was a travel writer by profession. He had no professional background in any science field. The “homosexual” and “heterosexual” dichotomy are fictional socio-political terms that was used to invent another; “sexual orientation.” These are now used to promote pseudo-science from homosexual activists like the APA whose board of directors is run by a homosexual activist caucus called the AGLP. Study the history and timeline of the homophile movement as a political movement, their association with the Communist party, and how they started the so-called “sexology” field in Germany just as the Nazi regime came to power. The very first homosexual activist group in the US was a Communist organization called the Mattachine Society. They are the ones who targeted Hollywood and mainstream psychiatry in order to start the subversive process. And there’s also this too…
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/alfred-kinsey-and-sexual-anarchy-in-america-content-warning/

    • Guest

      And you deserve to hang at the neck with them and you will.

      • RJLigier

        Another borderline psychotic homosexual wishing ill will on others. At least he isn’t making threats to physical harm or death threats as is customary with borderline psychotic homosexuals and bisexuals, the most violent among us.

      • thisoldspouse

        Come and get us. We have lots of “icky” guns.

  • Rockon

    Ever wonder why Russia is the focus of the mainstream homominion media for passing a law that places homosexual behavior on par with the laws and regulations we have here when it comes to smoking cigarettes? Especially when Islamic countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, etc basically hang or place people in front of the firing squad if they’re even suspected of engaging in homosexual sex. Again, keep in mind, that the Russian law is the equivalent to our laws and regulations concerning smoking, and the toughest fines are directed toward foreign media that promotes homosexual behavior within the Russian country.
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/stop-the-gay-rights-charade-russia-is-only-protecting-its-children

  • partiZancritic

    I rather doubt that’s a true story, homer. If it is, then the killer deserves the harshest punishment. However, like Dr Lively points out (with numerous examples to back his points up), most of the ‘victimhood’ narratives are made up. Dr Lively has provided proof, hows about you do as well? Else go and eat some worms.

    • MarkOH

      The evilness in some of the posters on this site are amazing. If anyone says that a friend was shot in the head, there should be true concern. But your hatred and ignorance blinds you to empathy.

      • partiZancritic

        But he didn’t merely say it – he said it in the context of this thread, under what Dr Lively wrote. In other words, he just ‘happened’ to be visiting this thread. And he just ‘happened’ to be in the company of a company of homosexualist troupe. Which just ‘happen’ to be outraged at anyone who simply observes that the story just seems to convenient. What are the odds? You claim that you’re a scientist, do some stats and tell us the odds.
        But I am curious. In view of your disgust at my postings and those of others, why are you still here? The magic didn’t work? Try again, wave your wand a bit more – “poof”!

        • MarkOH

          Most posters are not trolls like you. And, I still get a feeling you are Matt in disguise.

          • partiZancritic

            I am the troll? lol
            I am not Matt, sorry to disappoint you. I do, however, know a bit about the tactics people like you employ.

          • MarkOH

            Prove it.

          • partiZancritic

            It self-evident, my dear chap. To not see it, is to admit an impaired capacity to reason.

          • MarkOH

            Gee, since everything with you is proof (and you even deny facts if it goes against your bigotry), it’s HARDLY self evident.

    • HomerTh

      Oh you doubt it is true? You didn’t have to call up his friends and tell them Philip was murdered. Ever had to do something like that? Let me tell you, it is an awful experience.

      • partiZancritic

        Well, you see, it’s like this. I don’t know you. I am merely reading a claim you make here. You are condemning Dr Lively, and you do so by resorting to the very thing he has critiqued. Which is the panache for portraying victimhood you people have become so great at. It is a strategy that is oft employed to try to silence any criticism leveled against your stuff, to the extent that it is becoming tiresome. No, you can’t say it over and over that I am heartless, or callous. You need to provide some sort of evidence for such a significant claim. Just because I don’t automatically join the chorus of political bawling behind you doesn’t automatically make me a heartless person.

        Sorry, but your power play has failed.

        • HomerTh

          Actually, I really don’t care what you think. It is rather clear that you are anti-gay.

          You want a document case- here’s one that is famous here in Tucson. In 1976 four teenagers beat to death a 135-pound young man outside a gay bar. The judge let them off on probation because their “sincere remorse” was sufficient punishment. The article appears in the Tucson Citizen, 7 June 1976, page 1. The verdict in the same newspaper 21 October 1976, page 1.

          A search of Newspaperarchive and genealogybank- websites that have scanned in millions of pages of newspapers, turns up dozens of accounts of LGBT murdered by people that targeted them specifically because they were gay.

          It is really hard to create a “hoax” when the victim is murdered, no matter what Lively claims.

          • partiZancritic

            I am not ‘anti-gay’. I am against homosexualist propaganda. I have been researching it for years, I am very well informed about the tactics it employs. Of course there have been some horrendous things done to gays during the past fifty years or so, and they are despicable. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t question homosexualism, which is activism that has set out to destroy heteronormativity, rather than co-exist with it. Murders are murders, but you can’t use them to screen despicable homosexualist propaganda. In itself, that is a terrible thing to do. If you are asking the heterosexual world to account for things which have been committed by them against homosexuals, then why do you get all aggravated when you are asked to reciprocate, and take responsibility for what you have done, and continue to do? Dr Lively has enumerated quite afew cases of homosexualist acts which rely on misrepresentations and lying. Each and every one is well documented. Why don’t you address this? Why do you instead have to push your story just here, just now?

          • HomerTh

            Gosh. “Homosexualist propaganda.” Today I went to work at the company I have worked for for 22 years. Everyone there knows I am gay. When I passed around the marriage petition earlier this year, every single one of my co-workers (all 37 or so) asked to sign it. I spent some time today arranging the annual meeting of the non-profit I am Recording Secretary for. All of the other board members, even the 80-year olds, signed that petition too. After work I came home and made my 82-year-old mother supper and fed the stray dog I adopted. My mother is a life-long Republican who has decided she is through with the party. Last election she voted straight Democratic ticket- all because the Republicans can’t shut up about how evil people like me are. Tonight I am researching the family history of the legally married same sex spouse of a good friend.

            That is today’s homosexualist propoganda agenda or whatever stupid phrase you want to make up.

            I feel sorry for you. So obsessed with gay stuff that you spend “years researching” it. And for what purpose? I mentioned to some straight friends how you are implying I am a liar. They all laughed, knowing that my job as a historian requires me to tell the truth, no matter how unpleasant it is.

            Not going to bother responding again. I’ve got some interesting genealogical problems to solve.

          • partiZancritic

            Good luck with it all. It sounds like you’re so deprived and oppressed.

            Interestingly, after all these words, shaped in some strange and out of context victim narrative, there still was no evidence forthcoming to support your original story. That, my good fellow, is the truth for all to see. As a ‘historian’, you ought to know better. No?

            Would your friends like to read ‘After the ball’, by Kirk and Madsen? I hope they get to read this here, and source this book (published in 1989). Makes for some very instructive reading. It would also help put your behavior here in context and explain the conduct of the few that have jammed this page.

          • MarkOH

            “I am not ‘anti-gay’.”

            Another lie. Everything you have posted shows your hatred.

          • partiZancritic

            Like what?

            Just understand that some people will not be intimidated by your baseless accusations. I will not be silenced by you or anyone else.

          • MarkOH

            Please, I am not trying to silence you at all! Your obvious hatred and lack of any decency is good evidence of the vitriol of the anti-gay bigots.

        • HomerTh

          I have contacted the Dallas Public Library for a copy of the newspaper article discussing the murder.

    • Lightning Baltimore

      Good lord, what a callous thing to say!

      • partiZancritic

        Well, I once had a colleague at work driven to try suicide because the homosexual manager disliked her merely for being a Christian. Bullied her (and others) for three years. She’s still trying to recover from it, and is out of a job. So don’t give me the victim stuff. Just show me the proof, because I don’t trust anything you homosexualists say. Sorry, too many lies, it’s your own doing.

        • MarkOH

          Sorry. I don’t believe this story. Do you have proof?

          • partiZancritic

            Sarcasm went over your head again, eh? That’s the point. I made the comment to demonstrate that I don’t need your endorsement, nor is there an expectation for you to behave ‘appropriately’ (as I define the term).
            I couldn’t give two hoots what you believe, it is not important. What is important is to demonstrate, once again, who you people are. Thanks for helping out.

          • MarkOH

            Ah, so you were lying to prove a point the gays lie.

          • partiZancritic

            No lie. But it’s not important to me whether you believe it or not. You can think of it and call it whatever you like. I am sure you value this freedom, even while at the same time you call others names if they happen to exercise it.

          • MarkOH

            You told a story of a colleague who was abused. And then you said it was sarcasm. So, it was a lie. But, of course, everything you post here is a lie so I really wasn’t surprised. If you thought it was sarcasm, perhaps you should look up the definition because I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word.

          • partiZancritic

            I don’t need to use lies, sarcasm doesn’t necessarily equate lying. Maybe in your twisted reality it does, but not in mine. Maybe time you found a better dictionary?

          • MarkOH

            Doesn’t seem like anyone else thought it was sarcasm. They thought it was just a lie as well.

          • partiZancritic

            By ‘everyone else’ you mean the other homosexualist currently on, I take it?

          • MarkOH

            Don’t see anyone saying it was sarcasm. Except for you.

            Oh, and name calling makes you really look pathetic.

          • partiZancritic

            What name calling? You and the other person are undertaking activism here, so you’re homosexualists. I would’ve thought you’d proudly own the label. Or are you ashamed to be identified as activists?

          • MarkOH

            OMG! It is LAUGHABLE how you can contradict yourself in a single posting! As Bugs Bunny would say “What a maroon”.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Oh, so your story was a lie? Well, mine was true. My friend was a sweet guy who was targeted because he was gay. Pity you think lying about something awful gives you license to accuse others of lying, too.

          • partiZancritic

            If you read the transcript here carefully, the lies seem to be all yours.

            I didn’t accuse him of lying, I merely said that I don’t believe the story because homosexualism uses lies as a principal strategy.

            I told a true story. What I also said is that it doesn’t matter to me whether you or anyone else here believes it is true or not. You chose to label my story a lie, which is also of no importance to me, except that it adds further support to my argument. Let me repeat the crux of it once more: I don’t need to prove anything to you, because I didn’t use my story for the purpose of portraying myself as a victim so that I can muzzle others. I need not position myself as ‘righteous'; I need not lie, it would be too difficult to manage it anyway – just look at your lot here; I merely need to ask and probe. It appears you hate this.

            I’ll leave others to judge for themselves. It’s all here to follow up (providing the moderators leave it as it is).

            Lastly. Understand this. No matter how often you label a thing something it is not, it actually doesn’t make it so.

          • MarkOH

            “I’ll leave others to judge for themselves”

            HA. That will be the day!

        • Lightning Baltimore

          Well, I once had a friend robbed, beaten and run over with a car; he was targeted because he was gay. Last I knew, he was in a wheelchair for life. So don’t give me the victim stuff. Just show me the proof, because I don’t trust anything you say. Sorry, too many lies, it’s your own doing.

          • partiZancritic

            The originality is just simply stunning, What can one say. Only that all it remains for you to do is to get Mark, he’s got the wand, and can do the magic in which you can do your finale vanishing act – “poof”!
            Can’t wait, the show is getting quite boring, lol.

          • Lightning Baltimore

            Ah, so you noticed I used the exact same sort of anecdotal evidence to condemn you as you use to condemn all homosexuals. So you’re catching on that your arguments are ludicrous and ineffectual. Mazel tov!

          • partiZancritic

            Lol. No. It isn’t original for you to repeat what I said as if it is going to ‘show me’ the error of my way. The difference still escapes you, though it’s getting comical when you people try to be patronizing. As I said to mark, I don’t care whether you think what I related is anecdotal or not, the point which I demonstrated by introducing it is that homosexualists can be so pathetically hypocritical. Unlike you, I don’t need you to believe what I shared, I am not here to manipulate you by demanding that you respond in a particular way, which just happens to position me as the victim. I am here to expose the real haters and bullies. Thanks for helping..

          • Lightning Baltimore

            The more you write, the more you sound like a bully. You’re welcome.

  • partiZancritic

    Don’t worry what these few homosexualists have to say here. I enjoy reading your blog.

    • mantronikk

      Thank you.

      • MarkOH

        I noticed you haven’t taken done any of the lies like you promised.

  • partiZancritic

    Hey PolishBear. Are you a Goldilocks?

  • partiZancritic

    Can the moderators get rid of this condescending racist, please?

  • William Dedee

    My question is how did the gunman know the sexual preference of the deceased in the first place? When you figure that one out, then that might give you a clue why he was attacked in the first place.

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  • JudgeRight

    Great article. Bold and factual. Thank you for exposing evil pretending to be innocence.

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  • thisoldspouse

    I watched the video, and the staged preparation, the really bad acting was obvious. Don’t forget to always face the camera, which view is NEVER obstructed by a bystander, and please act obviously “confused” when someone approaches you in a threatening manner.

    I thought homosexuals were supposed to be better at theater than this?

  • thisoldspouse

    Hearing the deafening screeches of the homosexualists here and elsewhere Scott Lively is even mentioned, he must be the most powerful man in the universe. I’m impressed! Able to move entire nations with a single speech! More powerful than an accusation of “homophobe.” Where did he get this power? Karl Rove?

    If, indeed, those with a Christian worldview are a shrinking, dying, gasping endangered species, as we’re constantly told by the Moral Superiors, then they have nothing to worry about. But they act anything like that’s the truth.

  • thisoldspouse

    Video no longer available. Must have been exposed as a hoax.

  • thisoldspouse

    How would a stranger know that your friend was “gay?”

    • HomerTh

      They keep deleting comments. Philip lived in a gay neighborhood of Dallas.

      • thisoldspouse

        You’ve already indicated in another post that the motive was almost certainly robbery. Why keep casting this as a “hate crime” attack, then?

        You almost seem to be using the death of your friend as currency to further an agenda.

        • HomerTh

          Not interested in your blathering. My friend died. The guys robbing him called him a “faggot” as he was bleeding from a gunshot wound in the head. Scott Lively thinks that gay assaults and murders are a hoax. The reality, some are faked- just like people lie about being raped, robbed, and other things to get attention. The majority of hate crimes are real. Lots of people are targeted specifically because they are LGBT. The people who killed Philip were waiting for a gay person to attack. The end.

  • thisoldspouse

    Well, it certainly isn’t “burning down churches,” is it?

  • thisoldspouse

    The question ought to be, “who would Jesus hoax crime?”

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